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It's getting into a serious problem now. Kids as young as 10 are binge drinking illegally, taking alcahol to get drunk instead of enjoying it. I enjoy a beer or glass of wine with my meal, but some guys are going out all night and drinking until they puch their best mate in their face. All the other Europeans can drink sensibly, so why can't the English?

Where do you guys think that we're heading with this alcahol problem, and what do you think about this demand by the EU to convert to full metric by 2010? A half litre of beer? I think not.

A half litre of beer? I think not.
I think this is the most important issue to tackle in that prose. I will only accept EU metric if each pint is exactly 568ml of beer.

I think this is the most important issue to tackle in that prose. I will only accept EU metric if each pint is exactly 568ml of beer.

Haha, try saying that after a few glasses.

This seems to be a Western problem. All the poor folk seem to know how to get drunk in decency. Viva La America Latina!!!!

It's getting into a serious problem now. Kids as young as 10 are binge drinking illegally, taking alcahol to get drunk instead of enjoying it. I enjoy a beer or glass of wine with my meal, but some guys are going out all night and drinking until they puch their best mate in their face. All the other Europeans can drink sensibly, so why can't the English?

Where do you guys think that we're heading with this alcahol problem, and what do you think about this demand by the EU to convert to full metric by 2010? A half litre of beer? I think not.

Ban alchohol.

Ban alchohol.
Whoa there - lets not go gettin' all hasty and losin' our heads here!

Ban alchohol.

Didn't we try that once? At least in America.

And what about he rest of us, such as myself, who know how to drink responsibly.

what's wrong with calling it "half liters" ?

Ban alchohol.
Ban people who want to ban alcohol!

what's wrong with calling it "half liters" ?
Because a pint is not a half litre.

what's wrong with calling it "half liters" ?
"Pint of Guiness"

"Half litre of Guiness"

Which sounds better?

Ban alchohol.

Ban people who can't spell alcohol!

I don't have a solution. I just think it's funny to picture 10 year olds getting drunk and beating each other up on the playground.

Didn't we try that once? At least in America.

And what about he rest of us, such as myself, who know how to drink responsibly.

But if you ban alcohol then nobody could get ahold of it. Then there wouldn't be any drunken fights or "Kids as young as 10 binge drinking" or drunken driving. Eurasia and Oceana has stated that the Brits can't hold their alcohol so it would be in everybodys best interest to ban it.

Besides, you don't really need alcohol.

But if you ban alcohol then nobody could get ahold of it.
Read into prohibition in the US.

It didn't stop people getting alcohol, it just meant that organised crime sold it and made alot of money from it.

Read into prohibition in the US.

It didn't stop people getting alcohol, it just meant that organised crime sold it and made alot of money from it.

What!? You mean that criminals don't follow the law and it would be available anyway?

Maybe people should have to prove that they can drink responsibly before being allowed to have any.

Ban alchohol.
He's right! We don't need alchohol. Hell, I've never had this alchohol.


I mean the existance of this alchohol, confuses people... Alcohol was there first. We don't need alchohol in the mix misleading people who want alcohol.

But if you ban alcohol then nobody could get ahold of it. Then there wouldn't be any drunken fights or "Kids as young as 10 binge drinking" or drunken driving. Eurasia and Oceana has stated that the Brits can't hold their alcohol so it would be in everybodys best interest to ban it.

Besides, you don't really need alcohol.

Hey, I'm not saying ban alcahol. Don't let them spoil it for the rest of us. Half of Brits can drink responsable, we just need to control the amounts the other half can consume.

It's getting into a serious problem now. Kids as young as 10 are binge drinking illegally, taking alcahol to get drunk instead of enjoying it. I enjoy a beer or glass of wine with my meal, but some guys are going out all night and drinking until they puch their best mate in their face. All the other Europeans can drink sensibly, so why can't the English?

Where do you guys think that we're heading with this alcahol problem, and what do you think about this demand by the EU to convert to full metric by 2010? A half litre of beer? I think not.

I don't think that ALL Europeans can drink sensibly. It seems to be us Northern Europeans that have issues.... Scandinavians are not the best with our attitudes to drink. Booze is still treated a bit like a forbidden fruit (one word: Systembolaget!!).

But if you ban alcohol then nobody could get ahold of it. Then there wouldn't be any drunken fights or "Kids as young as 10 binge drinking" or drunken driving. Eurasia and Oceana has stated that the Brits can't hold their alcohol so it would be in everybodys best interest to ban it.

Besides, you don't really need alcohol.

True, but you don't need double cheesebugers either. And they keep causing obesity and other health problems. Where do we draw the line?

Hey, I'm not saying ban alcahol. Don't let them spoil it for the rest of us. Half of Brits can drink responsable, we just need to control the amounts the other half can consume.
That's a very dangerous idea.

Hey, I'm not saying ban alcahol. Don't let them spoil it for the rest of us. Half of Brits can drink responsable, we just need to control the amounts the other half can consume.

But until they get drunk, you don't know who is responsible and who isn't. Wouldn't it be better for everyone if people weren't allowed to drink at all or to have it severely restricted?

But until they get drunk, you don't know who is responsible and who isn't. Wouldn't it be better for everyone if people weren't allowed to drink at all or to have it severely restricted?

But that would be against our basic rights. Alcahol is as much as part of British culture as the gun is in American society.
Honestly, Kecibukia, a hypocrite?

The health issues around alcohol are bound to be explored at some point in this thread, and prohibition has already been mentioned. So, as someone whose environment virtually predisposes them to become an alcoholic, I shall say this - some alcohol can be beneficial to long term health.

But until they get drunk, you don't know who is responsible and who isn't. Wouldn't it be better for everyone if people weren't allowed to drink at all or to have it severely restricted?
No, because organised crime would have a field day, like they do with illegal drugs.

And if people want to go and get pissed all the time then that's their choice.

Yeah that’s right ban alcohol, oh yeah and while we are at it ban anything else that causes a problem. erm... not a well thought out plan there

Banning things has no effect we have banned drugs but we still as a country have a drug problem.

If a child of 10 is able to get hold of alcohol lets just think who is actually responsible.

1. The person selling it and/or buying it for them
2. The parents

It would have been imposable for me to get drunk at 10 even if I wanted to. First nobody in their right mind would buy alcohol for me at that age. Also my parents knew where I was and even when they didn't I had to go home at some point and face the music at some point.

So, if we take one step back, both parents and shop keepers and consumers need to be responsible. So who governs these people ...Ah yes the Government so the government needs to sort the problem but hang on who elects the government.. OH yes that would be us.....;.. So ban the public

Yeah that’s it ban us!!!......... erm I think

Another problem sorted..... Wow I am good

Alcohol isnt the problem, its the people drinking it. If alcolhol was banned the ones who start fights and stuff when theyre drunk would still be stupid wankers, but without alcohol there would be know way to identify and eliminate them.

Italy and france have more relaxed drinking laws than Britain and they dont have this kind of trouble. And in places like Poland and Russia everyone is drunk all the time. Beer isnt even regarded as a proper drink in those places, its only drunk by kids or recovering alcoholics.

The problem should be dealt with the same way as the drug problem. If someone wants to get drunk or highm fine. If they want to get so drunk they slip into a coma, or want to become hopelessly addicted to heroin, fine. But of they attack someone while drunk, or start robbing people to fund their drug habit, shoot them. On the spot. Give it a week, not only would violent crime be virtually eliminated, but binge drinking wouldnt be a problem anymore.

In any case...holding your alcohol is hardly the point, is it...I mean...you'd die if you did that. Tycho Brahe did....yeah, I know that's been kind of disproven, but hush you! :eek:

I think if I couldn't drink myself in to a stupor every night, I wouldn't see much to living. Drinking casually and responsibley is good, it can be enjoyable and relaxing. But I also find I can't function properly without a bit of alcohol, and I can't sleep unless I'm too drunk to stand up anyway. No matter how drunk I may be though, I'm not punching anyone in the face or being obnoxious. A ban on alcohol would be terribley depressing for me.

But that would be against our basic rights. Alcahol is as much as part of British culture as the gun is in American society.
Honestly, Kecibukia, a hypocrite?

Not at all. I don't in any way endorse the banning of alcohol. You, however, have stated that half of the people are irresponsible w/ alcohol :

"Don't let them spoil it for the rest of us. Half of Brits can drink responsable, we just need to control the amounts the other half can consume."

but are against banning it while less than 1% of people are irresponsible w/ firearms yet you endorse banning those.

Look at the statements I made and the responses to them then replace alcohol w/ firearms.

Because a pint is not a half litre.
More importantly, half a litre is less than a pint.

But if you ban alcohol then nobody could get ahold of it. Then there wouldn't be any drunken fights or "Kids as young as 10 binge drinking" or drunken driving. Eurasia and Oceana has stated that the Brits can't hold their alcohol so it would be in everybodys best interest to ban it.

Besides, you don't really need alcohol.

I sense a veiled inference here... **Chuckles**

EDIT: Eurasia finally caught on to what you were doing. heh

More importantly, half a litre is less than a pint.


It also costs less.

Perhaps that's the answer to the problem though. Change measures to metric, charge the same and people will think that they are getting the same, while all the time they are drinking less and hence reducing the average amount of alcohol consumed.


Plus, you could get Litres as well as half-litres! Oktoberfest here we come!

Perhaps that's the answer to the problem though. Change measures to metric, charge the same and people will think that they are getting the same, while all the time they are drinking less and hence reducing the average amount of alcohol consumed.

As someone who does actually tip barstaff, do I thus have the right to tip them approximately 11% less in this scenario?

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Perhaps that's the answer to the problem though. Change measures to metric, charge the same and people will think that they are getting the same, while all the time they are drinking less and hence reducing the average amount of alcohol consumed.
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I suspect the UK drinks industry may be ahead of you on that one.

Plus, you could get Litres as well as half-litres! Oktoberfest here we come!
Or you could just use a quart pot like I do at home. However, I don't think that English bars will begin to sell litre beers if they do not generally sell quarts of beer now.

Or you could just use a quart pot like I do at home. However, I don't think that English bars will begin to sell litre beers if they do not generally sell quarts of beer now.


I'm soooo gonna get you liquored up one day. ;)

As someone who does actually tip barstaff, do I thus have the right to tip them approximately 11% less in this scenario?

err....Whatever you want mate. Presumably if the prices were less (ok, this isn't going to happen, but still) then the tip, being a % would be less. But, it's not as if the barstaff would be responsible for the reduction in the amount you recieve. It would be the government or the drinks company. Strange person.

You're not from the UK are you? I don't know anyone that tips barstaff, unless they were bringing it to your table for you.

Not at all. I don't in any way endorse the banning of alcohol. You, however, have stated that half of the people are irresponsible w/ alcohol :

"Don't let them spoil it for the rest of us. Half of Brits can drink responsable, we just need to control the amounts the other half can consume."

but are against banning it while less than 1% of people are irresponsible w/ firearms yet you endorse banning those.

Look at the statements I made and the responses to them then replace alcohol w/ firearms.

Haha, brilliant. That's one in the eye for the baninators.

You're not from the UK are you? I don't know anyone that tips barstaff, unless they were bringing it to your table for you.

I am from the UK. Have you never seen a tips jar behind a bar? I am not the only person that tips - although often it just comes out as a case of them keeping the change.

EDIT: If nothing else, it means that you often get served faster when you go back to the bar.

I think this is the most important issue to tackle in that prose. I will only accept EU metric if each pint is exactly 568ml of beer.

What about a nice metric round number such as 570ml?

Anyway, they could try some measure as done with tobacco, such as raising the minimum price of a "serving", so that quality beer for social drinking is still available (and with about the same price as before), while cheap alcoolic beer^Wpiss used by young people to get drunk becomes not-so-cheap, and thus not so easily available, or at least not so often.

Haha, brilliant. That's one in the eye for the baninators.
And thus the thread dies from Logic.

Good on ya Kecibukia! :D Logic foils Nannyisim again!

What!? You mean that criminals don't follow the law and it would be available anyway?

Maybe people should have to prove that they can drink responsibly before being allowed to have any.
Yeah, like a drinking permit. Get soused and make an ass of yourself and you face a suspension of revokation of your permit. Now, for a way to enforce it.

your countrymen certainly cant...you just have to visit the Algarve in the Summer and watch hordes of Britons binge-drinking and then causing general mayheem...still, its partially the bars´s owners fault that are always looking to make a quick euro.

your countrymen certainly cant...you just have to visit the Algarve in the Summer and watch hordes of Britons binge-drinking and then causing general mayheem...still, its partially the bars´s owners fault that are always looking to make a quick euro. Effing chavs. Can't stand the buggers, and loads of the binge drinkers have no excuse, being from middle-class backgrounds and all. Maybe public floggings… I don't know, have a look at the rest of Europe, they don't have a problem like we do.

Effing chavs. Can't stand the buggers, and loads of the binge drinkers have no excuse, being from middle-class backgrounds and all. Maybe public floggings… I don't know, have a look at the rest of Europe, they don't have a problem like we do.
I blame it on the streotyped repressive british public schools...all those scoldings and authoritarism from the headmasters had to lead to this disordered borderline personalities.. ;)

But if you ban alcohol then nobody could get ahold of it. Then there wouldn't be any drunken fights or "Kids as young as 10 binge drinking" or drunken driving. Eurasia and Oceana has stated that the Brits can't hold their alcohol so it would be in everybodys best interest to ban it.

Besides, you don't really need alcohol.


Your right. We brits cant hold our alcohol. we prefer to consume it.

we dont care though.

I will only adress the metric issue. A half liter just isn't right, a pint is enough of a drink and sits well, a half liter is just not quite enough, requiring the patron to have another half liter to satisfy them - and once you've had two half liters you've gone from "stopping off for a pint" to "making a night of it", this will result in an dramatic increase in heavy drinking among Britons. This phenomena can be observed in the US and Canada where marketers have cleverly managed to make the 3/4th of pint the "standard", forcing people to order at least two 3/4 pints to satisfy them and starting them on the road to a night of drinking. The half-liter is evil, one can either forgo the satisfaction of one's pint or start on the path to alcoholic dissolution.

Your right. We brits cant hold our alcohol. we prefer to consume it.

we dont care though.

Cool.. Just don't drop it. That's REAL alcohol abuse. :)

"And in places like Poland and Russia everyone is drunk all the time. Beer isnt even regarded as a proper drink in those places, its only drunk by kids or recovering alcoholics."

Hahah, priceless!
What kind of baseless racial stereotype is that? At least its not a negative one :P as a Slav myself I couldnt help but smile. But were not all massive drinkers who shout "back in Old Country river run with wodka".
As for the beer comment - one of the more popular drinks in Russia is Baltika - a lager brewed in St. Petersburg.

There would be little drunkeness if two basic laws were followed.

The first is you can't serve someone if they are drunk. How mnay time have you gon into a bar and a guy who can't really stand is served another drink? :rolleyes:

The second is that you need ID to buy alcohol, simple if you can't provide the ID you don't ge tthe booze.

Cool.. Just don't drop it. That's REAL alcohol abuse. :)
well if we were pissed enough we'd probably start uncontrollably crying if we dropped it... if we werent so pissed but broke in the wallet region some of the more "hardXXXcore" of us would try and lick it off the floor

yep. thats how screwed up we are.

Banning alcohol would not be a good idea in the city of my birth, Newcastle Upon Tyne. The famous Brown Ale would be missed by many.

It's getting into a serious problem now. Kids as young as 10 are binge drinking illegally, taking alcahol to get drunk instead of enjoying it. I enjoy a beer or glass of wine with my meal, but some guys are going out all night and drinking until they puch their best mate in their face. All the other Europeans can drink sensibly, so why can't the English?

Where do you guys think that we're heading with this alcahol problem, and what do you think about this demand by the EU to convert to full metric by 2010? A half litre of beer? I think not.

have you ever seen a norweigen drink? seriously, they get so off their face it is unbelievable.

It's getting into a serious problem now. Kids as young as 10 are binge drinking illegally, taking alcahol to get drunk instead of enjoying it. I enjoy a beer or glass of wine with my meal, but some guys are going out all night and drinking until they puch their best mate in their face. All the other Europeans can drink sensibly, so why can't the English?

Where do you guys think that we're heading with this alcahol problem, and what do you think about this demand by the EU to convert to full metric by 2010? A half litre of beer? I think not.
It's not just the Brits. It's everywhere in the areas where the traditional drink was mead. In the south, wine was easy to make, and it didn't go bad, because of its high alcohol content. Mead had to be drank "fresh", because it didn't keep. So, people prepared mead for big events and then got Scheiße-faced. The tradition carries on even if better-preserving drinks such as wine and distilled alcohol are available.

This country is 100% metric and you can get a pint from the pub, or even pint beer cans. What metric measurement means that you MUST give the centiliter figure (56,8 cl) if you sell any food or drink, irrespective of that same figure magically corresponding to some historical unit.

It's getting into a serious problem now. Kids as young as 10 are binge drinking illegally, taking alcahol to get drunk instead of enjoying it. I enjoy a beer or glass of wine with my meal, but some guys are going out all night and drinking until they puch their best mate in their face. All the other Europeans can drink sensibly, so why can't the English?

Where do you guys think that we're heading with this alcahol problem, and what do you think about this demand by the EU to convert to full metric by 2010? A half litre of beer? I think not.

I don't know if this has been said before, but since I'm Spanish I'm going to have to say that Spanish kids don't know how to hold their alcohol either - especially me. Although I have to admit, I've never punched a friend in the face.

It's getting into a serious problem now. Kids as young as 10 are binge drinking illegally, taking alcahol to get drunk instead of enjoying it. I enjoy a beer or glass of wine with my meal, but some guys are going out all night and drinking until they puch their best mate in their face. All the other Europeans can drink sensibly, so why can't the English?

Where do you guys think that we're heading with this alcahol problem, and what do you think about this demand by the EU to convert to full metric by 2010? A half litre of beer? I think not.
Look left... Us Irish binge-drink at least as bad... Tourist destinations are even worse - my holiday to Crete, you could pick up three Sex on the Beach for €8, enough to get even me just a little tipsy... Or other people so drunk they puke and I have to carry them home... :rolleyes:
Whenever I've gotten utterly soused, it's always been in someone's house - mine, or a friend's. A safe environment, no fighting or danger or anything.