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Here is the three things we examine:

Topless or Nude dancing---> Art or Sex?

Adult Films----------------> Art or Sex?

Nudity for the fun of it----> Art or Sex?

What are you're feelings?

Do you assume that art and sex are mutually exclusive? why?

Here is the three things we examine:

Topless or Nude dancing---> Art or Sex?

Adult Films----------------> Art or Sex?

Nudity for the fun of it----> Art or Sex?

What are you're feelings?

1) sex
2) sex
3) sex

all sex....

sex sex sex

but so much "art" is really a form of artistic prostitution that i dont think its fair to dis pole dancing, porn flicks and hanging out naked as being particularily non-artistic.

Neither. All sin.

Neither. All sin.

both. sin is good...

Sex, not that there's anything wrong with that.

both. sin is good...

Sin is great! Sin feels really good! When you commit it. The aftermath could be very devastating. And then, to avoid the devastating feeling, you sin even more - even more - even more...

i second both, but it's not sinning, well oki it is if your a christian but hey whatever.

Do you assume that art and sex are mutually exclusive? why?

Not necessarily, but it was easier to phrase the question this way.

Sin is great! Sin feels really good! When you commit it. The aftermath could be very devastating. And then, to avoid the devastating feeling, you sin even more - even more - even more...

Why would god make us with so many fun parts and put us on a planet with so many fun things to do if he didn't want us to do them?

Your god is a tease!

Oh, and I've never felt any of this "devastating aftermath." Must be because I don't buy into your culture of guilt. =)

Well, it all depends on the KIND of nudity we're talking about here. Nude dancing can be taken as purely sexual, or more erotic and "artfull". The same can be said for adult films.

But nudity for the hell of it, that seems purely sexual, and very refreshing! :D

In most cases they are strictly sexual, but they can be artistic. Oh, and by my definition of sin they're not sinfull. They don't harm anyone.

But nudity for the hell of it, that seems purely sexual, and very refreshing! :D

:rolleyes: you know your culture is weirded when you read something like that.... You only take your clothes off to have sex?

Why would god make us with so many fun parts and put us on a planet with so many fun things to do if he didn't want us to do them?
God didn't make them up. Humans did.

Oh, and I've never felt any of this "devastating aftermath." Must be because I don't buy into your culture of guilt. =)
But you still cover sin by sin. And that you might have already forgotton how it felt the first time you committed that particular sin.

For example, you cheated on your wife. That's sin. And then you have to lie about it to cover it up, so you sin further. It's goes on.

:rolleyes: you know your culture is weirded when you read something like that.... You only take your clothes off to have sex?

Bah!

We need another sexual revolution!

Topless or Nude dancing---> Depends.

Adult Films----------------> Sex.

Nudity for the fun of it----> Neither, necessarily. Depends.

Nudity for the fun of it----> Neither, necessarily. Depends.

Good point. Nudity can be non-sexual in many ways.

But...uh...I'm not gonna list them all here...

I usually avoid message boards, but I feel I have something to offer here.
As an art student I've had a lot of discussion about this, some in classes and some with friends.
The problem here is that the definition of art itself has become so blurry that its hard to tell. there's actually a fairly large split amongst artists over what should be considered art. A man once signed a toilet, put it on a pedestal, and changed art forever, because people thought it was brilliant.
now, my viewpoint is that art must be something that either speaks clearly or demonstrates skill and attention. they are not mutually exclusive, because despite most art historian's contentions, a lot of artists draw/paint/sculpt things because they think it's cool, and you don't need to be da vinci to speak artistically either.
so, stripping. definitely requires practice, and a degree of ability. arguably art.
"pornographic" (god I hate that word, it implies it should be censored) movies-depends, honestly. if there was effort and intent behind it, I'm inclined to say so, but if its just a bunch of random people going at it with no visible signs of real care about quality of the work, then I'd say no, its just entertainment.
nudity-nudity has been in art for centuries, and can be as asexual as eating a bowl of cheerios.
also, keep in mind a lot of the classical artists were contracted to draw some pretty kinky stuff. one example comes to mind of the virgin mary masterbating. its very subtle, very well made, and a fairly tasteful rendition, and there is almost no arguement that the piece I'm thinkin of(forgotten artist and piece name) is considered art.
I don't think something should be discounted because of industry or alterior uses. Pottery would be a long dead art if that were the case.

God didn't make them up. Humans did.


But you still cover sin by sin. And that you might have already forgotton how it felt the first time you committed that particular sin.

For example, you cheated on your wife. That's sin. And then you have to lie about it to cover it up, so you sin further. It's goes on.

Wait... humans made up all our fun body parts? **Scratches head** I thought your god did...

I don't cover sin with more sin. Because I'm not sinning in the first place. It's impossible to sin against a god you don't believe in.

Topless or Nude dancing---> Art or Sex?

Kind of both

Adult Films----------------> Art or Sex?

Nearly all sex, but a bit of art

Nudity for the fun of it----> Art or Sex?

Neither

I usually avoid message boards, but I feel I have something to offer here.
As an art student I've had a lot of discussion about this, some in classes and some with friends.
The problem here is that the definition of art itself has become so blurry that its hard to tell. there's actually a fairly large split amongst artists over what should be considered art. A man once signed a toilet, put it on a pedestal, and changed art forever, because people thought it was brilliant.
now, my viewpoint is that art must be something that either speaks clearly or demonstrates skill and attention. they are not mutually exclusive, because despite most art historian's contentions, a lot of artists draw/paint/sculpt things because they think it's cool, and you don't need to be da vinci to speak artistically either.
so, stripping. definitely requires practice, and a degree of ability. arguably art.
"pornographic" (god I hate that word, it implies it should be censored) movies-depends, honestly. if there was effort and intent behind it, I'm inclined to say so, but if its just a bunch of random people going at it with no visible signs of real care about quality of the work, then I'd say no, its just entertainment.
nudity-nudity has been in art for centuries, and can be as asexual as eating a bowl of cheerios.
also, keep in mind a lot of the classical artists were contracted to draw some pretty kinky stuff. one example comes to mind of the virgin mary masterbating. its very subtle, very well made, and a fairly tasteful rendition, and there is almost no arguement that the piece I'm thinkin of(forgotten artist and piece name) is considered art.
I don't think something should be discounted because of industry or alterior uses. Pottery would be a long dead art if that were the case.

Art is stuff that looks cool, thats what many people don't understand, namely Art Teachers, i spent three years being told that my work was "irrelevant to the module" and "far to sketchy" what the fuck, i thought it looked cool i didn't care if it was too sketchy, im sorry i'm hijacking, but anywho Art is stuff that looks cool, and to be honest the female body looks cool, and if your partial to it so does the dudes body.

Art is stuff that looks cool, thats what many people don't understand, namely Art Teachers, i spent three years being told that my work was "irrelevant to the module" and "far to sketchy" what the fuck, i thought it looked cool i didn't care if it was too sketchy, im sorry i'm hijacking, but anywho Art is stuff that looks cool, and to be honest the female body looks cool, and if your partial to it so does the dudes body.

I can't say much. The only art I make is music and web design. It's pretty clear which one is art, though I consider some of my websites artisitic.

Sin is great! Sin feels really good! When you commit it. The aftermath could be very devastating. And then, to avoid the devastating feeling, you sin even more - even more - even more...
Really? Why has nothing like that ever happened to me? ;)

Both. And more.

Nudity for the fun of it, for example. If it's 37 degrees where you live, it suddenly starts to make a lot of sense.

Sex, sex, and fun/useful..

In montreal it is actually legal for women to go around topless, and you can actually sit on your balcony or in your backyard naked if you want, unless someone complains, in which case the police will politely ask you to put some clothes on. Fortunately for those who like to tan without getting tan lines in the few months of summer we have, people rarely complain about seeing a neighbour in the buff.
Also, it is a lot more efficient to clean your house wearing as little clothing is possible, that way your clothes don't get dirty as well. I'm sure I could come up with a lot more practical reasons for nakedness, but I really do need to get back to work...

I say they're all both. There's art to be found in everything, I believe.

I say they're all both. There's art to be found in everything, I believe.
*sigs quote* Well said!

I say they're all both. There's art to be found in everything, I believe.

Well, theres sex to be found in everything too. In fact, it can be fun looking for it.

*stares at lamp intently*

Well, theres sex to be found in everything too. In fact, it can be fun looking for it.

*stares at lamp intently*
These are the times that make me mad that I'm still a v... er, never mind.

Sex is an art.

And art? Well *dons freudian thinking cap*, art is your conscious display of your unconscious sexual tensions, perversions and frustrations.

:D

:rolleyes: you know your culture is weirded when you read something like that.... You only take your clothes off to have sex?
Haha, yeah, some of my friends were talking about that today its like 'so what if you go to get in the shower? its just takes your clothes off, that must mean sex! it's just like bam! SEX!'

Sex IS art, art is sex...sometimes...
People just really need to stop obsessing about it and stop getting so offended by nudity... and sex... no big deal right? :rolleyes:

Here is the three things we examine:

Topless or Nude dancing---> Art or Sex?

Adult Films----------------> Art or Sex?

Nudity for the fun of it----> Art or Sex?

What are you're feelings?

1) sex
2) sex
3) neither really. naturists just seem to like being naked. they dont wander round with a hardon. course that could be because they usually arent attractive.

If its designed to turn people on its sex, if its supposed to be beautiful without turning people on, or is supposed to convey some message, its art.

SEXSEXSEXSEXSEXSEXSEXSEXSEXSEXSEXSEXSEXSEXSEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


...sorry....I got distracted......... what was the question?

Here is the three things we examine:

Topless or Nude dancing---> Art or Sex?

Adult Films----------------> Art or Sex?

Nudity for the fun of it----> Art or Sex?

What are you're feelings?

Answer for all: BOTH!

Here is the three things we examine:

Topless or Nude dancing---> Art or Sex?

Adult Films----------------> Art or Sex?

Nudity for the fun of it----> Art or Sex?

What are you're feelings?
To me, all three can be either or both, and often are.

Here is the three things we examine:

Topless or Nude dancing---> Art or Sex?

Adult Films----------------> Art or Sex?

Nudity for the fun of it----> Art or Sex?

What are you're feelings?

they depend on the context.

dancing....well, pure grinding is sexual but not very artistic. but if you put enough effort into it - if it's a major broadway production involving hundreds of people, makeup, costumes, etc...i don't see why that's not art.

adult films....if it's straight fucking, and i mean straight in the sense of only fucking and nothing else, then it's just sex. if it's a high budget production with all kinds of bells and whistles and pretentious cinematography then i don't see why it's not erotic art.

nudity for the fun of it......i don't think that's either sex or art, it's just having fun.

here's another question: can casual sex not be a form of artistic expression?

God didn't make them up. Humans did.


But you still cover sin by sin. And that you might have already forgotton how it felt the first time you committed that particular sin.

For example, you cheated on your wife. That's sin. And then you have to lie about it to cover it up, so you sin further. It's goes on.

well if you're married, yeah, i guess all three options are kinda sleazy...

Art is stuff that looks cool, thats what many people don't understand, namely Art Teachers, i spent three years being told that my work was "irrelevant to the module" and "far to sketchy" what the fuck, i thought it looked cool i didn't care if it was too sketchy, im sorry i'm hijacking, but anywho Art is stuff that looks cool, and to be honest the female body looks cool, and if your partial to it so does the dudes body.


Thats because the purpose of art school is to teach technical quality. One of the problems I have with the current school is exactly the one you had. The methods used to teach drawing, painting, what have you are aimed at improving the students ability, but they also stifle creativity. I just do what the profs want to see in class, and what I want to see outside of class.
As for your definition of art, sometimes it is, sometimes its more than that. thats my point.

Sex....art....its all good :shrug: