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Why is it that right-wingers are always in a clamour about how evil speeding cameras are? Seriously, it may sound like I'm being overly judgmental but these hypocrites are really getting on my nerves, they think we should make drugs illegal even though they only hurt the people that take them, but when it comes to going 100 mph in a machine that can very easily kill people they turn a blind eye.

What's the matter? Afraid the cops might take your new beemer?

Sorry if this seems a little muddled/ gramattically incorrect. I've been awake for 48 hours now.

edit: I mean, seriously. You approve cameras to catch 13 year olds nicking pick n mix but dont want a camera to notice when you endager children's lives? Evil bastards

Why is it that right-wingers are always in a clamour about how evil speeding cameras are? Seriously, it may sound like I'm being overly judgmental but these hypocrites are really getting on my nerves, they think we should make drugs illegal even though they only hurt the people that take them, but when it comes to going 100 mph in a machine that can very easily kill people they turn a blind eye.

What's the matter? Afraid the cops might take your new beemer?

Sorry if this seems a little muddled/ gramattically incorrect. I've been awake for 48 hours now.
You have nothing to fear from them unless you're a criminal!!!!!

Why is it that right-wingers are always in a clamour about how evil speeding cameras are? Seriously, it may sound like I'm being overly judgmental but these hypocrites are really getting on my nerves, they think we should make drugs illegal even though they only hurt the people that take them, but when it comes to going 100 mph in a machine that can very easily kill people they turn a blind eye.

What's the matter? Afraid the cops might take your new beemer?

Sorry if this seems a little muddled/ gramattically incorrect. I've been awake for 48 hours now.

edit: I mean, seriously. You approve cameras to catch 13 year olds nicking pick n mix but dont want a camera to notice when you endager children's lives? Evil bastards

How can you possible make the assertion that it's right wingers who complain about speeding cameras. Do you hate right wingers so much that you automatically assume the worst about them?

Hypocricy knows no politics.

How can you possible make the assertion that it's right wingers who complain about speeding cameras. Do you hate right wingers so much that you automatically assume the worst about them?

Hypocricy knows no politics.
Seeing as the daily mail and express are the papers rallying against speed cameras and i only ever hear conservatives talking about them I can only assume that the right wing has more of a problem with it than the lefties

EVERYONE hates those cameras

because everyone speeds and everyone runs red lights (even if only rarely)

its a good example of conflict of interest. its "bad" because i am the one getting a ticket when i would have gotten away with it in the past. the good part of controlling speeders and intersections seem insignificant compared with MY having to pay a fine.

How can you possible make the assertion that it's right wingers who complain about speeding cameras. Do you hate right wingers so much that you automatically assume the worst about them?

Hypocricy knows no politics.

It is a traditionally conservative view to fear the approach of the government's watchful eye into every day life.

Where I live, and when I hear complaints about speeding cameras and red light cameras I usually can't tell the complainers political leaning. It's not like they say "Im a conservative and I hate those cameras". Perhaps they do that where you live?

There does seem to be a large amount of middle aged white men who vote national who call up talk radio to whinge about speed cameras being a 'cash grab' for cops (hell, even one of the national campaign ads refers to the police as a 'revenue gathering team'). So therefore it does seem to be quite a right wing thing here if its enough for the main right wing party to use it in their advertisements...



Alright, I've edited out my rant about speeders, and I'm going to replace it with a link to the article I read a day or so before I wrote it and tried to emulate. It's from Vic Uni's Salient Mag.

http://www.salient.org.nz/index.php?a=1835&c=48

Where I live, and when I hear complaints about speeding cameras and red light cameras I usually can't tell the complainers political leaning. It's not like they say "Im a conservative and I hate those cameras". Perhaps they do that where you live?

It's more a matter of seeing op-eds in conservative publications or hearing conservative pundits complain than anything else.

Having lived in places with those cameras in two separate countries, I can say that those cameras do not always work like they are supposed to.

Where I am now, if for some reason you are in the interesection and a car makes a sudden stop...if the light changes, the camera will snap a pic of you, and it will appear that you ran the light, when it is not the case.

There does seem to be a large amount of middle aged white men who vote national who call up talk radio to whinge about speed cameras being a 'cash grab' for cops (hell, even one of the national campaign ads refers to the police as a 'revenue gathering team'). So therefore it does seem to be quite a right wing thing here if its enough for the main right wing party to use it in their advertisements...



My msg to them is as follows: Guess what retards, if you don't want to contribute to the evil labour govts evil money gathering scheme DON'T BREAK THE FUCKING LAW BY SPEEDING. It must be a pretty shit revenue gathering plan if it relies on people constantly breaking the law to make money, but yet people constantly do. You whinge and moan about the prison system not locking up violent offenders for long enough, and then you piss and moan when you get done for speeding, even though speeding kills more people than violent offenders do. Dipshits.
"Dipshits"... there's an intelligent argument :rolleyes:
The redlight cameras in San Diego county had to be turned off 4-5 years ago, because it was found out that they had been designed to "catch" not only those who ran red lights, but also as much as 10 seconds prior to the yellow light changing to red. A judge ruled that the fines collected had to be returned because he believed that it was simply a money making scheme for the local govt's.

Why is it that right-wingers are always in a clamour about how evil speeding cameras are? Seriously, it may sound like I'm being overly judgmental but these hypocrites are really getting on my nerves, they think we should make drugs illegal even though they only hurt the people that take them, but when it comes to going 100 mph in a machine that can very easily kill people they turn a blind eye.

What's the matter? Afraid the cops might take your new beemer?

Sorry if this seems a little muddled/ gramattically incorrect. I've been awake for 48 hours now.

edit: I mean, seriously. You approve cameras to catch 13 year olds nicking pick n mix but dont want a camera to notice when you endager children's lives? Evil bastards

To prove the problem of Speed Cameras i will demonstrate a sketch from Top Gear:

Osama Bin Laden is hiding in this country, but he is able to hide from detection because so long as he keeps below the speed limit no-one will stop him in his car.

A little old Lady is going at 32 in a 30 zone, she is arrested.

If that camera had been a Traffic policeman then Osama would have been caught but no, luckily the AA have recently released a map showing every Speed cameras position in UKland.

It is a traditionally conservative view to fear the approach of the government's watchful eye into every day life.

Post of the day.

Its been proven that cameras actually cause accidents becuase people are more obsessed with seeing where they are in case they get caught than driving carefully.

so its because us right-wingers care that we are aginst cameras.

Why is it that right-wingers are always in a clamour about how evil speeding cameras are? Seriously, it may sound like I'm being overly judgmental but these hypocrites are really getting on my nerves, they think we should make drugs illegal even though they only hurt the people that take them, but when it comes to going 100 mph in a machine that can very easily kill people they turn a blind eye.

What's the matter? Afraid the cops might take your new beemer?

Sorry if this seems a little muddled/ gramattically incorrect. I've been awake for 48 hours now.

edit: I mean, seriously. You approve cameras to catch 13 year olds nicking pick n mix but dont want a camera to notice when you endager children's lives? Evil bastards

So not wanting speeding cameras equates to us careening down the highway at 100 miles an hour? Nice deduction.

But seriously. Most conservatives don't want the government cramming themselves into our every day business. We're big boys. We can handle ourselves well enough.

Its been proven that cameras actually cause accidents becuase people are more obsessed with seeing where they are in case they get caught than driving carefully.

so its because us right-wingers care that we are aginst cameras.

You are really going to have to back that up.

So not wanting speeding cameras equates to us careening down the highway at 100 miles an hour? Nice deduction.

But seriously. Most conservatives don't want the government cramming themselves into our every day business. We're big boys. We can handle ourselves well enough.

Interestingly enough, most conservatives want to make sure two dudes aren't in bed together.

Interestingly enough, most conservatives want to make sure two dudes aren't in bed together.

too true, its disgusting. its not natural.

"Dipshits"... there's an intelligent argument :rolleyes:


It wasn't an arguement, it was a semi-insulting paragraph.


The redlight cameras in San Diego county had to be turned off 4-5 years ago, because it was found out that they had been designed to "catch" not only those who ran red lights, but also as much as 10 seconds prior to the yellow light changing to red. A judge ruled that the fines collected had to be returned because he believed that it was simply a money making scheme for the local govt's.

These people complain because every now and then the police will have a 'speed blitz' where they pick an area and go and snap pretty much everyone speeding. It's simply enforcing the law, yet they complain that it's 'money gathering'. If they were cheating like in your scenario, then they'd have a point. If you get caught doing 70km in a 50km zone, tough shit, it's your own fault, not the police.

You are really going to have to back that up.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2212479.stm

too true, its disgusting. its not natural.

Define 'not natural'. Homosexuality occurs amoungst many species of animal, so it clearly happens in nature..

Define 'not natural'. Homosexuality occurs amoungst many species of animal, so it clearly happens in nature..

animals don't have feelings such as love, so you cannot say that they have sexuality. they only have sex to produce offspring.

Interestingly enough, most conservatives want to make sure two dudes aren't in bed together.

They can do what they want in my eyes, so long as they 1)don't hurt anyone and 2)don't expect my church to marry them (if they should want a ceremonial church wedding). It's not the government's business as to what they do.

animals don't have feelings such as love, so you cannot say that they have sexuality. they only have sex to produce offspring.

Not necessarily true. Animals such as elephants and dolphins have been known to grieve over the death of one from their herd/pack/family, and elephants have even been known to "avenge" deaths were they killed by another animal/human. If that's not emotional ties, I don't know what is.

Not necessarily true. Animals such as elephants and dolphins have been known to grieve over the death of one from their herd/pack/family, and elephants have even been known to "avenge" deaths were they killed by another animal/human. If that's not emotional ties, I don't know what is.

i didn't say emotional ties, i said love, i grieve the deaths of all the people in america during the flood, but i didn't love them.

The problem I have with the concept is that its being done for entirely the wrong reasons. In most cities, it is viewed as a budget initiative rather than an actual incentive to get people to stop running red lights. To my knowledge, it hasn't meaningfully cut down on speeding/redlight running which is probably part of the reason why a bunch of different cities want to do it now.

I'll be interested to see how many cops get busted just turning their lights on to go through a signal, which is probably at the very least severly frowned upon, if not outright illegal. If it isn't, it should be. I've always wanted to follow one through just to see what would happen.

And to anyone who hasn't noticed yet [of which there seem to be a few], the reason DHomme is condemning the 'Right' with this is because anyone who holds beliefs that aren't congruent with his must belong to the Right. It's a fairly widespread phenomenon.

too true, its disgusting. its not natural.
So we shouldnt drive cars then. They dont occur in nature and they harm the environment- ergo they are 'not natural' either

And to anyone who hasn't noticed yet [of which there seem to be a few], the reason DHomme is condemning the 'Right' with this is because anyone who holds beliefs that aren't congruent with his must belong to the Right. It's a fairly widespread phenomenon.

...amongst everyone, not just the left. ;)

i didn't say emotional ties, i said love, i grieve the deaths of all the people in america during the flood, but i didn't love them.


love IS an emotional tie.

So we shouldnt drive cars then. They dont occur in nature and they harm the environment- ergo they are 'not natural' either

clothes don't occur in nature, computers don't occur in nature, and are you suggesting we get rid of them?

love IS an emotional tie.

but you said emotional ties, i said love, there are different types of emotional tie, friendship for instance, thats not love.

...amongst everyone, not just the left. ;)
Yeah. Sorry, I probably should have made that distinction initially. I'm not terribly impressed with the Right's political identification skills either.

but you said emotional ties, i said love, there are different types of emotional tie, friendship for instance, thats not love.

Sure it is. There are three kinds of love, as I go by the Greek interpretations: philos, eros, and agape.

Philos is the love one has between friends and some family. Eros is the sensual/sexual love one experiences. Agape is the unconditional love one has toward another. Greeks believe this to be the most special, but do claim that all three are forms of love.

clothes don't occur in nature, computers don't occur in nature, and are you suggesting we get rid of them?

He's not the one attacking homosexuality for being 'unnatural', you are.

clothes don't occur in nature, computers don't occur in nature, and are you suggesting we get rid of them?
Im following the logical extension of your argument. If gays arent natural neither are clothes, cars, computers, etc. so we should stop them all

Im following the logical extension of your argument. If gays arent natural neither are clothes, cars, computers, etc. so we should stop them all

DeEvolutionaries, unite! Destroy all that which hinders us from our roots! All ice cream eaters are heathenistic scum! Let us launch hand grenades at those who believe modern weapons are useful!

Yeah. Sorry, I probably should have made that distinction initially. I'm not terribly impressed with the Right's political identification skills either.

In this instance though, DHomme does have somewhat of a point considering the situation in Australia. (I'm looking at the political debate, not individual citizens...and i'm unaware of what the debate is like in other countries.) Speed cameras over here are a State Government responsibility, and at the moment our Labor Party controls all of the State Parliaments (while the conservatives hold Federal government). Strangely enough the conservatives from the opposition are taking a popular stance against the speed cameras. This makes the act of opposing the cameras themselves seem ideologically right-wing.

I strongly suspect though, if the parliamentary balance were shifted in favor of the conservatives, Labor would be taking the stance against the cameras in order to win votes.

So i'm chalking it down to populism rather than any specific ideological motive.

In this instance though, DHomme does have somewhat of a point considering the situation in Australia. (I'm looking at the political debate, not individual citizens...and i'm unaware of what the debate is like in other countries.) Speed cameras over here are a State Government responsibility, and at the moment our Labor Party controls all of the State Parliaments. Strangely enough the conservatives from the opposition are taking a popular stance against the speed cameras. This makes the act of opposing the cameras themselves seem ideologically right-wing.

I strongly suspect though, if the parliamentary balance were shifted in favor of the conservatives, Labor would be taking the stance against the cameras in order to win votes.

So i'm chalking it down to populism rather than any specific ideological motive.
Well, all this really proves is that people are divided on certain issues: something which is hardly news to anyone who's been paying any attention to the world for the last ten thousand years.

Well, all this really proves is that people are divided on certain issues: something which is hardly news to anyone who's been paying any attention to the world for the last ten thousand years.

Yes, and also does away with the argument that opposing speed cameras is necessarily right-wing.

Wel, I'm sure theres a reason he came to that conclusion; every so often the conservatives like to put on the 'small government' party hat and pretend they're actually interested in things like rights and personal responsibility. I think in this country at least it has been thoroughly proven that they're not for either of these things.

Wel, I'm sure theres a reason he came to that conclusion; every so often the conservatives like to put on the 'small government' party hat and pretend they're actually interested in things like rights and personal responsibility. I think in this country at least it has been thoroughly proven that they're not for either of these things.

I'm curious; do you see yourself as a libertarian, then?

animals don't have feelings such as love, so you cannot say that they have sexuality. they only have sex to produce offspring.

Untrue. Dolphins often have sex for fun or to reinforce social bonds. Just like humans.

in the UK speed cameras are now called "safety speed cameras" (the spin from the labour party is unreal, my washing machine spins less) and thats why im for them at accident black spots, but against them along the motor ways where going fast is safe(ish) aslong as your well behind the car in front, the roads are dry ETC, but they should be a police presence on motorways to ensure that people are being safe.

thats my 2 cents (about .01 of a pound)

I'm curious; do you see yourself as a libertarian, then?
I used to be a dyed in the wool libertarian, and resolved to donate copiously to the party once I grew into voting age. Libertarianism was the first real political ideology I held: I called myself a Republican when I was a child but I was more than likely concerned with little else besides who had a nicer haircut and a snappier tie. My mom voted Republican while I was growing up and that probably had something to do with it.

I adopted Libertarianism around the age of 14 [thanks to the influence of my father, who ironically works for the City], and I stuck with it for about 5 years. I still sympathize with them, but I consider myself an Objectivist first, which precludes me putting my faith in a political party--even one that appears to be interested in carrying out my ideas for government.

So the long and short of it, I guess, is 'yes,' because that's where I'm invariably pigeonholed when you get right down to brass tacks. I don't, however, put mindless faith in the party platform because with just about everything else, too many cooks fuck that broth over nice 'n good.

I used to be a dyed in the wool libertarian, and resolved to donate copiously to the party once I grew into voting age. Libertarianism was the first real political ideology I held: I called myself a Republican when I was a child but I was more than likely concerned with little else besides who had a nicer haircut and a snappier tie. My mom voted Republican while I was growing up and that probably had something to do with it.

I adopted Libertarianism around the age of 14 [thanks to the influence of my father, who ironically works for the City], and I stuck with it for about 5 years. I still sympathize with them, but I consider myself an Objectivist first, which precludes me putting my faith in a political party--even one that appears to be interested in carrying out my ideas for government.

So the long and short of it, I guess, is 'yes,' because that's where I'm invariably pigeonholed when you get right down to brass tacks. I don't, however, put mindless faith in the party platform because with just about everything else, too many cooks fuck that broth over nice 'n good.

Fair enough then. I always thought of you as a conservative, probably a Republican voter, but I see I was quite wrong. It's helps to know where the people you're discussing things with are coming from. :)

Untrue. Dolphins often have sex for fun or to reinforce social bonds. Just like humans.

As do chimpanzees, IIRC.

I haven't noticed it being a political issue left vs right here. Here, people tend to obey the speed limit and traffic signals far more than in some other countries. In fact, people often make a joke about Swedes as being too law abiding to cross the road when the red man is lit up.

too true, its disgusting. its not natural.
Define 'not natural'. Homosexuality occurs amoungst many species of animal, so it clearly happens in nature..
animals don't have feelings such as love, so you cannot say that they have sexuality. they only have sex to produce offspring.
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Why is it that right-wingers are always in a clamour about how evil speeding cameras are? Seriously, it may sound like I'm being overly judgmental but these hypocrites are really getting on my nerves, they think we should make drugs illegal even though they only hurt the people that take them, but when it comes to going 100 mph in a machine that can very easily kill people they turn a blind eye.

What's the matter? Afraid the cops might take your new beemer?

Sorry if this seems a little muddled/ gramattically incorrect. I've been awake for 48 hours now.

edit: I mean, seriously. You approve cameras to catch 13 year olds nicking pick n mix but dont want a camera to notice when you endager children's lives? Evil bastardsOMG, has the childish partisanship on these boards reached an all time idiotic level.

I think it has something to do with the right to face your accuser, and I'm surprised it's not the left complaining?

Personally, I have a divided opinion of cameras. Standard video cameras are fine, because they can be used as evidence if a crime should occur.

But cameras snapping a lone picture of your license plate is not really evidence of anything.

"The camera says you ran the red light."

If you didn't indeed run the light, how do you argue with that? What if you get stopped in the intersection because of some dumbass, and suddenly the light turns red? There's no way to say what actually happened without an actual person there to say "This is what I saw." and it seems to be a violation of constitutional rights to use a computer as the accuser.

If that camera had been a Traffic policeman then Osama would have been caught but no, luckily the AA have recently released a map showing every Speed cameras position in UKland.
So Osama will know where they all are. :rolleyes:

But seriously. Most conservatives don't want the government cramming themselves into our every day business. We're big boys. We can handle ourselves well enough.
So why should drugs be illegal?

too true, its disgusting. its not natural.
Says the guy typing on a computer.

animals don't have feelings such as love, so you cannot say that they have sexuality. they only have sex to produce offspring.
If the animals are gay, surely they don't only have sex to produce offspring.

I'm a leftist and to me speed cameras are just revenue raising machines. They are horribly unreliable with the actual speed detection and governments just love them because they make lots of money.