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What do you think of him, here are some links about him, do you think he's too harsh on the prisoners, or too soft. I think what he does is good, and they deserve to be humiliated, most of them never go back to prison after they've been to his.

Links:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/webchat/webchat_sheriff.shtml
http://www.citizensrequired.com/steve/ktr_sheriff/sheriff.shtml
http://www.mcso.org/

I think he's a scumbag who's building a tough on crime reputation so he can win higher public office. He's running a jail that's as miserable to live in as some third world refugee camps. Jails hold potentially innocent people who are awaiting trial. Arpaio should be forced to live among the inmates in his jail. Forced to eat the lousy food they get, and forced to live in the tents under the blazing desert sun like they do. For Arpaio it should be a life sentence.

I think he's a scumbag who's building a tough on crime reputation so he can win higher public office. He's running a jail that's as miserable to live in as some third world refugee camps. Jails hold potentially innocent people who are awaiting trial. Arpaio should be forced to live among the inmates in his jail. Forced to eat the lousy food they get, and forced to live in the tents under the blazing desert sun like they do. For Arpaio it should be a life sentence.

But he's reduced crime in his county, very few prisoners get sent back to prison again after they've been there, and many ex-prisoners have actually thanked him for putting them on the straight path.

Oh wow, is that time again? The quaternay-yearly Joe Arpaio thread?
Gosh, but doesn't time fly.


This thread reminds me of the time I had Deja vu.

But he's reduced crime in his county, very few prisoners get sent back to prison again after they've been there, and many ex-prisoners have actually thanked him for putting them on the straight path.
Yeah, and many people who were found innocent at trial had to spent days or weeks living in absolutely deplorable conditions because they couldn't make bail. Is it worth punishing the innocent to reduce petty crimes like drug possesion and shoplifting?

Yeah, and many people who were found innocent at trial had to spent days or weeks living in absolutely deplorable conditions because they couldn't make bail. Is it worth punishing the innocent to reduce petty crimes like drug possesion and shoplifting?

how is drug possesion and shoplifting petty, no crimes are petty if you ask me, except maybe speeding fines....


and sorry Demented Hamsters, i've never seen a topic on him before, so please accept my apology.

how is drug possesion and shoplifting petty, no crimes are petty if you ask me,

and sorry Demented Hamsters, i've never seen a topic on him before, so please accept my apology.
They're petty because neither is violent. Drug possesion doesn't damage or steal property, and shoplifting doesn't account for much loss of property. The first is a totally victimless crime, the second is a minor crime. Why should innocent people suffer to reduce such minor annoyances?

except maybe speeding fines....


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Do you know how many people go to jail for traffic issues like repeatedly driving on the revoked list or ignoring a ticket until a warrant for arrest is put out for the person? If you think traffic tickets are petty then you should be against Arpaio's methods of punishing traffic offenders in jail.

They're petty because neither is violent. Drug possesion doesn't damage or steal property, and shoplifting doesn't account for much loss of property. The first is a totally victimless crime, the second is a minor crime. Why should innocent people suffer to reduce such minor annoyances?

because shoplifting often finances drugs and drugs make people crazy nutcases who have serious mental problems and go round beating people up.

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Do you know how many people go to jail for traffic issues like repeatedly driving on the revoked list or ignoring a ticket until a warrant for arrest is put out for the person? If you think traffic tickets are petty then you should be against Arpaio's methods of punishing traffic offenders in jail.

if you're going 5 miles an hour over the limit? cus i didn't mean going 100 miles an hour with no licence or insurance in a 30 zone....

how is drug possesion and shoplifting petty, no crimes are petty if you ask me, except maybe speeding fines....


and sorry Demented Hamsters, i've never seen a topic on him before, so please accept my apology.

Drug possesion, especially if it's for your own personal use (and even more so if it's something that can't make you violent, like cannabis) is extremely petty.

because shoplifting often finances drugs and drugs make people crazy nutcases who have serious mental problems and go round beating people up.
Shoplifting sometimes finances drugs, but want to know a little secret? Most drug users have jobs. Working finances more drug use than stealing.

Drugs also don't make people crazy nutcases that beat people up. The only exceptions I know of are people experiencing amphetamine psychosis from using speed for a week straight.

Drug possesion, especially if it's for your own personal use (and even more so if it's something that can't make you violent, like cannabis) it's extremely petty.

and just remember than cannabis is bad for your health and here in britain we have fund the NHS with taxes.... so i don't wanna pay for some hippie to go into hospital with drug problems.

how is drug possesion and shoplifting petty, no crimes are petty if you ask me, except maybe speeding fines....


and sorry Demented Hamsters, i've never seen a topic on him before, so please accept my apology.

Ah so it's not alright to decide what you put in your body, or take basic items if you cannot afford them but it IS okay to drive so wrecklessly that you nearly kill somebody?

Ah so it's not alright to decide what you put in your body, or take basic items if you cannot afford them but it IS okay to drive so wrecklessly that you nearly kill somebody?

look up....

if you're going 5 miles an hour over the limit? cus i didn't mean going 100 miles an hour with no licence or insurance in a 30 zone....

if you're going 5 miles an hour over the limit? cus i didn't mean going 100 miles an hour with no licence or insurance in a 30 zone....
Let's say you go five miles over the limit and get a ticket. You forget to pay it, or you just ignore it. After a while a warrant is issued for your arrest. This is standard operating proceedure. Let's say you're arrested on Friday. The It's a long weekend and the judge can't see you until Tuesday. Now you get to spend three days in Arpaio's jail for driving 5 miles over the limit.

Let's say you go five miles over the limit and get a ticket. You forget to pay it, or you just ignore it. After a while a warrant is issued for your arrest. This is standard operating proceedure. Let's say you're arrested on Friday. The It's a long weekend and the judge can't see you until Tuesday. Now you get to spend three days in Arpaio's jail for driving 5 miles over the limit.

so what... its 3 days, no big deal, what else would i be doing, and he apologises to everyone hes put in there unnecisarily....

and just remember than cannabis is bad for your health and here in britain we have fund the NHS with taxes.... so i don't wanna pay for some hippie to go into hospital with drug problems.

Although it's highly unlikely that a stoner would need to go to hospital for a 'drug problem' (in fact I'd say it's nearly non-existent) you don't want to have to pay for it. You are happy, however, to pay for the prison system (which is a hell of a lot more expensive) to hold these people for years for doing something that can only harm them, and in a minor way at that?

if you're going 5 miles an hour over the limit? cus i didn't mean going 100 miles an hour with no licence or insurance in a 30 zone....

But often a blind eye is turned to people who go slightly over the limit. Occasionally they get a fine, but fair enough. You can afford the petrol for a huge fast car, you can afford a sixty quid fine. If you don't like it then don't speed.

so what... its 3 days, no big deal, what else would i be doing, and he apologises to everyone hes put in there unnecisarily....
If I'm locked up unnecessarily in Joe Arpaio's jail and he comes up to me to apologize I'll be locked up in the Arizona state prison for beating his fucking face into a bloody pulp.

Let's say you go five miles over the limit and get a ticket. You forget to pay it, or you just ignore it. After a while a warrant is issued for your arrest. This is standard operating proceedure. Let's say you're arrested on Friday. The It's a long weekend and the judge can't see you until Tuesday. Now you get to spend three days in Arpaio's jail for driving 5 miles over the limit.

No, you are spending three days in jail for having ignored that a cop pulled you over and gave you a ticket, and then you did nothing about it for months.

If I do something that careless and stupid, I expect to take my punishment.

Thankfully I haven't done anything to land in jail, but I can be pretty careless and stupid. But if I lived in Arpaio's county, you can bet I would straighten up pretty quickly.

No, you are spending three days in jail for having ignored that a cop pulled you over and gave you a ticket, and then you did nothing about it for months.

If I do something that careless and stupid, I expect to take my punishment.

Thankfully I haven't done anything to land in jail, but I can be pretty careless and stupid. But if I lived in Arpaio's county, you can bet I would straighten up pretty quickly.
And what if it wasn't you that owed the ticket, but someone else with the same name as you and you're there over the long weekend until the courts open to sort this mistake out? You still happy to sit in his shithole for 3 days, cause it'll 'straighten you out' and anyway, Arpaio will apologise for it later?
BTW, not everyone who lands in jail is, by definition, guilty.

I'd be interested to see what the crime rates in neighbouring districts are. I wouldn't be surprised to find that most of repeat offenders just move out of district to escape Arpaio. So what really has been accomplished?

The highest art of winning a battle (against anybody) is to win the emotion and the nature of the person. Notice that fear and coercion are not mentioned. It is easier and more victorious to win a battle by gentleness and not by strength.

Here's the thing: He's running a jail, not a prison. Prison is where people convicted of crimes go. Jail is where people who are awaiting trial go. People who have not been convicted of breaking any laws, and could easily be very, very innocent. He treats them as though they've already been proven guilty, and that is deplorable.

The man is just a PR whore. He's looking to parlay this into a more prestigious elected office.

he runs the fucking county jails. there are no real criminals in county jails - they all go to state or federal prisons. all he's got are people awaiting trial or bail hearings, currently on trial, or serving short sentences for misdemeanors. fuck that fascist. given the chance, i'd lock him up for crimes against humanity.

I think he's worse than the prisoners he keeps in his concentration camps, personally. He should be locked up as a danger to society.

I think that you're all forgetting hes an elected sheriff.... so he must be doing something right.

I think that you're all forgetting hes an elected sheriff.... so he must be doing something right.

he is quite good at grandstanding. but showmanship shouldn't be a desireable trait in a criminal justice system.

I think that you're all forgetting hes an elected sheriff.... so he must be doing something right.
Yeah, he's good at pandering to the lowest common denominator in his county. He does that quite well.

I think that you're all forgetting hes an elected sheriff.... so he must be doing something right.

must not fulfil Godwin's law...
must not fulfil Godwin's law...
must not fulfil Godwin's law...

Fiver says Blu-tac will be far less conservative in 4 years.

Fiver says Blu-tac will be far less conservative in 4 years.
Why do you say that? I thought people got more conservative over time, not less.

What a douche bag! :mad:

Why do you say that? I thought people got more conservative over time, not less.

I reckon he'll take a more lenient view over crime and punishment once he rolls his first joint.

(Isn't this guy like 14 years old?)

Crime Headline in England: "Ruffians Knock Over a Dust-Bin in Herfordshire"
Crime Headline in USA: "5 Dead, 10 Wounded in Gang Shoot-Out."

Up yours if you don't like the idea of prison being for punishment. There are poor upstanding citizens who don't live in the comfort that most prisoners do, so until you start improving their lot in life, the prisoners can take some heat. Soldiers lived in tent cities in Gulf War Uno, I think nothing less of letting a prisoner live the same.

County jails, in Arizona, hold plenty of rapists, murderers, and theives, it's not a health club. You break the law, you pay the piper. If you can't accept responsibility for your actions, then it sounds like prison is where you deserve to be.

They're petty because neither is violent. Drug possesion doesn't damage or steal property, and shoplifting doesn't account for much loss of property. The first is a totally victimless crime, the second is a minor crime. Why should innocent people suffer to reduce such minor annoyances?
The theory's still sound, just hold people elsewhere until after their trial, but have their actual jail term served in tent city.

Crime Headline in England: "Ruffians Knock Over a Dust-Bin in Herfordshire"
Crime Headline in USA: "5 Dead, 10 Wounded in Gang Shoot-Out."

Up yours if you don't like the idea of prison being for punishment. There are poor upstanding citizens who don't live in the comfort that most prisoners do, so until you start improving their lot in life, the prisoners can take some heat. Soldiers lived in tent cities in Gulf War Uno, I think nothing less of letting a prisoner live the same.

County jails, in Arizona, hold plenty of rapists, murderers, and theives, it's not a health club. You break the law, you pay the piper. If you can't accept responsibility for your actions, then it sounds like prison is where you deserve to be.
County jails don't hold rapists, murderers, armed robbers or other violent criminals. That's what the prisons are for. County jails hold guys who were caught rolling a joint for the third time and got jail time for it. County jails are for people who are AWAITING trial and may well be innocent.

If you don't know what you're talking about, kindly keep your uninformed opinions to yourself.

Really? Maybe you should check your facts. While part of the population may be awaiting trial, there are others that have been tried, convicted, and sentenced. They can serve time in the county jail. And the do. There are also Maximum Security Jails, at the county level. They do not hold idiots that got caught smoking a joint. They hold violent prisoners or prisoners convicted of violent crimes.

Read the MCSO site. It says they take all kinds.

The theory's still sound, just hold people elsewhere until after their trial, but have their actual jail term served in tent city.

the theory was never sound to begin with. making prison uncomfortable has never decreased crime. belittling prisoners has never reduced crime. extra-judicial punishments within the prison system has never reduced crime (internally or externally). and tying people down or beating them or refusing to give them medical treatment has only ever lead to police becoming more like a gang than they usually are.

if the goal of the justice system is to reduce crime and repair the damage it causes as well as possible, then the ideas of this fascist fuck aren't just evil. they are stupid and counter-productive too. however, if the goal is to do a bunch of political grandstanding and appeal to unreflective notions of being 'tough on criminals', i guess it counts as working.