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I was listening to the radio a few minutes ago and hear people stating that people of the UK had a moral obligation to send aid to the victims of Katrina.

Now how does it come to pass that the riches nation on earth should need the help of the UK? Or does it? Is this not the UK’s charitable spirit run rampant?

I do agree with the EU help the US out by sending them oil. If the US economy suffers too much it may not be a good thing for the EU economy. So not a selfless act but I wonder what strings would be attached if the shoe was on the other foot.

All this charity (in my most humble opinion) is incredibly retarded. This is America's problem, they have the money and manpower to make the best of it. They do not require monetary donations from anyone outside their borders.

I can agree with giving money to charitable organisations in countries were the ruling eleit will syphon off the money for their corupt abitions.... take that as you will

The fact is, they won't take them even if you offer them. So there's not much point making donations to the cause really. It's got even less chance of getting to where it's needed than donations to African governments.

Sorry if this is overly harsh, but you people are bloody stupid. You're donating to the people who are in trouble. Whether the country is rich or not, it doesn't matter.

Sorry if this is overly harsh, but you people are bloody stupid. You're donating to the people who are in trouble. Whether the country is rich or not, it doesn't matter.
Now you see that is where I differ. I would expect a rich country to look after it's own and one that cannot to be in need of aid.

All this charity (in my most humble opinion) is incredibly retarded. This is America's problem, they have the money and manpower to make the best of it. They do not require monetary donations from anyone outside their borders.

That's right.

We've got it pretty much under control on our own, right? We don't need anybody helping us.

:rolleyes:

The US doesn't need money, it needs manpower.

I don't really think it's a question of need...More money coming in to charities that are helping out means that people get helped quicker, which is that much faster that people can get back to some sense of normalcy/be taken off the street and out of danger of dying.

Good to see that Europeans still have a sense of humanity and decency, Nian ;)

I don't really think it's a question of need...More money coming in to charities that are helping out means that people get helped quicker, which is that much faster that people can get back to some sense of normalcy/be taken off the street and out of danger of dying.

Good to see that Europeans still have a sense of humanity and decency, Nian ;)
Were working on getting rid of it though, doesn't fit with a market economy :p

Seriously, if America needs assistance we should definitely send some troops over there to provide some help for our friends in time of trouble. It would get them out of Iraq, which is where they've been stuck since the last time we helped out America with a little problem.

Hell, who knows. We might leave them there a little while.

Seriously, if America needs assistance we should definitely send some troops over there to provide some help for our friends in time of trouble. It would get them out of Iraq, which is where they've been stuck since the last time we helped out America with a little problem.

Hell, who knows. We might leave them there a little while.

Yep. Leave them there for as long as they are needed, then remove them. Sounds like a good plan.

The main need in post-Katrina New Orleans is to get people out, which requires helicopters, fleets of buses and potentially amphibious vehicles, none of which charities have.

Seriously, if America needs assistance we should definitely send some troops over there to provide some help for our friends in time of trouble. It would get them out of Iraq, which is where they've been stuck since the last time we helped out America with a little problem.

Hell, who knows. We might leave them there a little while.

Ha. Probably not the best idea on y'all's part. I think our civilian population is likely better armed than your military.. :sniper:

To the retard who can't spell who said that crap about not wanting to help: The US is constantly sticking our nose and money in other parts of the world to fix problems that aren't ours (I won't say Iraq is that way, despite what we're told), what's wrong with a little reach around once and a while? Oh, and you're an asshole. It always amuses me, though, when someone uses thin "political" arguments to justify him being lazy (and likely ugly and fat).

I'm giving my days off to coworkers (my company has 3500+ home-based typists, and some lost houses) so that they can still get paid during recovery while they can't work.

What are you doing?

A whole gaggle of gloating and spiteful malcontents.

I doubt strongly any one in here with a negative comment towards the US has ever really stepped up and helped people in a time of need. There is always some excuse, isnt there?
And save any self important ranting responses-you wont impress me or even yourselves. You know in your heart what you've really done. Or really not done.

wouldn't this be a good time to statrrebuilding the city rather then abandings New Orleans? Or has the hurrican not gone yet?

I was listening to the radio a few minutes ago and hear people stating that people of the UK had a moral obligation to send aid to the victims of Katrina.

Now how does it come to pass that the riches nation on earth should need the help of the UK? Or does it? Is this not the UK’s charitable spirit run rampant?

I do agree with the EU help the US out by sending them oil. If the US economy suffers too much it may not be a good thing for the EU economy. So not a selfless act but I wonder what strings would be attached if the shoe was on the other foot.


was this a US radio station or UK?

was this a US radio station or UK?

Given that he lives in the UK, I would imagine it's a UK station.

wouldn't this be a good time to statrrebuilding the city rather then abandings New Orleans? Or has the hurrican not gone yet?

People haven't yet been completely evacuated (or even fed), looting and random shootings and rapings are beyond the police force and military's control (for now), the levees are still broken, and since the pumps are under water and not working the city is still submerged.

Unfortunately, we're a long way off from rebuilding.

Given that he lives in the UK, I would imagine it's a UK station.

I didnt know he lived in the UK....but thanks for being a smarty pants.

I didnt know he lived in the UK....but thanks for being a smarty pants.

No problem :)

I was listening to the radio a few minutes ago and hear people stating that people of the UK had a moral obligation to send aid to the victims of Katrina.

Now how does it come to pass that the riches nation on earth should need the help of the UK? Or does it? Is this not the UK’s charitable spirit run rampant?

I do agree with the EU help the US out by sending them oil. If the US economy suffers too much it may not be a good thing for the EU economy. So not a selfless act but I wonder what strings would be attached if the shoe was on the other foot.

Pardon me, good sir, but HOW DARE YOU?? America has ALWAYS gone in and helped people after antural and even un-natural disasters, and NEVER has there ever been any strings attached! The U.S. ALONE contributed over $340 million to the Tsunami effort, and there were no strings attached!

Now, I understand you, as a non-American, have decided ideas about our foriegn policy...which, incidentally, as an American, I don't really support, either, so I can see your position. But to accuse us of attaching conditions on humanitarian aid...well, that accusation is beyond the pale, and it really pisses me off.

Have a nice day.

I fully agree we (the UK and Europe) should help the US out, no country should be set adrift in time of a crisis.

However, in the same way the US hands out "favours" and "foreign aid" then demands favours back they should be forced to sign up to and adhere to the kyoto agreement.

After all, if it is a world economy and increasingly the world helps nations out, then the US should look to scaling back its use of fossil fuels and expelling dangerous chemicals into the atmosphere as all the other major countries have done.

Now you see that is where I differ. I would expect a rich country to look after it's own and one that cannot to be in need of aid.

Yeah, well, now that is just the problem, see?? We look after everyone EXCEPT our own!

Pardon me, good sir, but HOW DARE YOU?? America has ALWAYS gone in and helped people after antural and even un-natural disasters, and NEVER has there ever been any strings attached! The U.S. ALONE contributed over $340 million to the Tsunami effort, and there were no strings attached!

Now, I understand you, as a non-American, have decided ideas about our foriegn policy...which, incidentally, as an American, I don't really support, either, so I can see your position. But to accuse us of attaching conditions on humanitarian aid...well, that accusation is beyond the pale, and it really pisses me off.

Have a nice day.

I beg to differ, modern history is over-run with examples of where the US has demanded a return of a "favour" or "foreign aid", during the 60's and 70's this was normally by the siting of missiles or an Airforce base. More recently trade exemptions and buying of trade bills to strengthen the dollar has helped US imports, whereas selling the bills aided US exports when required.

All countries do it, but as the US is the only current superpower, they tend to do it on a larger scale more often.

Ha. Probably not the best idea on y'all's part. I think our civilian population is likely better armed than your military.. :sniper:

To the retard who can't spell who said that crap about not wanting to help: The US is constantly sticking our nose and money in other parts of the world to fix problems that aren't ours (I won't say Iraq is that way, despite what we're told), what's wrong with a little reach around once and a while? Oh, and you're an asshole. It always amuses me, though, when someone uses thin "political" arguments to justify him being lazy (and likely ugly and fat).

I'm giving my days off to coworkers (my company has 3500+ home-based typists, and some lost houses) so that they can still get paid during recovery while they can't work.

What are you doing?

I appluad you, sir...that is a very kind and generous thing you are doing. Now, let me ask you...since you are such a kind and generous person...and since I am unemployed...and since "home-based typist" sounds RIGHT up my alley...is your company hiring? What is your company's name? Who do I contact and how? Please respond by private telegram, as I don't want a bunch of competition! I've been unemployed and under-employed for a year and a half now, and any leg up I can get would be appreciated.


Thanks!

I fully agree we (the UK and Europe) should help the US out, no country should be set adrift in time of a crisis.

However, in the same way the US hands out "favours" and "foreign aid" then demands favours back they should be forced to sign up to and adhere to the kyoto agreement.

After all, if it is a world economy and increasingly the world helps nations out, then the US should look to scaling back its use of fossil fuels and expelling dangerous chemicals into the atmosphere as all the other major countries have done.

Perhaps this is what we get for not signing Kyoto, eh? I mean, our dipshit ambassador to the UN, John Bolton, only wants to cut out the part about "respect for nature" out of a resolution proposed by the UK Ambassador, along with 724 other "Amendments!"

Maybe someday we will learn to respect Momma Nature.

The sad thing is, this can only go one of three ways.

If they do send aid, Usians will say it's either stupid and unneccisary, or that there is an ulteriour motive.

If they do not send aid, then they will say "where were all our friends when we needed them?"

It's a lose lose sitation for the entire world I'm afraid.

ive come to realize that giving to charaty is a middle class way of making a difference. a business helps out people as a whole by giving people what they want and need to survive. many people like me cant run a successful business. so i give to charaty whenever i can. it really all comes down to an emotional device.

and since I am unemployed...and since "home-based typist" sounds RIGHT up my alley...is your company hiring?

Thanks!

I don't want to publicly say who I work for since I have strong opinions that are not reflective of what we do and I couldn't write you personally, but you write me and I'll respond.

A little background. I'm a medical transcriptionist. I type out what the doctors say for the medical charts. We're paid on production and it is, at times, either boring or extremely stressful work (I was directly involved in a patient's care yesterday who had to get flown into the hospital after having a heart attack on the road, and the doctors needed the charts updated immediately, though I hope that everything didn't come to a stop waiting on me, although I am very, very fast and I sent that report flying...

I took a class online to learn the game, and then I took a screening test for my company and was hired within 2 days after graduating the class. It's good work, good pay (if you're fast and accurate), and it has benefits. And you don't have to shower if you don't want to. But it is real work with a real schedule and real time clock and it requires 98% accuracy and being able to type pretty damn fast to even make minimum standards.

Again, write me if you're serious.

I was listening to the radio a few minutes ago and hear people stating that people of the UK had a moral obligation to send aid to the victims of Katrina.

Now how does it come to pass that the riches nation on earth should need the help of the UK? Or does it? Is this not the UK’s charitable spirit run rampant?

I do agree with the EU help the US out by sending them oil. If the US economy suffers too much it may not be a good thing for the EU economy. So not a selfless act but I wonder what strings would be attached if the shoe was on the other foot.

Thanks a lot....we give incredible amounts of money every year to other countries and forgive debts to suffering countries and now people turn around and spit on us..YOu have no idea how bad this castrophe is...this is going to cost over 26 billion dollars to fix. The US would certainly come to the UK's aid dont even doubt that for a second..we arent perfect but we have stepped up to the plate when others were suffering, through voluntary efforts, governments funds, red cross and salvation army agencies as well. So we are the ones hurting now and its tough titties for us ...well thanks a lot ingrates! Oh and Im not speaking to your country in general as Im sure England is being very compassionate and generous to our people. Would you like to give us another kick to knock us all the way down?

The US doesn't need money, it needs manpower.

I agree, and Canada offered to send D.A.R.T to help out, said they were ready, willing and able to be in the air within the hour. Know what the American Homeland security told them? They said they couldn't clear a Canadian federal disaster agency from Canada (which helped during 9/11) to New Orleans until they cleared them through their proper channels. In effect, they said "no thanks" and D.A.R.T is the same agency that helped out big time after 9/11. Boggles the mind. But hey, if they don't need help, who are we to argue.

I agree, and Canada offered to send D.A.R.T to help out, said they were ready, willing and able to be in the air within the hour. Know what the American Homeland security told them? They said they couldn't clear a Canadian federal disaster agency from Canada (which helped during 9/11) to New Orleans until they cleared them through their proper channels. In effect, they said "no thanks" and D.A.R.T is the same agency that helped out big time after 9/11. Boggles the mind. But hey, if they don't need help, who are we to argue.

What's D.A.R.T; is that like thunderbirds?

I'm disappointed in this thread. I can understand bashing the US normally, but damn PEOPLE ARE DIEING OUT THERE!!! Are you assholes so arrogant that you think that because it's the US that these people (Who mostly didn't vote for Bush by the way) deserve to die. I'd like to throw your ass down here with those people and have you tell them that. They'd kill you. And I wouldn't blame them.

What's D.A.R.T; is that like thunderbirds?

D.A.R.T. = The Disaster Assistance Response Team.

Canadian Forces soldiers – is designed to fly into disaster areas around the world to provide drinking water and medical treatment until long-term aid arrives.

What does DART do?

The team has four main goals:

Provide basic medical care: Its tented medical aid station can serve up to 250 outpatients and 10 inpatients a day. The medical platoon treats minor injuries and tries to keep diseases from spreading, but doesn't perform surgeries. The aid station includes a lab, a pharmacy, limited obstetrics services and rehydration and preventative medicine section.


Produce safe drinking water: Water purification staff can produce up to 50,000 litres of potable water a day, as well as chlorinating local wells and monitoring water supplies.


Repair basic infrastructure: Engineers can fix roads and bridges, repair electrical and water supply systems and build refugee camps.


Make communication easier: DART sets up facilities to make communication easier between everyone involved in the relief effort, including the afflicted country, non-governmental organizations.

I agree, and Canada offered to send D.A.R.T to help out, said they were ready, willing and able to be in the air within the hour. Know what the American Homeland security told them? They said they couldn't clear a Canadian federal disaster agency from Canada (which helped during 9/11) to New Orleans until they cleared them through their proper channels. In effect, they said "no thanks" and D.A.R.T is the same agency that helped out big time after 9/11. Boggles the mind. But hey, if they don't need help, who are we to argue.

well yeah. if they let in disaster response teams from other countries, those people would go back and describe in detail how shitty the american idea of disaster response planning is. and that would be embarassing. and we all know that the lives of poor people are worth much less than a bit of embarassment for the state.

I'm disappointed in this thread. I can understand bashing the US normally, but damn PEOPLE ARE DIEING OUT THERE!!! Are you assholes so arrogant that you think that because it's the US that these people (Who mostly didn't vote for Bush by the way) deserve to die. I'd like to throw your ass down here with those people and have you tell them that. They'd kill you. And I wouldn't blame them.

I agree whole-heartedly. Relief for this disaster shouldn't depend on what strings may be attached or how much the world owes the US (which isn't a whole hell of a lot anyway), people should just HELP, regardless of the political implications. My good friend (recently finished his basic training and is now a private in the Canadian reserves) said if he was given the chance, he'd head down there with any detachment that was going, and I am proud of him for that. If I were in a position to help, I would, but unfortunately I'm not. My (ever bleeding) heart goes out to the people of Louisiana.

What's D.A.R.T; is that like thunderbirds?

That's fuckin' hilarious. :D