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I have once. I can see why some people do it. Im wondering how many people out there have ever done it. Whats your view on it? please explain..

this means self-mutilation

Once, when I was drunk

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Are you refering to self-mutilation? Cutting class? Cutting grass? Cutting dem phat beats?

Inquiry: Cut what? :confused:

When I was a teenager, and did too many drugs and drank too much alcohol and basically hated myself and life in general. Yeah. I used to slash my cheeks. I wanted people to see it. It was also a distortion of a traditional practice of signalling grief...but I thought it justified since I lost friend after friend to suicide in those years. It becomes a bit addictive, and I'm glad I'm in the place emotionally where that kind of release is unecessary.

I have never cut, but I have the greatest sympathy for those I do.

Nonetheless, there are times when I find it hard to disagree with the opinion of the guy on bash.org who said:

people who cut themselves
honest to god
what is the point
"oh god i'm so depressed *cut* OOWWWWWW!!!! NOW I'M DEPRESSED AND IN PAIN!!!!!"

I don't get why people do it. But I recognise that things must be pretty bad to do it.

No, never. I used sex as a method of control and escape.

Only thing I've cut is nice fat rails to push. (I was quite the human vacuum cleaner @ one point in my life)

I can understand people who cut, its just not my way of dealing with my pain.

Self-destruction is a strange thing; who am I judge how one goes about it when I once did it in my own way?

I have never cut, but I have the greatest sympathy for those I do.

Nonetheless, there are times when I find it hard to disagree with the opinion of the guy on bash.org who said:



I don't get why people do it. But I recognise that things must be pretty bad to do it.
Sometimes pain is the only thing that reminds you you're still alive.

If you cut...please get help.

I know a girl that cut herself... they got her a psychiatrist for it, he didn't help. She stopped the very day she fired him. :D

I don't have any self-harmful or compulsive behavior, so it is hard to understand the pain that must drive anyone to that behavior. I know no one would do that unless they were very unhappy.

I have a lot of sympathy for anyone who feels badly enough to do that. I would seek help if I felt that way, it would be important for me to learn how what the underlying factors are - and how to change what I could to eliminate it. Please get professional help if you're suffering enough to harm yourself.

I find it kind of interesting, actually. I used to cut myself in different ways just to find out what it feels like, how much blood is lost, and how long it takes to heal. Not because of depression or some form of relief - merely curiosity.

Cutting yourself is stupid and pointless. It is just another step towards suicide for those who don't get help. If you think your life is bad, im sure there's someone else's life who is worse and doesn't feel the need to knife themself and only die sooner.


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Well i guess when im down id have my woman do all sort of sexual things and visa-versa so i guess there are more way to deal with such minor problems in life than using your most precious thing wich is your body to take out your frustrations and fears, how about you try something more thrill seeking so bunjee jumping without being attached to any ropes....that would get you thinking. :gundge:

I find it kind of interesting, actually. I used to cut myself in different ways just to find out what it feels like, how much blood is lost, and how long it takes to heal. Not because of depression or some form of relief - merely curiosity.

And the conclusions? Did you discover that you have a mutant healing factor, much like Wolverine?

Sometimes pain is the only thing that reminds you you're still alive.

If you cut...please get help.

"I hurt myself today/
To see if i still feel/
I focused on the pain/
The only thing thats real.."

Johnny Cash- 'Hurt' (cover of the NIN song)

Very apt.
:(

6 times. Pissed at life. Yea it felt great, but not as good as sex. Giggity.

And the conclusions? Did you discover that you have a mutant healing factor, much like Wolverine?

I found out first hand how fast certain parts of the body heal in relation to others, and the pain that goes along with them. As for a mutant healing factor, no. I wish. It would have shortened the lengthy experiment by a matter of months. :p

P.S. Never cut your dick.

Cut... the cheese? :rolleyes:

No, cutting is seriously silly, how does it help ANYTHING? I really have no sympathy for those that do... maybe it is because everyone I know that does will cut themselves because their parents decided to take away their 50$ allowance (oh boo-hoo not Hot-Topic shopping this week *slice slice* I hate my liffeee! no one understands meeee!)

Cut... the cheese? :rolleyes:

No, cutting is seriously silly, how does it help ANYTHING? I really have no sympathy for those that do... maybe it is because everyone I know that does will cut themselves because their parents decided to take away their 50$ allowance (oh boo-hoo not Hot-Topic shopping this week *slice slice* I hate my liffeee! no one understands meeee!)

I wonder if they'd let me slice 'em up real good. Why waste the finger strength when someone else is willing to stab you? What, too much pain? You don't like that? What's that, did something get in your eye? Hey, come back here, don't run away!

Why would you want to cut yourself when you could cut someone else?

Cutting yourself is stupid and pointless. It is just another step towards suicide for those who don't get help.

Nope: there is no real strong link between self-harm and suicide, in fact many people use it as a way to deal with the stresses and strains that drive others to suicide.

I could definitely be wrong, but I've always perceived "cutting" to be a really self-absorbed activity. Something akin to "oh, poor me..." as the person dwells in self-absorbed sorrow. Why not doing something positive with your life? Get a job or join a club or join a charity or something?

But I'm not a psychologist either.

Cut... the cheese? :rolleyes:

No, cutting is seriously silly, how does it help ANYTHING? I really have no sympathy for those that do... maybe it is because everyone I know that does will cut themselves because their parents decided to take away their 50$ allowance (oh boo-hoo not Hot-Topic shopping this week *slice slice* I hate my liffeee! no one understands meeee!)

This is somewhat similar to how I perceive it. It seems like it just provides a focal point for the person to dwell on their self-imposed misery. Most people are too busy just trying to live to sit around and stew in self-pity.

Once, when I was drunk

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Wow, you really don't like Nazis, do you? :p

I could definitely be wrong, but I've always perceived "cutting" to be a really self-absorbed activity. Something akin to "oh, poor me..." as the person dwells in self-absorbed sorrow. Why not doing something positive with your life? Get a job or join a club or join a charity or something?


You are assuming that those who self-harm don't also do such things, yes?

This is somewhat similar to how I perceive it. It seems like it just provides a focal point for the person to dwell on their self-imposed misery. Most people are too busy just trying to live to sit around and stew in self-pity.

And what if self-harm is a person's route out of misery? If it is their way of reacting to a pressure instead of self-pitying?

I have been depressed, but I never sank that low. My sister did however, and I basically see it as weakness, a cop-out. I have no sympathy or respect...maybe that's not a socially acceptable attitude these days, but I make no apologies for it.

It seems like it just provides a focal point for the person to dwell on their self-imposed misery.

Bingo. Emphasis on the self-imposed.

I once cut an ex girlfriends name into my forearm after we broke up. Oh, how I loved her. Thankfully her name was short-ish..."emma", and its gone by now.

I find it kind of interesting, actually. I used to cut myself in different ways just to find out what it feels like, how much blood is lost, and how long it takes to heal. Not because of depression or some form of relief - merely curiosity.
closest thing i can say to having cut myself would be that i used to purposely get sick by the poisonious plants(not very bad, barely at all, actually), but not cause i was depressed or anything, i was trying to build up an immunity incase i'd ever need one. kindof worked, too.

how idiotic it would be for someone to cut themselves. there is no compassion or pity to be felt for depressed people by anyone, it is their fault! argh! depression is caused by you people's horrible societies and such! a good authoritarian one where people aren't allowed to think in such ignorant manners, and it clears it all up. it's not that common that depression has ever happened in any aboriginal tribes, and they are one of the few good examples of a settled authoritarian society.

Cutting yourself is absolutely pathetic. Everyone has their problems, you are not the only one. Deal with it or go and get help.

Once, when I was drunk

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BOOOOOO!!!

how idiotic it would be for someone to cut themselves. there is no compassion or pity to be felt for depressed people by anyone, it is their fault! argh! depression is caused by you people's horrible societies and such! a good authoritarian one where people aren't allowed to think in such ignorant manners, and it clears it all up. it's not that common that depression has ever happened in any aboriginal tribes, and they are one of the few good examples of a settled authoritarian society.

Even when I try and rearrange the words into coherent sentences, that post still makes no sense to me.

Spoken exactly like people who have never been there. Every single human being has a way of coping with stress and pressure. Be it drinking excessively, smoking, taking drugs, speeding, sex, cutting yourself, whatever. but theres a big difference to cutting yourself to die, and cutting yourself so that you can feel pain. People have this idea that to cut yourself is low and weak and that depression is your own fault (by the way havent you heard of a chemical imbalance?)
I'm not speaking for everyone who does cut - but clearly none of the people who bagged it out have ever been to a place so dark and lonely that nothing else works. That you cant concentrate. That you cant feel happiness anymore. You cant feel joy or see the beauty in anything. It's not your fault it just happens that way - but the prick of a razor blade across your skin..suddenly you can feel again - that single second of stinging pain reminds you that you are in fact alive and that dispair isnt the only thing in your life. Sometimes its that single reminder that gives you the strength to move on with things. Some people are fortunate enough to never have been there. Cutting yourself isnt a good thing - but then neither is drinking or smoking. It's just as self damaging. Think about that next time you hoist a few down at the local.
But seriously - if you do cut yourself you have to realise that there is a problem, you are not alone and no doctor will laugh you off.

Spoken exactly like people who have never been there. Every single human being has a way of coping with stress and pressure. Be it drinking excessively, smoking, taking drugs, speeding, sex, cutting yourself, whatever. but theres a big difference to cutting yourself to die, and cutting yourself so that you can feel pain. People have this idea that to cut yourself is low and weak and that depression is your own fault (by the way havent you heard of a chemical imbalance?)
I'm not speaking for everyone who does cut - but clearly none of the people who bagged it out have ever been to a place so dark and lonely that nothing else works. That you cant concentrate. That you cant feel happiness anymore. You cant feel joy or see the beauty in anything. It's not your fault it just happens that way - but the prick of a razor blade across your skin..suddenly you can feel again - that single second of stinging pain reminds you that you are in fact alive and that dispair isnt the only thing in your life. Sometimes its that single reminder that gives you the strength to move on with things. Some people are fortunate enough to never have been there. Cutting yourself isnt a good thing - but then neither is drinking or smoking. It's just as self damaging. Think about that next time you hoist a few down at the local.
But seriously - if you do cut yourself you have to realise that there is a problem, you are not alone and no doctor will laugh you off.Well said. I've often felt the same way about the people who look down on people who commit suicide. If you've never been at the brink, you can't know what it's like.

Anyway, with regard to the original point, I used to, but I'm in a better place now.

No, never. I used sex as a method of control and escape. I did that, too. I wonder: what is the age of consent in Sweden?

...yes

I hate pain and try to avoid it.

although I know two people who do or have don eit.

my fiancee has cut herself before and has a huge scar on her arm from it. HUGE!

also this guy I know pierces himself all over his body, not to put anything in the pierced parts, but just to um... well he wont tell me why.

Cutting yourself is absolutely pathetic. Everyone has their problems, you are not the only one. Deal with it or go and get help.

Cutting is actually a way of dealing with pain, for me it was the built up frustration of four years. Watching your friend's become assholes, being told your grades arn't good enough when they're an -A, and most of all being the only one who doesn't party every weekend. Eventually I couldn't take it anymore so I simply carved an H into my arm. Now that i look back I don't know why really.

Myself? No. Been cut, yes. I had a friend who would take out her frustration on my arms and she has, very, very sharp nails.

I still have about 5 or 6 semi-circle scars on my arms.

I severely cut my hand recently, severed the nerves, artery and tendon in my thumb.

It was on broken glass and quite by accident.


It is a signal disgrace for a male, upon whom falls the ancesctral obligation to wield arms, to cut himself with a knife.

The way I see it, there are two groups. There is the group of people who do it/have done it for real reasons. Real problems. Then there is the group that does it and flashes it around and says "look at me, life is so hard". However, no one except that person and (if they have one) their doctor are ever in a position to say what category they fall into.

I have done it before. I don't anymore. What I've found over time is everyone, and I mean everyone, I know is self destructive in some way. When you get stressed, and things seem really bad, everyone has an escape. Be it sex, eating, drinking, smoking, speeding, cutting, drugs...pick one. they are all escapes and in excess, none are healthy physically (well, maybe the sex... ;) ) or mentally.

Cutting is a way to deal. the way I saw it, it took a very abstract feeling ("i feel like shit") and made it very definite ("I have a gash on my leg and it hurts") It's very hard to explain.

To anyone who currently does cut, you have a problem, and you know it. Go get help. You'll appreciate it in a few months.

Myself? No. Been cut, yes. I had a friend who would take out her frustration on my arms and she has, very, very sharp nails.

I still have about 5 or 6 semi-circle scars on my arms.

Back in high school, a girl in my AP Art History class would pinch and scratch herself. One day I asked her why, and she demanded to see my arm. She stabbed it with a pencil. That was the last time I saw her.

Back in high school, a girl in my AP Art History class would pinch and scratch herself. One day I asked her why, and she demanded to see my arm. She stabbed it with a pencil. That was the last time I saw her.


I'm sorry but that made me laugh.

I'm sympathetic. No one is going to self-mutilate unless there's something deeply wrong - I don't mean kids playing games of some sort, but serious and frequent self-abuse.

Compulsively causing pain and scarring is a symptom of mental illness or deep unhappiness. People who do that need help.

I'm no psychologist, but I don't think it's a matter of telling them to "snap out of it, pull yourself together, get some self-respect". I have never suffered from such a disorder, nor even depression, so it's hard for me to understand. But I know that it takes a lot for people to cause themselves pain on a regular basis and that it's not normal.

I don't suggest that unconditional sympathy and acceptance is the solution. But a little bit of caring can't hurt, and urging anyone who suffers from this condition to get help is a good idea.

The samurai of Japan were known for a practice called matanuki. It is a bit vague, bit scholars think it involved piercing one's own thigh with a sword or sharp object as a demonstration of courage.

I've whipped myself on the arm with a key chain a couple times. I've heard of plenty reasons why people do things like that, but my personal one was that I needed some sort of physical pain to balance out the emotional pain I was having.

Your traditional true form "cutter" that falls under the stereo-type tend to not just "stop" on their own. Some form of addiction comes along and replaces it.

And let me add in there, that yes. I have cut before, when I was a little younger and didn't feel like spending cash on a piercing I started a tribal design on my chest. Whish didn't work out to well with a dissected bic razor, and lead to me just cutting away randomly since the pain numbs rather quickly.

Took a photo for a friend who wanted to "see what I did". Dunno why I still have it, guess its a reminder of the brief stupidity.

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In a way I think I've kinda filled the void for the time with an addiction to tattoos. On the other hand, I had a full piece in mind when I started these, and its not finished yet. But I've been getting various random stuff done in between pieces, so I guess we have yet to see if I stop when I finish my shoulder piece or not. Or if I go back to piercings.

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I did that, too. I wonder: what is the age of consent in Sweden?

15.

I find it kind of interesting, actually. I used to cut myself in different ways just to find out what it feels like, how much blood is lost, and how long it takes to heal. Not because of depression or some form of relief - merely curiosity.

Ditto.

15.Ah, that explains it. It was much easier for you to have sex than it was for me. :)

*shudders*


hell no

BOOOOOO!!!

Oh boo yourself

When I was in middle and into junior high I would cut my hands. I'd stick the sharp part of a pair of scissors under the skin of my thumb, for example. Nothing to serious though. Oh, and by all means don't ever start cutting. It's a very bad habit.

Ah, that explains it. It was much easier for you to have sex than it was for me. :)

It's always easier for gay men to have sex - we're men, and a lot of the bullshit women and heterosexism put around sex is bypassed.

But the age of consent had very little to do with it. It's not illegal to have sex with people who are close to your age even when you are younger than 15.

I didn't...but mostly because whenever I was down or angry I had music. Playing the drums is a much better release.

I didn't...but mostly because whenever I was down or angry I had music. Playing the drums is a much better release.
heh music and drums do help :)
i've never cut myself, but i have tried to cut... deep and permamently if you know what i'm saying :(

I could definitely be wrong, but I've always perceived "cutting" to be a really self-absorbed activity. Something akin to "oh, poor me..." as the person dwells in self-absorbed sorrow. Why not doing something positive with your life? Get a job or join a club or join a charity or something?


You've just described depression. And 'just doing something positive with your life' isn't really an option when you're in a state like that.

I have been depressed, but I never sank that low. My sister did however, and I basically see it as weakness, a cop-out. I have no sympathy or respect...maybe that's not a socially acceptable attitude these days, but I make no apologies for it.
And you've just described how many people feel about mental illness, including depression.

It's like migraines...unless you've actually HAD one, everything else is just a headache. You can not really understand it.

You've just described depression. And 'just doing something positive with your life' isn't really an option when you're in a state like that.
exactly - its not as easy as just picking yourself up and getting on with life. you may not want to, you may be incapable of doing so, all sorts of things. when you're depressed you don't think rationally like that anyway.

Cutting yourself is absolutely pathetic. Everyone has their problems, you are not the only one. Deal with it or go and get help.
1. Cutting is a coping strategy.

2. It's not a good coping strategy, but neither is drinking, taking drugs, or risk-taking...other common coping strategies people seem to have less problem with.

3. Cutting is often a cry for help from people who don't really know how to verbalise the pain they are in and come out and ASK for help.

4. Everyone has their problems. But no one has YOUR problems, or can really understand them. The best we can do is approximate.

when i'd get cut during a football game, i'd squeeze the area around the cut to maximize the bleeding, then wipe the blood on my face and/or football pants in an attempt to look tough, mean, vicious.

lol

as for cutting myself on purpose, no.

No, I haven't. I know one or two people who do... it can be so difficult to try and help them. I have every sympathy for their situation.

I don't have any self-harmful or compulsive behavior, so it is hard to understand the pain that must drive anyone to that behavior. I know no one would do that unless they were very unhappy.

I have a lot of sympathy for anyone who feels badly enough to do that. I would seek help if I felt that way, it would be important for me to learn how what the underlying factors are - and how to change what I could to eliminate it. Please get professional help if you're suffering enough to harm yourself.

Been there, doing that. And frankly, most psychiatrists are patronising morons, I have read a little upon psychotherapy and the sort, and I a convinced the entire affair is fraudulent. Self-harm is a personal, intimate process, and the presence of a psychiatrist generally is of more detriment than good.

Yes, I used to cut. It was definitely a form of stress release, and it stopped as soon as I eliminated the stress. Unfortunately, getting rid of stress isn't as easy for some people as it was for me; in my case it was connected to social problems, and I just had to stop talking to a couple of people.

And for the brief period where I was still occasionally stressed, I used photos of my cutting as an emotional gauge - if they didn't physically disgust me, I was dangerously close to the mindset where I might cut some more, so I'd stay on my computer and awake (since I'd usually be worst late at night, after going to bed). It was useful realising that people tend to assume they know what's going on in their brain/body, when that might not be true. The brain always tends to assume that it's 'normal', and that something outside it must be causing any problems.

And if this weren't the internet, I'd give cookies (and/or hot chocolate) to all the people connecting cutting to stress relief, rather than to suicide. Hopefully eventually that will become common knowledge; it's only a few steps from realising that to realising that depression is usually caused by hormonal imbalances and not concrete causes (which is part of the illness, in fact, since not knowing what's making you feel sad causes more stress, which causes more depression).

Also, just because this conversation reminded me that I had this quote squirreled away somewhere; it's in response to someone calling suicide 'selfish':

Suicide isn't another selfish act in a long line of selfish acts on that person's part. In fact, one could say it is the FIRST thing somebody tries to do for themself rather than soldiering on for the sake of those around them.
I don't know if I agree with the sentiment completely (my main issue is they ignore the other things said people *could* be doing for themselves, other than attempting suicide... but then, depression tends to be paralysing emotionally so... I don't know), but it did strike a chord at the time I read it. Especially since most of the depressed people I've known have stated that the only reason they haven't attempted suicide is their desire not to hurt the people who they care about.

Anyway, I should be writing an essay, not discussing cutting and whether ID should be taught in schools. Blasted NS >.>

Damn i was sure id posted here.

Yes i have carved words into my Knuckles.
Though i didnt smear Ink into the wound like the Samoans did.

Stupid Teenage Girl: I am depressed. I think I'll slash my wrists.

Where's the fucking logic?!? "Oh, I feel bad so I'm going to hurt myself!" Fucking pussies! I deal with depression and stresss by taking it out on other people, like a real man!

I didn't...but mostly because whenever I was down or angry I had music. Playing the drums is a much better release.

Word.

Cutting, for me at least, was part of a healing process. At the time it was just 'bloody hell, I'm so numb... Did I feel that? Do I feel this!?' but with hindsight, I then had some kind of outward mark, and as the little slicy cuts heals (I only had a SAknife) healed up, my internal barrage healed up too.

Oh, and for anyone planning to (not that I'm advising you to), don't draw blood. It stings like buggery.

Stupid Teenage Girl: I am depressed. I think I'll slash my wrists.

Where's the fucking logic?!? "Oh, I feel bad so I'm going to hurt myself!" Fucking pussies! I deal with depression and stresss by taking it out on other people, like a real man!

well then, there you go. i don't think teenage girls want to be real men. well, at least not most of them....

No. I understand why people do it, though. Come to think of it, I don't actually have a coping mechanism for when i'm down. I usually just bottle it up.

well then, there you go. i don't think teenage girls want to be real men. well, at least not most of them....

If being a "real man" involves taking my anger out on other people, I think I will cut my penis off.

(I know i'm rather glad it doesn't, because i'm quite attached to that part)

Stupid Teenage Girl: I am depressed. I think I'll slash my wrists.

Where's the fucking logic?!? "Oh, I feel bad so I'm going to hurt myself!" Fucking pussies! I deal with depression and stresss by taking it out on other people, like a real man!

Well bully for you, are you not indeed a paragon of masculinity, so insecure in your own emotional capacity to feel anything other than the amount of alcohol you've ingested that you are compelled to impart all ill feeling you possess onto others with your fists. I sincerely hope that one day you die a hideously painful death. :sniper:

Word.

Cutting, for me at least, was part of a healing process. At the time it was just 'bloody hell, I'm so numb... Did I feel that? Do I feel this!?' but with hindsight, I then had some kind of outward mark, and as the little slicy cuts heals (I only had a SAknife) healed up, my internal barrage healed up too.

Oh, and for anyone planning to (not that I'm advising you to), don't draw blood. It stings like buggery.

It does indeed, not a brilliant concept, and incidentally, do try to miss arteries....

Well bully for you, are you not indeed a paragon of masculinity, so insecure in your own emotional capacity to feel anything other than the amount of alcohol you've ingested that you are compelled to impart all ill feeling you possess onto others with your fists. I sincerely hope that one day you die a hideously painful death. :sniper:

Hey, don't slag off on us alcoholics now. We aren't all violent. :p

Hey, don't slag off on us alcoholics now. We aren't all violent. :p

No offence intended, I was implying that the ingrate I quoted has the emotional range of a dead ant. I'mnot adverse to abottle of Vodka myself at points :p

No offence intended, I was implying that the ingrate I quoted has the emotional range of a dead ant. I'mnot adverse to abottle of Vodka myself at points :p

I was tempted to go off at him and tell him what I really thought of that, but best to ignore things like that...

It can get messy and the mods frown on it. :(

By the way, I wasn't offended in the least, hence the :p smiley. :)

Stupid Teenage Girl: I am depressed. I think I'll slash my wrists.

Where's the fucking logic?!? "Oh, I feel bad so I'm going to hurt myself!" Fucking pussies! I deal with depression and stresss by taking it out on other people, like a real man!
Shut up Arse i know someone thats doing it.

Stupid Teenage Girl: I am depressed. I think I'll slash my wrists.

Where's the fucking logic?!? "Oh, I feel bad so I'm going to hurt myself!" Fucking pussies! I deal with depression and stresss by taking it out on other people, like a real man!

I really want to discover where he lives and kick his ass

Spoken exactly like people who have never been there.

To the contrary, I was, for a fair portion of my life, "severly depressed." I didn't solve the depression by fixing the things I thought were making me depressed, it just took some introspection and a change in philosophy. I realize that because it worked for me, doesn't necessarily mean it would work for everyone. But I'd bet that the vast majority of depressed people would suddenly be cured of their "illness" if they just stopped believing they were depressed, and that they were happy.

"Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional." I don't remember who said that, but it is 100% true.