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I've been gone since Monday, no tv, no radio, no computer. I got back and supposedly, there is rioting in New Orleans and the government is saying New Orleans will not be rebuilt. And they are sending in troops.
What the fuck happened?

Looting, police being ambushed. Even US military personnel have been attacked. WTF?

nature happened, and it happened at its most devasting

A category 5 Huricane tore down some levies and the city flooded.

Wasn't that last week? why is it just now falling apart?

The biggest US military response to a natural disaster on US territory. Was there another hurrican this week?

I've been gone since Monday, no tv, no radio, no computer. I got back and supposedly, there is rioting in New Orleans and the government is saying New Orleans will not be rebuilt. And they are sending in troops.
What the fuck happened?

It looked as though the hurricane wouldn't touch New Orleans, but it hit it from the North.

And there has been looting and the Police have been trying to evacuate people, stop looting, prevent riots, etc.

I seriously doubt the American government will not rebuild New Orleans, unless it is so devestated that the land is unsuitable for building on, or something like that.

A massive hurricane shot through the south. The hurricane destroyed ALOT of New Orleans, and the people left there rioted. Peace is a problem because there simply aren't enough guardsmen left to be everywhere. Sooo that is what happened, a hurricane and not enough time to restore the peace yet.

It looked as though the hurricane wouldn't touch New Orleans, but it hit it from the North.

And there has been looting and the Police have been trying to evacuate people, stop looting, prevent riots, etc.

I seriously doubt the American government will not rebuild New Orleans, unless it is so devestated that the land is unsuitable for building on, or something like that.
Was this the same one as last week or a different one?

Also, they are saying the land is unsuitable for rebuilding.

A massive hurricane shot through the south. The hurricane destroyed ALOT of New Orleans, and the people left there rioted. Peace is a problem because there simply aren't enough guardsmen left to be everywhere. Sooo that is what happened, a hurricane and not enough time to restore the peace yet.
When did this hurrican happen?

Holy shit, they've counted 158 gang rapes since this disaster happened.

The biggest US military response to a natural disaster on US territory. Was there another hurrican this week?
No. The fact that New Orleans is 2 metres below the level of a massive lake nearby and the mississippi (I think) in normal conditions, is surrounded on three sides by water and just suffered one bitch of a hurricane meant that levies broke and the city is submerged up to 20ft in places. Plus, some people will take any opportunity of free stuff.

Plus, I don't see how the land could get much worse. The BBC tells me that New Orleans folk don't bury their dead because the ground is so waterlogged.

When did this hurrican happen?
Like Monday or something. It's name was Katrina.

No. The fact that New Orleans is 2 metres below the level of a massive lake nearby and the mississippi (I think) in normal conditions, is surrounded on three sides by water and just suffered one bitch of a hurricane meant that levies broke and the city is submerged up to 20ft in places. Plus, some people will take any opportunity of free stuff.

Plus, I don't see how the land could get much worse. The BBC tells me that New Orleans folk don't bury their dead because the ground is so waterlogged.
Does that explain the gang rapes. Look at this, they're saying a 12 year old girl was assaulted by 30 guys. Is New Orleans a city of thugs?

Holy shit, they've counted 158 gang rapes since this disaster happened.
Jesus. That's just completely fucked up. Not only is your house floating down the street, but you've got to make sure your neighbors don't gang-rape your wife or daughter.

All the civilised people left before Katrina hit and all the vandals stayed behind thinking they could ransack the place and get away with it after they survive the hurricane. These vandals are stupid, so after the fun was over, they didn't want it to end and they are getting frustrated.

That's my theory.

Holy shit, they've counted 158 gang rapes since this disaster happened.

god, i bet that gang are enjoying themselves.

can't say the same for the victim

what needs to be done, is a curfew, martial law. And an order to shoot on site any one violating the curfew without a good reason. If the people doing this are the criminals who chose to stay behind to steal, vandalize and victimize, that is what should be done.

The fact is - the channel of the Mississippi was strengthened and the levees were raised in response to the last great flood. The channel was straightened and the surface area of the channel was smoothed in order to decrease the lag time and increase the flow rate - allowing more water to move downstream at a faster velocity in order to move larger volumes away from the so-called 'danger spots' upstream where the levees were weakened.

However, the effect of a hurricane on the levees downstream was not taken into consideration. So - there's Katrina putting a helluva lot of strain on levees which are already weakened around New Orleans due to the increased pressure from the increased water volume passing by the levees (because of the channel straightening upstream). The flood protection around New Orleans gave way and, as the city is in a basin, the water simply poured into the city and flooded around 4/5th of it in a short space of time.

Like Monday or something. It's name was Katrina.
Wait a minute, but Katrina wasn't really that bad. I thought there was another. You mean it came back with fury?

How many deaths?

Wait a minute, but Katrina wasn't really that bad. I thought there was another. You mean it came back with fury?
Katrina was category 5 when it made landfall, then weakened quickly after. unfortunately it made landfall right at southern Louisiana.

Wait a minute, but Katrina wasn't really that bad. I thought there was another. You mean it came back with fury?

Only the eastern edge of the city actually got hit by it. So at first it didn't seem so bad, but the rising water from the hurricane caused the most damage, as opposed to the usually deadly 150+mph winds.

Does that explain the gang rapes. Look at this, they're saying a 12 year old girl was assaulted by 30 guys. Is New Orleans a city of thugs?
Downward spirals and all that. Once people realise that there are always more people than police (you may laugh, but that often requires some serious thinking) and the situation is made worse by flooding or whatever, some people no longer feel the need to adhere to the de jure system. Left with de facto guidance, some people can sink to incredible depths as long as they believe there is no immediate chance of reprisals. I suppose that the greater the reduction of de jure control, the more likely it is that these horrific things will happen. Some might use it as an argument against anarchy as a satisfactory ideological standpoint. I just call it fucking sick.

Wait a minute, but Katrina wasn't really that bad. I thought there was another. You mean it came back with fury?
Catagory one when it hit tampa/miami, and they were pretty devastated. It was swinging into the gulf when you left, most likely, and was projected to strengthen and swing into the other side of florida, but it never turned and instead went full force into NO.

THey are saying to expect gas shortages. All gas refineries in the south have been shut down due to the disaster.
Gas rationing is going to go into effect.
Bush: "Do not buy gas unless you absolutely need it."
They are also talking about a major nationwide economic disruption, possibly lots of people losing jobs and businesses shutting down.
Just when we was getting out of the last one.

Apparently not even the mighty United States can't beat God.

The gas shortage is expected to last for many weeks.

If god did this then god's a piece of shit and I want to have a talk with him. Lucky for him he doesn't exist or he'd have to deal with me.
EDIT: Dude, you said it and it's true. No one could truly think that a benevolent being would help this happen. Unless they were very Old Testament 'wrath of God' types, in which case he isn't too benevolent.

Bush: "Katrina worst natural disaster in US history"
"It will take at least a month for the water to get out of New Orleans before reconstruction can even start."
"Thousands of Amercans are dead."
"Recovery is going to take years."
"A fleet of buses is being sent to evac thousands survivors from New Orleans to Houston."
"We are attempting to alleviate the gas shortage by taking out loans to purchase more gas."

Bush abruptly ended his vacation to tour the devastated area.

"It's totally wiped out." Bush, after seeing the destruction.

More here:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9132021/

Enviromental standards are also being relaxed in response to the disaster.

what needs to be done, is a curfew, martial law. And an order to shoot on site any one violating the curfew without a good reason. If the people doing this are the criminals who chose to stay behind to steal, vandalize and victimize, that is what should be done.

They've got a curfew and martial law has been declared. The shoot on sight is a bit trickier, as many people are genuinely trapped, innocent people. Even some of the looters are just doing it for food for them and their family

Rapists, on the other hand, should be tortured to death. "Yes, let's take advantage of a tragedy to gang rape children who have already lost everything."

The biggest problem is that it is illegal for the United States Armed Forces (minus the National Guard) to intervene in a civilian crisis inside the United States, there are pockets in the city where rescue workers can not reach because they are being fired upon and the people most able to counter this threat are forbidden by US law from taking action. Ruscue helicopters have ben fired upon from the ground. The National Guard will be forced to deal with these people but they are already stressed by the War on Terror. 56,000 Troops are being sent to Louisiana to help get people out of New Orleans and sent to Baton Rouge, Houston and other cities through out the south. Gas prices will sky rocket over the next several days, already it has hit $3 a gallon in South Dakota, about as far away as you can get from any source of oil. The United Nations has said that the cost of Hurricane Katina will exceed the cost of the Tsunami because so much of out infastructure ran through New Orleans, I believe anywhere from 1/3 to 1/2 of our oil came in thru New Orleans. Busses are transporting people out of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama to the Houston Astrodome. If you have not seen some of the damage done to the Gulf Coast just imagine what the Tsunami did to Southeast Asia, town have been wiped off the map with little to nothing still standing.

Holy shit, they've counted 158 gang rapes since this disaster happened.


Guys, settle down just a little bit. Don't get hysterical. This number can't be verifiable. They can't count the dead bodies, they can't count the number of people in the city, and until this morning, they weren't even trying to interfere with the looting because trying to find survivors was the priority. There are no phones or electricity. There is absolutely no way that anyone could keep a running tally of gang rapes under these circumstances.

It's bad there, but it could still be worse. The National Guard has arrived and continues to move troops into the city. The logistics are a nightmare, but people are slowly being relocated and relief workers have started to arrive. The Federal Emergency Agency is there are continues sending people there, as have the Salvation Army and the Red Cross. It'll take a few days, but people are getting out and the city is getting back under control.

"With thousands feared drowned in what could be America’s deadliest natural disaster in a century, New Orleans’ leaders all but surrendered the streets to floodwaters and began turning out the lights on the ruined city — perhaps for months.

Nagin called for an all-out evacuation of the city’s remaining residents. Asked how many people died, he said: “Minimum, hundreds. Most likely, thousands.”"

"authorities drew up plans to clear out the tens of thousands of remaining people and practically abandon the below-sea-level city.

Nagin said there will be a “total evacuation of the city. We have to. The city will not be functional for two or three months.” And he said people would not be allowed back into their homes for at least a month or two.

If the mayor’s death-toll estimate holds true, it would make Katrina the worst natural disaster in the United States since at least the 1906 San Francisco earthquake and fire, which have blamed for anywhere from about 500 to 6,000 deaths. Katrina would also be the nation’s deadliest hurricane since 1900, when a storm in Galveston, Texas, killed between 6,000 and 12,000 people."

"a man fatally shot his sister in the head over a bag of ice in Hattiesburg, Miss."

"The federal government dispatched helicopters, warships and elite SEAL water-rescue teams in one of the biggest relief operations in U.S. history, aimed at plucking residents from rooftops in the last of the “golden 72 hours” rescuers say is crucial to saving lives.

As fires burned from broken natural-gas mains, the skies above the city buzzed with National Guard and Coast Guard helicopters frantically dropping baskets to roofs where victims had been stranded since the storm roared in with a 145-mph fury Monday. Atop one apartment building, two children held up a giant sign scrawled with the words: “Help us!”"

n addition to the Astrodome solution, the Federal Emergency Management Agency was considering putting people on cruise ships, in tent cities, mobile home parks, and so-called floating dormitories.

In Washington, the Bush administration decided to release crude oil from the federal petroleum reserves after Katrina knocked out 95 percent of the Gulf of Mexico’s output. But because of the disruptions and damage to the refineries, gasoline prices surged above $3 a gallon in many parts of the country.

State officials said Nagin’s guess of thousands dead seemed plausible.

From ealier link.

what needs to be done, is a curfew, martial law. And an order to shoot on site any one violating the curfew without a good reason. If the people doing this are the criminals who chose to stay behind to steal, vandalize and victimize, that is what should be done.

many of the people left just couldn't get out for many reasons. A curfew is pointless. A curfew tells you to go home at a certain time. When 80% of the city is under water, and a major hurricane swept through destroying buildings, I'd say sending people home might not work

many of the people left just couldn't get out for many reasons. A curfew is pointless. A curfew tells you to go home at a certain time. When 80% of the city is under water, and a major hurricane swept through destroying buildings, I'd say sending people home might not work
Where the heck did you hear that? That's not what a curfew is. A curfew just says you can't be out on the streets. You can be in the astrodome (or what ever ti is), you can be in a business, etc. You just can't be out on the streets.

What needs to be done is being done. This is an extremely difficult process, and is definitely going to require time. Once the Army Engineers get the breeches fixed they will start pumping out the water. Hopefully at the same time the 12,000 National Guardsmen called up, and perhaps even the 40,000 recently requested will begin to move in the city to restore order.

The only suggestion I have is to get some Marine Corps AAVs and maybe even LAVs to help with the evacuation of the more inaccessible areas of the city. The presence of some mean green armoured amphibians ought to restore some semblence of order. But then again I could be simply letting my affection for the Corps get the better of logic.

What needs to be done is being done. This is an extremely difficult process, and is definitely going to require time. Once the Army Engineers get the breeches fixed they will start pumping out the water. Hopefully at the same time the 12,000 National Guardsmen called up, and perhaps even the 40,000 recently requested will begin to move in the city to restore order.

The only suggestion I have is to get some Marine Corps AAVs and maybe even LAVs to help with the evacuation of the more inaccessible areas of the city. The presence of some mean green armoured amphibians ought to restore some semblence of order. But then again I could be simply letting my affection for the Corps get the better of logic.
Why not? It worked in Los Angeles in 92.

Looting, police being ambushed. Even US military personnel have been attacked. WTF?


wow... it' sad to see such a big city to go down like that....

If things continue to degenerate in Louisiana and Mississippi, who has the power to declare martial law?

Is it the states' rights (governors) or federal jurisdiction (president/attorney general)?

I've been gone since Monday, no tv, no radio, no computer. I got back and supposedly, there is rioting in New Orleans and the government is saying New Orleans will not be rebuilt. And they are sending in troops.
What the fuck happened?

You ever see Oil Storm on FX???
It has begun :( :( :(

I say all people who commit murders and rapes should be shot dead. There should be no trial because this is martial law. They should be shot on sight.

Oh and that show, Oil Storm is bullshit. Don't quote it please. There is plenty of capacity in Saudi Arabia.

I live in Raleigh, North Carolina, and they won't let us pump more than ten dollars worth of gas into our car at a time. Gas is forecast to go above 4 dollars per gallon. Jobs will be lost. BUT we will NOT be in an "OILSTORM" situation! Period. We will be ok! We need to conserve gas, and stick together, quit blaming people and start suggesting solutions. If we act like civilized humans, we will be FINE. If we act like animals (looters, rapists, politicians) we are in trouble!

was the politicians comment too much? :headbang:

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