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I think I know who's responsible for the political assholery that's dividing our nation and preventing progress. It's two guys. Richard Mellon Scaife on the conservative side and George Soros on the liberal side. Both bankroll politicians and fund partisan disinformation. As both have become more involved over the years our nation has become more shrill and angry.

What are your thoughts?

I blame desegregation

Humans. And Republicans.


:D

Seriously though, complete idiots.

I think I know who's responsible for the political assholery that's dividing our nation and preventing progress. It's two guys. Richard Mellon Scaife on the conservative side and George Soros on the liberal side. Both bankroll politicians and fund partisan disinformation. As both have become more involved over the years our nation has become more shrill and angry.

What are your thoughts?

Same as yours. Once we shut these two people up along with everyone else, we might get politics back to normal in this country. Unfortunately, you'll find assholes like this no matter what.

Who's screwing the US? Yo mamma. :p

I think I know who's responsible for the political assholery that's dividing our nation and preventing progress. It's two guys. Richard Mellon Scaife on the conservative side and George Soros on the liberal side. Both bankroll politicians and fund partisan disinformation. As both have become more involved over the years our nation has become more shrill and angry.

What are your thoughts?

i'm still trying to get over the shock that there is a rich person who is a democrat. hehe (the kennedys were lawyers, right? Lawyers are democrats generally and don't count in my analysis).

as for who's screwing the US... I don't think we're screwed. we're dealing with a divisive issue right now (Iraq) ,... we've dealt with this before and come out okay. We'll do it again. Of course, the Iraqis could help out quite a bit by moving the constitution-making process along.

I have two words for you: Religious Right.

The bible belt imo.

To be more specific anyone who still sees the world base on theological perspective rather than a metaphysical one.

I have two words for you: Religious Right.

I agree.

Marxists, anarchists, and other dregs of society.

Marxists, anarchists, and other dregs of society.

I don't really think they can be screwing it up, they have little to no influence in America. Please try again.

I think I know who's responsible for the political assholery that's dividing our nation and preventing progress. It's two guys. Richard Mellon Scaife on the conservative side and George Soros on the liberal side. Both bankroll politicians and fund partisan disinformation. As both have become more involved over the years our nation has become more shrill and angry.

What are your thoughts?

I couldn't agree more, both of them should be publicly blackballed and their assets should be frozen. Soros should be exiled.

I have two words for you: Religious Right.
But wouldn't those people be marginalized if Scaife, Rove and their ilk didn't pander to them to get votes at the expense of our constitutional principles?

Materialism. It's going to fuck the world one day.

When the country is run by the rich you know exactly who it is being run for. And, as a quick hint, it ain't for those on 10 000 pa.

George W. Bush, Congress, lobbyists, corporations, alcohol, smoking, drugs, stupidity, capitalists, and arrogance.

The (ahem) 'Lizard People'.

the person selling gasoline...

I think I know who's responsible for the political assholery that's dividing our nation and preventing progress. It's two guys. Richard Mellon Scaife on the conservative side and George Soros on the liberal side. Both bankroll politicians and fund partisan disinformation. As both have become more involved over the years our nation has become more shrill and angry.

What are your thoughts?
1) Wingnuts.
2) The Democratic Party, for being so stupid and incompetant that the wingnuts CONTINUE TO BE IN POWER.
3) Religion.
4) "Tradition." In America, "tradition" means: "The irrational desire to return America to glory days that never actually existed, by taking rights away from women, minories, secular citizens, and gay people."

What is destroying America is the liberal left and their refusal to be anything but skeptical. Not to mention a general lack of adherence to morals and principals. It started when they outlawed prayer in schools. That's where America took it's downward spiral. Skepticism and greed will one day blow up the world.

4) "Tradition." In America, "tradition" means: "The irrational desire to return America to glory days that never actually existed, by taking rights away from women, minories, secular citizens, and gay people."

Bingo.

Who's screwing up the USA?




Me :D

What is destroying America is the liberal left and their refusal to be anything but skeptical. Not to mention a general lack of adherence to morals and principals. It started when they outlawed prayer in schools. That's where America took it's downward spiral. Skepticism and greed will one day blow up the world.
Yeah, that's it. If our students all just ask the invisible man in the sky to fix our country we won't have to lift a finger. That makes a whole lot of sense. Skepticism isnt' the problem, gullibility is.

Anyone gullible enough to think that Saddam would have the balls to attack the USA and therefore backed the invasion of Iraq, you're part of the problem with this country. Anyone skeptical enough to know better, you're part of the solution.

I couldn't agree more, both of them should be publicly blackballed and their assets should be frozen. Soros should be exiled.
I understand this is your opinion and I don't want to discuss if it's right or wrong but... why the double standard? Why should one be exiled and not the other?

I have two words for you: Religious Right.

i have two words for you:

political correctness

this nation has been pussified.

but really, there has ALWAYS been the struggle between those who base their "worldview" (lol) on their religion, and those who base it on science... this is nothing new.

and those who think that George W. Bush is the first Christian president of the USA should read some of Abe Lincoln's letters... I suggest reading Memoirs of Ulysses S. Grant as well.

i'm still trying to get over the shock that there is a rich person who is a democrat.
What's shocking about a rich person being a Democrat? They're a big business party just like the Republicans.

i have two words for you:

political correctness

this nation has been pussified.

but really, there has ALWAYS been the struggle between those who base their "worldview" (lol) on their religion, and those who base it on science... this is nothing new.
I agree, PC in America is ridiculous.

Political correctness vs. Religious Right

It's both a case of lobby groups working to take away civil rights. People naturally hate them. But what is rarely discussed is the Political correctness of the Religious Right. It's not just a "liberal" phenomenon. For example, I cite the case of those Christian groups trying to ban Spongebob Squarepants and other cartoons for what they (but no one else) percieve as references to homosexuality.

What is destroying America is the liberal left and their refusal to be anything but skeptical. Not to mention a general lack of adherence to morals and principals. It started when they outlawed prayer in schools. That's where America took it's downward spiral. Skepticism and greed will one day blow up the world.
The left certainly has its principles, how do you not see that? If you have a problem with greed, blame the right wing capitalists.

and those who think that George W. Bush is the first Christian president of the USA...
Is there honestly anybody who thinks this? America is a majority Christian country, and it always has been.

Who isn't screwing up the US?

The citizens are by putting up with all this crap. The politicians are since they are so disconnected from the citizens.

I can think of two things that are screwing up America:
-The lack of open-mindedness. I'm a liberal-centrist who sides with conservatives on a few issues here and there, and I will always enjoy an intelligent conversation with an intelligent conservative. However, when we are drilled with the likes of, say Ann Coulter, it becomes difficult to be open to new ideas.
-The Media. Thanks to the abolishment of the Fairness Doctrine, we have media that focuses more on hollywood and surgery than current events. When they do talk about something important, it is often discussed with a bias (both sides). How can we expect to become a well-educated and thoughtful society with a media that constantly degrades in quality?

The problem lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Half the time anyway.

i have two words for you:

political correctness

this nation has been pussified.

but really, there has ALWAYS been the struggle between those who base their "worldview" (lol) on their religion, and those who base it on science... this is nothing new.

I have to agree with this view. Political Correctness is screwing over my nation.

George W. Bush, Congress, lobbyists, corporations, alcohol, smoking, drugs, stupidity, capitalists, and arrogance.

In other words, (and to quote Pogo) "We have seen the enemy, and he is us".

Also, let's not forget PETA, welfare, communists, Californian jurors, ebonics, political correctness, SUVs, the Department of Education, pundits on both sides of the aisle, and Supreme Court Justice David Souter.

Hey the communists are helping America by actually caring for its citizens instead of making money.

The fact we're paying the President MONEY. We should just give him housing and pay his bills from before and during office, he should get no direct profit from it. That way we'll get Presidents who are responsible and want to serve the nation, not themselves.

The fact we're paying the President MONEY. We should just give him housing and pay his bills from before and during office, he should get no direct profit from it. That way we'll get Presidents who are responsible and want to serve the nation, not themselves.

You have to pay the President of the United States. If you don't then no one will take the job. Then we'll have anarchy and that is never a good thing.

The fact we're paying the President MONEY. We should just give him housing and pay his bills from before and during office, he should get no direct profit from it. That way we'll get Presidents who are responsible and want to serve the nation, not themselves.

I'm more concerned with congress than the president...they almost all get reelected until retirement ad vote themselves a raise each session.

Environmentalists and Nature. When the green people get their way, that's when Mother Nature strikes.

The poor.

who is screwing up the USA?

I am gonna have to say the ACLU or maybe certain supreme court judges?
yeah.... that's it final answer

This should have been turned into a poll.

Hey the communists are helping America by actually caring for its citizens instead of making money.

The fact that one doesn't make money does not mean that one is helping America. What's better, a company that employes 100 people, or some guy on 42nd street talking about how we need to overthrow capitalism?

I'll take the capitalism, thanks. I can't think of a single Communist benefactor/relief agency... except for the Unions, and they're for profit. :D

One word answer: Government

But if you look more closely it isn't the government at all is it? It's the IDIOTS that vote for these people!

Liberals, the ACLU and anyone who dosent support guns :sniper: :)
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Uhhh... the communists helped end segregation and racism. The founder of the NAACP was a communist, and the Communist Party of America is spreading awareness trhoughout the country.

Well, off the top of my head...Michael Moore, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly (I had to hear him on the TV while I was eating my dinner...damn pizza place), gas companies, car companies who aren't initiating a quicker switch to cheaper, healthier fuel sources, Karl Rove, The Democratic Party, the Republican Party, the Religious Right, capitalists, communists, congress, Dick Cheyney, Ann Coulter, Fringe liberals, the Green Party...I know I'm missing a lot...and many of these have been said.

I believe that communism is a good idea in theory but people are too greedy and lazy by definition so therefore it will not work, particularly in the states due to the fact of increased wealth in many of it's citizens.

I think it's stupid to accept negative qualities as human nature. If we believe we're better than the animals, we should implement a fairer system i.e. communism. Just saying "people are lazy and cruel, live with it" isn't a very good excuse.

The fact we're paying the President MONEY. We should just give him housing and pay his bills from before and during office, he should get no direct profit from it. That way we'll get Presidents who are responsible and want to serve the nation, not themselves.

Even though the candidate pays uses very little of his own money while campaigning, a presidential candidate spends more money for election/ reelection then they'd make in four to eight years.

The politicians are motivated by power, not greed.

As for who's screwing up the country: the religious right for trying to turn us into Jesus Land, and Howard Dean for insulting potential voters and hurting the religious rights main opposition. (He said the Republicans were a white Christian party while he himself a white Christian and so are the majority of Americans! Could he say anything stupider?)

People do not try to better themselves. Leaving it at that was not my suggestion but at times I would love it to by my suggestion because of my lack of patience with humanity. I myself am no better but I still am disgusted by the same traits within my fellow human beings

I say the problem lies within our education. We're taught that mediocracy is o.k., we're constantly reminded to blend in, and we value athletics over academics. We really need better schools. We're not taught to change the world, we're tuaght to claw our way up the social ladder and step on anyone in our path, or be lazy.

I say the problem lies within our education. We're taught that mediocracy is o.k., we're constantly reminded to blend in, and we value athletics over academics. We really need better schools. We're not taught to change the world, we're tuaght to claw our way up the social ladder and step on anyone in our path, or be lazy.

First accurate thing you said in this thread. We really do need better schools but they shouldn't teach communism. We all know that communism doesn't work and that capitalism i s the best system of economic we have right now.

We all know that capitlism will collapse and be replaced by a system which distributes the welath more evenly, and prevents the creation of an all-powerful ruling class.

I think socialism (not communism) is the best system we have AT THE MOMENT, and communism cannot be implemented until socailsim suceeds in a major country.

We all know that capitlism will collapse and be replaced by a system which distributes the welath more evenly, and prevents the creation of an all-powerful ruling class.

Which is basically communism? Communism always looks good on paper, but it never will amount to long lasting government. The fact that it is so economically controlling is it's downfall, people don't like to be controlled in that many aspects of their lives. In my opinion, no one is screwing up the USA. Capitalism gives everyone an equal oppurtunity to become succesful. If the USA were to suddenly switch economic sytems, it would be complete disaster.

who is screwing up the USA?

I am gonna have to say the ACLU or maybe certain supreme court judges?
yeah.... that's it final answer
I think you're overestimating the ACLU's influence, and also diverting the responsability from those that are in power.

Wow, where to start:

Republicans: "Durrrr, I believe in free markets but not in personal freedoms in the privacy of your own home!"

Democrats: "Durrr, I believe in a strict interpretation of rights and freedoms, except the freedom to keep property or to defend it."

Socialists: "It's not fair that some people own mansions and other people live in apartments! That's not fair! Instead, I propose that everyone should live in mud hovels. That's equality in action!"

PETA: . . . I'm kidding of course. No one takes PETA seriously.

I think you're overestimating the ACLU's influence, and also diverting the responsability from those that are in power.
I have had many personal experiences with the ACLU, and I feel comfortable enough to say that I do believe they (as an organization) are screwing up the country.
As far as diverting the responsibility from those that are in power... could you elaborate on that point? I would like to better understand what you mean.

As far as diverting the responsibility from those that are in power... could you elaborate on that point? I would like to better understand what you mean.I do believe it's in plain english. I have accused you of diverting political responsability for (thread title) screwing up the USA, from the democratically elected leaders, (senate, house of representatives, whitehouse, etc, etc,) and pushed it onto a rather amusing civil rights movement that has little or no power in comparison to those that are in power.

I think it's stupid to accept negative qualities as human nature. If we believe we're better than the animals, we should implement a fairer system i.e. communism. Just saying "people are lazy and cruel, live with it" isn't a very good excuse.
Unfortunately for you we know that human nature is to a great extent genetically determined. Read Steven Pinker's book The Blank Slate. He makes a great argument for much of our personalities and the attitudes prevalent in humans being determined by our genes. Communism can't defeat science.

I do believe it's in plain english. I have accused you of diverting political responsability for (thread title) screwing up the USA, from the democratically elected leaders, (senate, house of representatives, whitehouse, etc, etc,) and pushed it onto a rather amusing civil rights movement that has little or no power in comparison to those that are in power.
oh, now I get it. The question wasn't who in politics is screwing up the us but who is screwing up the us? I assumed that I could answer outside the elected officials. In my opinion the ACLU isn't really all that interested in civil rights but are more interested in pushing thier agenda.
If I had to pick an elected official that I could blame some of America's problems on it would have to be Hillary Clinton, but she is just the tio of the iceburg, to list all of the politicians I have problems with would take hours.

We all know that capitlism will collapse and be replaced by a system which distributes the welath more evenly, and prevents the creation of an all-powerful ruling class.
Yeah, well regulated capitalism.

Who's not screwing up the USA would be a shorter list.

oh, now I get it. The question wasn't who in politics is screwing up the us but who is screwing up the us? I assumed that I could answer outside the elected officials. In my opinion the ACLU isn't really all that interested in civil rights but are more interested in pushing thier agenda. Their agend is civil rights. At least their interpretation of civil rights.

If I had to pick an elected official that I could blame some of America's problems on it would have to be Hillary Clinton, but she is just the tio of the iceburg, to list all of the politicians I have problems with would take hours.I'm sorry but Hillary is just a senator. The senate and the house both have Republican majorities. Blaming the minorities or political enemies is just blatant fascist like tactics.

The problem lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Half the time anyway.

I would like to put all the blame on George Bush, but then I would be giving the idiot too much credit. He's just a Republican puppet. He was a mediocre student and a mediocre businessman with no government experience, yet his first office is the highest office of state government. People attribute this to the good name he had made as owner of the Texas Rangers Baseball team, wich is bullcrap since he was only a minor (less than 5%) owner of that team. Republicans, if anything, are great strategists, the best chess players, especially in politics. Bush is where he is today because the same puppet masters that controlled his daddy are also controlling him. Ask yourself, how can such a lousy communicator become the president of the United States? You can't honestly believe that it's his image as just a "regular guy" that makes hime an attractive candidate. There is nothing "regular" about him.
I know these criticisms have been around for a while but chew on this (http://monkeydyne.com/bushresume/resume.html)
or how about this (http://www.veteransforpeace.org/GW_Bush_resume_050103.htm)

Well regulated capitalism is new-age socialism. Everyone receives a bare minimum for working, but some can get rich if they work harder, taxes are higher to provide everybody with health care and education, and vital parts of the economy such as air travel and agriculture are run by the state.

I would like to put all the blame on George Bush, but then I would be giving the idiot too much credit. He's just a Republican puppet. He was a mediocre student and a mediocre businessman with no government experience, yet his first office is the highest office of state government. People attribute this to the good name he had made as owner of the Texas Rangers Baseball team, wich is bullcrap since he was only a minor (less than 5%) owner of that team. Republicans, if anything, are great strategists, the best chess players, especially in politics. Bush is where he is today because the same puppet masters that controlled his daddy are also controlling him. Ask yourself, how can such a lousy communicator become the president of the United States? You can't honestly believe that it's his image as just a "regular guy" that makes hime an attractive candidate. There is nothing "regular" about him.
I know these criticisms have been around for a while but chew on this (http://monkeydyne.com/bushresume/resume.html)
or how about this (http://www.veteransforpeace.org/GW_Bush_resume_050103.htm)
Karl Rove and Richard Mellon Scaife have worked to make him look like a "regular guy" so that the American people will like him.

The problem can't be thrown on individuals of either side. The problem with American society is that it is too polarized as a whole, that it has become socially acceptable to hate, disbelieve, and ignore the other side. Highly partisan individuals gaining so much attention in their respective audience is a symptom of the problem and not its cause.

I can't believe no-one's given Rupert Murdoch at least a passing mention.

"The problem with American society is that it is too polarized as a whole, that it has become socially acceptable to hate, disbelieve, and ignore the other side."

Exactly. As a result of our education or lack of it.

Their agend is civil rights. At least their interpretation of civil rights.

I'm sorry but Hillary is just a senator. The senate and the house both have Republican majorities. Blaming the minorities or political enemies is just blatant fascist like tactics.
I am not so sure thier agenda is civil rights anymnre. I think that they are in with people who either hate america or really don't care what is best for america.

I am not blaming minorities or political enimies. I don't have political enimies. Hillary's entire world veiw bothers me "it takes a villiage" yeah right, it takes parents to stand up and raise thier kids. She and her kind are trying to put government where it just doesn't belong.