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As children throughout the country head back to school, many of them are probably muttering a few choice words about the prospect of returning to the classroom and the expected onslaught of homework. But can they utter those choice words and swear at their teachers? If they’re heading back to school in one town in England, then yes, they can.

According to a report in the U.K.’s Daily Mail, one school in the town of Wellingborough is allowing pupils to swear at teachers, providing they only do so no more than five times in a class. A tally of how many times the f-word is used will be kept and if the class exceeds the limit, they will be “spoken” to, the newspaper reported.

The school believes the policy will improve behavior, but parents and parliamentary members have condemned the rule and warned it would backfire.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9132814/

What do you all think about this? Personally i think it will get out of hand and will cause more trouble than good...

whatever happened to decency. People shouldn't be swearing at all ever.

Note: Yes I swear too, but that doesn't mean my point is any less true. Besides, if I never swore, I'd be much happier with myself.

If this means swearing specifically at teachers rather than swearing casually, I think it is a bad idea. Teachers must be allowed to maintain respect, and allowing pupils to cuss them out would be harmful to the classroom.

As for swearing casually, I think that the freedom of speech protects your right to speaking your ideas, not to uttering expletives.

It definatley will cause more trouble than good. Giving kids a swearing quota won't stop them, it'll just encourage more of it. This plan makes no sense.

Meh. You should be able to swear all you want, but at the teachers? no.

Okay… swearing isn't really that bad… especially if it's justified by crushing a part of yourself or something. But swearing at teachers? Zero tolerance. ZERO TOLERANCE. Get some decency back into this country… or your country, or whatever.

If this means swearing specifically at teachers rather than swearing casually, I think it is a bad idea. Teachers must be allowed to maintain respect, and allowing pupils to cuss them out would be harmful to the classroom.

As for swearing casually, I think that the freedom of speech protects your right to speaking your ideas, not to uttering expletives.

thats my perspective too. teachers that are being insulted by students cussing them out cant really do anything but take it. its degrading and disrepectful.

I think almost everyone I knew was able to make it through school without being able to swear at the teachers. Why the hell can't they? Either kids have meaner attitudes today or teachers are comprimising their principles and becoming big whiners who can't handle the same attitudes that teachers before them could. In either case, the proper solution is to allow teachers to swat students with a meter stick. If the kid gets violent then the teacher can put the kid in a headlock and make him tell the class who his daddy is. This would solve many problems modern public schools (and the equivalent in the convoluted British system).

Here's how a typical day will go:
"Ok guys, open your books to page 12..."
"Fuck that and fuck you!" *opens his book*

Surreal.

ow.....

how will that lessen it in any way at all? If they're going to swear, they're going to swear, letting them do it AT you isn't the best way to discourage it. In fact they'll probably use all five at you each day, then casually swear the same amount as they would normally. GAR!

There must be major swearing problems in that school.i say this as it looks like a comprimise,'ok you can curse,but only 5 times in one class'

Sounds like a good idea, but only if once the swear limit is reached a siren goes off, trap-doors in the ceiling open, and various kinds of cobras drop down into the class room.

i went to school in the uk from year10+ (thats 15yrs+) and kids in the classes just didnt listen to teachers and they swore occasionaly.

i had been very sheltered going to an all girls bording school out of the country (not that im rich or anything) but i had to physically stop myself from staring with my mouth open. i just kept remebering how some of the teachers used to complain at my previous schools, but they didnt know how lucky they had it.

In either case, the proper solution is to allow teachers to swat students with a meter stick. If the kid gets violent then the teacher can put the kid in a headlock and make him tell the class who his daddy is.

No to the swatting, yes to the headlocks. Cause that just sounds awesome.

But seriously, parents need to do their jobs too. I personally don't have any problem with a kid getting sent to the principle for swearing. The little fucker deserves it. (Purposeful Irony) I got sent to the principle for swearing. Your right to swear ends at my right to be offended by it. Especially if it's at me.

PLus, teachers are in control of their classroom, they should be allowed to make the rules and if swearing is against the rules, the kid goes.

If parents don't like the idea, they always have the option of homeschooling/transfering whatever. But to think that parents can possibly agree with everything that happens to their kid is absurd, even if you think it's ideal. Life doesn't always go how we like it, and people are usually the reason why.

See what I'm saying?

As a person who lives in a town near to the place in question, I can say I understand the desperation for some sort of measure to be taken. With a high teenage pregnancy rate the kids are having kids and swearing around these kids. These kids learn to swear before they can talk, it's part of their dialect and it's a hard habit to break. I swear but I don't swear around authority. A five swear word limit if you do something wrong and let out the S- word is fine, to swear at the teacher is not fine.

For example: I missed the basket in net ball, the S- word came out before I could stop it, luckily my teacher knows I am a good kid and let it slide......

It's a problem and this school is just trying to tackle it......

Dee

i live in england. and the kid next door, who cant be more than 4years old, can swear like a sailor

If this means swearing specifically at teachers rather than swearing casually, I think it is a bad idea. Teachers must be allowed to maintain respect, and allowing pupils to cuss them out would be harmful to the classroom.

As for swearing casually, I think that the freedom of speech protects your right to speaking your ideas, not to uttering expletives.
There is no such thing as social swearing. School is supposed to educate and if the pupil doesn't have the vocabulary to express himself with out swearing, the school has the duty to expand it.

i live in england. and the kid next door, who cant be more than 4years old, can swear like a sailor

i wonder how sailors got known for swearing?4 yrs old?at 4 i doubt i knew any curses and most likely wouldnt have dared to use them.

i live in england. and the kid next door, who cant be more than 4years old, can swear like a sailor

Which is why I wonder what's so great about all this "progress" You people hated the old days but at least the kids had some respect.

This post ios largely meaningless.

Now, i'm going to go grocery shopping, for I am a college student

i love the "old days" actually

There is no such thing as social swearing. School is supposed to educate and if the pupil doesn't have the vocabulary to express himself with out swearing, the school has the duty to expand it.

"I am displeased" may less offensive than "shit!" but it just doesn't have the emotional strength of the later. It's not like students are Vulcans, afterall.

"I am displeased" may less offensive than "shit!" but it just doesn't have the emotional strength of the later. It's not like students are Vulcans, afterall.
It's interesting that I manage to go through life without relying on swearing to tell everyone else how I am feeling. Why in the world would my wife, friends, or co-workers want to hear profanity from me? I don't think that's an unreasonable standard.

According to a report in the U.K.’s Daily Mail, one school in the town of Wellingborough is allowing pupils to swear at teachers, providing they only do so no more than five times in a class. A tally of how many times the f-word is used will be kept and if the class exceeds the limit, they will be “spoken” to, the newspaper reported.

This has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've read.......ever. :rolleyes:

Ridiculous.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9132814/

What do you all think about this? Personally i think it will get out of hand and will cause more trouble than good...

i think that spending time disciplining kids for swearing is a huge waste, so i think it's a great idea.

of course there's a difference between kids using swear words casually and kids using swear words maliciously. "fuck! i ripped my pants again!" is not the same as "fuck off mr. williams!".....unless it's in jest, which is fairly regular.

so, i think it's good that the teachers aren't wasting their time going after kids for using certain "taboo" words but i think at the same time that kids should of course respect their teacher irregardless.

It's preposterous. Give them an inch, they'll take a mile, and an inch is too much in the first place.

It's interesting that I manage to go through life without relying on swearing to tell everyone else how I am feeling. Why in the world would my wife, friends, or co-workers want to hear profanity from me?

why not?

say it.

"FUCK!!!!!!"

LOUDER!

come on.

it's fun.

more seriously....it's just a couple of extra words to add to your vocabulary. they have specific usages and are more than appropriate in certain circumstances. it could even be argued that they are the most appropriate words to use in certain circumstances.

smashing your foot on the side of the wall, for example, could be met with an "ouch" or a "darn", but it is much more appropriate, in my opinion, to either utter "shit!" or "fuck!" or "bitch!".

bush, for example, is a complete fucking asshole. this is the most accurate, appropriate way to describe him. you may choose to call him "mean" or a "turkey" or something but it doesn't have the desired effect.

i fail to see the value of limiting your children's vocabulary.

It's preposterous. Give them an inch, they'll take a mile, and an inch is too much in the first place.

have you ever seen what happens when you give an eight year old a cuban cigar?

they don't smoke much for a while.

Sworn in front of a child? They pick up on that. Children swear for rebellion's sake, and swearing has no drawbacks if you're going to sanction it.
I fail to see the comparison.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9132814/

What do you all think about this? Personally i think it will get out of hand and will cause more trouble than good...


This is terrible. I know some teachers can be awful, but they are teachers and you have to show them respect. Good God if I cursed at a teacher my life wouldn't have been worth living, I've have been put on detention or possible suspended, my parents called in and all of the teachers knowing(I really liked all my teachers). When I got to my final year in school I did utter he odd curse as did the teachers if something went wrong...like the time in chemistry class we made a bomb, it didn't explode outside like it was supposed too but when we brought it back into the lab!
Stupid school!

have you ever seen what happens when you give an eight year old a cuban cigar? they don't smoke much for a while.
False analogy. Giving a kid a cigar or alcohol is an effective - if slightly cruel - prevention technique, rather similar to letting them put their hand on a stove once so they can see it's hot. Tobacco and alcohol are both, to all intents and purposes, poisons, and a child who spends half an hour throwing up after trying one or the other isn't likely to repeat the experience any time soon.

Swearing, on the other hand, has no negative consequences in our society, aside from potential discipline from an authority figure. Take away the threat of discipline, and kids are going to swear. Profusely. Maybe, eventually, the lack of novelty in the practice will cause them to lose interest; maybe it won't. (My money is on the latter, looking at the number of adults who curse at every opportunity).

Swearing in moderation, by a mature adult, is acceptable (if somewhat uncultured). Certain strong emotions can most adequately be conveyed with blunt old body-function Anglo-Saxon. But there's no excuse for children to swear. They shouldn't be exposed to it at home, if their parents have any concept whatsoever of raising children, and even if they are, it should be educated out of them at school.

Sworn in front of a child? They pick up on that. Children swear for rebellion's sake, and swearing has no drawbacks if you're going to sanction it.
I fail to see the comparison.

if you don't care whether they swear or not, where's the rebelliousness? they'll get bored with it after a while if nobody is nagging them about it. nonetheless, like most normal people, parental influence or not, societal influence is strong enough that it will probably enter their regular vocabulary. this is inevitable unless you wish to shelter them.....and what's wrong with that? they're going to at some point in their life make a choice which words they wish to use and which they don't. that's out of anyone's control except theirs.

ultimately, i just think that disciplining kids over something so trivial is a big waste of time and probably a futile task at that. i suppose this is a result of not really taking any kind of offense whatsoever to swearing and merely viewing it as a normal part of conversation, not deeming it as "immoral" and really questioning whether it's somewhat......childish.....to get upset about it.

more important is teaching kids WHEN they should swear and when they shouldn't. however, this breaks down to "don't say anything to anyone else that you wouldn't want them to say to you" which is basically just interacting properly in a social environment, and the only way kids are ever going to learn to function interactively is through exprience. i don't generally get upset when a friend of mine tells me to "fuck off" or to "shut the fuck up"....but it's knowing when things are in jest and when they're not.....and it's understanding circumstances and surroundings and everything else....

but i don't see why "fuck" is any less valid an english word than "potato". they both have definitions and usages specific to themselves.

yet, you still shouldn't call your teacher a potato if the intent is derogatory....

False analogy. Giving a kid a cigar or alcohol is an effective - if slightly cruel - prevention technique, rather similar to letting them put their hand on a stove once so they can see it's hot. Tobacco and alcohol are both, to all intents and purposes, poisons, and a child who spends half an hour throwing up after trying one or the other isn't likely to repeat the experience any time soon.

Swearing, on the other hand, has no negative consequences in our society, aside from potential discipline from an authority figure. Take away the threat of discipline, and kids are going to swear. Profusely. Maybe, eventually, the lack of novelty in the practice will cause them to lose interest; maybe it won't. (My money is on the latter, looking at the number of adults who curse at every opportunity).

Swearing in moderation, by a mature adult, is acceptable (if somewhat uncultured). Certain strong emotions can most adequately be conveyed with blunt old body-function Anglo-Saxon. But there's no excuse for children to swear. They shouldn't be exposed to it at home, if their parents have any concept whatsoever of raising children, and even if they are, it should be educated out of them at school. Swearing at a teacher is a symptom rather than the disease. It shows that they have no respect for teachers.
Note that I'm not against swearing in general… closing one's hand in a door is an apt time to succinctly describe the reproductive or egestive verb.

Good God if I cursed at a teacher my life wouldn't have been worth living, I've have been put on detention or possible suspended, my parents called in and all of the teachers knowing(I really liked all my teachers).

don't you think that this is somewhat.....absurd? did they really have nothing better to do than suspend you for swearing? would such a thing really increase the quality of your education? would it increase the quality of the education received by the other kids in the class? what is the point in coming down on you so hard? WHY?

don't you think that this is somewhat.....absurd? did they really have nothing better to do than suspend you for swearing? would such a thing really increase the quality of your education? would it increase the quality of the education received by the other kids in the class? what is the point in coming down on you so hard? WHY? To ensure iron discipline and respect for others. Always good things.

Swearing, on the other hand, has no negative consequences in our society, aside from potential discipline from an authority figure. Take away the threat of discipline, and kids are going to swear. Profusely. Maybe, eventually, the lack of novelty in the practice will cause them to lose interest; maybe it won't. (My money is on the latter, looking at the number of adults who curse at every opportunity).

i haven't seen any studies on this or anything, but i'd have to vote the other way....IF it's a societal decision. if there's just the one bad kid that swears all the time then, yeah, he or she is going to receive a lot of attention. if there is just a general ambivalence towards the entire thing, ie if the taboo is entirely removed, kids will just learn the words as words that have meanings associated with certain contexts and use them as needed but not in excess. why would they bother if there's nothing taboo about them?


Swearing in moderation, by a mature adult, is acceptable (if somewhat uncultured). Certain strong emotions can most adequately be conveyed with blunt old body-function Anglo-Saxon. But there's no excuse for children to swear. They shouldn't be exposed to it at home, if their parents have any concept whatsoever of raising children, and even if they are, it should be educated out of them at school.

i find this to be hypocritical and your kids are likely to point it out.

furthermore, fuck, shit, etc are words. they have definitions. they show up often throughout all different kinds of modern literature from james joyce to joseph heller to thomas pynchon to a hundred other excellent examples. there is nothing remotely uneducated about swearing and i find the association to be rather ludicrous. a well placed swear word is extremely literate. anybody reading any kind of abstract literature for the first time that is not accustomed to the high degree of "profanity" throughout large swaths of it may just get it educated <i>into</i> them.

can you give me a good reason why kids shouldn't swear other than that it's a little out of the ordinary?

Bring back the cane I say......take that you little f*****. :p

To ensure iron discipline and respect for others. Always good things.

is it really respectful to talk down to people as though they live in some kind of make believe world where profanity doesn't exist, tip-toeing around them in an inane attempt not to offend their prescious innocence, their virginal aural purity, their alien lifestyle of g rated entertainment and wholesome nineteenth century church oriented lifestyles....to speak to them as though they are children themselves in a naive disney-owned world of solipsism?

...or is it more respectful to talk to them like real living human beings, which may entail telling them to jestingly fuck off if they say something outlandish?

is it really respectful to talk down to people as though they live in some kind of make believe world where profanity doesn't exist, tip-toeing around them in an inane attempt not to offend their prescious innocence, their virginal aural purity, their alien lifestyle of g rated entertainment and wholesome nineteenth century church oriented lifestyles....to speak to them as though they are children themselves in a naive disney-owned world of solipsism?

...or is it more respectful to talk to them like real living human beings, which may entail telling them to jestingly fuck off if they say something outlandish? Um… it's sort of hard to get your meaning… how is talking to a teacher politely talking down to them?
Why should they swear at teachers? It shows that they don't respect them, and although I swear a great deal, I would never swear at a teacher.

and why didn't my italics work?

Um… it's sort of hard to get your meaning… how is talking to a teacher politely talking down to them?
Why should they swear at teachers? It shows that they don't respect them, and although I swear a great deal, I would never swear at a teacher.

why not? i swear at my profs all the time. it's not in a "fuck off you stupid hack" way, though, it's in a "ok, fuck off man, you KNOW that was right." kind of a way or in a "sorry man, my fucking dog ate my homework" kind of way.

why is it that using profane words in non-derogatory sense is impolite?
why is it that using profane words shows a lack of respect?

if you would use those same words talking to your drinking buddies, why wouldn't you use them talking to your teachers? doesn't THAT show a lack of respect?

Why do adults swear?

The first reason is emotional release. Swearing is an acceptable verbal alternative to violence in our society. Words replace actions; instead of hitting people we're angry with, we say "fuck you, you inbred sack of liquid shit." Instead of kicking the door that slammed on our hand, we say "motherfuckbucket that goddamned well *hurt*." We vocalize emotion as strongly as possible, to prevent ourselves from expressing it in a different, less appropriate way.

The second reason is casual disregard for convention, epitomised by the use of swear words as rule-flaunting punctuation in everyday speech. Trying to be cool, either consciously or otherwise, by dropping "fuck" into every possible sentence. "Fuck society, man, I don't like by their goddamned rules, they can suck my ass." No actual malice, no real emotion at all, just oversized kids indulging in an acceptable form of rebellion. Most adults are past this stage.

The third reason is simple habit. I went through life quite happily without swearing, until I found myself working midnight shifts at Tim Hortons with Helen the foul-mouthed muffin baker as my only company. Helen was a wonderful lady, kind, considerate, always happy to slip me a freshly-made carrot muffin hot out of the over, but the woman had a mouth on her as dirty as a post-Katrina New Orleans sewer pipe. She swore constantly. She wasn't trying to impress me or anyone else; vituperation was simply an integral part of her vocabulary. Helen never used the phrase "slacking off," or "shirking:" whenever someone wasn't working hard, they were "fucking the dog." That single phrase came up a dozen times every night. "Hey, Kate, I need to wait for that batch to cook, let's go outside and fuck the dog." "The goddamned day shift baker must've been fucking the dog all day, she didn't leave anything prepped for me." Habit, I think, is the saddest reason to swear. It demonstrates a lack of creativity, a complacency, a willingness to resort to a handful of simple words to convey any concept. I swear out of habit myself sometimes, though I'm trying to break out of it.

So, why do kids swear?

Because they think it's somehow grown-up. Because they want to shock people, because they want other people to admire their bad-ass selves, because they dream of cementing a lifelong reputation as the guy who said "go fuck yourself" to the principal. And if they're allowed to swear, they'll continue to do so all their lives.

And the only way to stop that, to my mind, is to clamp down on it hard and early. Swearing to authority figures - and to a kid, *everyone* is an authority figure - is not acceptable, even for adults. (Tell a police officer to fuck himself ragged with his pistol, and see how well he reacts). Zero tolerance is the only policy.

As for the whole concept of letting kids swear so they get used to it, and it loses its shock value... bad idea. Bad, bad idea. First off, even once the shock value is gone, they'll continue swearing out of habit. If a kid has been swearing since he was five years old, he's not going to wake up at age 21 and say "you know, I'm grown up now, and I suddenly realise that swearing is a petty, vulgar thing to do. Thank you, public education system!"

Further, the slippery slope of deliberate desensitisation is a frightening thing. If you believe it to be acceptable to swear around children - and let them swear back - to somehow acclimatise them to it, where do you draw the line? Would it then be acceptable to show them graphically violent movies, to get them used to violence? Pornography, to desensitise them to sex? What makes one particular vice any more acceptable for kids than another?

if you don't care whether they swear or not, where's the rebelliousness? they'll get bored with it after a while if nobody is nagging them about it. nonetheless, like most normal people, parental influence or not, societal influence is strong enough that it will probably enter their regular vocabulary. this is inevitable unless you wish to shelter them.....and what's wrong with that? they're going to at some point in their life make a choice which words they wish to use and which they don't. that's out of anyone's control except theirs.

i disagree. they wont get bored with it because of what cussing brings with it. these kids dont only have the right to cuss but to cuss out thier teachers. the students that enjoy putting others down will cuss out thier teacher and see the reaction in the teachers face and it will drive more of the same. the whole thing is an outrage. they are giving students more than they should be allowed and are taking too much away from teachers.

do you see how strong this is? a student cursing out a teacher is just like a student walking up to a teacher and slapping them across the face. is that ok to do? is it ok to slap teachers in the face? no, its rude, obnoxious, disrepectful, hateful and a whole other slew of words.

If this means swearing specifically at teachers rather than swearing casually, I think it is a bad idea. Teachers must be allowed to maintain respect, and allowing pupils to cuss them out would be harmful to the classroom.

As for swearing casually, I think that the freedom of speech protects your right to speaking your ideas, not to uttering expletives.
So we are free to express ourselves … as long as its only in an approved manner.

Somehow that does not seem so free

In my class, last year one of the pupils and the art teacher had a row, which led to swearing which lead to the teacher almost hitting him. Here's sort of how it went.

Teacher: Hey you, go and clean that up.(After pupil leaves desk with equipment on it).
Pupil:No.(Walks away)
T: Don't you walk away from me.
P: I'll do what I want.
T: Get back here right now!
P: Oh f*** off.
T: Don't you f****** use that language with me or I'll smack you one!(Literally shouting at the top of his voice)
P: You f****** touch me and I'll report you to social services!(Walks out of the door)

Some other teachers got involved after this while he was outside, having heard the row from the nearby classrooms, but he just walked away and ignored them.I'm not sure if he just left school after this or if he went to Year Co-ordinator. This was when I was in Year 7 by the way.

If a kid has been swearing since he was five years old, he's not going to wake up at age 21 and say "you know, I'm grown up now, and I suddenly realise that swearing is a petty, vulgar thing to do. Thank you, public education system!"


but why is swearing a petty, vulgar thing to do?


Further, the slippery slope of deliberate desensitisation is a frightening thing. If you believe it to be acceptable to swear around children - and let them swear back - to somehow acclimatise them to it, where do you draw the line? Would it then be acceptable to show them graphically violent movies, to get them used to violence?


violence hurts people. swearing doesn't. so, no, the two things are not comparable.

it depends on what you mean, though. star wars or lord of the rings is ok at any age level, i think, and i'd actually encourage my young kids to get into fantasy as opposed to, say, reality tv.

as for something like natural born killers or a clockwork orange.....i don't think i'd go out of my way to stop them from seeing it. rabidly forbidding them is just going to make them more interested. i wouldn't go out of my way to introduce it to them either.

besides, they're both great films. let them watch and make their own choice.


Pornography, to desensitise them to sex?


i wouldn't have a problem with my kids looking at regular two or three people having sex consensually and non-violently kind of porn, although i wouldn't have a lot lying around for them to get at. i would hope that i'd raised my kids with enough morals that they wouldn't really be interested in violent or degrading pornography.....and not all porn is violent or degrading.

What makes one particular vice any more acceptable for kids than another?

swearing is not a crime. it doesn't hurt anyone. it's only offensive to people that i wouldn't want my kids to be like.

violence hurts people. mysogyny *is* petty and vulgar. unpleasant pornography is generally unpleasant due to a level of violence or mysogyny, so we can reduce any problems with pornography to problems with violence or mysogyny.

i disagree. they wont get bored with it because of what cussing brings with it. these kids dont only have the right to cuss but to cuss out thier teachers. the students that enjoy putting others down will cuss out thier teacher and see the reaction in the teachers face and it will drive more of the same. the whole thing is an outrage. they are giving students more than they should be allowed and are taking too much away from teachers.

do you see how strong this is? a student cursing out a teacher is just like a student walking up to a teacher and slapping them across the face. is that ok to do? is it ok to slap teachers in the face? no, its rude, obnoxious, disrepectful, hateful and a whole other slew of words.

i've pointed out numerous times that i do not think that students should have the right to maliciously attack their teachers.....unless the teachers are acting out of line, which does happen from time to time.

swearing is not necessarily malicious.

however, if the school board is giving the students the right to maliciously attack their teachers i don't think the teachers will stick around too long. i strongly doubt that this is the case for obvious reasons.

In my class, last year one of the pupils and the art teacher had a row, which led to swearing which lead to the teacher almost hitting him. Here's sort of how it went.

Teacher: Hey you, go and clean that up.(After pupil leaves desk with equipment on it).
Pupil:No.(Walks away)
T: Don't you walk away from me.
P: I'll do what I want.
T: Get back here right now!
P: Oh f*** off.
T: Don't you f****** use that language with me or I'll smack you one!(Literally shouting at the top of his voice)
P: You f****** touch me and I'll report you to social services!(Walks out of the door)

Some other teachers got involved after this while he was outside, having heard the row from the nearby classrooms, but he just walked away and ignored them.I'm not sure if he just left school after this or if he went to Year Co-ordinator. This was when I was in Year 7 by the way.


see....in this case the major problem is not that the kid and the teacher are swearing at each other. it's that the little punk refused to clean up his mess.

the language used is not relevant; whether he would have told him to fuck off rudely or to be quiet politely amounts to the exact same thing.