NationStates Jolt Archive


Solution to the gun madness in Toronto...

PopularFreedom
31-08-2005, 03:17
John Locke, the founder of our modern day democracy concept, once noted that if those in power refuse to serve the people that it is the right, the duty, of the people to remove those in power.
We the people of Toronto face such a proposal. The minister of justice who has the power to toughen gun laws feels they are tough enough despite the recent gun madness in our city which we all know will only get worse.

Then again this is the individual who is in charge of the same justice system that will release pedophile Martin Ferrier next year despite the fact that he will most likely reoffend. This is the same system that allowed the 20 year old murderer of a Taber, Alberta student to walk away free from his open custody centre. This is the same individual who ignores that a 4 year old is shot four times in a drive by shooting with his refusal to toughen gun laws and/or sentencing.

The system is set up so that no one is responsible if a person is let go and commits another offense. If this system kills another Linda Shaw, or a Christopher Stephenson those in command such as Justice Minister Cotler do not notice or care.

It is time that a Charter of Rights, Responsibilities, and Freedoms is created for our country however those in charge have no desire to protect law abiding citizens in Canada.

The provinces of Ontario, Quebec, Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick are the powers that came together to create the entity known as Canada. It is time therefore that the provinces, who were the ones who gave control to federal officials in 1867 to control the laws of the land take this specific control back.

When the provinces, instead of the federal government, are responsible for the justice system the people are able to have a say in what the laws will dictate for those who commit offences in their province.

I realize that possibly gun laws are tough enough in other parts of our nation however they are not tough enough for the streets of Toronto. The justice system is not tough enough on pedophiles either. This is a sentiment that most Ontarians and especially Torontonians have felt for years. Therefore it is time that our provincial politicians see about grasping this control by calling a referendum on it.

Toronto could also have a similar referendum since this way the will of the people could truly be known. Possibly someone who supposedly represents us at one of the levels of government might do the bidding of the people unlike the current federal government who has ignored us, the law abiding citizens of the nation, in regards to this issue up until now.
Robbopolis
31-08-2005, 04:09
Granted, I'm Alaskan, not Canadian, so my vote really doesn't count. But I'm all for local control wherever possible.
Empryia
31-08-2005, 04:11
read my reply in your other forum... but if you're too lazy, this is the sum of it...

Gun Control Laws only affect Law-Abiding citizens. And the people who shot up Toronto

weren't Law-Abiding Citizens.
Robbopolis
31-08-2005, 04:22
read my reply in your other forum... but if you're too lazy, this is the sum of it...

Gun Control Laws only affect Law-Abiding citizens. And the people who shot up Toronto

weren't Law-Abiding Citizens.

Beg pardon, but what he's talking about has less to do with gun control and more to do with who gets to pass the laws. Whether they want more gun control or just stiffer prinson sentences, they're stuck because they have to wait on the federal government to do something rather than the provinces doing it.
Phasa
31-08-2005, 04:33
No. One country, one set of criminal laws. Keep your patchwork nonsense away.
Dobbsworld
31-08-2005, 05:03
No. One country, one set of criminal laws. Keep your patchwork nonsense away.
I'm with Phasa on this.
PopularFreedom
31-08-2005, 12:54
read my reply in your other forum... but if you're too lazy, this is the sum of it...

Gun Control Laws only affect Law-Abiding citizens. And the people who shot up Toronto

weren't Law-Abiding Citizens.

Greetings,

This has nothing to do with gun control and everything to do with having minimum (meaning no good behaviour, early patrole crap) sentences of two years less a day, sticking criminals in jail when they commit a crime instead of the current revolving door prisons we currently have.
PopularFreedom
31-08-2005, 12:56
No. One country, one set of criminal laws. Keep your patchwork nonsense away.


The laws of the country are not working however. The national government has no desire to help since they can live in their Ottawa homes with little to no crime while Toronto streets are a war zone. There were another three shootings yesterday alone, one fatal. If you disagree with this then what solution do you have?
Mekonia
31-08-2005, 13:54
A simple whipping would solve the problem.

But yes gun control should be brought down to a local level.