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I just wanted to get a head start on this. Katrina has left New Orleans and other coastal cities pretty much underwater. Aside from the death and destruction, there are serious concerns about disease due to the unsanitary conditions. I encourage everyone to consider donating funds to the Red Cross or similar relief organizations. I also encourage folks to donate blood, as significant stocks of blood were wiped out and blood will undoubtedly be needed to treat people who are sick or injured from the storm.

When the shock of this disaster has worn off, I'm also encouraging people to not give respectability to opportunistic environmental extremists who will blame Katrina on global warming and the Bush administration--like America is somehow reaping the consequences of its sins against nature, or whatever. This makes as much sense as blaming 9/11 on homosexuals.

Sometimes bad things just happen for no discernable reason. Our response under those circumstances shouldn't be to seize an opportunity to jab at political opponents, but to show our willingness to set aside our differences. I believe that human nature is inherently selfish, but circumstances like these give us the opportunity to overcome what we are to make a positive difference without expectation of reward. Generosity is addictive--give it a try :)

Hey, Bush believes we needed to punish the Middle East for their sins, cause God told him to. Now its his payback!

Well, last year it was JEB's state that got the wipe-up. And the kickbacks from the emergency money to some people who didn't need it. :(

Why does anyone still live along that coastline at all? I fail to understand how it could ever be worth living down there.

Oh will y'all give it a rest already? Really, I'm amazed that some people who bitch and moan about Christianity and are aetheists or something will always say that these disasters are due to some power steering them here due to Bush.

Hurricane Darwin, what?

Any talk about Global Warming causing Katrina takes a backseat to getting relief down there. The arguments on that can be had at a less meaningful time.

Global Warming is not necessarily the cause behind these hurricanes, anyhow. There is an ossilation to much warmer water in the past few years, and it comes and goes once every few decades. That's why we saw the Galveston Hurricane of 1900, and the Labor Day storm of 1935, but no major hurricanes until the late sixties. Even then, it was temporary.
Katrina actually would've remained a small storm had it not been for a rare offshoot the Gulf Stream occaisonally thrusts through the Florida Straits. It is warm water, being over 90 degrees farenheit, and it came just as Katrina left Florida.

Global Warming is not necessarily the cause behind these hurricanes, anyhow. There is an ossilation to much warmer water in the past few years, and it comes and goes once every few decades. That's why we saw the Galveston Hurricane of 1900, and the Labor Day storm of 1935, but no major hurricanes until the late sixties. Even then, it was temporary.
Katrina actually would've remained a small storm had it not been for a rare offshoot the Gulf Stream occaisonally thrusts through the Florida Straits. It is warm water, being over 90 degrees farenheit, and it came just as Katrina left Florida.

Quite you! Reason must be silenced.

Fuk BUS|-| :gundge: :mp5: :mp5: :sniper:

:rolleyes:

Good way to not get an argument started...

Why is it that it's only Bush supporters who bring up Bush in times like this? Methinks they doth protest too much.

Hey, Bush believes we needed to punish the Middle East for their sins, cause God told him to. Now its his payback!

Did you even listen to the man? He's right! Here we are, several million homeless I'm sure, hundreds injured, dozens seriously, and here you are bitching about politics. Maybe it's people like you that make the world so screwed up.

Quite you! Reason must be silenced.

Fuk BUS|-| :gundge: :mp5: :mp5: :sniper:

:rolleyes:
I see. Tommarow, what's left of Katrina is actually gonna be in my area. Why don't I run naked outside with a metal pole? It's reasonable, isn't it?

That's why we saw the Galveston Hurricane of 1900, and the Labor Day storm of 1935, but no major hurricanes until the late sixties.

... I'm assuming thats supposed to say no major hurricanes AGAIN until the late sixties...

Did you even listen to the man? He's right! Here we are, several million homeless I'm sure, hundreds injured, dozens seriously, and here you are bitching about politics. Maybe it's people like you that make the world so screwed up.
Dude, it's sarcasm.

Dude, it's sarcasm.

Oh, I'm not too good at picking it up while reading. That's my bad.

Dude, it's sarcasm.

Not only was it sarcasm, but the original poster made a pre-emptive political strike. :D

That's like holding up a picture of a woman having sex with a donkey, and then saying, "This is the kind of porniography we won't be having in this thread."

Dude, it's sarcasm.

Sarcasm is more of a spoken thing. You can't tell if something is sarcasm when written unless it has rolling eyes or a sarcasm disclaimer.

The only thing political about this is that its gonna give Bush more reason to go after the oil countries. Hell we're already looking at Irans Nuclear Fuel talks with the WMD!!!! eye. Anybody else see a new war coming out of this? Or maybe "an extension" of the current one.

But point blank..... the politics SHOULD be taking a back seat to recovery and aid right now, a well watched over back seat.... but a back seat nonetheless.

Sarcasm is more of a spoken thing. You can't tell if something is sarcasm when written unless it has rolling eyes or a sarcasm disclaimer.

Maybe YOU can't... :eek: :rolleyes: :p

The only thing political about this is that its gonna give Bush more reason to go after the oil countries. Hell we're already looking at Irans Nuclear Fuel talks with the WMD!!!! eye. Anybody else see a new war coming out of this? Or maybe "an extension" of the current one.

Will everyone just effin' chill?!?!?! You people worry too much. Always bitchin' about something. Are there no sane people on this board? Bush will be out of office in 3 damn years. Do you REALLY think congress would authorize a 3rd war? I don't think so. Stop instigating stuff and will some sane people please join this board? All we seem to have is insane fundis and insane aetheists or paranoid anti-war people. I'm all alone fighting both sides at once!

New Orleans: Being fully evacuted. Yes, you heard it right. All of New Orleans is going to be evacuated. With 80% of the City underwater, that comes as no surprise.

Mississippi: 30 Dead from one apartment complex alone.

People, over 60 people are dead, about a million people homeless, billions of dollars in damage.

This depresses me. Just be grateful. It could've been a hell of a lot worse than it actually was.

My thoughts and prayers go out to those affected by Katrina.

(also prays that I don't get to much of its remenants)

Maybe YOU can't... :eek: :rolleyes: :p

Shove it. j/k

Now, I wanna know. where the fuck is the foriegn relief here? Im not trying to be ignorant or anything, im merely stating that if a country had a disaster in which citys where flooded, hundreds dead, fires, billions of dollars in damage, other countrys would be twittlin there thumbs and makin money signs at the US, then bitch about the amount of money we give them.

Well where the hell is the help from other nations when shit like this happens, Jesus even France could send a banana or something. Now im not comparing this to the tsunami or anything, that was far worse then this, but if what happened here, happened anywhere else, America would have been expected to pay up.

if what happened here, happened anywhere else, America would have been expected to pay up.
Actually, no. If my city got levelled, I'd expect assistance from the EU, not the US or UN.

Now, I wanna know. where the fuck is the foriegn relief here?
Only the US has the heavy-lift capability to get foreign relief anywhere.

I don't want people to politicize this natural disaster, but I'm afraid they will. I have of recently found out that some of my relatives do live in New Orleans, and they were deeply effected by this horrific event. I would be deeply sadden if anyone here used the losses as a political point for their own goals.

Now, I wanna know. where the fuck is the foriegn relief here?
Well the Red Cross is not a US national organisation, its rather international.

Im not trying to be ignorant or anything, im merely stating that if a country had a disaster in which citys where flooded, hundreds dead, fires, billions of dollars in damage, other countrys would be twittlin there thumbs and makin money signs at the US, then bitch about the amount of money we give them.
I doubt it, most nations get on with doing what they can when an emergency happnes, I dont recall a single case such as you describe. Whilst many nations ask for help, I've not noticed these same nations failing to do what they can to help themselves.

Well where the hell is the help from other nations when shit like this happens,
Money-wise NGOs will probably be the most forthcoming.

Jesus even France could send a banana or something. Now im not comparing this to the tsunami or anything, that was far worse then this, but if what happened here, happened anywhere else, America would have been expected to pay up.
Out of common decency most nations (all those in a position to do so) would be expected to cough up. It isnt only the US that gives Aid to other nations, nor do the US never receive help.

Will everyone just effin' chill?!?!?! You people worry too much. Always bitchin' about something. Are there no sane people on this board? Bush will be out of office in 3 damn years. Do you REALLY think congress would authorize a 3rd war? I don't think so. Stop instigating stuff and will some sane people please join this board? All we seem to have is insane fundis and insane aetheists or paranoid anti-war people. I'm all alone fighting both sides at once!


After the Completion of the missin in Iraq in 06 or 07, dollars to donuts we're moving from iraq to Iran. It only makes sense because we were promised a 'middle east' roadtrip after 9/11 and look at the path our Military forces have taken-up north to Iraq, then east towards iran.

Just my 2 cents though. I sure hope I'm wrong.....

jeeze, how much money should the world pay up to one of the already richest nations in the world? Should we hold a concert because a thousand people perhaps are dead? No repect lost to those, every life is precious, but when an american complains that the world isn't paying them money for that many people dying then it sickens me to think that they can ignore 30,000 deaths a day in africa...

You have got a huge millitary, why not get them to help? You've got the richest companies in the wolrd, why not get them to help? The whole world has problems and as much as i like the idea of everyone getting along, if we don't sort out our own with what we have then we'll end up all looking after the nation that acts all upset to get attention.

Our huge national guard is helping these states. We can help ourselves. We can sustain this. Our economy will continue marching forward. Those effected will get back to life. This nation has the strength to do just that.. it may not be easy at times like this, but it can be done.

Our huge national guard is helping these states. We can help ourselves. We can sustain this. Our economy will continue marching forward. Those effected will get back to life. This nation has the strength to do just that.. it may not be easy at times like this, but it can be done.


thats the spirit!

I only found out two hours ago my family was personally effected by this disaster. I did not know that one of my aunts moved to New Orleans just a month ago and bought a house... :( Now... she has nothing..

I only found out two hours ago my family was personally effected by this disaster. I did not know that one of my aunts moved to New Orleans just a month ago and bought a house... :( Now... she has nothing..

That is really awful---sorry to hear that. :(

As far as having nothing, though, I hope she still has you and the rest of your family. It doesn't replace the property, but...

May God bless you and your family.

Well the Red Cross is not a US national organisation, its rather international.

Actually, there is an American Red Cross AND an International Red Cross! People always seem to forget that.

I doubt it, most nations get on with doing what they can when an emergency happnes, I dont recall a single case such as you describe. Whilst many nations ask for help, I've not noticed these same nations failing to do what they can to help themselves.

Actually, false. They always ask for money from the international community and the US always gives the most. However, this doesn't seem to satisfy the nation in question and they do complain about it.

Money-wise NGOs will probably be the most forthcoming.

And the individuals who give more combined than national governments.

Out of common decency most nations (all those in a position to do so) would be expected to cough up. It isnt only the US that gives Aid to other nations, nor do the US never receive help.

I'll agree with this.

jeeze, how much money should the world pay up to one of the already richest nations in the world? Should we hold a concert because a thousand people perhaps are dead? No repect lost to those, every life is precious, but when an american complains that the world isn't paying them money for that many people dying then it sickens me to think that they can ignore 30,000 deaths a day in africa...

Or the thousands dead during the tsunami where we used the friggin US military to assist in the relief effort there. As for AIDS, we are doing all that we can to help stamp that out along with everyone else. However, we just suffered a massive Category 4 Hurricane that put New Orleans under water as well as many other cities and towns. Dozens dead, over a million homeless. HELLO! You just said yourself that every life is precise but shouldn't we all be helping those that are in need right now?

You have got a huge millitary, why not get them to help?

They are. The National Guard has been airlifting people from the roofs of buildings.

You've got the richest companies in the wolrd, why not get them to help? The whole world has problems and as much as i like the idea of everyone getting along, if we don't sort out our own with what we have then we'll end up all looking after the nation that acts all upset to get attention.

Nice to see you don't care about the lives of Americans with this post here. Why is it that the US gives the most but yet when we have a real natural disaster no one steps up to help!

I only found out two hours ago my family was personally effected by this disaster. I did not know that one of my aunts moved to New Orleans just a month ago and bought a house... :( Now... she has nothing..

I'm sorry that she has nothing Mesatecala but at least she is safe. That is the most important thing.

Why does anyone still live along that coastline at all? I fail to understand how it could ever be worth living down there.


Yeah really... why do people pay millions for a house when they know that is isnt going to last very long.... it's rather... crazy.... :confused:

I live in a city, called Darwin ironically, which got totally trashed by a Category 5 Cyclone about 25 years ago. Now two Category 5s have passed by in the last 5 years.

As for New Orleans, building a city below sea level is asking for trouble.

As for New Orleans, building a city below sea level is asking for trouble.

Blame the French. They established it there :D

Why is it that the US gives the most but yet when we have a real natural disaster no one steps up to help!
This is just not true. If the US asks for assistance, I expect the US will be assisted.

I just wanted to get a head start on this. Katrina has left New Orleans and other coastal cities pretty much underwater. Aside from the death and destruction, there are serious concerns about disease due to the unsanitary conditions. I encourage everyone to consider donating funds to the Red Cross or similar relief organizations. I also encourage folks to donate blood, as significant stocks of blood were wiped out and blood will undoubtedly be needed to treat people who are sick or injured from the storm.

When the shock of this disaster has worn off, I'm also encouraging people to not give respectability to opportunistic environmental extremists who will blame Katrina on global warming and the Bush administration--like America is somehow reaping the consequences of its sins against nature, or whatever. This makes as much sense as blaming 9/11 on homosexuals.

Sometimes bad things just happen for no discernable reason. Our response under those circumstances shouldn't be to seize an opportunity to jab at political opponents, but to show our willingness to set aside our differences. I believe that human nature is inherently selfish, but circumstances like these give us the opportunity to overcome what we are to make a positive difference without expectation of reward. Generosity is addictive--give it a try :)

Wouldn't it be nice if ppl would put all this generosity towards thrid world countries?

I wasn't aware that the Bush Administration were being blamed for an act of nature....I know some think of Bush as God but that is pushing it.
However I think that the hurricane and the tsumnai and all the very bad weather we are having can be attributed to 2 things:
1) Climate change, which occurs naturally anyway
2) Global warming of course has affected this and while Bush didn't adhere to Kyoto neither did most countries. Although Bush does appear to h ave a particualr dislike for the enviroment

This is just not true. If the US asks for assistance, I expect the US will be assisted.

Nations could also offer instead of waiting to be asked.

Any talk about Global Warming causing Katrina takes a backseat to getting relief down there. The arguments on that can be had at a less meaningful time.
So are implying or ordering that people can't multitask or that they should take their eyes off of the issue?
?
If you mean this thread, well, you didn't start it.

Not only was it sarcasm, but the original poster made a pre-emptive political strike. :D

That's like holding up a picture of a woman having sex with a donkey, and then saying, "This is the kind of porniography we won't be having in this thread."
Or someone bringing up an earlier thread talking about that dude who died from internal injuries after hiring a horse to "push him to Paris" ... and then the same guy getting brought up on Michael "Fascito" Savage?

I just wanted to get a head start on this. Katrina has left New Orleans and other coastal cities pretty much underwater. Aside from the death and destruction, there are serious concerns about disease due to the unsanitary conditions. I encourage everyone to consider donating funds to the Red Cross or similar relief organizations. I also encourage folks to donate blood, as significant stocks of blood were wiped out and blood will undoubtedly be needed to treat people who are sick or injured from the storm.

When the shock of this disaster has worn off, I'm also encouraging people to not give respectability to opportunistic environmental extremists who will blame Katrina on global warming and the Bush administration--like America is somehow reaping the consequences of its sins against nature, or whatever. This makes as much sense as blaming 9/11 on homosexuals.

Sometimes bad things just happen for no discernable reason. Our response under those circumstances shouldn't be to seize an opportunity to jab at political opponents, but to show our willingness to set aside our differences. I believe that human nature is inherently selfish, but circumstances like these give us the opportunity to overcome what we are to make a positive difference without expectation of reward. Generosity is addictive--give it a try :)

Yes and no. You can't necessarily blame Katrina on global warming (and by extension, Bush's inaction on global warming measures). You can, however, blame the Republicans in Congress and the White House for choosing large giveaways to the rich and the corporate over, say, adequate funding for the Army Corps of Engineers. Their funding in the New Orleans area was slashed by better than $50 million last year, and now we're not supposed to see any connection between that and the fact that New Orleans is flooded because they were unable to dam up an old, broken dike? Sorry, ain't gonna happen.

Nations could also offer instead of waiting to be asked.
Venezuela and Canada already have.

I'm sorry to say that my predictions are coming true. from www.foxnews.com , there is currently a video report posted on the main site titled "Is global warming to blame for Hurricane Katrina's force?"

I mean, dang. So anyway, the next step is to blame the Bush administration for not signing the Kyoto agreement. I'm not kidding or just trying to make a point. Stay tuned.

Edit: Here's a transcript of the report. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167932,00.html

I mean, dang. So anyway, the next step is to blame the Bush administration for not signing the Kyoto agreement. I'm not kidding or just trying to make a point. Stay tuned.

Kyoto wouldn't have done a damn thing. Our emissions are 20% of the world's total and are growing only 1% per year. Asia's are 18% and growing by 8-10% per year, and they are exempt from Kyoto. It would hurt the economy of the US while giving a huge, unfair advantage to Asian industries and doing nothing to stop global warming.

Their funding in the New Orleans area was slashed by better than $50 million last year, and now we're not supposed to see any connection between that and the fact that New Orleans is flooded because they were unable to dam up an old, broken dike? Sorry, ain't gonna happen.

Funding was cut to New Oreleans? The funding would have better protected New Orleans from Katrina? Can you support this assertion?

Venezuela and Canada already have.

Ahh thanks! Link please so I can read it :)

Venezuela and Canada already have.

I also read that Germany has offered assistance.


Since the United States is as powerful and wealthy as it is, it's not too often that we're in need of outside assistance. It's definitely appreciated. To those nations, thank you.

I also read that Germany has offered assistance.


Since the United States is as powerful and wealthy as it is, it's not too often that we're in need of outside assistance. It's definitely appreciated. To those nations, thank you.

I second the motion!

Funding was cut to New Oreleans? The funding would have better protected New Orleans from Katrina? Can you support this assertion?

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4200/is_20050207/ai_n10176537

Funding was cut significantly over the last several fiscal years. As a consequence, the ACE has had a very hard time doing anything about the storm because they simply have no money to do so.

Xeno, that is in regards to the 2006 fiscal year budget and not this past year's budget. I bet you though, that'll change.

Xeno, that is in regards to the 2006 fiscal year budget and not this past year's budget. I bet you though, that'll change.

I'm not too sure about that. The author of the article seems to be confused because he talks about the 2005 fiscal year wrapping up September 30, but fiscal year 2005 actually STARTS October 1, 2005. So when the author then refers to fiscal year 2005, I can't tell if he's talking about the real FY 2005 or the mistaken FY 2005. Sometimes it seems like it's one, but other times it seems like the other.

Regardless, the assertion that New Orleans' capital outlay federal funding has been reduced in the past four fiscal years has been substantiated.

Capital outlay projects are the build-a-something projects, as opposed to just paying for services like security personnel, equipment, or desk jockies. Regardless, It wouldn't have changed anything becuase public works projects (government funded capital outlay projects) typically take years and years to complete, depending entirely on the size of the project (ever notice how long it takes to finish a simple highway improvement? imagine building something like a dam levy). Assuming from the information in the article that the reductions started after FY 2001 (i.e. October 1, 2002), that means that less than three years have passed since the reductions started--so even if they were fully funded, New Orleans wouldn't have benefited, or only barely benefited, from any affected improvements because they wouldn't have been built yet.

So the claim is right to the extent that funding has been decreased since FY 2001, but incorrect in that it wouldn't have made a lick of difference in the case of Katrina.

I'm sorry to say that my predictions are coming true. from www.foxnews.com , there is currently a video report posted on the main site titled "Is global warming to blame for Hurricane Katrina's force?"

I mean, dang. So anyway, the next step is to blame the Bush administration for not signing the Kyoto agreement. I'm not kidding or just trying to make a point. Stay tuned.

Edit: Here's a transcript of the report. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167932,00.html
I can't say I agree with your theory that every attempt to link the hurricane to global warming is some sort of plot to get at Bush. You must admit that the whole world has been having some really weird weather of late and to deny even the possibility of it being self-inflicted is somewhat close-minded.

Blame the French. They established it there :D
Blaim the US, they removed the wetlands around the Mississippi delta, the French part of the city isn't nearly as badly flooded.

But that's neither here nor there (but is in another thread. ;) )

I'm actually amazed to see the world responce to this, it's starting to come in and the UN is starting to (slowly as ever) react.

As for the Bush Administration... we'll see what happens with the aid packages and other actions taken to respond to this. I think he got a late start on it, but we'll see...

I'm not too sure about that. The author of the article seems to be confused because he talks about the 2005 fiscal year wrapping up September 30, but fiscal year 2005 actually STARTS October 1, 2005. So when the author then refers to fiscal year 2005, I can't tell if he's talking about the real FY 2005 or the mistaken FY 2005. Sometimes it seems like it's one, but other times it seems like the other.

Regardless, the assertion that New Orleans' capital outlay federal funding has been reduced in the past four fiscal years has been substantiated.

Capital outlay projects are the build-a-something projects, as opposed to just paying for services like security personnel, equipment, or desk jockies. Regardless, It wouldn't have changed anything becuase public works projects (government funded capital outlay projects) typically take years and years to complete, depending entirely on the size of the project (ever notice how long it takes to finish a simple highway improvement? imagine building something like a dam levy). Assuming from the information in the article that the reductions started after FY 2001 (i.e. October 1, 2002), that means that less than three years have passed since the reductions started--so even if they were fully funded, New Orleans wouldn't have benefited, or only barely benefited, from any affected improvements because they wouldn't have been built yet.

So the claim is right to the extent that funding has been decreased since FY 2001, but incorrect in that it wouldn't have made a lick of difference in the case of Katrina.

My mistake then. I stand corrected.

I see a thread in here attempting to link Kyoto to Katrina. Shameful.

I see a thread in here attempting to link Kyoto to Katrina. Shameful.

Yup. Fred Phelps, Osama Bin Laden, George Soros, and any of the nutjobs on the extreme right and left are going to be claiming we brought this on ourself. The only thing we did bring on ourself was the looting.

Although Bush does appear to h ave a particualr dislike for the enviroment.
Well, funny you should put it that way ....

*ahem*

Draft rules would cut pollution controls

By Juliet Eilperin
The Washington Post

WASHINGTON — The Bush administration has drafted regulations that would ease pollution controls on older, dirtier power plants and could allow those that modernize to emit more pollution, rather than less.
The language could undercut dozens of pending state and federal lawsuits aimed at forcing coal-fired plants to cut back emissions of harmful pollutants such as sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxide, said lawyers who worked on the cases.
The draft rules, obtained by The Washington Post from the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC), an advocacy group, contradict the position taken by federal lawyers who have prosecuted polluting facilities in the past, and parallel the industry's line of defense against those suits.
The utilities, and the proposed new rules, take the position that decisions on whether a plant complies with the regulations after modernization should be based on how much pollution it could potentially emit per hour, rather than the current standard of how much it pollutes annually.
Under the new standard, a modernized plant's total emissions could rise if the upgrade allowed it to operate longer hours.
In court filings, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) estimated in 2002 that an hourly standard would allow eight plants in five states — including Maryland, Virginia and West Virginia — to generate legally as much as 100,000 tons a year of pollutants that would be illegal under the existing New Source Review rule. That equals about a third of their total emissions.
EPA spokeswoman Eryn Witcher said the administration believes the existing power-plant rule is no longer necessary because of other regulatory initiatives. She said a newer and different regulation designed to cut pollution from Eastern power plants, the Clean Air Interstate Rule, would achieve greater pollution reductions than the New Source Review modernization guidelines.
"We are committed to permanent significant emissions reductions from power plants because what matters is environmental results, and we get far better results under the Bush administration's Clean Air Interstate Rule, which cuts emissions by 70 percent," she said. That rule sets a cap that would cut industrywide emissions over the next decade and allow less-polluting plants to sell credits to dirtier facilities to reach the overall goal.
But John Walke, NRDC's clean-air director, said: "This radical proposal is a 180-degree flip-flop from what the administration has been arguing in court. Instead of protecting public health, now EPA wants to protect the polluters. The proposal would completely sabotage clean-air law enforcement, and it would be open season for power plants to pollute even more."
The administration's new version of New Source Review marks the latest salvo in a regulatory and legal tug of war over how best to regulate aging plants that are major contributors to air pollution, producing much of the sulfur-dioxide and nitrogen-oxide emissions, especially in the East. Those two pollutants cause more than 20,000 premature deaths a year, studies show.

Certainly doesn't help the situation any, saying nothing of Kyoto.

Blame the French. They established it there :D

Yep the French where dumb enough to build it there, However we where dumb enough to buy it from them :p

With all the money given by the Bush administration for the war against the Arabs, wether in Israel or Iraq, the US could have aranged hundreds of helicopters and rescue teams that would have been there. Fuck those extreme right bastards.

Yep the French where dumb enough to build it there, However we where dumb enough to buy it from them :p

Yep! Damn Thomas Jefferson! :p

Blame the French. They established it there :D

Leave it to a Bushevik to turn a human tragedy into a political cheap shot at the French first chance he gets.

:rolleyes:

Yesterday (1 september), France, Russia and the UK offered specialised help together with the the one offered by the EU (the "Commission", for retards, this is the joint money given by member states). Bush refused the specialised help of nations like France that have lightyears of advance in crissis situations like this. Regarding the 1998 situation of the avalanches and the "river-tsunami" of 2000 and the way they solved the problem in a mountainregion in 48 hours (evacuation+ stopping of the water in 2000) for about 110.000 people, it is a crime to refuse help from more developed countries (in this matter) then the US and asking for $ instead.

Is he really that stupid that the people across the Ocean will give him money that he will spend in Iraq and so put in his own pocket like he did via H.Burton or other Enron situations? Your president refused the aid and only asked money, € that will help nobody but the Bush administration. We know the thief by now.But still sympathise with the US citizens in need of all aid! ((forget the Republican FOX propaganda, our goverments and citizens (=taxpayers for republicans) just want to help, watch BBC!))
The best help in the world will be given but not the money, he lied to us way to much (Iraq, WMD's anti European and anti third world attitude, anti Palestinian-pro illegal occupation aso, aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,etc,etc,etc,etc,aso,aso...) to ask our taxpayers money for his private wars. The best problemsolvers are here, just listen to the people in N.Orleans that are desperatly waiting for the French and Uk teams. Even now, when they come the Us can learn from there expertise that is given as a friend and payed by our money.
We offered, Bush refused, people are dying. We can compare this attitude to the one of Puttin regarding the Kursk submarine. To hell with his false pride, help the (mostly poor blacks) in the Big Easy! Just say yes, it is given for free by old friends .

And unlike Us (Republican)administrations, we don't ask money after we helped :rolleyes: Help is help, the disasterteams in France and the UK are mobilised (on our expences) and ready. Why refuse? The people in New Orleans are waiting for the ones that founded the city (Orléans).

(Snip)

My theory is that Bush and his NeoCon buddies/masters don't want to lose face by accepting help from Old Europe and especially the French. After all their whole platform has been built partially on deriding Europe, dehumanizing the French and bragging about not needing any help.

Leave it to a Bushevik to turn a human tragedy into a political cheap shot at the French first chance he gets.

:rolleyes:

It was sarcasm Dude!

Blame the French. They established it there :D

Well, when things are OK for the US you denie the European heritage, when it goes wrong, suddenly you blame the Europeans. Can you post something withouth your obsessive hate towards Europeans?

Jezus another post that shows the community that you are a marginal paranoid freak. You're such a waste.
BTW, what are you today: History teacher, soldier, kid waiting for Iraq father, metereologist, Jewish student, youth medal? (just some examples of your paranoid posts :D ) It is getting better day by day, ever contacted George Lucas? You will do good as some kind of freak. :p

News flash for those not following the news:

The Administration hasn't turned down any offers of help.

News flash for those not following the news:

The Administration hasn't turned down any offers of help.
Real News flash, the Administation turned dow all offer of foreign help.
Best and knowed News Flash for the community: it is Corny!!!!! Hahahahaha

Corny even Saddam would be a more reliable source then you, stop making a fool of yourself, we know you here on the forum, you don't need to proof yourself again

Real News flash, the Administation turned dow all offer of foreign help.
Best and knowed News Flash for the community: it is Corny!!!!! Hahahahaha

Linky please!

Yesterday (1 september), France, Russia and the UK offered specialised help together with the the one offered by the EU (the "Commission", for retards, this is the joint money given by member states). Bush refused the specialised help of nations like France that have lightyears of advance in crissis situations like this. Regarding the 1998 situation of the avalanches and the "river-tsunami" of 2000 and the way they solved the problem in a mountainregion in 48 hours (evacuation+ stopping of the water in 2000) for about 110.000 people, it is a crime to refuse help from more developed countries (in this matter) then the US and asking for $ instead.

Is he really that stupid that the people across the Ocean will give him money that he will spend in Iraq and so put in his own pocket like he did via H.Burton or other Enron situations? Your president refused the aid and only asked money, € that will help nobody but the Bush administration. We know the thief by now.But still sympathise with the US citizens in need of all aid! ((forget the Republican FOX propaganda, our goverments and citizens (=taxpayers for republicans) just want to help, watch BBC!))
The best help in the world will be given but not the money, he lied to us way to much (Iraq, WMD's anti European and anti third world attitude, anti Palestinian-pro illegal occupation aso, aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,etc,etc,etc,etc,aso,aso...) to ask our taxpayers money for his private wars. The best problemsolvers are here, just listen to the people in N.Orleans that are desperatly waiting for the French and Uk teams. Even now, when they come the Us can learn from there expertise that is given as a friend and payed by our money.
We offered, Bush refused, people are dying. We can compare this attitude to the one of Puttin regarding the Kursk submarine. To hell with his false pride, help the (mostly poor blacks) in the Big Easy! Just say yes, it is given for free by old friends .

And unlike Us (Republican)administrations, we don't ask money after we helped :rolleyes: Help is help, the disasterteams in France and the UK are mobilised (on our expences) and ready. Why refuse? The people in New Orleans are waiting for the ones that founded the city (Orléans).

Well put!!!!!!

BTW where are Corneliu's (are his multiple puppets) links :D

Linky please!
I see a pattern here :rolleyes:

News flash for those not following the news:

The Administration hasn't turned down any offers of help.
wrong again:

"We want to reassure the president and the people of the United States that we are their best friends and their neighbour, and we will be there to help them in a situation that truly is without parallel in our country or theirs," Deputy Prime Minister Anne McLellan said Wednesday (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050831.waid0831/BNStory/Front).

"Yesterday, the Department of Human Health Services in the U.S. contacted our public health agency and asked for an inventory of emergency supplies that, if they need them, we could send at a moment's notice."

That inventory was completed Wednesday.

American officials are still assessing their needs, but in coming days Canada will be prepared to send everything from water purification systems to the Canadian military's Disaster Assistance Response Team.

It is three days since we offered assistance and still no takers.

My theory is that Bush and his NeoCon buddies/masters don't want to lose face by accepting help from Old Europe and especially the French. After all their whole platform has been built partially on deriding Europe, dehumanizing the French and bragging about not needing any help.

Corny will not like you :)

Linky please!
I think this quote by Bush was being referred to.
"I'm not expecting much from foreign nations, because I haven't asked for it. I'm expecting sympathy and maybe some will send cash," he said."
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=nation_world&id=3403364

Bush has been interpreted as not accepting or seeking foreign aid. Luckily, Red Cross isn't run by Bush.

Well put!!!!!!

BTW where are Corneliu's (are his multiple puppets) links :D
Corny has puppets? :rolleyes:

My theory is that Bush and his NeoCon buddies/masters don't want to lose face by accepting help from Old Europe and especially the French. After all their whole platform has been built partially on deriding Europe, dehumanizing the French and bragging about not needing any help.

I'm not sure the French are a factor. I don't have any information more recent than last night, but last I heard they hadn't offered assistance.

How the hell did we get on the topic of the French anyway?

wrong again:

"We want to reassure the president and the people of the United States that we are their best friends and their neighbour, and we will be there to help them in a situation that truly is without parallel in our country or theirs," Deputy Prime Minister Anne McLellan said Wednesday (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050831.waid0831/BNStory/Front).

"Yesterday, the Department of Human Health Services in the U.S. contacted our public health agency and asked for an inventory of emergency supplies that, if they need them, we could send at a moment's notice."

That inventory was completed Wednesday.

American officials are still assessing their needs, but in coming days Canada will be prepared to send everything from water purification systems to the Canadian military's Disaster Assistance Response Team..

You're trying to talk with one that doesn't suscribe the rules of a debate. (arguments and contra, he lies)You have enough posts to understand and see on NS that the kid is not a interesting person to debate with. Ignore him, you're way to intelligent. There are a lot of people from the republican and the democrat views that are better armed with decent arguments then this (on NS knowed) lost liar. He is a champ in lies here, we all know ;)

I think this quote by Bush was being referred to.
"I'm not expecting much from foreign nations, because I haven't asked for it. I'm expecting sympathy and maybe some will send cash," he said."
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=nation_world&id=3403364

Bush has been interpreted as not accepting or seeking foreign aid. Luckily, Red Cross isn't run by Bush.

Cash, like I said.
Every help will be given (read my post) but cash to liar and thief, NO

Well put!!!!!!

BTW where are Corneliu's (are his multiple puppets) links :D

I don't have any puppets. I know you do!

I don't have any puppets. I know you do!

Liar! Everyone knows this account is one of your puppets!

<_<

>_>

I don't have any puppets. I know you do!
You really are a problem on NS, we all know that you're a puppet master. Busted and busted again, need a forumsearch in wich you are busted?
I have a page saved in my "favorites". 2 minutes. :D

Here it is, a verry nice Corny page:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9425745#post9425745

Busted once again, liar once again, ridicule once again. you asked for it liar champ!

All Enjoy!

I think this quote by Bush was being referred to.
"I'm not expecting much from foreign nations, because I haven't asked for it. I'm expecting sympathy and maybe some will send cash," he said."
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=nation_world&id=3403364

Bush has been interpreted as not accepting or seeking foreign aid. Luckily, Red Cross isn't run by Bush.

I guess no one heard Condoleza Rice! Figures!

I just checked every major news agency and so far, nothing on turning down aide.

You're trying to talk with one that doesn't suscribe the rules of a debate. (arguments and contra, he lies)You have enough posts to understand and see on NS that the kid is not a interesting person to debate with. Ignore him, you're way to intelligent. There are a lot of people from the republican and the democrat views that are better armed with decent arguments then this (on NS knowed) lost liar. He is a champ in lies here, we all know ;)
Thanks for the compliment. :) And yes you are entirely correct in your assessment of the situation. I have ignored him in the past, but sometimes, I don't like the BS that he posts (which is most of the time) and I call him on it. Perhaps you are right and, that I should ignore the kid.

I'm not sure the French are a factor. I don't have any information more recent than last night, but last I heard they hadn't offered assistance.

How the hell did we get on the topic of the French anyway?

They have now as has many other nations.

According to Rice, no aide offer has been turned down as of yet.

You really are a problem on NS, we all know that you're a puppet master. Busted and busted again, need a forumsearch in wich you are busted?
I have a page saved in my "favorites". 2 minutes. :D

This coming from a guy who's SN is bushrepublicanliars...hmmm....

:rolleyes:

This coming from a guy who's SN is bushrepublicanliars...hmmm....

:rolleyes:

So what, read his posts? Or like Corny, shooting the pianist? Poor you.

Here it is, a verry nice Corny page:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9425745#post9425745

Busted once again, liar once again, ridicule once again. you asked for it liar champ!

All Enjoy!

Wow, another example. Nice archive of Corneliu's lies you have! Please keep on posting!

Wow, another example. Nice archive of Corneliu's lies you have! Please keep on posting!

Considering he's your puppet, no surprise you believe your own lies!

Considering he's your puppet, no surprise you believe your own lies!
Euh, who are ya talkin about? Struck again in your own lies? Jezus you really are pathetic and need some professional help (ask you parents). Poor thing :( .Get help, really, you are getting freakier by the day here on NS :eek:

wow this forum is full of crazy people and actualy bush is still at fault for the aid being so slow and problematic he friging went off to a war on false pretenses and drained our military simply to payback sadam for the war that cost his father his presidency :headbang: now we do not have all the forces that we need to keep full order and so many people were to stupid not to listen to the warnings to get out now when they rebuild it they should bring in a realy large amount of dirt and build the city up so that it is well abouve sea level

Piekrom']wow this forum is full of crazy people and actualy bush is still at fault for the aid being so slow and problematic he friging went off to a war on false pretenses and drained our military simply to payback sadam for the war that cost his father his presidency :headbang: now we do not have all the forces that we need to keep full order and so many people were to stupid not to listen to the warnings to get out now when they rebuild it they should bring in a realy large amount of dirt and build the city up so that it is well abouve sea level
Nice, Corneliu. :D

When the shock of this disaster has worn off, I'm also encouraging people to not give respectability to opportunistic environmental extremists who will blame Katrina on global warming and the Bush administration--like America is somehow reaping the consequences of its sins against nature, or whatever. This makes as much sense as blaming 9/11 on homosexuals. What? You don't seem to have a clue about the climate, so please don't make false assumptions. Hurricanes are a natural cooling mechanism. There's been a tremendous amount of them. The weather's been getting hotter. I
These are quite a bunch of coincidences. It's highly unlikely that global warming is not responsible for it; the only thing you can debate is whether global warming is cyclic and things will get better.

Sometimes bad things just happen for no discernable reason. Our response under those circumstances shouldn't be to seize an opportunity to jab at political opponents, but to show our willingness to set aside our differences. I believe that human nature is inherently selfish, but circumstances like these give us the opportunity to overcome what we are to make a positive difference without expectation of reward. Generosity is addictive--give it a try :)I don't think Bush should be using the hurricane to make himself look like the crisis president he isn't. Sorry if that's a jab, but I feel it's justified that he not be able to profit from the situation.

Thanks for the compliment. :) And yes you are entirely correct in your assessment of the situation. I have ignored him in the past, but sometimes, I don't like the BS that he posts (which is most of the time) and I call him on it. Perhaps you are right and, that I should ignore the kid.

Believe what you will but I haven't seen anything crossing any of my news wires (and I get them all) stating that bush turned down aide!

Yesterday (1 september), France, Russia and the UK offered specialised help together with the the one offered by the EU (the "Commission", for retards, this is the joint money given by member states). Bush refused the specialised help of nations like France that have lightyears of advance in crissis situations like this. Regarding the 1998 situation of the avalanches and the "river-tsunami" of 2000 and the way they solved the problem in a mountainregion in 48 hours (evacuation+ stopping of the water in 2000) for about 110.000 people, it is a crime to refuse help from more developed countries (in this matter) then the US and asking for $ instead.

Is he really that stupid that the people across the Ocean will give him money that he will spend in Iraq and so put in his own pocket like he did via H.Burton or other Enron situations? Your president refused the aid and only asked money, € that will help nobody but the Bush administration. We know the thief by now.But still sympathise with the US citizens in need of all aid! ((forget the Republican FOX propaganda, our goverments and citizens (=taxpayers for republicans) just want to help, watch BBC!))
The best help in the world will be given but not the money, he lied to us way to much (Iraq, WMD's anti European and anti third world attitude, anti Palestinian-pro illegal occupation aso, aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,aso,etc,etc,etc,etc,aso,aso...) to ask our taxpayers money for his private wars. The best problemsolvers are here, just listen to the people in N.Orleans that are desperatly waiting for the French and Uk teams. Even now, when they come the Us can learn from there expertise that is given as a friend and payed by our money.
We offered, Bush refused, people are dying. We can compare this attitude to the one of Puttin regarding the Kursk submarine. To hell with his false pride, help the (mostly poor blacks) in the Big Easy! Just say yes, it is given for free by old friends .

And unlike Us (Republican)administrations, we don't ask money after we helped :rolleyes: Help is help, the disasterteams in France and the UK are mobilised (on our expences) and ready. Why refuse? The people in New Orleans are waiting for the ones that founded the city (Orléans).

Please come and forgive the hate of our president. We don't hate you, he does.

Believe what you will but I haven't seen anything crossing any of my news wires (and I get them all) stating that bush turned down aide!Then you missed something. Bush has said that he didn't need foreign aid when Schröder offered it. The new US embassador to Germany toned it down.

Then you missed something. Bush has said that he didn't need foreign aid when Schröder offered it. The new US embassador to Germany toned it down.

There is a way on how to do this. Condi Rice had a press conference on this earlier. Apparently there was a mix up in signals because according to her, and this was a few hours ago, no aide has been turned down as of yet.

Condi's Speech with questions regarding it!

I WAS RIGHT! Nothing has been turned down however nothing has been accepted yet.

http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2005/52478.htm

There is a way on how to do this. Condi Rice had a press conference on this earlier. Apparently there was a mix up in signals because according to her, and this was a few hours ago, no aide has been turned down as of yet.Right. This was on the news over here six hours ago at 20:00 (and there was footage of the Ambassador's response available by that time). Aid has been turned down by Bush but the Ambassador toned it down saying that no "unneccesary" aid was needed and that the situation of what would be needed had to be assessed first.

There is a way on how to do this. Condi Rice had a press conference on this earlier. Apparently there was a mix up in signals because according to her, and this was a few hours ago, no aide has been turned down as of yet.
Stop the lies, first aid was offered 36 hours ago now.Stop your propaganda in such a tragedy. Those guys offered us help, how can you still denie that, just watch every foreign EU channel (they all made a "organised lie" for you?, you must be crazzy then). Just watch BBC, RAI, FRANCE 2. Perhaps you don't have acces but please stop the lies, we don't need this now, we need their offered help. Stop spreading hate propaganda in this situation, we aren't helped with it.

Right. This was on the news over here six hours ago at 20:00 (and there was footage of the Ambassador's response available by that time). Aid has been turned down by Bush but the Ambassador toned it down saying that no "unneccesary" aid was needed and that the situation of what would be needed had to be assessed first.

Read Condi's speech as well as the question and answer session!

Read Condi's speech as well as the question and answer session!Right... I'm sorry but Condi isn't being honest then. Bush did turn down the aid from Germany and it was up to Ambassador Timken to rephrase that. I see it was up to Condi to "rephrase" that too.

There is a way on how to do this. Condi Rice had a press conference on this earlier. Apparently there was a mix up in signals because according to her, and this was a few hours ago, no aide has been turned down as of yet.

Condi's Speech with questions regarding it!

I WAS RIGHT! Nothing has been turned down however nothing has been accepted yet.

http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2005/52478.htm
And as yet, 5 days after the disaster, no offer of assisstance has been ACCEPTED. They are too busy trying to "match these offers of support with the needs on the ground". Maybe the US will accept some outside support next week, maybe the week after? DUH!!

You have the updated list of countries from every corner of the globe that are offering their help, countries like Canada and Italy, the Netherlands, Russia, Israel, China, Azerbaijan, the Philippines, El Salvador, Australia, Turkey and many others. I want to note in particular that we received a generous offer of support from Sri Lanka, a country that, as we speak, is still recovering from its own massive natural disaster. Every contribution is important; and over the past few days, I have been in contact with a wide range of officials from other nations and international organizations to respond to these offers of support.

The State Department is coordinating closely with the Department of Homeland Security to match these offers of support with the needs on the ground. Some of the needs will be longer-term needs as those areas and citizens hit by Katrina recover and begin to rebuild their lives, their families and their futures. In my discussions with my counterparts I've been heartened at their offers of both short-term and long-term support.

"Natural disasters and the Bush administration"

Two things that don't mix so well...

i am sorry velo but i am not cornils i am just anouther bush hating anti war person who thinks that it would have been better to keep our troups at home defending our boardes and closing of the boarder with mexico with one giant wall in reality if all of the troups were here we would have had a larger task forse to clean up and notice i also blamed the people there for staying thinking it would not be to bad they should have just taken a bus out a few days before that is what i would have done i also just read that you guys said that bush refused international aid is that right well if that is the case that is ok after all as we are the richest nation we should prove our self reliance but we should not be to stuck up i am actual an egyptian (and can prove it) so i have some insite into the feelings and emotions of the middle east and unfortianetly for all of you and me science i am also living here in america the terorist organizations are not as far off of the quaran as we all would like to believe infact this is simply an evolution of terrorisum that has existed for a thousand some years being helped by modern technology if you like i can explain what has happened in the land of egypt to the copts the people that have alwayes lived in egypt and still do most of us are coptic orthodox christians but after the arab invasions we have been subjected to subhuman conditions billions of my people were myartered at the hands of the muslims and our culture and language was almost totaly distroyed but we have hung on through the church and god which strengthens us most of that stoped when the french came to egypt so thank you france

*snip*

Thanks for reiterating what I already said regarding aide. It has been offered but it hasn't been accepted NOR rejected as of yet.

Thanks for reiterating what I already said regarding aide. It has been offered but it hasn't been accepted NOR rejected as of yet.

Which is of course delaying the delivery of aid and assistance to the poor people of New Orleans who needs it, which is the point they were making.

Which is of course delaying the delivery of aid and assistance to the poor people of New Orleans who needs it, which is the point they were making.

You have to see what is needed and where it is needed and just how your going to get it there. There is a process to how this is done.

You have to see what is needed and where it is needed and just how your going to get it there. There is a process to how this is done.

Now if this was said by Kofi Annan, you would be bitching about the United Nations being a corrupt, obsolete and bureaucracy-choked morass that takes forever to get anything done in time.

Now if this was said by Kofi Annan, you would be bitching about the United Nations being a corrupt, obsolete and bureaucracy-choked morass that takes forever to get anything done in time.

Actually no. I wouldn't. I even think that the US is a bureaucracy choked morass that takes forever to get anything done in time. It moves only when motivated to do so and that is sad.

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When the shock of this disaster has worn off, I'm also encouraging people to not give respectability to opportunistic environmental extremists who will blame Katrina on global warming and the Bush administration--like America is somehow reaping the consequences of its sins against nature, or whatever. This makes as much sense as blaming 9/11 on homosexuals.


Global warming is real and is believed to have had an effect (how much is still being debated). Natural climate change also has had an effect, a more populated planet insures greater chances of disaster with any extreme change in a cycle. Enviormental degradation stripped away coastline that could have protected New Orleans. The Socal System utterly failed in all respects (maybe an unavoidable failure, but a failure by any other name is still a failure). There are real concrete reasons why things are going so badly in New Orleans and the Gulf Coast. No one is talking sins against nature, we are talking about failing policies and a new reality.


Sometimes bad things just happen for no discernable reason. Our response under those circumstances shouldn't be to seize an opportunity to jab at political opponents, but to show our willingness to set aside our differences.

Everything has a reason! What matters most (aside from the immediate of saving lives and rebuilding) is forcing through reforms so there is no such failure like this again! For those reforms to come through those in power have to be punished, the Socal System did after fail on their watch! Maybe this sounds political (well everythings political, get used to it), but this country is badly in need of reform, enviornmental and technocratic. Katrina is a wake up call, just like the Great Depression (the only other post-civil war domestic disaster equal in scope), that things need to change!

cornel i was not suporting the point that it was niether acepted or rejected i just said i knew nothing about it i did not even know aid was offered perhaps you should read that post more carefully

um veol i am still waiting for an appology on you calling me cornel when i am not he

Piekrom']um veol i am still waiting for an appology on you calling me cornel when i am not he

I hate to break this to you Piekrom but Velo never apologies when he is wrong.

I just wanted to get a head start on this. Katrina has left New Orleans and other coastal cities pretty much underwater. Aside from the death and destruction, there are serious concerns about disease due to the unsanitary conditions. I encourage everyone to consider donating funds to the Red Cross or similar relief organizations. I also encourage folks to donate blood, as significant stocks of blood were wiped out and blood will undoubtedly be needed to treat people who are sick or injured from the storm.

When the shock of this disaster has worn off, I'm also encouraging people to not give respectability to opportunistic environmental extremists who will blame Katrina on global warming and the Bush administration--like America is somehow reaping the consequences of its sins against nature, or whatever. This makes as much sense as blaming 9/11 on homosexuals.

Sometimes bad things just happen for no discernable reason. Our response under those circumstances shouldn't be to seize an opportunity to jab at political opponents, but to show our willingness to set aside our differences. I believe that human nature is inherently selfish, but circumstances like these give us the opportunity to overcome what we are to make a positive difference without expectation of reward. Generosity is addictive--give it a try :)

to the last paragraph ohah

Leave it to a Bushevik to turn a human tragedy into a political cheap shot at the French first chance he gets.

:rolleyes:
Might just be some inner sense of inadequacy, that the French way of life liberty and fashion just brings out the best in Corny!
Maybe there's some equity there in the competition.
(There's a lot of maybes ....)

Euh, who are ya talkin about? Struck again in your own lies? Jezus you really are pathetic and need some professional help (ask you parents). Poor thing :( .Get help, really, you are getting freakier by the day here on NS :eek:

Velo, OFFICIALLY WARNED FOR FLAMING. Cut it out.
Bushrepublican liarsm, OFFICIALLY WARNED FOR FLAMING. Cut it out.

Additionally, ladies and gents, I can tell you that while someone else may be using puppets to support their arguments -- it is not Corneliu.

Additionally, ladies and gents, I can tell you that while someone else may be using puppets to support their arguments -- it is not Corneliu.

Thank you Katganistan. About time the truth is known. I thank you!

Corneliu, did you, by chance, get my telegram?

Corneliu, did you, by chance, get my telegram?

Yes I did. I was going to respond to it. Let me finish up tabbing up my international law stuff and I shall reply to it.

Yes I did. I was going to respond to it. Let me finish up tabbing up my international law stuff and I shall reply to it.

Thank you.

bush did accept aid he just talked about it just now at 10:15 eastern time and then he turned the talk to the war on terror talk about political advantige of a situation