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My fiancees coworker was raped two nights ago. She went on a date with a guy she met through a Christian dating service online, was possibly drugged and was raped by this scumbag.

She filed a police report and the guy is out on bail already. She is going to press charges and all that which is great. I can't understand how a rape victim can ever feel like they are at fault for what happened, even if they were doing drugs/alcohol/dressing slutty or whatever.

But get this... the guy runs a designated driver service. So I am here to tell you never to use a service like that because it looks to me the guy does it as a way to pray on people he knows will be enebriated, and who knows who else does it for the same purpose. This guy was so bold as to do it on a date with someone who knew who he was so I wouldn't put it past him. Just take a taxi!

I hope this guy goes to prison and finds out (Repeatedly) what it's like to be raped. .

Ouch.. Hope they catch the bastard.

They feel at fault because a] it's a natural reaction to being violated, and b] people make them feel that way.

The worst thing is that often the bastards get sentences of 7 years or so.

I hope the girl recovers from it… and that he gets what he deserves.

Moments like these are when I feel public castration should be legalized.

I hate to hear shit like this. The world is full of vultures.

Maybe they'll find him in the gutter and save us all some grief.

wait... so one person in one city is a sicko and because of it we need to warn women not to ever use similar services? :confused:

Moments like these are when I feel public castration should be legalized.


Thats too neat and surgical. Just a nice sound mashing with a Stilson wrench. Leave his stuff there, but render it useless. A little reminder.

wait... so one person in one city is a sicko and because of it we need to warn women not to ever use similar services? :confused:


I am saying that I personally think people who run designated driver services are probably doing so because they think it is a great way to take advantage of enebriated folk. I think it's safer not to use them and go for the good ol' taxi service instead. You can do whatever you want. I'm just giving a heads up.

Thats too neat and surgical. Just a nice sound mashing with a Stilson wrench. Leave his stuff there, but render it useless. A little reminder. No, irreversible punishments are bad because if you get the wrong guy, as does happen…
Slave labour. That's all I need to say. Suffice to say that I am angered by the sentences given nowadays, effectively condemning another woman - maybe even your wife or daughter - to being raped ten years down the line.

Thats too neat and surgical. Just a nice sound mashing with a Stilson wrench. Leave his stuff there, but render it useless. A little reminder.

No, maybe stretching. I'm seeing rope, balls, weights. Like pressing, slowly add more weight.

wait... so one person in one city is a sicko and because of it we need to warn women not to ever use similar services? :confused:


how do you know this woman was the first victim? i think its fine to caution people about things. people will still use the service, but they may become more informed on the reputation of the particular company and may be more careful.

:( that's awful


and also, don't forget to keep your thumb over the lid of your bottle if you're up dancing, a girl who works with my nan, only 19, had her drink spiked and it caused her to have a stroke

how do you know this woman was the first victim? i think its fine to caution people about things. people will still use the service, but they may become more informed on the reputation of the particular company and may be more careful.


To be fair, she wasn't a victim of the designated driver service. She was just on a date with the guy who ran one (I don't know the name of it). It just seems too convenient that this guy is in such a business.

By all means people do what you want. I am not calling for the banning of these services. But I think spreading information like this is good to keep people cautious.

My fiancees coworker was raped two nights ago. She went on a date with a guy she met through a Christian dating service online, was possibly drugged and was raped by this scumbag.

She filed a police report and the guy is out on bail already. She is going to press charges and all that which is great. I can't understand how a rape victim can ever feel like they are at fault for what happened, even if they were doing drugs/alcohol/dressing slutty or whatever.

But get this... the guy runs a designated driver service. So I am here to tell you never to use a service like that because it looks to me the guy does it as a way to pray on people he knows will be enebriated, and who knows who else does it for the same purpose. This guy was so bold as to do it on a date with someone who knew who he was so I wouldn't put it past him. Just take a taxi!

I hope this guy goes to prison and finds out (Repeatedly) what it's like to be raped. .

I wonder if this is a good reason to avoid Christian dating services, also... doesn't sound like they have a very effective screening procedure...

The sooner they put a capital sentence on rape, the better.

I wonder if this is a good reason to avoid Christian dating services, also... doesn't sound like they have a very effective screening procedure...

The sooner they put a capital sentence on rape, the better. Eeecchh… don't put capital sentences on rape… case of a white woman who was raped by a black guy a while back and she chose the wrong one because whites find it harder to distinguish between black people. (He was released) As I said, slave labour with former Russian Commissars overseeing. Rape is one of the vilest crimes in existence.

Eeecchh… don't put capital sentences on rape… case of a white woman who was raped by a black guy a while back and she chose the wrong one because whites find it harder to distinguish between black people. (He was released) As I said, slave labour with former Russian Commissars overseeing. Rape is one of the vilest crimes in existence.

I'm still of the opinion there should be a death penalty. Something quick and painless, perhaps... like a lethal injection.

I mean - they get the wrong guy... it's all over, you don't 'suffer'.

But, I think you'd want to be fairly certain about it - perhaps only use the penalty in the cases of witnessed rape, or repeat offenders.

I'm still of the opinion there should be a death penalty. Something quick and painless, perhaps... like a lethal injection.

I mean - they get the wrong guy... it's all over, you don't 'suffer'.

But, I think you'd want to be fairly certain about it - perhaps only use the penalty in the cases of witnessed rape, or repeat offenders. Not like the case in Britain where a 21-year old was raped and her parents heard it on the phone… fairly bulletproof evidence there… and a seven year sentence was given. That was irresponsible.

:( that's awful


and also, don't forget to keep your thumb over the lid of your bottle if you're up dancing, a girl who works with my nan, only 19, had her drink spiked and it caused her to have a stroke
Christ. The shit you have to worry about...

I feel terrible for your fiance's coworker Sumamba...and for any and all who have been sexually assaulted. But sometimes this kind of shit just happens, and there is not preparing for it or avoiding it. Now, I hope the justice system will stop this bastard from doing it again.

Isn't the capital sentence for rape a good reason to kill your victim?

Isn't the capital sentence for rape a good reason to kill your victim? Most criminals never think they're going to be caught, and rightly so in the case of rape.

Curious, what are the sentences for rape in the USA?

Most criminals never think they're going to be caught, and rightly so in the case of rape.

Curious, what are the sentences for rape in the USA?


Well there are no across the board Federal guidelines. It's left up to each state. I've seen sentences range from 2 years to life. 2 years for rape...thats rediculous.

Not like the case in Britain where a 21-year old was raped and her parents heard it on the phone… fairly bulletproof evidence there… and a seven year sentence was given. That was irresponsible.

Not just irresponsible... I'd say it was pretty barbaric.... heading back to the old Jewish laws...

Ah well, we have always had backwards laws about things like that.

Well there are no across the board Federal guidelines. It's left up to each state. I've seen sentences range from 2 years to life. 2 years for rape...thats rediculous.

I agree... the way I figure it, anyone that harmed a member of MY family, better be HOPING he gets caught by the police, and that they keep him somewhere safe for the rest of his life....

I am saying that I personally think people who run designated driver services are probably doing so because they think it is a great way to take advantage of enebriated folk. I think it's safer not to use them and go for the good ol' taxi service instead. You can do whatever you want. I'm just giving a heads up.

I think it's simply good sense not to get inebriated around strangers in the first place. If you must party to the point of stupidity, at least travel with a friend whom you trust implicitly to get you home safely.

Note that this is NOT blaming the victim -- she had every right to expect to get home safely, and I hope they string the driver up. However, she does bear some of the responsibility for being unable to protect herself as she knowingly placed herself in a situation where she knew her judgment would be impaired.

That said, I don't think being paranoid about every driver you come in contact with is a realistic solution either.

I agree... the way I figure it, anyone that harmed a member of MY family, better be HOPING he gets caught by the police, and that they keep him somewhere safe for the rest of his life....


and God help them if its my child. you'll be seeing my picture on America's most wanted list.

I wonder if this is a good reason to avoid Christian dating services, also... doesn't sound like they have a very effective screening procedure...

The sooner they put a capital sentence on rape, the better.


I wouldn't say that dating services should be avoided, I would say however that people should be careful around complete strangers.


Has capital punishment ever been shown to make a difference in the number or types of crimes commited? I don' believe killing someone is even really a punishment - I call it getting off easy.

I wouldn't say that dating services should be avoided, I would say however that people should be careful around complete strangers.


Has capital punishment ever been shown to make a difference in the number or types of crimes commited? I don' believe killing someone is even really a punishment - I call it getting off easy.

right...we should torture them publically . then we should take a branding iron and brand the word DANGER across their forehead.

I think it's simply good sense not to get inebriated around strangers in the first place. If you must party to the point of stupidity, at least travel with a friend whom you trust implicitly to get you home safely.

Note that this is NOT blaming the victim -- she had every right to expect to get home safely, and I hope they string the driver up. However, she does bear some of the responsibility for being unable to protect herself as she knowingly placed herself in a situation where she knew her judgment would be impaired.

That said, I don't think being paranoid about every driver you come in contact with is a realistic solution either.


This lady was not getting inebrated around strangers. She said she had a beer with him, but not enough of anything to get her drunk, which is why she thinks she was drugged. So she didn't place herelf in a situation where she knew her judgment would be impaired. She thought she was playing it safe.

I also don't think you should be paranoid about every driver you come in contact with either. I am just saying that after hearing about this that I would take great caution when it comes to designated driver services since they are in the business of driving drunks around and could be in it precisely because drunks are easier to take advantage of. Where as taxi people are just in the taxi business to make money from driving anyone around. I personally think that a taxi seems like a safer bet if you cant get a friend whom you know and trust to drive you.

I am saying that I personally think people who run designated driver services are probably doing so because they think it is a great way to take advantage of enebriated folk. I think it's safer not to use them and go for the good ol' taxi service instead. You can do whatever you want. I'm just giving a heads up.It is theoretically possible for taxi drivers to take an obviously-inebriated passenger out to some remote location and then rape the passenger. A crooked taxi driver would need only have to cruise around a neighborhood populated with nightclubs and bars.

You could try making the argument that those intent on victimizing drunk passengers would go into a designated driver service because there are more opportunities, but the danger still exists to some degree in both types of business.

how do you know this woman was the first victim? i think its fine to caution people about things. people will still use the service, but they may become more informed on the reputation of the particular company and may be more careful.If there's information about a specific offender or a specific business, then I have no problems with an alert being put out against that person or business.

right...we should torture them publically . then we should take a branding iron and brand the word DANGER across their forehead.I oppose this on the grounds that an innocent person might mistakenly be found guilty (and it happens all the time, somewhere). I would certainly NOT want to be tortured for a crime I didn't commit.

I prefer the slave labor approach suggested by "Liskeinland". I wouldn't find hard labor pleasant at all, if I were erroneously found guilty of a crime, but I'm certain I'd like torture even less, and it would still server the purpose of keeping actual offenders out of the general population.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
Founder and Delegate of The Realm of Ambrosia

I oppose this on the grounds that an innocent person might mistakenly be found guilty (and it happens all the time, somewhere). I would certainly NOT want to be tortured for a crime I didn't commit.

I prefer the slave labor approach suggested by "Liskeinland". I wouldn't find hard labor pleasant at all, if I were erroneously found guilty of a crime, but I'm certain I'd like torture even less, and it would still server the purpose of keeping actual offenders out of the general population.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
Founder and Delegate of The Realm of Ambrosia Even though slave labour is harsh, if your conviction is later overturned you can be given compensation and go back to a normal life.

right...we should torture them publically . then we should take a branding iron and brand the word DANGER across their forehead.
How 'bout:

PLEASE KICK MY ASS

Also, Women often call Rape, even when it was consensual, for them to try to get back at an ex or something. Yes, you should be VERY careful when punishing people for Rape.

Also, Women often call Rape, even when it was consensual, for them to try to get back at an ex or something. Yes, you should be VERY careful when punishing people for Rape. Well, I'm generally opposed to irreversible punishments in all things. One innocent life is one too many.

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It is theoretically possible for taxi drivers to take an obviously-inebriated passenger out to some remote location and then rape the passenger. A crooked taxi driver would need only have to cruise around a neighborhood populated with nightclubs and bars.

You could try making the argument that those intent on victimizing drunk passengers would go into a designated driver service because there are more opportunities, but the danger still exists to some degree in both types of business.


--The Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
Founder and Delegate of The Realm of Ambrosia


agreed

on punishment of rape crimes. Down here in Florida we've had so many cases of child rape and molestation. That is the worst crime a person can commit in my opinion. When the guy(or girl) is caught after doing it, and they are absolutely sure he did do it, they should just make him sit on a very sharp pole for 48 hours. For adult(and a possible legal alternative for child rape) rape, they should lock him up in a public prison for life. This way, his(her) life expectancy is very short. Guys who rape little kids are not treated kindly in public prisons for their crimes. Murderers and drug addicts are treated with much more respect. Most rapers(?) who do it more than once, don't stop after being thrown in jail for a couple of years. This one guy went around the beaches of Florida offering young girls spiked water bottles and raped them in his van after they passed out in the bathroom or wherever. When he was finally caught, he had raped over a hundred girls under the age of 18. What's even worse is this one guy who went and raped and killed a baby he was nannying. The parents hadn't done a backround check. If they had, they would have found out that he had plenty of previous rape charges before this one. This is again where we should make special exceptions for torture.
By the way: I took LMS this past summer and this sort of stuff was drilled into our heads constantly.

Where I live, it's rape EVEN IF IT'S CONSENSUAL unless both people say "I want to do this and I am okay with you doing this" out loud, clearly.

Also, I've heard that indecent exposure has harsher sentences than rape, is easier to get a conviction on, and in jail, flashers are regarded with only slightly less disgust than child molesters.

I wouldn't say that dating services should be avoided, I would say however that people should be careful around complete strangers.

Has capital punishment ever been shown to make a difference in the number or types of crimes commited? I don' believe killing someone is even really a punishment - I call it getting off easy.

I'm not worried about 'getting off easy' or 'punishing them'.

I simply think that a rapist has forfeited any 'right to life' they might claim... but, in the interests of not causing possible innocents to suffer... I would say the capital sentence should be quick, and painless.

Where I live, it's rape EVEN IF IT'S CONSENSUAL unless both people say "I want to do this and I am okay with you doing this" out loud, clearly.

Also, I've heard that indecent exposure has harsher sentences than rape, is easier to get a conviction on, and in jail, flashers are regarded with only slightly less disgust than child molesters.


Then both parties should have to sign an date a contract of consent then if it's rape when they don't say that very line.

As for flashers I think that is ridiculous. :eek:

Also, Women often call Rape, even when it was consensual, for them to try to get back at an ex or something. Yes, you should be VERY careful when punishing people for Rape.

I find this kind of hard to believe. Oh, I'm SURE it does happen... but I think you've watched "Wild Things" one time too many...

I'm not worried about 'getting off easy' or 'punishing them'.

I simply think that a rapist has forfeited any 'right to life' they might claim... but, in the interests of not causing possible innocents to suffer... I would say the capital sentence should be quick, and painless.

Well I personally want someone punished harshly for raping someone. I want them to wish they had never done it because of the suffering they are going thru as a consequence. Death is too nice.

As for innocents, I don't know.

No, irreversible punishments are bad because if you get the wrong guy, as does happen…
Slave labour. That's all I need to say. Suffice to say that I am angered by the sentences given nowadays, effectively condemning another woman - maybe even your wife or daughter - to being raped ten years down the line.


I dont even like to speculate if I were in this situation. If anything were to happen to any female in my life-or any violent crime to anyone in my family- I almost hope the offender beats the rap or gets a short sentence- once he's out of the state's custody-he's mine. It would be so much harder to get to him while he was locked up. And he would come to realize there are other people capable of vicious savagery.

I dont even like to speculate if I were in this situation. If anything were to happen to any female in my life-or any violent crime to anyone in my family- I almost hope the offender beats the rap or gets a short sentence- once he's out of the state's custody-he's mine. It would be so much harder to get to him while he was locked up. And he would come to realize there are other people capable of vicious savagery.


I don't draw the line at rape. I have fairly liberal beliefs, but I also have 2 younger sisters. The older one (14) has a boyfriend. She also has hickeys. The boyfriend knows that if he goes any further than that (and the hickeys are hard for me to deal with), he will suffer. I walked in on them kissing once and he whimpered. I am an imposing figure ^.^

I dont even like to speculate if I were in this situation. If anything were to happen to any female in my life-or any violent crime to anyone in my family- I almost hope the offender beats the rap or gets a short sentence- once he's out of the state's custody-he's mine. It would be so much harder to get to him while he was locked up. And he would come to realize there are other people capable of vicious savagery. I agree, that's pretty much what I'd do. There should be far lighter sentences for people who do that, as any decent man could well. It makes me sooo angry to think about that happening to any decent girl I know. Maybe female judges would not give out such light sentences. I'm no fascist, but…

how do you know this woman was the first victim? i think its fine to caution people about things. people will still use the service, but they may become more informed on the reputation of the particular company and may be more careful.

I didn't say one victim. I said one sicko. Are you implying that the victim is a sicko?

Reading comprehension ftw!

how do you know this woman was the first victim? i think its fine to caution people about things. people will still use the service, but they may become more informed on the reputation of the particular company and may be more careful.
And how do you know that this woman isn't the first victim? Seems to me that you've already made your mind up as the guy's innocence or guilt and am now tarring every man who has the same job as him with the same brush, basically accusing them all of being (potential) rapists.
That sort of stereotyping is not a GOOD THING.

then we should take a branding iron and brand the word DANGER across their forehead.
This is a good idea actually. Well not the branding, but maybe just tattooing their offence

Rapist
Thief
Murderer
Child Molester

Stuff like that

Moments like these are when I feel public castration should be legalized.
I agree. Sentences for scum like this should be raised to 25 years if not life.
Rapist are beat on anyway in prison, sadly this isn't good enough for the swine. I hope the girl will be able to get through this.
There should be a public name and shame policy.

And how do you know that this woman isn't the first victim? Seems to me that you've already made your mind up as the guy's innocence or guilt and am now tarring every man who has the same job as him with the same brush, basically accusing them all of being (potential) rapists.
That sort of stereotyping is not a GOOD THING.

I'm thinking you didn't actually read the post....