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I'm feeling creative today.

Anyways...is there a city in Europe you hate so much (a major one)

That you would want to see it destroyed? Or at the very least...one that you just really don't like.

*poll coming up*

Venlo *nod*

Venlo *nod*


In 2003 Venlo was awarded the title "Greenest city of Europe". (off of wiki)

So why Venlo?

In 2003 Venlo was awarded the title "Greenest city of Europe". (off of wiki)

So why Venlo?
Indeed it was.

It's just ugly and the people suck.

Hmm, I think I'd have to go with the Latvian capital Riga. A dump full of unpleasant and homophobic people. Special only for its architectural mediocrity.

I do not know about Europe, but Detroit is the worst city in the world. I would nuke Detroit.

Birmingham. If you like blackened concrete that's great, but not I. All cities have their good areas and their bad areas, though, so it's hard to compare.

Undoubtedly London, expensive dirty and full of foreigners (not connected to dirtiness).
Lived there for 6 years. Transport system crap, schools crap, crime high, beer expensive pish.

And too many bloody Yank tourists!!!

I'm feeling creative today.

Anyways...is there a city in Europe you hate so much (a major one)

That you would want to see it destroyed? Or at the very least...one that you just really don't like.

*poll coming up*

Just a question:

Why in the other thread's poll Madrid wasn't listed, but here is THE SECOND?

Could you answer? :mad:

Thank you in advance.

Not :mad: at all.

Just because France is nothing but pussies and suck ups does not make them have the worst city in all of Europe there a plenty of other shit dumps out there. Take Berlin for example.

Aw, I was a Yank tourist for a while... and I loved London.

I've never been to the others (except Zurich for a couple of hours), but I'll agree that Detroit is awful.

Just a question:

Why in the other thread's poll Madrid wasn't listed, but here is THE SECOND?

Could you answer? :mad:

Thank you in advance.

Not :mad: at all.

I love Madrid! Madrid is a beautiful city with awesome people.

If anything Paris should go :D.

Just because France is nothing but pussies and suck ups does

Have you ever been to France? Because that makes me doubt it, but, I doubt the people who voted for Paris have either, what with places like Riga or Zagreb around.

Undoubtedly London, expensive dirty and full of foreigners (not connected to dirtiness).
Lived there for 6 years. Transport system crap, schools crap, crime high, beer expensive pish.

And too many bloody Yank tourists!!!
It's all a part of turning Britain into the 51st state. ;)

And we're not Yanks. Don't you dare call me a Yankee. I'm Californian.


In fact, call a southerner a Yank sometime. :D That's always a fun game.

It's all a part of turning Britain into the 51st state. ;)

And we're not Yanks. Don't you dare call me a Yankee. I'm Californian.


In fact, call a southerner a Yank sometime. :D That's always a fun game.
I have a friend in London so I'm used to it (I live in Georgia).

Never been to Europe but I would imagine that the Eastern Countries are really crappy.

Just a question:

Why in the other thread's poll Madrid wasn't listed, but here is THE SECOND?

Could you answer? :mad:

Thank you in advance.

Not :mad: at all.

Welll ummmm.... errr... Cuz Madrid Rules! *slinks away*

Really...i have never been to Europe, so i don't know what's good or bad...and i was only listing Capitals from the European countries that i remember off hand. =)

I got nothing but love for you Spaniards. ;p

Birmingham. If you like blackened concrete that's great, but not I.
Seconded

Never been to Europe but I would imagine that the Eastern Countries are really crappy.
It depends. Tallinn is great, Riga is boring, Praque is brilliant etc. Warsaw is ugly as hell but I liked it. St. Petersburg is worth a visit too (I've never been there though).

Riga is boring

And crap!

You folks slamming Detroit...

Were you just driving through or did you stay long enough to actually formulate an opinion?

First impressions are fine and everything, but when you say that a city sucks you need to back it up.

And crap!
mmmmkay...

mmmmkay...

Sorry, I'm just discovering the true extent of my hatred for Riga. Worst. Trip. Ever.

Tirana, Albania

Tirana, Albania

Oooh, now there's a stinker! Never been, but have read about legendary suckage. Of entire country.

You folks slamming Detroit...

Were you just driving through or did you stay long enough to actually formulate an opinion?

First impressions are fine and everything, but when you say that a city sucks you need to back it up.
O.K. So you like blackened concrete and being robbed every hour on the hour?

Welll ummmm.... errr... Cuz Madrid Rules! *slinks away*

Really...i have never been to Europe, so i don't know what's good or bad...and i was only listing Capitals from the European countries that i remember off hand. =)

I got nothing but love for you Spaniards. ;p

Thank you!

BTW, I think our government hould spend a little money on advertising ourselves abroad...

You've never seen the delights of Merthyr Tydfil then? :sniper:

O.K. So you like blackened concrete and being robbed every hour on the hour?

Have you ever been to Detroit? Sure, it's got its bad area(s) but you are grossly exagerating there...

...Perhaps you watch a little too many films/movies.

Milan

Not nuked, there are lots of nice places and good monuments, but sometimes I wonder how would it look like if most of the population got killed (or forced to flee); possibly when vegetation would start to grow among the ruins.

It is smelly, and the air sticks to your skin, and makes you feel dirty.

Have you ever been to Detroit? Sure, it's got its bad area(s) but you are grossly exagerating there...

...Perhaps you watch a little too many films/movies.
Yes, I have been to Detroit, and yes I am exagerating, but only slightly. There is waaay to much crime in Detroit.

Yes, I have been to Detroit, and yes I am exagerating, but only slightly. There is waaay to much crime in Detroit.

It really needs robocop to return

Oooh, now there's a stinker! Never been, but have read about legendary suckage. Of entire country.

yeah, me neither/too... this is a vote based on the reputation of the entire country.

Birmingham. If you like blackened concrete that's great, but not I. All cities have their good areas and their bad areas, though, so it's hard to compare.
While we're in the UK midlands Leicester really sucks.
Another nasty concrete hell is Bielderfeld in Germany. Mad trams, crap hotels and concrete, concrete concrete.

Well, my personal (least) favourite has to be Genoa. See the wondrous sights such as the industrial estates, the refinery, the slums, the container port or the airport (the nicest part) and enjoy the manic Italian drivers attempting to navigate tiny cramped streets at high speed.

Barcelona runs a close second. Not for lack of sights, but for it's proliferation of rat-infested beaches (as big as cats I swear), dirty litter covered streets, pushy prostitutes and drug-pushers, bad-tempered rude people (especially in restaurant staff) and predeliction for towing away foreign-plated cars and impounding them at an hourly rate. Thank goodness for the Hard Rock Cafe for a nice atmosphere and decent, reasonably priced food, and freindly staff.

Never been to Europe but I would imagine that the Eastern Countries are really crappy.
Nor have I, but Prauge, Krakow and other medievale cities there have beautiful old quarters

Milan

Not nuked, there are lots of nice places and good monuments, but sometimes I wonder how would it look like if most of the population got killed (or forced to flee); possibly when vegetation would start to grow among the ruins.

It is smelly, and the air sticks to your skin, and makes you feel dirty.
Kind of a good description for Detriot, except this does not sound as bad as Detroit is.

Nor have I, but Prauge, Krakow and other medievale cities there have beautiful old quarters
I would have to add Warsaw to that list.

You've never seen the delights of Merthyr Tydfil then? :sniper:

In defence of Merthyr (and no, I'm not from there), despite it being a mining town, and every building a dull shade of rendered grey, at least the people are friendly, it's relatively clean, and there is nice countryside not far away. Cheap to live there too.

Nor have I, but Prauge, Krakow and other medievale cities there have beautiful old quarters

I've just got back from Praha (Prague), and it's surprisingly nice. The old quarter is very pretty, and it's nowhere near as dirty as say London or Paris. The people are ok too. The only thing that surprised me was that the prices are nearly as expensive as the UK.

I would have to add Warsaw to that list.
Well, the old town in Warsaw isn't really that old... It's beautifully (stunningly) rebuilt though.

Kind of a good description for Detriot, except this does not sound as bad as Detroit is.

Detroit sports teams tip both sides of the success balance:

Tigers - Baseball - bad for a long time
Lions - Football - never been to a Super Bowl

on the other hand...

Red Wings - Hockey - One of the best teams of the past 10 years or so (3 Stanley Cup titles in that span)

Pistons - Basketball - One of the best teams of the past 20 years or so (3 NBA titles in that span)

Well, my personal (least) favourite has to be Genoa. See the wondrous sights such as the industrial estates, the refinery, the slums, the container port or the airport (the nicest part) and enjoy the manic Italian drivers attempting to navigate tiny cramped streets at high speed.

Barcelona runs a close second. Not for lack of sights, but for it's proliferation of rat-infested beaches (as big as cats I swear), dirty litter covered streets, pushy prostitutes and drug-pushers, bad-tempered rude people (especially in restaurant staff) and predeliction for towing away foreign-plated cars and impounding them at an hourly rate. Thank goodness for the Hard Rock Cafe for a nice atmosphere and decent, reasonably priced food, and freindly staff.

Aaah, Barcelona... If only had changed your trip to "Barna" and came to Madrid... no rats, cleaningfulness, the prostitues are outside the city, the drug-addicts are even further, the people is happy and welcomes you and going by subway is cheaper and better than renting a toxic car of those.

Ps.: We've got Hard Rock Cafes here, too. :D

The worst City ever must be Oslo the capital of Norway, if you want drugs or a whore then that is the place to go. And it is very polluted to.
Malmø in Sweden sucks almost as much; in a few years it might be just as bad as Oslo.

i've been to several european citites and paris was just my least favorite out of the ones i've been to, a little overrated in my opinion...maybe it was just because i didn't find any romance :fluffle:

London.

Large, crowded, dirty, expensive, hard to get around, full of chavs etc etc etc.
I'm British by the way.

Tirana, Albania

*At the border*

Sub-machine gun-armed soldier leans thtough the window: "Any guns, ammunitions or dogs? No? $20

*Drive 10 yards*

Sub-machine gun-armed soldier leans through the window: "$20"

*Gets past border patrol and drives into town* The police are hanging around on the street talking to the general populace who are hanging around on the street. No body works. Well except the police.

*Policeman steps into the middle of the road with a look that says 20 dollars*

*My friend drives around him, and steps on the accelerator.*

Was chased by the police at one point. Lost them. They find it easier to wait for the next foreign plated car.

Oh, and did I mention the incident where the motorway (if you could call it that) suddenly ran out and turned into a field. Needed a new tyre after that.

I'd say the majority of Brits will say London...because we know!! Many have lived there at some time and all have visited!!

As for Eastern Europe, they have some of the most beautiful cities in the world, they weren't destroyed by the High Streetisation that western cities were, though that will all change I am sure (Prague is showing signs).

O.K. So you like blackened concrete and being robbed every hour on the hour?

I think you've been watching way too much Robocop.

Detroit only gets news when something bad happens.

Does anyone NOT in Detroit and not involved in the arts scene know about the Detroit Institute of Arts? It's only one of the top 5 art museums in the country.

Anyone know about the Michigan Opera Theater? Almost universally praised by music lovers who have attended a performance there.

How about the Fisher, Fox and Temple Theaters? Off broadway plays that rival Chicago and Toronto, the acknowledged hub of off-broadway theater.

Or the Detroit Symphony Orchestra? Widely renowned as one of the finest orchestras in the country.

Or the nation's largest African American museum?

Or the yearly Jazz Festival, one of the great meccas for Jazz musicians?

Or Arts, Beats and Eats?

The North American International Auto Show?

The Woodward Dream Cruise?

The Detroit Fireworks?


Look... no one who lives in and around Detroit will ever say that there isn't work to be done. But people like you who blindly condemn someplace you've never been/experienced only makes the job harder. Detroit is not New York, Paris or Sydney. But it's not the shithole that everyone likes to believe it is either.

Educate yourself, please.

Amsterdam. There's so much crime, you won't believe it. On every streetcorner tourists are annoyed by drugdealers. Not pot or anything, but coke and other hard shit. Hands full of pickpockets, shady dealers of all sorts of (stolen) goods, lazy-ass cops and a general sense of being unsafe.

Detroit sports teams tip both sides of the success balance:

Tigers - Baseball - bad for a long time
Lions - Football - never been to a Super Bowl

on the other hand...

Red Wings - Hockey - One of the best teams of the past 10 years or so (3 Stanley Cup titles in that span)

Pistons - Basketball - One of the best teams of the past 20 years or so (3 NBA titles in that span)

Don't forget U of Michigan football and MSU basketball. =)

Nice to see someone actually going to bat against ridiculous stereotypes of Detroit, too.

Amsterdam. There's so much crime, you won't believe it. On every streetcorner tourists are annoyed by drugdealers. Not pot or anything, but coke and other hard shit. Hands full of pickpockets, shady dealers of all sorts of (stolen) goods, lazy-ass cops and a general sense of being unsafe.

That is the allure of the Dam, why else would you go?
If you have seen one van Gough you have seen them all :p

...and if you want to check out an attic, mine needs renovating.

i dont know why people hate london. I love it! I live in Birmingham and think london is my Fav. place to visit!

Visiting London is one thing trying to work and live there another!

and anyone who has actually been to Moscow couldn't possibly vote for that fantastic city!!!
The women and the alcohol are second to none!!!

it's got to be London, i've visited it a few times and i found it so sickly i had to leave, i HATE London, York comes second.

oh and why hate the underground? (in london) Its prob the best transport system around!

HMMM, Cottbus.
My hometown in Germany.
Actually, it isn`t that bad, its just boring as hell. And some parts just plainly suck. Though it is a very green city, with a bunch of parks, a nice theatre and so on. But it sucks.

Been both to Paris and Rome, beutiful cities, crowded, large, but with really nice spots to relax, just the way I like it.

Was chased by the police at one point. Lost them. They find it easier to wait for the next foreign plated car.

Oh, and did I mention the incident where the motorway (if you could call it that) suddenly ran out and turned into a field. Needed a new tyre after that.
hahahaaa (sorry..)
Never ever drive in Albania a) if you don't look like Albanian b) don't have Albanian plates on your car. Or actually, a better advice, never ever go to Albania

Destroy maybe too strong, but some dissapointments for me were:
Warsaw - very grey
Brussels - dull. i'm yawning thinking of it.
Milan - Boring. (nice cathedral)
Palermo - very "rugged" (not without charms as it has a sense of decayed splendor)


As for the others:

I would disagree with those comments that lump the whole of eastern europe together. A bit like the west there are soul-less, grey, humourless cities lacking redeeming features but there are beautiful unspoilt awe-inspiring places too.

London - Personally I like it,I didnt used to, but ive become really fond of it and these days i love going there. I wouldnt want to live for more than a few months there though!

Paris - Its nice, but so are many places.

Prague - Its a long time ago, but i found it charming

Lisbon - Fantastic!

Athens - Its ok, the metro is nice, but it is dirty and hasslesome

Others (that i saw mentioned):
Tallin is small but excellent.

Tirana - shouldnt judge as i havent been, but i wouldnt expect much from what i read.

Amsterdam - I really like it!

I think you've been watching way too much Robocop.

Detroit only gets news when something bad happens.

Does anyone NOT in Detroit and not involved in the arts scene know about the Detroit Institute of Arts? It's only one of the top 5 art museums in the country.

Anyone know about the Michigan Opera Theater? Almost universally praised by music lovers who have attended a performance there.

How about the Fisher, Fox and Temple Theaters? Off broadway plays that rival Chicago and Toronto, the acknowledged hub of off-broadway theater.

Or the Detroit Symphony Orchestra? Widely renowned as one of the finest orchestras in the country.

Or the nation's largest African American museum?

Or the yearly Jazz Festival, one of the great meccas for Jazz musicians?

Or Arts, Beats and Eats?

The North American International Auto Show?

The Woodward Dream Cruise?

The Detroit Fireworks?


Look... no one who lives in and around Detroit will ever say that there isn't work to be done. But people like you who blindly condemn someplace you've never been/experienced only makes the job harder. Detroit is not New York, Paris or Sydney. But it's not the shithole that everyone likes to believe it is either.

Educate yourself, please.
oddly enough, I have never watched robocop. Also, educate yourself about cities outside America, compare Detroit to some non-american cities, and you will see how much of a s**thole Detriot is. If I condemn a city, i do not condemn it blindly.

It depends on the situation you know like when it's time for the Oktoberfest in munich that's the worst city but overall i would say Paris

Warsaw - very grey

Have you ever been to Warsaw?

Have you ever been to Warsaw?

Yes.

Yes.
Well, you can't say you have been to a city if you only see a small part of it. Maybe you have not seen the better-looking parts of Warsaw?

oddly enough, I have never watched robocop. Also, educate yourself about cities outside America, compare Detroit to some non-american cities, and you will see how much of a s**thole Detriot is. If I condemn a city, i do not condemn it blindly.

I have. I spent four years overseas and have seen quite a few major (and not so major) cities outside of the US.

Truth be told, Detroit is somewhere in the middle. If you grew up in Prague you probably will think Detroit is a shithole. If you grew up in Bangkok, Cairo, Tirana, Johannesberg or someplace similar you would think it a paradise.

I really don't think you spent much time in Detroit. If you had you would know that there is plenty of culture there, despite the infrastructural decay in SOME parts of the city. It very simply is not the shithole you like to claim it is.

Well, you can't say you have been to a city if you only see a small part of it. Maybe you have not seen the better-looking parts of Warsaw?

:D Hey be cool - its not a personal thing!

Yes, I understand that if i were to spend more time in any of these cities I would probably my opinion for the better or worse. Maybe one day I will return and have my mind changed. But for now thats my opinion, which is based on my impressions from my visit which was only a few days and when I was, as i said in the original post, dissapointed by it.

I've never been to Detroit, and I kind of find it interesting that so much debate about Detroit is appearing in the worst *european* cities thread. Showing my limited knowledge here, I believe Detroit had something to do with the Car Industry.

Now Birmingham is an industrial city, that despite it's cultural successes does not in the least deserve its title of The Jewel of the Midlands. More like Fools Gold perhaps. Manchester, on the other hand, is also an industrial city (The Workshop of the World being *its* title) and yet it has managed to adapt, change and renovate itself into somewhere worth going.

Detroit sounds rather like a less well known city, also highly industrialised, or rather it was, before the collapse of the steel, coal and pottery industry, called Stoke on Trent. This is one place that most people don't even know exist, and if they did, would have had them do nuclear testing there years ago. Twenty years ago if it rained your white shirt would have been a lot blacker. But despite it's lack of, well pretty much everything, I don't think I'd have it in my heart to vote it as the worst city.

Why? Because they've tried, really they have. They built the Potteries Shopping Centre.. which caused the rest of the city centre to close down. They built Festival Park, a retail park with cinema, bowling and offices. It turned into Skally park with their chavmobiles parked in shiny rows each night, and the colourful buildings all faded and worn. Hanley Forest Park, a wondrous feat of engineering, considering it used to be 100 feet high slag heaps; but not the best place to go at night. Yet still they persevere, with their run-down polytechnic (now a university) among the top in the country for Law, Business and Computing (but not enough money to keep open 5 departments which were closed this year). It's a long hard struggle where life keeps kicking them in the teeth, and the only thing people have heard of was Wedgwood and Royal Doulton, which are now made in Malaysia.

Stoke's a dump. But they get an A* for grim determination, and good honest down to earth fighting spirit.

Perhaps Detroit is the same?

Yes, I have been to Detroit, and yes I am exagerating, but only slightly. There is waaay to much crime in Detroit.

When was the last time you were there? I work in Detroit, there everyday, and I've never seen anything out of the ordinary (compared to where I live, suburbs of Detroit)...well with the exception of the run downed buildings. There's no more crime in Detroit than there is in any other major US city...or European cities from my personal experience...

EDIT: and I travel in the best and worst parts of Detroit and everything in between and its surrounding areas for my job. So I get the full experience of the city

Well, you can't say you have been to a city if you only see a small part of it. Maybe you have not seen the better-looking parts of Warsaw?

Gak! I'm choking on the hypocrisy!

From someone who condemns an entire city based on their own limited perception of it, you have NO room to talk.

When was the last time you were there? I work in Detroit, there everyday, and I've never seen anything out of the ordinary (compared to where I live, suburbs of Detroit)...well with the exception of the run downed buildings. There's no more crime in Detroit than there is in any other major US city...or European cities from my personal experience...

This is exactly right.

The only difference is that, for some reason, the media enjoy reporting about the bad things that happen in Detroit and not the good things.

Yes, there is urban decay in Detroit. But it's not EVERYWHERE in Detroit. It's not what the city is about. And the crime rate there is not much different than in other major cities.

I think you've been watching way too much Robocop.

Detroit only gets news when something bad happens.

Does anyone NOT in Detroit and not involved in the arts scene know about the Detroit Institute of Arts? It's only one of the top 5 art museums in the country.

Anyone know about the Michigan Opera Theater? Almost universally praised by music lovers who have attended a performance there.

How about the Fisher, Fox and Temple Theaters? Off broadway plays that rival Chicago and Toronto, the acknowledged hub of off-broadway theater.

Or the Detroit Symphony Orchestra? Widely renowned as one of the finest orchestras in the country.

Or the nation's largest African American museum?

Or the yearly Jazz Festival, one of the great meccas for Jazz musicians?

Or Arts, Beats and Eats?

The North American International Auto Show?

The Woodward Dream Cruise?

The Detroit Fireworks?


Look... no one who lives in and around Detroit will ever say that there isn't work to be done. But people like you who blindly condemn someplace you've never been/experienced only makes the job harder. Detroit is not New York, Paris or Sydney. But it's not the shithole that everyone likes to believe it is either.

Educate yourself, please.

Amen to that!

The Worst European City Thread

But see my previous post for views on Detroit.

Other.
This place in Switzerland I visited once.
It has no visible problems, a low crime rate, a satisfied populace and is boring as hell.

Gak! I'm choking on the hypocrisy!

From someone who condemns an entire city based on their own limited perception of it, you have NO room to talk.

Excellent, i hadnt looked at the previous posts. ;)

Visiting London is one thing trying to work and live there another!

and anyone who has actually been to Moscow couldn't possibly vote for that fantastic city!!!
The women and the alcohol are second to none!!!

Moscow - because you need a bodyguard to go anywhere around in Moscow and there are hundreds of corrupt officials. Also, you can have your home stolen from you with no right of appeal. If your home burns down then you have no right to the land it stood on.

Easy : Sarajevo, bosnia owns all as worst city.

Its ugly, gunfighting in the streets, along with mines, blockades, dirty, collapsing destroyed buildings, destroyed vehicles and tanks, and military battles makes this my choice.


Rebels on MG, outside the city (http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/Bosnia/updates/sep95/9-17/gun_fighting.jpg)

More fighting (http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/Bosnia/updates/sep95/9-17/soldier_truckcaption.jpg)

Sarajevo on fire (http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/315000/images/_318662_saraj300.jpg)

Burning town (http://rbih.topcities.com/imagesOfWar/26gorazde.gif)

Is Hull a city? If not I'd go with Amsterdam (from my limited experience of cities).

Athens. Probably iproved since theclean-up for the Olympics, but whe I was there it was fucking dirty hole with a maddening road system lots of incredibly obnoxious people and some of the scariest police I've ever had the displeasure to encounter. Oh, and WAY too many tourists. (I was there on business,so :p )

What about Rome? Horrifically dirty, and with nothing to reccomend it besides some nice architecture sometimes.

Gak! I'm choking on the hypocrisy!

From someone who condemns an entire city based on their own limited perception of it, you have NO room to talk.
What hypocrisy? I have been visited a large part of both Warsaw and Detroit. Detroit is not only full of crime, but also heavily polluted, and that is not the cas with all major cities. Do not say that my whole "Detriot Sucks" thing is not backed, as it is.

What about Rome? Horrifically dirty, and with nothing to reccomend it besides some nice architecture sometimes.

And good (an relatively cheap) food

I would'n want to live there (or in any other major city), but I did enjoy the few times I've visited it

I admit that if you're not interested in history it doesn't have much to offer, though

And miss the great graffiti, tiny streets, armed police, litter, pickpockets and the fact that the camera men who show you 'Rome' on TV and in the brochure are deservedly well paid. How do they manage to build slumish apartment buildings 10 storeys high so close around major historical icons?

Easy : Sarajevo, bosnia owns all as worst city.

Its ugly, gunfighting in the streets, along with mines, blockades, dirty, collapsing destroyed buildings, destroyed vehicles and tanks, and military battles makes this my choice.


Rebels on MG, outside the city (http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/Bosnia/updates/sep95/9-17/gun_fighting.jpg)

More fighting (http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/Bosnia/updates/sep95/9-17/soldier_truckcaption.jpg)

Sarajevo on fire (http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/315000/images/_318662_saraj300.jpg)

Burning town (http://rbih.topcities.com/imagesOfWar/26gorazde.gif)


You do realize that that is not going on any longer...?

<tired>Yawns, sorry if my sarcasm detector is having a nap.</tired>

Anyways... I would say: anything in the former Yugoslavia. Those cities are horrible... Zagreb, Belgrade, etc.

Well, except for Podgorica and just outside of Budva, those are nice. Hot chicks and all. But they are probably dumps as well, it's just my (little) montenegrin blood speaking. :P

No. The worst city in Europe is Hull or Kingston-upon-Hull to give it its full name. It comprises of little more than endless slums inhabited by dejected and utterly miserable people. It was the no. 1 in the amusing book "Crap Towns" (which did contain cities) and was recently reported by the BBC to be by far the worst place to live in Britain. Visiting Hull is like stepping into another world. It is more like a third-world country. Life there is poor.

Preston, what a shithole

The Worst European City Thread

But see my previous post for views on Detroit.
Yes, I know that Detroit is not a european city if you are confused about what started this debate about detroit it is a post of mine:
I do not know about Europe, but Detroit is the worst city in the world. I would nuke Detroit.

You do realize that that is not going on any longer...?

<tired>Yawns, sorry if my sarcasm detector is having a nap.</tired>

Anyways... I would say: anything in the former Yugoslavia. Those cities are horrible... Zagreb, Belgrade, etc.

Well, except for Podgorica and just outside of Budva, those are nice. Hot chicks and all. But they are probably dumps as well, it's just my (little) montenegrin blood speaking. :P

I know, all of former Yugoslavia is a is a shit hole, but Sarajavo takes the cake. It was bombarded, burning part of the city down, then they didnt try to rebuild the place... :eek:

Preston, what a shithole
harsh but fair

harsh but fair
I really don't like Preston, i always feel like i'm gonna get stabbed, I only go there cause Blackpool doesnt have a Debenhams yet

Hull, how could i have forgotten it - i found it to be quite unpleasant!

I must have been too keen in my entirely unwarranted, shamelss lambasting of the polish captial to have let Hull enter my head :D

I know, all of former Yugoslavia is a is a shit hole, but Sarajavo takes the cake. It was bombarded, burning part of the city down, then they didnt try to rebuild the place... :eek:


Not true recently went on holiday to Croatia and it is beautiful.
Spent time in the army in Bos and most of that is in sh1t state I admit.

No. The worst city in Europe is Hull or Kingston-upon-Hull to give it its full name. It comprises of little more than endless slums inhabited by dejected and utterly miserable people. It was the no. 1 in the amusing book "Crap Towns" (which did contain cities) and was recently reported by the BBC to be by far the worst place to live in Britain. Visiting Hull is like stepping into another world. It is more like a third-world country. Life there is poor.
Well, the book "crap towns" only lists towns/cities in the U.K.

And miss the great graffiti, tiny streets, armed police, litter, pickpockets and the fact that the camera men who show you 'Rome' on TV and in the brochure are deservedly well paid. How do they manage to build slumish apartment buildings 10 storeys high so close around major historical icons?

Well, ok, pickpockets target rich foreign tourists, not italian students who are clearly on a budget (as in: money for museum entrances and to eat - in supermarkets, nothing more), as we were, so we didn't have problems.

The police probably has increased since I've visited it (as it has done in Milan), and this _is_ bad

graffiti and litter are a bad thing, not exclusive to rome

and streets are not tiny, compared to the ones where I live (and I like them :) )

As for apartment buildings and historical icons, the problem with Rome is that they don't really have any space free from historical "stuff", be it from classical rome, medieval rome, papal rome, italian rome (or even fascist rome, as bad as that architecture looks)

Maybe this promiscuity is part of what I like in rome

Tourist guide to Sarajavo

welcome to our wonderful city, here are some beautiful pictures.

Pic 1 (http://britains-smallwars.com/Museum/Bosnia/905_Sarajevo_s.jpg)
Pic 2 (http://britains-smallwars.com/Museum/Bosnia/513_Sarajevo_s.jpg)
Pic 3 (http://britains-smallwars.com/Museum/Bosnia/789_Sarajevo_s.jpg)
Pic 4 (http://britains-smallwars.com/Museum/Bosnia/798_Sarajevo_s.jpg)
Pic 4 (http://britains-smallwars.com/Museum/Bosnia/822_Sarajevo_s.jpg)
Pic 5 (http://tecfa.unige.ch/~nova/img/sarajevo4.jpg)
Pic 6 (http://britains-smallwars.com/Museum/Bosnia/379_T55_s.jpg)

Please enjoy your stay, and please avoid landmines..
1458 Tourist center, 8th steet

I have. I spent four years overseas and have seen quite a few major (and not so major) cities outside of the US.

Truth be told, Detroit is somewhere in the middle. If you grew up in Prague you probably will think Detroit is a shithole. If you grew up in Bangkok, Cairo, Tirana, Johannesberg or someplace similar you would think it a paradise.

I really don't think you spent much time in Detroit. If you had you would know that there is plenty of culture there, despite the infrastructural decay in SOME parts of the city. It very simply is not the shithole you like to claim it is.
Yeah, Detroit compares favorably to most cities in the third world.
My family drove through Cheyenne, Wyoming and we really enjoyed the smell of the High Colonic River. I'm American, so these are the only European cities I can think of...

I love Madrid! Madrid is a beautiful city with awesome people.

If anything Paris should go :D.

paris???
what the f*ck!!!!
paris is the best city in europe???

i think you meant, if any thing london should go
with its bad weather-bad traffic-bad people-high crime rates... and did i meantion bad weather???


well anyway
if i was to do a statistick for thr worst city in the world

Delhi (India)
Dakka (Bangladesh)
Chicago (USA)
Lagos (Nigeria)
Beijing (Have no idea how they won the Olympics bid) (China)
London (UK)
Mosocow (Russia)
Calcutta (India)
washington dc. (do people even have cinemas there??) (USA)
Baghdad (Iraq)

Tourist guide to Sarajavo

welcome to our wonderful city, here are some beautiful pictures.

Pic 1 (http://britains-smallwars.com/Museum/Bosnia/905_Sarajevo_s.jpg)
Pic 2 (http://britains-smallwars.com/Museum/Bosnia/513_Sarajevo_s.jpg)
Pic 3 (http://britains-smallwars.com/Museum/Bosnia/789_Sarajevo_s.jpg)
Pic 4 (http://britains-smallwars.com/Museum/Bosnia/798_Sarajevo_s.jpg)
Pic 4 (http://britains-smallwars.com/Museum/Bosnia/822_Sarajevo_s.jpg)
Pic 5 (http://tecfa.unige.ch/~nova/img/sarajevo4.jpg)
Pic 6 (http://britains-smallwars.com/Museum/Bosnia/379_T55_s.jpg)

Please enjoy your stay, and please avoid landmines..
1458 Tourist center, 8th steet

ok, you win, that beats Preston, although this: http://tecfa.unige.ch/~nova/img/sarajevo4.jpg could probably be Preton

hahahaaa (sorry..)
Never ever drive in Albania a) if you don't look like Albanian b) don't have Albanian plates on your car. Or actually, a better advice, never ever go to Albania
I vote Tirana, Albania. almost tied Dedroit.

Hull gets beasted by Sarajevo in my book.

...worst cities in the world

Delhi (India)
Dakka (Bangladesh)
Chicago (USA)
Lagos (Nigeria)
Beijing (Have no idea how they won the Olympics bid) (China)
London (UK)
Moscow (Russia)
Calcutta (India)
Washington dc. (do people even have cinemas there??) (USA)
Baghdad (Iraq)
Baghdad was a beautifull City before the Gulf War.

and Dedroit belongs there.

ok, you win, that beats Preston, although this: http://tecfa.unige.ch/~nova/img/sarajevo4.jpg could probably be Preton

Notice the explosive marks on the side of that building... Lol its like dresden after being firebombed...

Prestons streets still work, Sarajevo's are destroyed or blocked with blown up T-55's..

Milan

Not nuked, there are lots of nice places and good monuments, but sometimes I wonder how would it look like if most of the population got killed (or forced to flee); possibly when vegetation would start to grow among the ruins.

It is smelly, and the air sticks to your skin, and makes you feel dirty.
I agree, Milan was not nice. I also hated Florence. The buildings were dour, the place was smelly and the traffic was horrible (from a pedestrian's point of view).

I have. I spent four years overseas and have seen quite a few major (and not so major) cities outside of the US.

Truth be told, Detroit is somewhere in the middle. If you grew up in Prague you probably will think Detroit is a shithole. If you grew up in Bangkok, Cairo, Tirana, Johannesberg or someplace similar you would think it a paradise.

I really don't think you spent much time in Detroit. If you had you would know that there is plenty of culture there, despite the infrastructural decay in SOME parts of the city. It very simply is not the shithole you like to claim it is.


Cairo???

what the f*** do u know about cairo... ever been there???
guess not... do you even know how it looks or where the hell it is????
i suggest you visit some sites to see Egypt

ur probably one of those guys who thin that we work our PC's by pluging them up a camels ASS.

anyway here are some sites to see egypt.

www.travel-to-egypt.net

and by the way i think Detroit is a Shithole... compared to cairo, or any of the arab cities

Cairo???

what the f*** do u know about cairo... ever been there???
guess not... do you even know how it looks or where the hell it is????
i suggest you visit some sites to see Egypt

ur probably one of those guys who thin that we work our PC's by pluging them up a camels ASS.

anyway here are some sites to see egypt.

www.travel-to-egypt.net

I think Giza is worse than Cario, all those ugly apartment buildings for miles, ugh...

Moscow is dirty, crowded, poverty-stricken and dangerous. It's a pretty nasty place to visit on your hols.

Baghdad was a beautifull City before the Gulf War.

and Dedroit belongs there.

yes but now its a bombing testing zone.

i never been to detroit.

Moscows still full of filthy Reds :sniper:

I do not know about Europe, but Detroit is the worst city in the world. I would nuke Detroit.

Hey I live in detroit! You can nuke it as long as you don't hit the suberbs. ;)

Jeez, what is up with all these ignorant asses bashing Detroit?

Seriously, you guys need to give it a rest. Detroit is no better or worse than any other major city.

Ruhr valley in Germany. Berlin had its high points, and there was plenty to do (if you wanted to shell out the cash) in Paris...

Not so much in the Ruhr Valley...

Jeez, what is up with all these ignorant asses bashing Detroit?

Seriously, you guys need to give it a rest. Detroit is no better or worse than any other major city.

It really isn't. If you look at the best schools in the country most of the top ones are from detroit suberbs.

How sarajevo got blown up:

August 1992
Narrative of Events :
The fighting in Sarajevo erupted just after midnight Monday with small arms fire, and grew at about 5:00 a.m. into major clashes that varied in intensity throughout the day in the Dobrinja, Nedzarici and Hrasno areas. One report quoted a «knowledgeable source» as saying that the BiH forces manning artillery on Igman Mountain, «really hammered» the Serbian stronghold of Lukavica, a former Yugoslav army base near the airport. Serbian artillery responded with shellfire into BiH positions, including Butmir. It was reported that fierce fighting had been witnessed since the BiH forces launched an offensive 11 days ago to break the siege imposed by Serbian forces. The offensive was reportedly aimed at securing a highway running up the Bosna River Valley from Sarajevo to Visoko, a town about 10 miles to the north-west, where large stocks of food and ammunition were reportedly stored. BiH and Croatian forces loyal to the BiH government had reportedly been pushing in from Visoko and nearby Zenica in a bid to link up with those fighting from inside the city.

Sarajevo radio said that at least two people (a 55 year-old man and an 11 year-old girl) were killed and 28 wounded when a shell exploded as residents ran for shelter in the Dobrinja apartment complex.

One mortar round scored a direct hit at 10:00 a.m., on a used tire warehouse used by a rubber factory in the industrial area known as Alipasin Most near the railway station and main television tower, sending thick clouds of black smoke over the city. Fire trucks raced to the area but were repulsed by sustained artillery fire from the surrounding hills, and the fire burned unabated.

Another shell was seen exploding adjacent to the Marsal Tito barracks which housed the BiH forces and the Ukrainian UNPROFOR forces. Tracer rounds from multiple rocket launchers were seen leaving BiH positions within the city perimeter towards the Serbian positions where the artillery shell was believed to have originated.

A young man walking along a street in the Alipasin Most area suffered multiple gunshot wounds to his chest. Police pressed a passing journalist into taking the man to the French hospital, but he died in the car. *956
A UN spokesman said that two French and one Egyptian officer of UNPROFOR and one local firefighter were seriously wounded in a mortar attack late in the day. Two other French soldiers were reported to have suffered less serious injuries. The attack occurred on a fuel depot at Camp Beaver, the former Yugoslav army barracks that served as the headquarters of the 400-member Egyptian army contingent of UNPROFOR.

Combat and Shelling Activity :
The city was reported as relatively quiet after fierce fighting and artillery duels on the western fringes as defence forces tried to break the siege. BiH infantry attacks were reported on Serbian positions in the Jewish Cemetery and the Grbavica housing complex. Heavy shelling was reported on the UNPROFOR headquarters at about 1:00 a.m..

Yugoslav news agency Tanjug reported from Pale that BiH forces began renewed infantry attacks against Serbian positions in the Jewish Cemetery in downtown Sarajevo, where the front line partitioned the city. The Jewish Cemetery neighbourhood and the nearby Grbavica housing complex in New Sarajevo were reported to be the targets of attacks on Tuesday night from Vrbanja, Hrasno and the Viktor Bubanj barracks, Tanjug said. The Serb military command told Tanjug that all attacks were repulsed without casualties. The situation calmed down after midnight Tuesday when also intermittent artillery provocations stopped at Ilidza, Nedzarici and Kasindol Street.

Combat and Shelling Activity :
Serb forces were reported to have withdrawn from the airport area which was to be placed under UN control. The situation in Sarajevo itself was reported as volatile as sporadic fighting continued throughout the city.

Continued fighting was reported in the city, particularly in the area of Grbavica. Heavy machine-gun fire was reported in the western suburbs and sniper fire and occasional tank shells were reported in and around the city.

Three to four shells fell in the vicinity of the town hall, immediately to the rear of the Presidency; three tank shells struck near the Sarajevo Zoo, killing seven Muslims picnicking nearby, including three children.

UN military monitors had been permitted at about 10 sites where Serb guns were within firing range of the airport, but Serb officials stated that they would continue to shell the city itself while sparing the airport.

Fifteen tank rounds hit the area around the Holiday Inn. Firing extended east toward the city centre. The fighting eased later. Heavy artillery and light weapon fire was heard late in the evening in and around the city. Reuters reported that the Holiday Inn management was only renting rooms on the east and west side of the building due to mortar and shell destruction on the other sides.(open, during a war, after being shelled by tanks ?!?!)


The problem is the UN has done littile to nothing to rebuild the city, so it lays, almost mostly destroyed.. Lol

I think Giza is worse than Cario, all those ugly apartment buildings for miles, ugh...

dude i live in giza!!!!

there are two parts of giza- the old giza (which is being improved now)
and the new giza, which is where i live, it has very modern fancy buildings, just search for modern giza on google images, and you will see what i mean.

where do you come from willink???

Moscows still full of filthy Reds :sniper:


I take that as an insult.. --;

where do you come from willink???


Here (http://enrollment.rochester.edu/admissions/media/wallpapers/University-of-Rochester-7.jpg)

My aunt used to live in Giza, she said it was full of culture but ugly..

Dubai (http://homepage.mac.com/drysdale/Images/UAE/Dubai_skyline2.jpg) is the best city in Middle east, im going there soon, and i cant wait..

Here (http://enrollment.rochester.edu/admissions/media/wallpapers/University-of-Rochester-7.jpg)

My aunt used to live in Giza, she said it was full of culture but ugly..

Dubai (http://homepage.mac.com/drysdale/Images/UAE/Dubai_skyline2.jpg) is the best city in Middle east, im going there soon, and i cant wait..

dude duabi is fake...
its just a cut and paste from hong kong and singapore... its lost its arab heritage

unlike cairo beirut damascus casablanca tunis and other arab cities.

Dubai (http://homepage.mac.com/drysdale/Images/UAE/Dubai_skyline2.jpg) is the best city in Middle east, im going there soon, and i cant wait..my friend moved there...he says its the most beautiful city...
http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=dubai&ei=UTF-8&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&fr=moz2

dude duabi is fake...
its just a cut and paste from hong kong and singapore... its lost its arab heritage

unlike cairo beirut damascus casablanca tunis and other arab cities.


Does that apply to Abu Dhabi (http://www.the-dgl.co.uk/specials/images/locations/Abu%20Dhabi.jpg) ,Sharjah (http://www.aus.edu/about/images/sharjah/Buhairah_Corniche_640.jpg) and Fujirah (http://www.earthmover.com.au/Storage/IsgResourceFile/Apr-2005/13/uae_fujairah_skyline.jpg) ?? Its just that UAE is very, very rich.....

dude duabi is fake...
its just a cut and paste from hong kong and singapore...when I was in Dedroit...I wished they could magicaly "copy-paste" Singapore.

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=singapore&sm=Yahoo%21+Search&toggle=1&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t

we have beautifull cities. you should search for beirut-cairo-alexandria-casablanca-constantine-jerusalem-mecca-madina-kuwait-dubai-abu dhabi
and tunis

we have very beautifull cities that can easily compete with major european cities...

Beruit (http://www.greatestcities.com/0273pic/519/CP3519.jpg/beirut-1.jpg) is nice, but some parts still have syrian troops there and some parts are still destroyed, Damascus (http://www3.estart.com/stores/media/damascus-1.jpg) is just a copy of Bagdhad, and such, Casablanca is ugly, in my opinion, Tunis is nice, but arab cities like port Said, Tehran and others are dangerous to westerners..

Beruit (http://www.greatestcities.com/0273pic/519/CP3519.jpg/beirut-1.jpg) is nice, but some parts still have syrian troops there and some parts are still destroyed, Damascus (http://www3.estart.com/stores/media/damascus-1.jpg) is just a copy of Bagdhad, and such, Casablanca is ugly, in my opinion, Tunis is nice, but arab cities like port Said, Tehran and others are dangerous to westerners..

dude you know shit about the arab world

first of all tehran is in iran (a non arab countries)
not all muslim countries are arabs (ex... indonesia a muslim and a non arab state)

damascus is very well preserved as in islamis architechture... baghdad i agree is a dump, as for casablanca, well lets say its a typical 2nd world city, and port said is in egypt, and iot is one of the beautifull cities of egypt, and lots od foreignors go their daily...


visit
http://www.faculty.juniata.edu/pfrogner/suez1.jpg

...are dangerous to westerners..US cities are dangerous for Arabs...and vice-versa (Arab Cities are dangerous for US citizens).

its a collateral effect.

Palermo and Naples in Scily and Italy are the worst, run down by the mafia they are really dirty and horrible places to be. Altho, the people are nice and friendly.

Tel Aviv (http://doors.stanford.edu/~sr/tel-aviv/Images/22.jpg) is better than any city in Egypt...

Do those cities compare to Frankfurt (http://www.positrontechnology.com/Frankfurt.jpg), Warsaw (http://linas.chez.tiscali.fr/MISC/DSC02500BB.jpg), Copenhagen (http://www.physioth.unimelb.edu.au/template-assets-custom/images/picts/skyline2.jpg), Benidorm (http://www.pointernet.pds.hu/touristinfo/free_wallpapers/Spain-Benidorm-Costa-Blanca-1.jpg), Rotterdam (http://home.hetnet.nl/~tadebruijn/rotterdam/skylines/skyline8.jpg), Vilnius (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/blimey_ltu/vln/48b0dfe0.jpg), and Riga (http://www.travel-images.com/latvia201.jpg) ?? I think not. They are just bland cities like rome and athens that there are 500 other cities just like them..

Detroit is really nice if you don't mind dying from the black lung. I live acoss the border from Detroit and happen to catch a lot of Detroit news on the telly. Must say, for a city with such proud residents, the news Detroit produces is definitely on the dismal side. I'd bomb the place just to do you a favour and get rid of your mayor!

I have to stick up for eastern europe, its my favourite part of the world....good people, great culture, interesting history. I'd add a little flavor to the food however...

If I could I would blow up the Mathare Valley in the outer slums of Nairobi. After of course evacuating the innocent victims caught in the grasp of extreme poverty there.

But if we are focusing on europe here....well....western europe doesnt hold much charm for me. What about relieving the world of Vatican City? But loot it first and perhaps you will be able stop 3rd world hunger from the spoils.

Tel Aviv (http://doors.stanford.edu/~sr/tel-aviv/Images/22.jpg) is better than any city in Egypt...

Do those cities compare to Frankfurt, Warsaw, Copenhagen , Benidorm, Rotterdam, Vilnius, and Riga (http://www.travel-images.com/latvia201.jpg) ?? I think not. I would not live in Tel-aviv-Israel, Egypt...or half of the cities you mentioned...

Riga, Albania??? You found one pretty travel-Agency Picture and you are ready to move to Albania?
I can find pretty pictures of Detroit too...but it is not a favorite City of mine.

visit these site to see arab cities and judge

Damascus : http://ontheroad.narod.ru/WebAlbum/images/02_Damascus.jpg
Beirut http://www.berro.com/Beirut%20Pictures/Beirut_At_Night.jpg
Casablanca: http://lexicorient.com/e.o/ill/casablanca05_large.jpg
Cairo : http://www.galenfrysinger.com/cairo_mosques.htm
http://www.galenfrysinger.com/cairo_citadelle.htm
http://www.galenfrysinger.com/egypt_pyramids.htm
Tripoli (Libya) : http://www.libyen-news.de/tripolis.htm
Alexandria :http://www.galenfrysinger.com/alexandria_egypt.htm
constantine:http://www.exploitz.com/images/pprints/With-great-bridge.jpg
jerusalem : http://www.atlastours.net/holyland/al_aqsa_mosque.html


very interesting pics

Tel Aviv (http://doors.stanford.edu/~sr/tel-aviv/Images/22.jpg) is better than any city in Egypt...

..

y Tel Aviv????
are you like trying to imitate or something????
well if i get to compare any israeli city with any arab city then i think i will win this comparison easily...
but let me tell you something... iv been to tel aviv.... you wont find the warmth that the arabs have, if you bump into some one in israel, they will just carry on with out even looking at whom they bumoed to, while in egypt, we care about others before ourselves, if you bump in a person in downtown egypt, they will apologize and even might help you if you were carrying something....

plus the fact that my city is 1200 years old, while tel aviv is what???? 200 max...

you also have to know that israel is considerd part of the USA, so i cant compare new york with Cairo in modern wise

plus the fact that my city is 1200 years old, while tel aviv is what???? 200 max...
that is not something I would care about.

besides...you should not let your patriotism handicap your vision.

Hmmmmm

I never cared for Milan.

Then there is Bracknell!

some of the pages that you have used your pics from

can you all see them all and decide

who have the best sites
arabs or israeli sites??

arab pics
http://www.travel-images.com/egypt.html
http://www.travel-images.com/lebanon.html
http://www.travel-images.com/syria.html
http://www.travel-images.com/iraq.html
http://www.travel-images.com/saudiarabia.html
http://www.travel-images.com/Sudan.html
http://www.travel-images.com/kuwait.html
http://www.travel-images.com/Bahrian.html
http://www.travel-images.com/Oman.html
http://www.travel-images.com/Yemen.html
http://www.travel-images.com/algeria.html
http://www.travel-images.com/jordan.html
http://www.travel-images.com/palestine.html
http://www.travel-images.com/libya.html
http://www.travel-images.com/Morocco.html
http://www.travel-images.com/qatar.html
http://www.travel-images.com/uae.html
http://www.travel-images.com/tunisia.html

Israel
(realising the fact the jerusalems pics should be included to palistine)
http://www.travel-images.com/israel.html

that is not something I would care about.

besides...you should not let your patriotism handicap your vision.

i was trying to explain that being old is bad!!!!
because it is built on ancient structures, like narrow streets, very old ancient cities that cant be abolished to build instead modern blocks....

it seems that you have understood me wrong...

Why does everyone hate paris. It is such a nice city. I hate Moscow. It is A buch of snow, ice , and Boring Soviet era concrete buildings. The Eastern european cities anre also crap.

The Eastern european cities anre also crap.
No they are not! They are actually nice, especially Warsaw

Most are crap especially Moscow

Antwerp.

Enough said.

Most are crap especially Moscow
Well, compared to Detroit, Moscow probaly is not crap. Also, have you been to every eastern European city?

Anyway, i declare the winner is Sarajevo (pronounced Seri-Avo for all you )

Does this only include capital cities? If not then I really feel that Birmingham should be on the list, sorry to all the Brum's out there but your home city is just the pits!

Munich. Munich is definitely the worst city I've ever been to.
It's boring, it'sarrogant, it's expensive, it's dull, it's nothing but a small, ignorant Bavarian village that grew out of all proportions. Awful place

Sarajevo owns all as crappiest city, here are some more pics of the shithole i found.

Pic 1 (http://www.inminds.co.uk/bosnia-destroyed-mosque.jpg)
Pic 2 (http://compuserb.com/bosnia/usbomb03.jpg)
Pic 3 (http://www.hirlimann.net/bosnie/images/aeroport-sarajevo.jpeg)
Pic 4 (http://tecfa.unige.ch/~nova/img/sarajevo.jpg)
Pic 5 (http://tecfa.unige.ch/~nova/img/sarajevo2.gif)
Pic 6 (http://tecfa.unige.ch/~nova/img/sarajevo3.jpg)
Pic 7 (http://www.tangens.de/imgs/transit/s-sarajevo.jpg)
Pic 8 (http://richard.stanaway.net/gallery/war/LTzae27_promet.jpg)
Pic 9 (http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/Bosnia/updates/9606/11/rebuilding.sarajevo/zepa.lrg.jpg)
Pic 10 (http://www.army.mod.uk/img/royalengineers/org/21regt/telic5/73sqn4/lg_TELIC_73___353_.JPG)
Pic 11 (http://www.applicom.com/twibih/dobrnja2.jpg)
Pic 12 (http://www.union-network.org/UNIsite/Sectors/Commerce/2000/Sarej.gif)

Bronze-Hull


Silver- Moscow/Preston

Gold-Sarajevo

Sarajevo owns all as crappiest city
Well, I have to agree with you, but I say that Detroit comes as a close second.

Belfast is both the best and the worst city in Europe.

You folks slamming Detroit...

Were you just driving through or did you stay long enough to actually formulate an opinion?

First impressions are fine and everything, but when you say that a city sucks you need to back it up.
Been there, done that, it sucks. It deserves to be nuked simply because of the state of it's roads.

Bump

I give up. It's obvious you Detroit haters have been drinking the kool aid. For some reason the media hates Detroit and you have bought into it hook, line and sinker.

Just because France is nothing but pussies and suck ups does not make them have the worst city in all of Europe there a plenty of other shit dumps out there. Take Berlin for example.


Leave France alone!

Leave France alone!
Yes, and leave Eastern Europe alone. A lot of people here have said "all Eastern European cities are crap". That is not true. Moscow, Riga, and Sarajevo are crap, but there are also some nice cities to visit in Eastern Europe, like Warsaw, and Prague.

Frankfurt am Main!

Frankfurt am Main!

Maybe. But with Munich a very close second...

No, Sarajevo Pwn's all as crappiest european city.