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More signs of Cold-War II: China-Russia wargames underway

Mind Sickness
30-08-2005, 04:29
The Russian and Chinese armed forces have begun their first joint military exercises.

Marines will storm beaches and paratroopers will descend in a mock invasion of an imaginary country.

The eight-day operation got underway with consultations between military delegations from the two countries in Vladivostok, in Russia's far east.

Analysts say China and Russia are signalling they are prepared to counter US dominance in international affairs.

The Russian and Chinese military exercises starting this week are clearly a significant step for both countries.

Even in purely military terms, they appear ambitious.

They also add some substance to the political rhetoric that is now emerging from these two formerly uneasy and even hostile neighbours of a new strategic partnership.

And they underscore a common view of the desirability of a multipolar world in which there is some counterweight to US power.

Still, officially, the scenario for these exercises - aid to an imaginary state suffering political violence - is not aimed against any specific country.

China's military has been modernising rapidly. And, while the Washington regularly sounds alarm bells about China's growing military strength and says it will be keeping an eye on events, it also insists it is not particularly worried.

The Taiwanese, too, will be watching these exercises closely, although they are being held at some distance from Taiwan itself, and there is no appetite in Russia to be sucked into the island's argument with China.

Wary

There are specific practical benefits for both participants in these manoeuvres.

For the Russians, they are a showcase for possible further arms sales to Beijing.

For the Chinese, they're a chance to participate in the kind of complicated operations that are an increasing priority for them.

But there are clear limits to all of this.

These manoeuvres will not significantly alter the regional military balance.

And both Moscow and Beijing remain wary of each other.

For Moscow there must be questions over China's long-term strategic goals, and for Beijing continuing doubts about Russia's reliability as an ally.

And, in the long run, this hardly looks like a stable relationship.

Russia approaches it from the perspective of a former and declining great power.

And while China is a country whose ambitions for the moment outstrip its actual power, that may not be the case for too much longer.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4161660.stm

Am I the only one who sees this as yet another sign of an impending cold war between China and the U.S?

As a rising power seeking to counter-balance the U.S, China has been steadily increasing it's military might over the past decade. The U.S. may not be too worried about that now, but given time (and not too much more of it), China's military will match the U.S's. The only response to this (beside invasion, which would be death to us all) will be to have a good ol' arms race of cold-war proportions.

Am I just an alarmist at heart, or is this going to be the start of another uneasy 50 years?
Tactical Grace
30-08-2005, 04:31
Didn't this already happen?

Anyway, I see it as an encouraging sign that the cold war between Russia and China is drawing to a close. Relations late in the 20th century weren't exactly great, both sides getting really paranoid about their shared border and territorial integrity.
Evil Arch Conservative
30-08-2005, 05:07
Am I just an alarmist at heart, or is this going to be the start of another uneasy 50 years?

It's possible that you could turn out to be right. It's also possible that the people living in China will take care of their government before the west (who better be on our side) ever gets a chance for a web of reasons that someone much more knowledgeable on the issue then myself could spout off with little effort.

Of course, 2050 is nearing and the United States will surely pull off a last second space ship victory and wait for the rapture on a sunny, Mediterranean planet near Alpha Centauri. :)
Gulf Republics
30-08-2005, 05:12
It's possible that you could turn out to be right. It's also possible that the people living in China will take care of their government before the west (who better be on our side) ever gets a chance for a web of reasons that someone much more knowledgeable on the issue then myself could spout off with little effort.

Of course, 2050 is nearing and the United States will surely pull off a last second space ship victory and wait for the rapture on a sunny, Mediterranean planet near Alpha Centauri. :)

those bastards probably had 2 cities sitting there building palaces, so they could whip out a quicky secret project :gundge:
Evil Arch Conservative
30-08-2005, 05:15
those bastards probably had 2 cities sitting there building palaces, so they could whip out a quicky secret project :gundge:

We'll be using Cure for Cancer as a pre-build just so we can see the looks on everyone else's faces when we switch to the Planetary Party Lounge.
Karaska
30-08-2005, 05:18
Sigh you guys are overly paranoid we have 4 times the amount of money put into our military budget and America is the greatest industrial power in the world
Funny enough you know how their modernizing their military? Their buying all their weapons from us and were making money while complaining at the same time :D
ARF-COM and IBTL
30-08-2005, 05:40
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4161660.stm

Am I the only one who sees this as yet another sign of an impending cold war between China and the U.S?

As a rising power seeking to counter-balance the U.S, China has been steadily increasing it's military might over the past decade. The U.S. may not be too worried about that now, but given time (and not too much more of it), China's military will match the U.S's. The only response to this (beside invasion, which would be death to us all) will be to have a good ol' arms race of cold-war proportions.

Am I just an alarmist at heart, or is this going to be the start of another uneasy 50 years?

Nope.

The US marines and US army beat the hell out of the Chinese in the Korean war, and it wouldn't be much different today over Korea. However, the media would blow up and become a 5th column for the chinese.

The korean war-the first Time the UN actually showed up to a fight (But still lost).
Karaska
30-08-2005, 05:55
Nope.

The US marines and US army beat the hell out of the Chinese in the Korean war, and it wouldn't be much different today over Korea. However, the media would blow up and become a 5th column for the chinese.

The korean war-the first Time the UN actually showed up to a fight (But still lost).

Hahahah so true the UN would be nothing without America NOTHING MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA :D
Robbopolis
30-08-2005, 06:05
It's possible that you could turn out to be right. It's also possible that the people living in China will take care of their government before the west (who better be on our side) ever gets a chance for a web of reasons that someone much more knowledgeable on the issue then myself could spout off with little effort.

Funny you should mention that. I've recently been reading some articles on how China's economy is either capitalistic or shifting that way rather rapidly. I wonder how long it will be until the guys who create the power (i. e. wealth) in the country ask for a hand in running it.