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We spend 50 billion on Education, and 265 billion on Medicare.

Nuff said.

Medicare? God, what a fucking waste! Just let the old fuckers die!!

(No, I'm not serious)

Educated people are generally more healthy. So?

It would help our government greatly, if we diverted all 265 billion dollars from Medicare, and funneled it into Education. Like I did in my Nationstates. :D

If you're talking about the U.S., the numbers you gave are bogus.

If you're talking about the U.S., the numbers you gave are bogus.
Why does that not surprise me

Medicaid is also a waste of money. On average, it takes up 1/4 of a State's Budget. I urge all state to get rid of Medicaid.

Medicare is National, and if we funnel the money from both into Education, we could fix a lot of problems in America.

I think he's from Australia.

If you're talking about the U.S., the numbers you gave are bogus.

http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0203/020303cd2.htm

They sound reasonable to me.

We're also spending 400 billion on defense.

Thanks Bellania, for totally PWNING them.

Medicaid is also a waste of money. On average, it takes up 1/4 of a State's Budget. I urge all state to get rid of Medicaid.

Medicare is National, and if we funnel the money from both into Education, we could fix a lot of problems in America.

Sure, because the religious nut states get to teach their crazy nut theories with better teaching aids, like flat globes and stuff. Excellent plan

Medicare? God, what a fucking waste! Just let the old fuckers die!!

(No, I'm not serious)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Sure, because the religious nut states get to teach their crazy nut theories with better teaching aids, like flat globes and stuff. Excellent plan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

trying to make a point? I know those are straw men. I also don't give a fuck.

trying to make a point? I know those are straw men. I also don't give a fuck.
Hey, hijack...but I just wanted to say that your name always conjures up for me an image of a Iroquois Warrior...[/hijack]

I don't see what the point is to the original post...would the OP care to elaborate a bit please?

I like the space program but why not divert funds from that and give it to education? Or from this war? I think there are a lot of other areas where money could be better diverted than from those programs which give our elderly peace of mind.

I like the space program but why not divert funds from that and give it to education? Or from this war? I think there are a lot of other areas where money could be better diverted than from those programs which give our elderly peace of mind.

Defense is needed to protect our cuntry.

The Space Program barely has anything, and anything you divert from it, will make NO different. It has about 15 billion? Medicare has $265 billion. Nuffh said.

Defense is needed to protect our cuntry.


This is either ironic or an attempt at vulgarity

We spend 50 billion on Education, and 265 billion on Medicare.

Nuff said.

Just for further reference, next time you start a thread, provide evidence of your statements and provide some sort of debate to it. Saying "Nuff said" in not enough. This could be considered trolling.

This is either ironic or an attempt at vulgarity

LMAO, but does the word typo mean anything to you? :)

LMAO, but does the word typo mean anything to you? :)
Yeah. It's a Freudian thing. A typo is where you mean to type one thing, but accidentally type your mother :D

LMAO, but does the word typo mean anything to you? :)
Yes that would make it IRONIC as well

Yeah. It's a Freudian thing. A typo is where you mean to type one thing, but accidentally type your mother :D
That still gets me to groan as much as it did the first time

Yes that would make it IRONIC as well

Not necessarily, depends on what he thinks of the country

http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0203/020303cd2.htm

They sound reasonable to me.

We're also spending 400 billion on defense.

...and for good reason.

That still gets me to groan as much as it did the first time

What does? Your mother? ;)

Defense is needed to protect our cuntry.

The Space Program barely has anything, and anything you divert from it, will make NO different. It has about 15 billion? Medicare has $265 billion. Nuffh said.
It would be nice if we used the money in the military for defense. Sadly, we're using it for an offense.

How much money does the education system need? Where are we lacking funds in the education system? I'm not saying we're not but you're concerned about this. How much more money is needed?

That still gets me to groan as much as it did the first time
Mmmm...I like the idea that I could make you groan!

Have we figured out what the problem is with the figures originally posted?

We spend 50 billion on Education, and 265 billion on Medicare.

Nuff said.

Cut medicare in 1/3, send a chunk to Iraq, hand medicare over to the private sector....

Cut medicare in 1/3, send a chunk to Iraq, hand medicare over to the private sector....
I could have sworn it said 50 billion for Education and 265 MILLION for healthcare...

...sheesh...teach me to skim read!

Cut medicare in 1/3, send a chunk to Iraq, hand medicare over to the private sector....
Is that you, Cheney?

Is that you, Cheney?

I believe you meant to say dick

It would be nice if we used the money in the military for defense. Sadly, we're using it for an offense.

How much money does the education system need? Where are we lacking funds in the education system? I'm not saying we're not but you're concerned about this. How much more money is needed?

We're going to need a lot more than what is being offered right now, though I can't say exactly how much we would need. The city of Detroit's public schools are among the worst in the USA in quality of education, as well as some of the highest amount of dropouts. We need more funding, because right now, education in the public schools of Detroit is the most 'choked' area within Michigan.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/dec2004/mich-d17.shtml
http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20050222-044231-9096r.htm

Nah. We don't need much more for Iraq. 10 billion tops to integrate the Xm8 Rifle .

What I really and truly do not understand is how the US can spend more money on health care than any other nation in the world...and yet have a system where healthcare is not free. It boggles the mind...what the heck are you guys doing? And why on earth would any other country want to privatise healthcare if this is the outcome of a private system :confused:

What I really and truly do not understand is how the US can spend more money on health care than any other nation in the world...and yet have a system where healthcare is not free. It boggles the mind...what the heck are you guys doing? And why on earth would any other country want to privatise healthcare if this is the outcome of a private system :confused:

I couldn't agree more, Sinuhue. I wish I knew how the government was taking care of all of this.

I couldn't agree more, Sinuhue. I wish I knew how the government was taking care of all of this.
And here is my home province, Alberta, all hot to privatise. *shakes head* I'm sure it makes sense to someone...with big fat private clinic contracts all ready for their retirement from office...

Yes, you should remove all the budget from healthcare. After all, if the poor can't afford healthcare… well it's their fault for being poor. They should have found jobs while they could… there are obviously more than enough jobs, so they're lazy. Maybe they should learn that laziness leads to them dying from disease.

Yes, you should remove all the budget from healthcare. After all, if the poor can't afford healthcare… well it's their fault for being poor. They should have found jobs while they could… there are obviously more than enough jobs, so they're lazy. Maybe they should learn that laziness leads to them dying from disease.
Since I've seen this argument made seriously, many times here on NS, I'm not assuming you are being sarcastic.

Since I've seen this argument made seriously, many times here on NS, I'm not assuming you are being sarcastic. I should have made it even more arrogant and ignorant so that people assumed it was sarcastic, but I thought it was already horribly arrogant and ignorant.

I was just trying to see things from the other side's point of view (read: Serapindal's point of view. I'm with you on this).

What I really and truly do not understand is how the US can spend more money on health care than any other nation in the world...and yet have a system where healthcare is not free. It boggles the mind...what the heck are you guys doing? And why on earth would any other country want to privatise healthcare if this is the outcome of a private system :confused:

The US is among the most populated first world countries. That, and the inflated costs of medical care inside the nation, lead to a lot more money not going quite as far as it would in, say, Canada.

We need Tort Reform.

Frivolous Lawsuits in America, makes Medical Care EXTREMELEY expensive.

I should have made it even more arrogant and ignorant so that people assumed it was sarcastic, but I thought it was already horribly arrogant and ignorant.

I was just trying to see things from the other side's point of view (read: Serapindal's point of view. I'm with you on this).
I don't think you could have made it any worse...but honestly...people actually make this argument, and are serious about it. I'm glad for the clarification!

Not necessarily, depends on what he thinks of the country
Then that would fall under the vulgar portion of my statement if it was intended lol

The US is among the most populated first world countries. That, and the inflated costs of medical care inside the nation, lead to a lot more money not going quite as far as it would in, say, Canada.
What do you mean by inflated costs?

We need Tort Reform.

Frivolous Lawsuits in America, makes Medical Care EXTREMELEY expensive.

Why can't you be this smart over at GameFAQs?

Then that would fall under the vulgar portion of my statement if it was intended lol

Not if it was unintentional but he doesn't equate the countrty with a ****

We need Tort Reform.

Frivolous Lawsuits in America, makes Medical Care EXTREMELEY expensive.
Ahhhh...I don't think you can actually sue a particular doctor in Canada (though I may be wrong...there are no cases I can think of, and in fact it is extremely difficult to get a doctor to be held accountable for anything). Would this sort of reform significantly cut costs? What kind of drain are we talking about?

What do you mean by inflated costs?

Medical malpractice insurance, frivilous lawsuits, and near monopolies in certain drug markets make healthcare VERY expensive in the US, especially when you consider how highly valued our currency is in comparison to certain countries that we buy materials from.

I don't see the point of arguing besides for a laugh but I won't argue because I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind

I don't see the point of arguing besides for a laugh but I won't argue because I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind No, but you can make them stutter and stumble and make a fool of them.

*ouch* toffee hurts jaws

Depends on what your view of it is.

We have, by far, the most advanced medical technology and research going on here. When something medical is created, it usually comes outta here.

Now, other countries benefit when we create new research or techniques because these new methods are often shared at a fraction of the money that it took to discover said methods.

Therefore, it's probably better for the world that it stays private here. We create the stuff, your government subsidizes it. Very few countries could afford the enourmous cost of medical research as it happens in the private system here.

And frankly, I don't think it's the government to blame for the private system. Look at the people you are paying the bills to. If a doctor or medical researcher wants to charge that much for an operation or procedure, well beyond the value of it, they're turning their backs on good ol' Hippocrates.

Edit: Also, tort reform should be a major goal as well. Insurance is ridiculous in cost because a well-intentioned doctor might make the wrong diagnosis and get his pants sued off.

Medical malpractice insurance, frivilous lawsuits, and near monopolies in certain drug markets make healthcare VERY expensive in the US, especially when you consider how highly valued our currency is in comparison to certain countries that we buy materials from.
Why are these issues not being highlighted for action? Ah, never mind. My government does the same thing. Ignores the real problems in favour of finger pointing:(

Why are these issues not being highlighted for action? Ah, never mind. My government does the same thing. Ignores the real problems in favour of finger pointing:(

Just like every government.

Why are these issues not being highlighted for action? Ah, never mind. My government does the same thing. Ignores the real problems in favour of finger pointing

It's politics as usual. Not many people willing to sacrifice their ego and power for getting the right thing done. Don't elect professional politicians, people. Look for "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington"-types to get this stuff fixed.

It's politics as usual. Not many people willing to sacrifice their ego and power for getting the right thing done. Don't elect professional politicians, people. Look for "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington"-types to get this stuff fixed.

ohhhh, you mean actors.

The governator for presinator! Arnie'll teach them damn dirty muslims! :p

Arnold would be AWESOME.

Whenever the Terrorists come back, he'd use his ub3r skillz to make us all GET TO THE CHOPPA!

Arnold would be AWESOME.

Whenever the Terrorists come back, he'd use his ub3r skillz to make us all GET TO THE CHOPPA! What? The terrorists have plasma guns?

Cool!

Yeah, and then he'd fire his Minigun in a physically and ballisticly impossible manner! AWESOME!

Yeah, and then he'd fire his Minigun in a physically and ballisticly impossible manner! AWESOME! Great, more deforestation.

Depends on what your view of it is.

We have, by far, the most advanced medical technology and research going on here. When something medical is created, it usually comes outta here.

Now, other countries benefit when we create new research or techniques because these new methods are often shared at a fraction of the money that it took to discover said methods.

Therefore, it's probably better for the world that it stays private here. We create the stuff, your government subsidizes it. Very few countries could afford the enourmous cost of medical research as it happens in the private system here.

This is quite possibly my ignorance, but why does whether medical provision is private or public sector dominated in a particular country affect pharmaceuticals research in that country?

I was under the impression that the companies in the US that provide medical insurance are not the same ones that research, develop and produce pharmaceuticals. Here in the UK, medical care is provided free by the NHS, but that doesn't mean that the pharmaceutical industry is not in the private sector. GlaxoSmithKline and the like do pharmaceuticals R & D in the UK in the same way that I presume US pharmaceutical companies do their R & D in the US.

I mean, did anyone just see that Vioxx Trial? The woman got 250 million!?!? WTF? I mean, a million or so, is enough. I mean, COME ON.

What I really and truly do not understand is how the US can spend more money on health care than any other nation in the world...and yet have a system where healthcare is not free. It boggles the mind...what the heck are you guys doing? And why on earth would any other country want to privatise healthcare if this is the outcome of a private system :confused:

http://www.techcentralstation.com/050505C.html

The above link is an article that compares spending per capita with several other countries. Interestingly enough the US spends more on it's poor that the other countries.


http://www.techcentralstation.com/042005C.html

Gives possible reeasons for why we spend so much on heathcare without a single-payer plan.