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Are there any FASCISTS here?

no

No sir I'm not a FACIST.

Nope. Sorry. (Well, no, not really sorry.) Unless you consider an American conservative fascist in nature...

Unless you consider an American conservative facist in nature...

Should we not? :p

Should we not? :p

Bah. *pokes you with a cookie* Stop talking and eat it.

;) :fluffle:

Nope, try somewhere else.

I Am, You Know I Am, I Am A Fascist, You Know I Am!i Am A Fascist!!!!

I hope you're all deliberately misspelling the word 'fascist' or I am going to get fascist on your behinds.

By the way, American conservatives are quite philosophically opposed to fascism. You're more likely to find quasi-fascists in mainstream Euro politics (see: National Front in France) than you are in American politics. American conservatives are just classical liberals, as are American Democrats.

I Am, You Know I Am, I Am A Fascist, You Know I Am!i Am A Fascist!!!!

Erm. Good for you? :confused:

(by the by: Yay for my 500th post! Celebrate with me, everyone!)

Bah. *pokes you with a cookie* Stop talking and eat it.

;) :fluffle:

(Oh, a penny for every time I've heard those words.)

Yes, sir! *munches down*

By the way, American conservatives are quite philosophically opposed to fascism.

unless the glorious leader says otherwise...

(Oh, a penny for every time I've heard those words.)

Yes, sir! *munches down*

Ah... you know I love ya, Fass. You're too adorable to hate. Damn aggrivating, but lovable at the same time.

unless the glorious leader says otherwise...
Mein Bush! Mein Führer! SIEG HEIL!

...

Sorry, I get like that whenever President Bush kills another kitten.

Are there any FASCISTS here?

no. we had some, but then we utterly demolished what few tries at rational argument they made. and then we just made fun of their poor social skills, ugly clothes, and terrible personal hygiene until they left. it was a win-win situation.

Mein Bush! Mein Führer! SIEG HEIL!

...

Sorry, I get like that whenever President Bush kills another kitten.

:eek: He's been killing kittens and not letting me in on the action?!

WTF?

The damn bastard! Err... I mean.. SEIG HEIL!

Ah... you know I love ya, Fass. You're too adorable to hate. Damn aggrivating, but lovable at the same time.

Romanore and Fass, sitting in a tree... :fluffle:

no. we had some, but then we utterly demolished what few tries at rational argument they made. and then we just made fun of their poor social skills, ugly clothes, and terrible personal hygiene until they left. it was a win-win situation.
You forgot, we tarred and feathered them.

:eek: He's been killing kittens and not letting me in on the action?!

WTF?

The damn bastard! Err... I mean.. SEIG HEIL!
Well you know, if it was puppies I'd sign up to be in the Secret Poli-

SIEG HEIL!

Dammit! Not again!

Romanore and Fass, sitting in a tree... :fluffle:

I may not be fascist, but I'll be FASScist any day. ;)

Yay for puns.

(Oh, and :fluffle: for Fass)

..

(I hope we know that I'm joking.)

You forgot, we tarred and feathered them.

well yeah, but then they refused to shower. man, did that stink up the place or what?

(Oh, and :fluffle: for Fass)
..
(I hope we know that I'm joking.)

That's what they all say! :D

That's what they all say! :D

Damn... and I almost had you fooled too.

I Am, You Know I Am, I Am A Fascist, You Know I Am!i Am A Fascist!!!!
Hey brother. Glad we're not alone :D. Although techniclly i'm not a Fascist. Aren't you in the AA? And aren't you on my MSN? LOL!

Well you know, if it was puppies I'd sign up to be in the Secret Poli-

SIEG HEIL!

Dammit! Not again!

Kittens, puppies, small helpess rodents... they all make the same squish sound upon contact with a bullet. ;)

No... we had a few but we used them up too quickly and no one has made a run to the store yet.

Who's turn was it to go again?

No... we had a few but we used them up too quickly and no one has made a run to the store yet.

Who's turn was it to go again?

Didn't you get the short straw this time? *eyebrow*

I need some Dran-O, as my dorm sink is clogging.

Didn't you get the short straw this time? *eyebrow*

I need some Dran-O, as my dorm sink is clogging.
Erk... I was hoping no one would remember that.

So... let's see...

Dran-O for Romanore
A case of fascists to share.

Any particular brand?

And anyone want anything else?

Hey brother. Glad we're not alone :D. Although techniclly i'm not a Fascist. Aren't you in the AA? And aren't you on my MSN? LOL!


Yes, I am in the Aryan Army, and proud of it, and yes, I am on your msn...lol :sniper: :mp5: :gundge: :headbang:

Yes, I am in the Aryan Army, and proud of it, and yes, I am on your msn...lol :sniper: :mp5: :gundge: :headbang:
:confused:

All this time I thought me meant that AA = Alcoholics Anonymous...

So what are facists AREN'T proud of anyway?

:confused:

All this time I thought me meant that AA = Alcoholics Anonymous...

So what are facists AREN'T proud of anyway?

You'd think they'd be in both AA's, wouldn't you? ;)

:confused:

All this time I thought me meant that AA = Alcoholics Anonymous...

So what are facists AREN'T proud of anyway?
You KNOW we party better than you. Admit it. :p.

You KNOW we party better than you. Admit it. :p.
I wouldn't know man...after the party I think I ended up getting three virgins pregneant and I ended up in Tijuana.

...I LIVE close to Los Angeles. :eek:

Yay! The monthly fascist recruitment thread! These always go down a storm... :rolleyes:

I'm not so much Fascist as I am an Authoritarian.

no. we had some, but then we utterly demolished what few tries at rational argument they made. and then we just made fun of their poor social skills, ugly clothes, and terrible personal hygiene until they left. it was a win-win situation.

Actually, it is called having a life :) Didnt chase me off if Im one you refer to :) Just been busy elsewhere ...

:D

I once was lost,
But now am found,
I heard of
Conservatism.

i used to be, but became more centrist. But I am extremely economically right wing.

No. Just because I have pictures of Mussolini on my wall, it doesn't mean I am fascist.

Ugh, I spilt coffee on my red shirt. D:

I'm fashionable, does that count?

Mmmmmm Fashionable....

How (http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Krema3.jpg) can (http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Auschw01.jpg) any (http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Belsen01.jpg) sane (http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Pol-jew1.jpg) person (http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Pol-jew2.jpg) be (http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Pit.jpg) a (http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/EG1.jpg) fashist (http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/EG2.jpg) ? (http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Classrm.jpg)

No decent person could support fascism and national socialism which are evil totalitarian ideologies responsible for the death of millions of innocent Jews, Communists, Poles, Russians, Gypsies, Homosexuals or anyone else who their hateful beliefs have led them to dislike.

:confused:

All this time I thought me meant that AA = Alcoholics Anonymous...

So what are facists AREN'T proud of anyway?

And I thought the AA were the Automobile Association. They're infiltrating everywhere! Soon they'll have mustered an army of drunk idiots driving broken down cars! Run for the hills! Run! :rolleyes:

I once was lost,
But now am found,
I heard of
Conservatism.

i used to be, but became more centrist. But I am extremely economically right wing.

check: you value financial freedom (IE, people get to keep more of what they earn)?

And I thought the AA were the Automobile Association. They're infiltrating everywhere! Soon they'll have mustered an army of drunk idiots driving broken down cars! Run for the hills! Run! :rolleyes:

nah, it's the American Automobile Association

or the Auto. Assoc. of America

AAA

rumor has it that some left-wing democrats are starting a similar auto club... only they're gonna name it Anti-American Automobile Association... so instead of triple-A, it'll be quadruple-A

hehe

Sieg Heil!

Am I the only person who knows what it means?

It roughly translates to "Hail to Victory."

So I can honestly say, SIEG HEIL!

Sieg Heil!

Am I the only person who knows what it means?

It roughly translates to "Hail to Victory."

So I can honestly say, SIEG HEIL!
...

Of course we know what it means....Geez. I hope you didn't think that.

No decent person could support fascism and national socialism which are evil totalitarian ideologies responsible for the death of millions of innocent Jews, Communists, Poles, Russians, Gypsies, Homosexuals or anyone else who their hateful beliefs have led them to dislike.

Facism has NOTHING to do with Nazism. They may have had a similiar structure, but are far different in nature, and in practice. The Facists did not kill millions of Jews, Communist, Poles, Russians, Gypsies, Homosexuals, and Germans. However, the Russians did massacre Germans, Poles, and etc.

Stalinist Communism is just as bad as Nazism, and are not the same as Facism.

How (http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Krema3.jpg) can (http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Auschw01.jpg) any (http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Belsen01.jpg) sane (http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Pol-jew1.jpg) person (http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Pol-jew2.jpg) be (http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Pit.jpg) a (http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/EG1.jpg) fashist (http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/EG2.jpg) ? (http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Classrm.jpg)

I think you may be confusing fascism with national socialism.

Fascists don't have to do shit like that.

Does AA mean Affirminative Action.

Damn Affirminative Action.

I think Affirminative Action is just another name of the "Final Solution".

We must strike it down, to prevent horrible things from happening.

I think Affirminative Action is just another name of the "Final Solution".
That was really funny.

No. Just because I have pictures of Mussolini on my wall, it doesn't mean I am fascist.

Ugh, I spilt coffee on my red shirt. D: I have pictures on my school account of Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao, Vlad von Dracul, and I'm looking to get a picture of Genghis Khan.

No, I'm not a fascist. I don't like armies and military prancing about.

I thought Sieg Heil meant something like "Your welfare and victory". I don't recognise either word… *sniff* giving up German.

I consider myself Fascist, well socially Fascist but in the Economic sense im split. I can't decide whether im Liberal or Fascist. I understand each has their pros but also their cons.

I have pictures on my school account of Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao, Vlad von Dracul, and I'm looking to get a picture of Genghis Khan.

No, I'm not a fascist. I don't like armies and military prancing about.

I thought Sieg Heil meant something like "Your welfare and victory". I don't recognise either word… *sniff* giving up German.

I have a 40+ year old pin of Mao T'sueng. It's technically will be an antique soon...;

I think you may be confusing fascism with national socialism.

Fascists don't have to do shit like that.
National socialism was a form of fascism. Click here ( fascism ) or here (http://www.remember.org/hist.root.what.html) or at several different sources. Can't think they all confuse something.

The second part of Hitler's Mein Kampf, "The National Socialistic Movement", first published in 1926, contains this passage:
I conceived the profoundest admiration for the great man south of the Alps, who, full of ardent love for his people, made no pacts with the enemies of Italy, but strove for their annihilation by all ways and means. What will rank Mussolini among the great men of this earth is his determination not to share Italy with the Marxists, but to destroy internationalism and save the fatherland from it. (p. 622)

Even if Mussolini only participated in the holocaust on the command of Hitler (so much for maximo lider), the bullying and extermination of political opponents which was employed by Mussolin, Hitleri and Franco alone cast a bad light onto fascism.

Keinen Fuß breit den Faschisten!

I have a 40+ year old pin of Mao T'sueng. It's technically will be an antique soon...; He and Stalin are vying for position of "most evil" in my account's folder.

He and Stalin are vying for position of "most evil" in my account's folder.

Nah. What Mao-Tsueing couldn't be called Evilness. It's more like incompetance.

The Cultural Revolution? Great Leap Forward? Catastrophic Failures, but not those with Evil Intent.

Nah. What Mao-Tsueing couldn't be called Evilness. It's more like incompetance.

The Cultural Revolution? Great Leap Forward? Catastrophic Failures, but not those with Evil Intent. That's what I thought until I read Wild Swans and The Unknown Story.

That's what I thought until I read Wild Swans and The Unknown Story.

Hmm. I think I should read that.

I happen to remember a song called Enough is Enough that has a line I think is relevant here: Give the fascist man a gunshot. Sorry if that violates any rules on this board, but I felt it had to be said. Fascism is dead and I hope it never comes back.

I happen to remember a song called Enough is Enough that has a line I think is relevant here: Give the fascist man a gunshot. Sorry if that violates any rules on this board, but I felt it had to be said. Fascism is dead and I hope it never comes back.
You're an anarchist. Oi Polloi have several great anti-nazi anti-fash songs.

Hmm. I think I should read that. Do so. Wild Swans (which I read in hospital) had me thinking he was corrupt. The Unknown Story showed his ruthless evil. It is… enlightening, but hard to read. So many years of pain.

American Facists? And here I thought California Uber Alles was hyperbole!

Don't worry, most of them will grow out of it.

So what are facists AREN'T proud of anyway?
Their miniscule penises.

nah, it's the American Automobile Association

or the Auto. Assoc. of America

AAA

rumor has it that some left-wing democrats are starting a similar auto club... only they're gonna name it Anti-American Automobile Association... so instead of triple-A, it'll be quadruple-A

hehe
Normally I hate when people call the left "Anti-American", but I couldn't help but laugh at this.

Rofl, that quote is hilarious.

How (http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Krema3.jpg) can (http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Auschw01.jpg) any (http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Belsen01.jpg) sane (http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Pol-jew1.jpg) person (http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Pol-jew2.jpg) be (http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Pit.jpg) a (http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/EG1.jpg) fashist (http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/EG2.jpg) ? (http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Classrm.jpg)

No decent person could support fascism and national socialism which are evil totalitarian ideologies responsible for the death of millions of innocent Jews, Communists, Poles, Russians, Gypsies, Homosexuals or anyone else who their hateful beliefs have led them to dislike.

Are you both aware that Communism has killed far more people innocent people than fascism or Nazism?

I despise both. They are both political manifestations of the worst things human beings can conjure up.

Are you both aware that Communism has killed far more people innocent people than fascism or Nazism?

Eh, Soviet Communism could well be considered Communism in name only, seeing as how it was ruled by a dictator, and there were still people who were better off than others. I'd say that failed attempts at communism are dangerous, not communism itself.

Edit: Given how Hitler started WWII, I'd say that Nazism beats Stalinism.

Actually, Communism states that...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship_of_the_proletariat

Are you both aware that Communism has killed far more people innocent people than fascism or Nazism?
That was Stalinism which has nothing in common with and is in fact completely incompatible with true Communism or Marxism. Not only is it also incorrect by any historical evidence but it is very dangerous to try to devalue the despicable crimes of fascism by saying that some other ideology killed more people.

I despise both. They are both political manifestations of the worst things human beings can conjure up.
I don't understand how anyone could "despise" Communism as it the only ideology that attempts to free humanity from all forms of oppression and exploitation and to empower every member of society within a genuinely democratic political process and form of economic management.

Actually, Communism states that [there must be a transition period between capitalist and communist society "in which the state can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat."]
That is quite correct but the "dictatorship of the proletariat" is not the dictatorship of a particlar individual or political but is instead the democratic management of the state (before it eventually withers away) by the entire working class. The true meaning of the term is expressed by Rosa Luxemburg:

"This dictatorship consists in the manner of applying democracy, not in its elimination, but in energetic, resolute attacks upon the well-entrenched rights and economic relationships of bourgeois society, without which a socialist transformation cannot be accomplished. This dictatorship must be the work of the class and not of a little leading minority in the name of the class — that is, it must proceed step by step out of the active participation of the masses; it must be under their direct influence, subjected to the control of complete public activity; it must arise out of the growing political training of the mass of the people."

Are you both aware that Communism has killed far more people innocent people than fascism or Nazism?

I despise both. They are both political manifestations of the worst things human beings can conjure up.
Does the fact that communism killed more people than fascism justifies fascism? Most strange logic. :confused:

well fascism and communism are both unacceptable. So lets all accept it

well fascism and communism are both unacceptable. So lets all accept it

Do you mean actual communism or fucked-up, totalitarian socialism?

That was Stalinism which has nothing in common with and is in fact completely incompatible with true Communism or Marxism. Not only is it also incorrect by any historical evidence but it is very dangerous to try to devalue the despicable crimes of fascism by saying that some other ideology killed more people.And I have done no such thing. Stalinism Shmalinism. He was able to implement his powers because of the void that the communist system creates.

I don't understand how anyone could "despise" Communism as it the only ideology that attempts to free humanity from all forms of oppression and exploitation and to empower every member of society within a genuinely democratic political process and form of economic management.While attampting to achieve all those freedoms it fails miserably. On the other hand it takes away an individual's right to private property. And I suppose political oppression and the right to free press and freedom of speech mean nothing to you? They have always been taken away from the people whenever Communism or any extreme right wing ideology has run amock with power.

Any moderate more centrist ideology will achieve politcal and democratic freedom much better than any extremist one-party ideology.

Does the fact that communism killed more people than fascism justifies fascism? Most strange logic. :confused:Of course not.

Do you mean actual communism or fucked-up, totalitarian socialism?If you ask me I'll tell you that one has always implied the other. If you know of any practicall cases where Communism has been sucessfully implemented guaranteeing the rights of it's citizens... be my guest.

Of course not.
So what's your point?

So what's your point?My point is that Communism is just as bad as fascism or Nazism. And I say this without devalueing anything.

Perhaps fascism/nazism (whatever you'd call it) is quicker and deadlier and makes itself more perfectly clear in it's evil tryanical nightmarish eugenistic ideology, but communism works the same way on an ideological level.

If you know of any practicall cases where Communism has been sucessfully implemented.

I don't know any. Stalin converted it into a fascism. At least, under communism the equality of oportunities was granted. Look, a president of the USSR was farmer in his youth. And his father, carpenter.

In the occidental democracies the only way to improve your life is reaching power and richness, and it only can be done if you are "son of", "friend of", or "you studied with".

I don't know any. Stalin converted it into a fascism. At least, under communism the equality of oportunities was granted. Look, a president of the USSR was farmer in his youth. And his father, carpenter.That means nothing. Hitler came from a poor family too.

In the occidental democracies the only way to improve your life is reaching power and richness, and it only can be done if you are "son of", "friend of", or "you studied with".You are wrong. Abraham Lincoln was dirt poor and he became president. If anything the west is the land of opportunity for future self made men. And women. ;)

That means nothing. Hitler came from a poor family too.

You are wrong. Abraham Lincoln was dirt poor and he became president. If anything the west is the land of opportunity for future self made men. And women. ;)

Hitler's speeches were performances, that's why he won; lying, using racism as an ideology. And Abraham Lincoln becamse president because they needed something useless; in case of falling, it would be cheaper get rid of him :D
That former president whose name I don't remember (Kruschev?) didn't lie. Didn't do a performance. Didn't use racism as ideology. And was not backguarded by nobody. He reached the power thanks to his natural habilities. THOSE are opportunities. Could any of us become president of the USA? Negative.

Hitler's speeches were performances, that's why he won; lying, using racism as an ideology. And Abraham Lincoln becamse president because they needed something useless; in case of falling, it would be cheaper get rid of him :D
That former president whose name I don't remember (Kruschev?) didn't lie. Didn't do a performance. Didn't use racism as ideology. And was not backguarded by nobody. He reached the power thanks to his natural habilities. THOSE are opportunities. Could any of us become president of the USA? Negative. Khruschev became president because he was the best man for the job out of all those who had survived Stalin's purges. Let's face it, a high-up man who survived Stalin's purges isn't exactly going to be trustworthy… you take what you can find.

Are there any FASCISTS here?


OOC: I personally am not but my nation is! :)

Khruschev became president because he was the best man for the job out of all those who had survived Stalin's purges. Let's face it, a high-up man who survived Stalin's purges isn't exactly going to be trustworthy… you take what you can find.

Agreed, Taking power in the Soviet Union was mostly jockeying for position until the Leader Dies and having allies in offices that can make you leader. So, his abilities that got him into power was political manouvering and just being better at it than the other guy. Politics in any Totalitarian state is the same way. Just try to be the Top Dog when the leader dies.

Agreed, Taking power in the Soviet Union was mostly jockeying for position until the Leader Dies and having allies in offices that can make you leader. So, his abilities that got him into power was political manouvering and just being better at it than the other guy. Politics in any Totalitarian state is the same way. Just try to be the Top Dog when the leader dies. Besides, Khrushchev was a proud idiot. Just look at the "virgin lands" policy.

Then it wasn't Kruschev :D

Then it wasn't Kruschev :D Well, I can tell you that Stalin was a Georgian peasant who got to be the Vozhd' by hard work and determination.

My point is that Communism is just as bad as fascism or Nazism. And I say this without devalueing anything.

Perhaps fascism/nazism (whatever you'd call it) is quicker and deadlier and makes itself more perfectly clear in it's evil tryanical nightmarish eugenistic ideology, but communism works the same way on an ideological level.
Yeah, but I never wrote something like "communism was fine", you post was superfluous.

Saying that communism works at the same ideology level than fascism is a lack of knowledgement of communism.

Communism is a good idea, but has been misused.

Saying that communism works at the same ideology level than fascism is a lack of knowledgement of communism.

Communism is a good idea, but has been misused. Pretty much on the dot. I don't think true communism can come into being on this mortal rock… except in the Kingdom of Heaven, of course. But that's a different story. :D

im a fascist ! im a fascist ! IM A FASCIST ! RAAAAAHHHH ! FASCIST OVER HERE !!
GRRRRR....id have you all shot on the spot :mp5:

im a fascist ! im a fascist ! IM A FASCIST ! RAAAAAHHHH ! FASCIST OVER HERE !!
GRRRRR....id have you all shot on the spot :mp5: As long as you don't have a bloody moustache.

im a fascist ! im a fascist ! IM A FASCIST ! RAAAAAHHHH ! FASCIST OVER HERE !!
GRRRRR....id have you all shot on the spot :mp5:

Oh boy, you need to calm right down. I think that if you lived in a Fascist State you would have been out in the First Purge.

Yeah, but I never wrote something like "communism was fine", you post was superfluous.Opinions are never superfluous.

Opinions are never superfluous.No, but your post was. Try to imagine that we both don't like fascism and marxism. Isn't to hard, isn't it. Your post got no connection to my statement. You just implied I tollerate the crimes commited in the name of communism. I don't do that.

No, but your post was. Try to imagine that we both don't like fascism and marxism. Isn't to hard, isn't it. Your post got no connection to my statement. You just implied I tollerate the crimes commited in the name of communism. I don't do that.OK but you have allready established that. I only brought it up for the sake of clarity. I hate tabus.

OK but you have allready established that. I only brought it up for the sake of clarity. I hate tabus.
Hating taboos is certainly a good thing, but the thread is named "fascism" and seems to be attended pro-fascist. Your statement would be perfectly appropiate for a thread named "the crimes of different ideologies" in which solely the crimes of fascists would have been discussed, but in this thread you made, most probably unintentional, the crimes of fascism seem harmless.

Just because I despise communism doesn't mean I'm pro-fascist. Hey... it's me Canada6 liberal democrat here... :D

Again for the sake of clarity the crimes of Fascism and Nazism are dispicable, and atrocious. The Fascist and Nazi based ideologies are among the most vile ideas that human beings can conjure up and put into practise.

Just because I despise communism doesn't mean I'm pro-fascist.
I never meant that nor wanted I to imply it.
Hey... it's me Canada6 liberal democrat here... :D Again for the sake of clarity the crimes of Fascism and Nazism are dispicable, and atrocious. The Fascist and Nazi based ideologies are among the most vile ideas that human beings can conjure up and put into practise.

Facism can work...at least when you don't go overboard, and/or insane.

Facism can work...at least when you don't go overboard, and/or insane.

Facism, would that be an authoritarian government under the command of a benevolent face?

Fascism, hurra.

Facism, would that be an authoritarian government under the command of a benevolent face?

Depends how Authoritian.

Depends how Authoritian. Don't oppose the state, show the greatest loyalty to the state, and beware the state's thug arm - those are the authoritarian principles fascism has used thus far.

Don't oppose the state, show the greatest loyalty to the state, and beware the state's thug arm - those are the authoritarian principles fascism has used thus far.

Sounds pretty good to me.

Sounds pretty good to me. I'd rather not throw my family, religion and friends over for some bitter Italian who took over the government from frightened members.

I'd rather not throw my family, religion and friends over for some bitter Italian who took over the government from frightened members.

Suit yourself

Suit yourself Ah, but in fascism, you can't suit yourself. The demand for sheer loyalty is overly high. There are easier and more moral ways to control the population.

Comparison ---

FREE MARKET DEMOCRACY
Me: "I don't agree with the government."
50% of Population: "Good point."
50% of Population: "Shut up!"

FASCIST GOVERNANCE:

Me: "I don't agree with the government."
Fascist: "Ok." (Shoots/tortures me)

............................................................

BTW, I just finished reading "The Unknown Story", Mao was even more evil than I previously imagined. The Great Leap Forward... what a ghastly waste of human life just to serve some asshole's insane dreams of power.

Facism can work...at least when you don't go overboard, and/or insane.I don't doubt for a second fascism effectiveness at achieving it's goals.
What I despise and find utterly repugnant are it's goals.

Emphasis on "utterly repugnant" there.

I don't doubt for a second fascism effectiveness at achieving it's goals.
What I despise and find utterly repugnant are it's goals.

Emphasis on "utterly repugnant" there.

Funny, I thought it was the other way around.

I find Facism's Goals quite Admirable, but I find their ways of achieving it could be improved.

Fascism, Communism, Nazism, Authoritarian Socialism, call them what you will. They're all based on the principle of "we know what's good for you better than you do", and they all suck.

Fascism, Communism, Nazism, Authoritarian Socialism, call them what you will. They're all based on the principle of "we know what's good for you better than you do", and they all suck.
They aren't the same, and some of them aren't dictatorials, as communism, just we have bad examples of it, but the comunism in fact isn't dictatorial, and theorically right implanted can be a good system.

They aren't the same

I didn't say they were the same.

and some of them aren't dictatorials, as communism, just we have bad examples of it, but the comunism in fact isn't dictatorial

I didn't say they were all dictatorial.

"Nice" Communism doesn't allow for individual or selfish action, stressing that the good of everyone is more important than personal good. That's the principle of "I know what is right and you don't" in action.

I don't doubt for a second fascism effectiveness at achieving it's goals.

you should doubt its effectiveness. once goal numero uno is achieved (power for me and a few of my friends) it all falls apart. can't make the trains run on time, so they just outlaw any paper that says so. can't run the government bureaucracy effectively, so they declare the problems to be the work of internal enemy #5, etc.

And I have done no such thing. Stalinism Shmalinism. He was able to implement his powers because of the void that the communist system creates.
Stalin was able to rise to power because the early USSR, even under Lenin, had never genuinely followed Marxist theory or implemented the true meaning of the "dictatorship of the proletariat" which instead became the dictatorship of the Communist Party. Marx however in the Communist Manifesto said that:

"The Communists do not form a separate party opposed to the other working-class parties. They have no interests separate and apart from those of the proletariat as a whole. They do not set up any sectarian principles of their own, by which to shape and mould the proletarian movement."

While attampting to achieve all those freedoms it fails miserably. On the other hand it takes away an individual's right to private property.
As I have said before genuine Communism has never been or even attempted to be implemented so it is impossible to tell whether it would fail or not. In regards to private property, Communism wouldn't deprive anyone of small personal possesions but it would bring about the democratic worker's management of the means of production, distribution and exchange.

And I suppose political oppression and the right to free press and freedom of speech mean nothing to you?
Political democracy and freedom of speech are extremely important and Communism is impossible without them as Rosa Luxemburg, one of history's greatest Communists, made clear when she said in 1919 that:

"Without general elections, without unrestricted freedom of press and assembly, without a free struggle of opinion, life dies out in every public institution, becomes a mere semblance of life, in which only the bureaucracy remains as the active element."

Her prediction turned out to be correct as we can see from what happened in Stalinist Russia.

Fascism, Communism, Nazism, Authoritarian Socialism, call them what you will. They're all based on the principle of "we know what's good for you better than you do", and they all suck.And that's I have to say about that. Total Agreement.

Fascism, Communism, Nazism, Authoritarian Socialism, call them what you will. They're all based on the principle of "we know what's good for you better than you do", and they all suck.

A correct principle that is.

what is a faceist????? :D

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Because, actual Fascism didn't kill Jews.

For those who thing Fascism supports anti-Jewish ideals need to learn the difference between it and National Socialism. In history, Mussolini was actually pro-Jew. Many of his Fascist Blackshirts were Jewish and he made Italy a fairly safe place for Jews for a long time...though eventualy there were anti- Jewish laws, most of these were ignored until Hitler took over Northern Italy.
Or we could look to Franco in Spain...he was a Fascist [Though by a different name] and he didn't kill the Jews...wouldn't even help Hitler in the war...and the Axis could easily have won had Franco joined in.
Or maybe you'd like to look at Engelbert Dollfuss, who along with Mussolini was very much anti-Nazi...though Dollfuss didn't consider him a Fascist, his government was very similar.
Antonio Salazar of Portugal was another very Fascist leader who wasn't all that bad.
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I am a Proud Fascist, but very much anti-Nazi.

Their miniscule penises.
No, my penis is quite worth being proud of...though by your logic you're a Fascist.

I don't know any. Stalin converted it into a fascism. At least, under communism the equality of oportunities was granted. Look, a president of the USSR was farmer in his youth. And his father, carpenter.
The U.S.S.R. was never Fascist…the only thing they had in common was that they had a Dictator for a leader.

Hail Mussolini!
Hail Tyrssen!
Fascism Forward (http://fascismforum.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?act=idx)

A few posters on this thread illustrate a point that needs to be emphasised: fascism did not die with Hitler or that loser Mussolini, or Franco. It may not be as organised, but it sure as hell is still alive. It's more visible in Europe--such as the British National Front/Party--but here in America, they are called 'neo-nazis' for a reason.

Reading posts like Voxio, I can't figure out whether to laugh or to vomit. It is sad when the only defense of one's chosen ideology is 'it's not as bad as this other one.' Yeah, Franco didn't kill Jews--just thousands of his political opponents: 'Our regime is based on bayonets and blood, not on hypocritical elections.'

Fascism needs to be fought wherever it rears its hateful, ugly head. Unlike communism, it didn't start out as a model for an ideal society--it was oppression and hate from the very start, and made no qualms about it. Support for fascism in any of its forms is support for the worst depravities of humanity.

--proud member of Youth Against Fascism

Reading posts like Voxio, I can't figure out whether to laugh or to vomit. I think the best reaction is to first vomit and then laugh :D

It is sad when the only defense of one's chosen ideology is 'it's not as bad as this other one.' Damn right.

Fascism needs to be fought wherever it rears its hateful, ugly head. Unlike communism, My take on this is that Fascism should be fought, and communism should be simply avoided.

Funny, I thought it was the other way around.

I find Facism's Goals quite Admirable, but I find their ways of achieving it could be improved.Careful. That's how they bait people, by appearing acceptable and making their less repugnant activities and goals public or sound nice.

Reading posts like Voxio, I can't figure out whether to laugh or to vomit. It is sad when the only defense of one's chosen ideology is 'it's not as bad as this other one.'
My point wasn't that it isn't as bad...my point was that there is a difference and I'd like people to know it.

Unlike communism, it didn't start out as a model for an ideal society--it was oppression and hate from the very start, and made no qualms about it. Support for fascism in any of its forms is support for the worst depravities of humanity.
Actually, because it was largely based on anti-communism for the reason that Communsism wouldn't really work one could say that it was for the benifit of humanity. Not to mention that the idea of National Syndicalism was put forward as a means of preventing businesses from corrupting government officials.

Yeah, Franco didn't kill Jews--just thousands of his political opponents: 'Our regime is based on bayonets and blood, not on hypocritical elections.'
That staement was largely based upon the fact that he fought for his power.

If you want to see a leader who Fascist and didn't execute people, look at Mussolini...he was in power from 1924 until nearly the end of WWII and only had 22 people killed through illegal and legal means alike...

Funny, I thought it was the other way around.

I find Facism's Goals quite Admirable, but I find their ways of achieving it could be improved.

Which goals would those be? Blind devotion to the state or leader at the expense of individual rights? Submission of all cultures to the approved dominant one? Economic totalitarianism? Or just the spiffy uniforms?

And as for the weak attempts by others to seperate Nazism from fascism, the differences are minor. The only major one is that Hitler added 'racial loyalty' to the concept of being slavishly devoted the a national ideal. One could argue that class views also differed, but not so much; true, Nazism wanted classlessness, but they only considered a very specific set of people to be a legitamate class.

At most, one can say Nazism is a unique strand of fascism, but in no way seperate enough to not call it fascism.
Hitler and Mussolini themselves recognised their political similarities.

That staement was largely based upon the fact that he fought for his power.

If you want to see a leader who Fascist and didn't execute people, look at Mussolini...he was in power from 1924 until nearly the end of WWII and only had 22 people killed through illegal and legal means alike...[/QUOTE]


The fuck? Have you never heard of Libya? According to Denis Mack Smith in Mussolini's Roman Empire (1976): 20,000 died in concentration camps, with perhaps 100,000 Bedouins (or half the Bedouin population) dying overall.

He killed half the population in Cyraneica.

Edit: And let's not forget Ethiopia.

Which goals would those be? Blind devotion to the state or leader at the expense of individual rights? Submission of all cultures to the approved dominant one? Economic totalitarianism? Or just the spiffy uniforms?


Exactly. Great goals. Especially the uniforms.

Are there any FASCISTS here?
you could call me a fascist.
but i dislike nationalsocialism greatly, so not the kind that you are, by your name.

If you want to see a leader who Fascist and didn't execute people, look at Mussolini...he was in power from 1924 until nearly the end of WWII and only had 22 people killed through illegal and legal means alike...[/B][/COLOR]

I'm suprised no one has mentioned this, but...

Since when was having 22 people killed through "illegal and legal means" an acceptable statistic in the first place? Imagine going to a job interview and assuring the interviewer that you only killed 22 people? :eek: :mp5:

I'm suprised no one has mentioned this, but...

Since when was having 22 people killed through "illegal and legal means" an acceptable statistic in the first place? Imagine going to a job interview and assuring the interviewer that you only killed 22 people? :eek: :mp5:

We execute that many prisoners in America every month in Texas.

"Fascism is capitalism in decay."
-Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

Lenin is obviously an expert on decay.

We execute that many prisoners in America every month in Texas.

Seriously?! 22 a month!
:eek: :eek:

Lenin was a politcal genius. He managed to bring the largest country in the world under socialist rule, and destroy an ineffective government led by fat bureaucrats, it was Stalin who screwed things up. He was a fascist egotistical pig.

Political genious's don't order 200,000 summary executions.

Lester B Pearson is a political genious.

Exactly. Great goals. Especially the uniforms.

why do fash always have a kink for uniforms?

Seriously?! 22 a month!
:eek: :eek:
I think in Texas 22 is about a year.

I believe being charged with murder automatically grants you the death penalty.

why do fash always have a kink for uniforms?The "uni" bit is what does it. Makes everyone look the same...

Dude, because, the Facists always get the best uniforms.

Compare...

http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/uniforms/uniform-ss_officers.gif

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:e1E14xHws8EJ:http://www.marcorsyscom.usmc.mil/sites/mcub/defaul1.jpg

Obviously, the first group of uniforms is WAAAAAY cooler.

No decent person could support fascism and national socialism which are evil totalitarian ideologies responsible for the death of millions of innocent Jews, Communists, Poles, Russians, Gypsies, Homosexuals or anyone else who their hateful beliefs have led them to dislike.Was,t it great, we need some more of that.

Was,t it great, we need some more of that.
That's something you say about porn, NOT this.

Dude, because, the Facists always get the best uniforms.

Compare...

http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/uniforms/uniform-ss_officers.gif

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:e1E14xHws8EJ:http://www.marcorsyscom.usmc.mil/sites/mcub/defaul1.jpg

Obviously, the first group of uniforms is WAAAAAY cooler.
Nah, the first group has those ugly little red armbands...
Anyway, have you never heard of the Sukhomlinov Effect? Nifty uniforms suck!

It's a simple fact. America should take's Germany's old Uniforms. They're pretty damn awesome.

We'll just replace the Swastika with the U.S. Flag, and we're good to go.

Didn't the British around WW1 or so had uniforms like the Nazi uniforms? Not exactly the same, but similar.

Was,t it great, we need some more of that.

I'm going to assume that the first word was meant to be a 'Wasnt'. Going from that, this comment is clearly trolling, which is against the rules of NS. Going out of your way to make a comment that purposely upsets the rest of the players here is what trolling is called. Don't do it.

Didn't the British around WW1 or so had uniforms like the Nazi uniforms? Not exactly the same, but similar.

See? And that's why they kicked ass in WWI.

In WWII, Germany kicked ass, due to their spiffy uniforms, but lost eventually, after they were slowly taken over, because they were just massively outnumbered. Plus, they had a grade-A tip top idiot in charge.

It's a simple fact. America should take's Germany's old Uniforms. They're pretty damn awesome.

We'll just replace the Swastika with the U.S. Flag, and we're good to go.Everything from ww2 germany is highly collectable and expensive, look at what some of it goes for *links edited out*

See? And that's why they kicked ass in WWI.

In WWII, Germany kicked ass, due to their spiffy uniforms, but lost eventually, after they were slowly taken over, because they were just massively outnumbered. Plus, they had a grade-A tip top idiot in charge.
Just walking around in circles with those uniforms looks badass.

It's a simple fact. America should take's Germany's old Uniforms. They're pretty damn awesome.

We'll just replace the Swastika with the U.S. Flag, and we're good to go.I'll tell you why that would be a silly idea:
It has been suggested that it is possible to predict who will lose a war by identifying which side has the more elaborate uniforms. Such a notion has been called the "Sukhomlinov Effect," after General V.A. Sukhomlinov, the Minister of War of Russia in 1914. In an era of elaborate uniforms, Sukhomlinov seems to have gone one better. The Russians, of course, did poorly against the Germans on the Eastern Front in World War I, although the Germans (with more elaborate uniforms) then lost on the Western Front. This rule only really fails with the Japanese (and the Boers).Source (http://www.friesian.com/rank.htm)

Everything from ww2 germany is highly collectable and expensive, look at what some of it goes for www.simpsonltd.com and www.militarywarehouse.net

I mean America should manufacture replicas for us to use.