NationStates Jolt Archive

ETA: This is not mine but was written by a US Army soldier. Good read for those who are supporting Sheehan.


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I would not want any of my family members to dishonor my service by protesting against the war. I would not want my name on road-side planted crosses for Liberals (who do not know the meaning of sacrifice) to use it as a tool to help further their political agenda.

I volunteered in the US military on my own.
I volunteered to go Airborne on my own.
I volunteered to join Special Forces on my own.
I volunteered for my second combat tour in Iraq.

No one is forcing me to do anything against my will. President Bush did not force me to do anything. If I die in combat, he is not responsible for my death. The enemy is.

WMD's were found in Iraq & Afghanistan. They are Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Uday Hussein, Qusay Hussein & the rest of the Insurgency. They are the weapons that have destroyed hundreds of thousands of lives.

I once again wait by the eve of another battle with a lot of Anticipation, Excitement, Confidence & a little bit of Fear. Yes, Fear. For those that do not feel fear are not truly brave. I once read that being brave is not about not being fearless, but rather having the intestinal fortitude to move forward & pass those fears to accomplish your mission.

We all will meet the Grim Reaper one day. I would much rather meet him in battle with Honor, fighting not only for this country, but for innocent people around the world who cannot fight for themselves. Those Who Live by the Sword, Die by the Sword. I have chosen the path of the sword & if the sword shall take my life, so be it. I am at peace with that, but the Reaper will have to take me on the battlefield standing with my weapon in my hand, not laying my on back on some deathbed.

For me, it has nothing to do with Presidents or their Politics. It is about the things that my father taught me: Honor, Courage, Integrity & the men around me who share these values. It seems as though these values are foreign to some Liberals as they are more concerned with seeing how far they can exercise their freedoms, just for the sake of having that right to do so. In some ways, I respect my enemy more than those that protest this war. At least they are willing to fight & die for their cause.

What would you fight for? What would you die for?

There is more to being an American than being born in the United States of America. I wasn’t born here, but ever since kindergarten, I have pledged my allegiance to the United States of America, One nation under God. America is where I call my home & where I will defend her until the bitter end. As an American & as a Soldier, I stand behind our President. Regardless of whether or not you believe in him, stand behind him & his actions. He is our Commander in Chief. Show the world & especially show our enemies that we are One Nation, Undivided.

Remember that we did not start this war, they did. Remember our brothers & sisters who fell on September 11th. Do not think that just because you didn’t have family members or friends that died on that day, that they will always be safe. Do not think that just because you haven’t been attacked, doesn’t mean that you won’t be attacked tomorrow. We go in harm’s way to see that you may never have to experience these things. Do not sleep under the Blanket of Security that we have provided & judge us on the method in which we provide it. Though I do not agree with the actions at Abu Ghraib Prison, I can assure you with most certainty that it is a far cry from having your head hacked off with a knife. Don’t take your freedoms for granted. If you do not support the war, you do not support us. That’s the only way we see it.


Nick B. Tran
U.S. Army
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Thank you for your service and godspeed.

One man really has no power. People give each other power.

I can use your entire article to support anarchy, but I wont.

query: why are conservatives willing to sacrifice their lifes for the good of this country, but don't want to pay taxes to the same end? do you actually value your money more than your lives?

We all will meet the Grim Reaper one day. I would much rather meet him in battle with Honor, fighting not only for this country, but for innocent people around the world who cannot fight for themselves.

fuck yeah!

Sometimes I worry about the future and what will happen when my generation gets to take the wheel of the world. Then I read things like this and the worry begins to fade and I know that with people like this, no matter how few their are, the world will be a better place in the end. People who say they support the troops, but not the war, forget that it is the troops who wage the war. Supporting the troops, but not the war is like saying you support the automobile, but not the wheels. It is so easy to take the critical, cynical, and negative route in the times that we live in. It takes a brave, and, yes, perhaps crazy, individual to stand up from the shadows and look towards tomorrow for a better future. Last time I checked, optimism was a true American characteristic. To look through the darkest of times and realize that there is still hope. Thank you is not enough to anyone who would give their life for mine. The only thanks I can give is to guarantee that I will live my life as best as I can for those whose lives have been lost. They gave their life for ours, the least we can do is give them our waking lives to ensure a better future for all. Thank you for all you do. It feels great to sleep in such a wonderful blanket.

query: why are conservatives willing to sacrifice their lifes for the good of this country, but don't want to pay taxes to the same end? do you actually value your money more than your lives?

you know its not as simple as that - its not like theres a piggy bank called "the country" and we're not chipping in because we're too busy sitting in our mountian top castles hating Jews

query: why are conservatives willing to sacrifice their lifes for the good of this country, but don't want to pay taxes to the same end? do you actually value your money more than your lives?

What?

I pay my taxes like everyone else. Money is a neccesity. If we didn't need it to survive, I'd throw it all away. Are you saying conservatives value lower taxes and that's a bad thing? Conservatives value lower taxes because lower taxes mean a smaller government, which is a good thing. Taxes are supposed to be used to raise revenue for government to run, that's it. Not as a deterant or to draw someone into buying a new hybrid car. Certainly not to be used to replace an individuals lazyness. To raise revenue. That's just were my two cents are going at least.

You don't need money to survive. Its possible to live without it, as we did for say, 10,000 years???

You don't need money to survive. Its possible to live without it, as we did for say, 10,000 years???

well, I suppose if your content to live as an ape

You don't need money to survive. Its possible to live without it, as we did for say, 10,000 years???

Best of luck on that one.

Wow a whole thread dedicated to glorifying ones self … and then using that in an attempt to justify the decisions of the presidency

Hey bub those of us that disagree with the presidency decision do not necessarily wish to deride you of your sacrifice

But somehow it is always perceived that way … that those who protest the war somehow are trying to degrade you … I am sure there are some that do but not all of us.

But its hard not to get down on you when you start a “hey look at me I am a great boy or girl that deserves to be honored” and then try to use fuzzy logic like tying September 11 into the war on iraq.

Nothing but emotive language and a whole lot of rhetoric and attempting to justify something that is very questionable (right or wrong a lot of veterans attempt to slander the other side as un American … I just hope you are not one of those simpletons that do so)

I know I am wandering a bit

But what I mean is … I can understand you see one course of action as best … we see another don’t start throwing around emotive language and doing the whole “I am holier then thou” sort of thing that never leads to actual results

well, I suppose if your content to live as an ape
Nice simplification … we used the bartering system a long time after that stage

For me, it has nothing to do with Presidents or their Politics. It is about the things that my father taught me: Honor, Courage, Integrity & the men around me who share these values. It seems as though these values are foreign to some Liberals as they are more concerned with seeing how far they can exercise their freedoms, just for the sake of having that right to do so. In some ways, I respect my enemy more than those that protest this war. At least they are willing to fight & die for their cause.


You would prefer that Americans who don't support the war were fighting and dying to protest it? This is a generalisation, but it's not that liberals are afraid to fight for their freedom, the point is many people don't think this war has anything to do with freedom.

You would prefer that Americans who don't support the war were fighting and dying to protest it? This is a generalisation, but it's not that liberals are afraid to fight for their freedom, the point is many people don't think this war has anything to do with freedom.
Yeah just more generalization and emotive language by them … anyone that does not agree that their path is the best is somehow lesser and not as determined nor willing to standup for a cause

Just nothing but emotive language … (we see the same thing out of the left with the whole babykiller mindless brute generalization too but that seems to have died down a bit from what I can see)

WMD's were found in Iraq & Afghanistan. They are Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Uday Hussein, Qusay Hussein & the rest of the Insurgency. They are the weapons that have destroyed hundreds of thousands of lives.

I once again wait by the eve of another battle with a lot of Anticipation, Excitement, Confidence & a little bit of Fear. Yes, Fear. For those that do not feel fear are not truly brave. I once read that being brave is not about not being fearless, but rather having the intestinal fortitude to move forward & pass those fears to accomplish your mission.

We all will meet the Grim Reaper one day. I would much rather meet him in battle with Honor, fighting not only for this country, but for innocent people around the world who cannot fight for themselves. Those Who Live by the Sword, Die by the Sword. I have chosen the path of the sword & if the sword shall take my life, so be it. I am at peace with that, but the Reaper will have to take me on the battlefield standing with my weapon in my hand, not laying my on back on some deathbed.

For me, it has nothing to do with Presidents or their Politics. It is about the things that my father taught me: Honor, Courage, Integrity & the men around me who share these values. It seems as though these values are foreign to some Liberals as they are more concerned with seeing how far they can exercise their freedoms, just for the sake of having that right to do so. In some ways, I respect my enemy more than those that protest this war. At least they are willing to fight & die for their cause.

What would you fight for? What would you die for?

There is more to being an American than being born in the United States of America. I wasn’t born here, but ever since kindergarten, I have pledged my allegiance to the United States of America, One nation under God. America is where I call my home & where I will defend her until the bitter end. As an American & as a Soldier, I stand behind our President. Regardless of whether or not you believe in him, stand behind him & his actions. He is our Commander in Chief. Show the world & especially show our enemies that we are One Nation, Undivided.

Remember that we did not start this war, they did. Remember our brothers & sisters who fell on September 11th. Do not think that just because you didn’t have family members or friends that died on that day, that they will always be safe. Do not think that just because you haven’t been attacked, doesn’t mean that you won’t be attacked tomorrow. We go in harm’s way to see that you may never have to experience these things. Do not sleep under the Blanket of Security that we have provided & judge us on the method in which we provide it. Though I do not agree with the actions at Abu Ghraib Prison, I can assure you with most certainty that it is a far cry from having your head hacked off with a knife. Don’t take your freedoms for granted. If you do not support the war, you do not support us. That’s the only way we see it.


Nick B. Tran
U.S. Army


So you want to die for your country. Well, good luck with that. I'll be pulling for you.

As for me, I might enlist if they sent me to Afghanistan, because we have a fucking reason for being there. But I absolutely will not pick up a gun and kill people who have done me no wrong. I will not participate in a war that has only excuses and no purpose. Just as I would not participate if Bush decided tomorrow to invade Poland. History will judge us, all of us, and will remember whether or not we stood up for what was right and just.

A century from now you too will be judged, so think about it. Give some thought to whether or not we have done to the country of Iraq a service. Check your morality man, check it hard.

In the end I would probably die for Justice. That's why I would not die in Iraq. As far as I am concerned, those who die there are dying for nothing, and you all have my sympathy. If only you would take it.

I understand your reasons for going to battle, and i applaud your courage on this, however...

You say that you do not care about presidents or politics... does that mean you do not care why the war is being fought? I understand why it was and still is being fought, to free a people and to reestablish some order on the arabic peninsula, but before this, shouldn't we care about ourselves first??

I walk on the streets and still i see people with hunger, still see kids doping themselves with paint cans when they should be in school... what about these problems?...

Shouldn't we first solve our problems before solving someone elses???

And no, we did not go to Iraq to fight Osama Bin Laden. As far as we know, at the time of the war, he was still hiding on Afganistan, not Iraq.

For those that know the bible somewhat, you should know the parable where a man offers his friend to help him with a straw in his eye, while the man has a log on his. "Hypocrite! Take first the log off your eye, so you are able to see the straw on your friend's eye!"

Thank you very much for your service to this country. I only wish that those Americans fortunate enough to have been born in this country valued the freedoms you have fought for as much as you obviously do.

Notice how some of the liberals amongst couldn't have let this statement stand on it's own without attempting to take it over as their own bully pulpit for their own point of view. Utterly pathetic.

Thank you very much for your service to this country. I only wish that those Americans fortunate enough to have been born in this country valued the freedoms you have fought for as much as you obviously do.

Notice how some of the liberals amongst couldn't have let this statement stand on it's own without attempting to take it over as their own bully pulpit for their own point of view. Utterly pathetic.
SO he posted a preachy post in a DISSUSSION forum and you did not expect discussion?
I find that rather naïve

Not to mention your assumption that all of us that does not take his “statement” at face value are liberals

query: why are conservatives willing to sacrifice their lifes for the good of this country, but don't want to pay taxes to the same end? do you actually value your money more than your lives?

You pay Taxes to the GOVERNMENT, NOT your country.

Aside from that, The US government still has a lot of work that needs to be done to it.

Thank you very much for your service to this country. I only wish that those Americans fortunate enough to have been born in this country valued the freedoms you have fought for as much as you obviously do.

Notice how some of the liberals amongst couldn't have let this statement stand on it's own without attempting to take it over as their own bully pulpit for their own point of view. Utterly pathetic.

This isn't mine, nor have I served.....YET. It will be with the USMC when I do. Just gotta finish College, Arr!

The US Marine corps-the original Insurgent detergent!

So you want to die for your country. Well, good luck with that. I'll be pulling for you.

As for me, I might enlist if they sent me to Afghanistan, because we have a fucking reason for being there. But I absolutely will not pick up a gun and kill people who have done me no wrong. I will not participate in a war that has only excuses and no purpose. Just as I would not participate if Bush decided tomorrow to invade Poland. History will judge us, all of us, and will remember whether or not we stood up for what was right and just.

A century from now you too will be judged, so think about it. Give some thought to whether or not we have done to the country of Iraq a service. Check your morality man, check it hard.

In the end I would probably die for Justice. That's why I would not die in Iraq. As far as I am concerned, those who die there are dying for nothing, and you all have my sympathy. If only you would take it.

I'd give my left nut to go to Iraq or AFG right now, seriously. My girlfriend's cousin was killed in IQ after he re-enlisted to go back.

I understand your reasons for going to battle, and i applaud your courage on this, however...

You say that you do not care about presidents or politics... does that mean you do not care why the war is being fought? I understand why it was and still is being fought, to free a people and to reestablish some order on the arabic peninsula, but before this, shouldn't we care about ourselves first??

I walk on the streets and still i see people with hunger, still see kids doping themselves with paint cans when they should be in school... what about these problems?...

Shouldn't we first solve our problems before solving someone elses???

And no, we did not go to Iraq to fight Osama Bin Laden. As far as we know, at the time of the war, he was still hiding on Afganistan, not Iraq.

For those that know the bible somewhat, you should know the parable where a man offers his friend to help him with a straw in his eye, while the man has a log on his. "Hypocrite! Take first the log off your eye, so you are able to see the straw on your friend's eye!"

You will forever see those problems. Christ himself said "You will always have the poor with you", and that applies to today. Several trillion dollars since the 70's have gone to fighting poverty, but has it cured it? No. It's been a big waste of money. Could have spent it on something better, like lowering taxes or building more nukes or something useful...

WMD's were found in Iraq & Afghanistan. They are Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Uday Hussein, Qusay Hussein & the rest of the Insurgency. They are the weapons that have destroyed hundreds of thousands of lives.

OK. First, Iraq DID NOT have any WMD. Even the US government admitted that. Sure, they found other reasons for the war (*after* the war was started for this false reason of course), but that doesn't change a thing: no WMD. None. Zero. End of story.

For me, it has nothing to do with Presidents or their Politics. It is about the things that my father taught me: Honor, Courage, Integrity & the men around me who share these values.

And what if the President follows none of these values? What if he gives you a mission that has *nothing* to do with these things? People were sent to their deaths and killed countless innocents for what? Lies. There were no WMDs. No connection to 9/11. Nor Osama Bin Laden. Sure, Saddam Hussein is out. But the inability of the occupants to deal with the current situation has turned Iraq into a terrorist breeding grounds. The infrastructure is in shambles. The government is powerless and not quite credible (hell, most people didn't even know who they were voting for). And I'm not going into the accounts from independant journalists, Red Cross, Amnesty International and the like of war crimes commited by US troops.

Now, the US has given most of the rebuilding contracts to Halliburton (of which Dick Cheney is the ex-CEO) and refused to give any to French companies.

I could go on, but I'll stop there for this point.

Where are the Honor, the Courage, the Integrity you speak of? Is it honorable to kill thousands of Iraqis innocents citizens (around a hundred thousands) so that a few big corporations can enrich themselves and, incidentally, China gets cut off from one of its major oil suppliers?

Maybe you *should* get interested in how politics work and who your leaders are.

What would you fight for? What would you die for?

There is more to being an American than being born in the United States of America. I wasn’t born here, but ever since kindergarten, I have pledged my allegiance to the United States of America, One nation under God. America is where I call my home & where I will defend her until the bitter end. As an American & as a Soldier, I stand behind our President. Regardless of whether or not you believe in him, stand behind him & his actions. He is our Commander in Chief.

Here comes the big question: who are you really loyal to? The United States of America or its President? They are not the same. Did it ever occur to you that the fundamental values of the USA and those of its leaders could be drastically different? How did going to war with Iraqs and killing innocents has protected the USA? It has endangered them more than anything else by creating fear and hatred. Those whose lives have been destroyed for no reason other than some political agenda will seek revenge, you can be assured of this.

Is following the President no matter what truly patriotic? Even when he goes against the values that were the very basis of this country?

Show the world & especially show our enemies that we are One Nation, Undivided.

What is better? To be united in blindness? Or divided in wisdom?

Remember that we did not start this war, they did. Remember our brothers & sisters who fell on September 11th.

A few terrorists aren't the whole Muslim world. There has never been any proof that Iraq/Saddam had anything to do with 9/11 nor Osama Bin Laden.

Do not think that just because you haven’t been attacked, doesn’t mean that you won’t be attacked tomorrow.

Maybe it is so, but if it ever happens, I'll make sure that I'm retaliating at the right person. Else, it's no better than shooting in the middle of a crowd because one person threw a rock at me and I didn't see who it was.

If you do not support the war, you do not support us. That’s the only way we see it.

"You're either with us or against us", right? The world isn't black and white. There's no such thing as absolute good or evil. I support the troops, because I'm sure they didn't expect being thrown into a hellhole for all the wrongs reasons. I'm sure most of them are doing their best to survive this whole mess, and because I'm sure most of them try to keep it from sinking down further. They have to do with the little, controlled information that the government provide them, so they can't really be blamed. But their leaders, on the other hand... those who manipulated the information to further their political agenda... those who filled their pockets in exchange for the blood of innocent people... I cannot support them, nor the war they have started for their selfish interests.

When you think about it, it's sort of like this: the military is the gun. The soldiers don't really have any power of their own. The President, the Secretary of Defense, the Director of the Intelligence, they are the people who control the gun. Can you blame the gun when those who wield it pull the trigger and commit murder for their selfish interests?

You can't. But you can be against the murder and the murderers. That's how it is possible to support the troops, yet be against the war and leaders behind it.

the world will be a better place in the end.

And you think this war has made the world a better place? By creating hatred directed towards the USA?

It takes a brave, and, yes, perhaps crazy, individual to stand up from the shadows and look towards tomorrow for a better future.

And it takes an even braver, and, yes, perhaps even crazier individual to stop for a moment to question if he's doing the right thing to build a better future. "Hell is paved with good intent", as they say.


They gave their life for ours

They thought so. But did they really? Whatever was their intent (which was, no doubt, to indeed give their lives so that we could see brighter days), did their deaths, in the end, serve better the people of USA, or political and corporate interests?

Is questionning these an insult to their memory? I don't think so. We have to know if their sacrifice was in vain or not, so that we can be sure others will not die for a handful of corrupt individuals.

It feels great to sleep in such a wonderful blanket.

Isn't it better to be awake and know what's going on?

You will forever see those problems. Christ himself said "You will always have the poor with you", and that applies to today. Several trillion dollars since the 70's have gone to fighting poverty, but has it cured it? No. It's been a big waste of money. Could have spent it on something better, like lowering taxes or building more nukes or something useful...


Aren't you a little too heartless... actually too fking heartless...

I don't think the people right now sitting in a shelter think about it that way, it's easy to say that we shouldn't spend money in the poor, while we sleep on a confy bed, with a tv and a computer on our room. Never thought of seeing it that way?

Spend that money on lowering taxes? Oh, so those of us that have no problems with money have more help only at the price of sinking those that have less than us?

Nukes? Oh right, let's keep building things that are no use to humanity whatsoever, that will probably age in a missile silo because (thankfully) nobody with half a brain will push the button.

Think and then discuss.

Aren't you a little too heartless... actually too fking heartless...

I don't think the people right now sitting in a shelter think about it that way, it's easy to say that we shouldn't spend money in the poor, while we sleep on a confy bed, with a tv and a computer on our room. Never thought of seeing it that way?

Spend that money on lowering taxes? Oh, so those of us that have no problems with money have more help only at the price of sinking those that have less than us?

Nukes? Oh right, let's keep building things that are no use to humanity whatsoever, that will probably age in a missile silo because (thankfully) nobody with half a brain will push the button.

Think and then discuss.

Should the goverment deal with helping people out? No. The goverment is there to administer justice, work for the common defense, protect the nation, and nothing else. Helping people out is not one of those, and either way anything outside of those 4 spots the goverment reallys screws things up.

Leave helping people to charities, with perhaps a donation from the goverment every now and then.

Should the goverment deal with helping people out? No. The goverment is there to administer justice, work for the common defense, protect the nation, and nothing else. Helping people out is not one of those, and either way anything outside of those 4 spots the goverment reallys screws things up.

Leave helping people to charities, with perhaps a donation from the goverment every now and then.

Wrong.

The government is NOT only for that. Haven't you heard of "By the people, from the people, for the people"?

The government's power comes from the people, not in reverse, so it can make their lives easier. That includes Social Security, help to the poor, and free education, between others. If the founders had created a government only to protect the territpry, without giving a damn about the people, they might as well would have chosen a dictatorship.

Shouldn't we first solve our problems before solving someone elses???

So I guess we should stop sending aid to other poorer nations. Also I guess we should stop trying to help with the poverty and other medical problems in Africa.

Having problems while helping others with theirs is called being compassionate. I wouldn't have it any other way. The United States sacrifices too much, but that's what it's all about. I mean last time we didn't help anyone we were attacked (WW2).

Also while I'm at it. I think the whole thing about this one soldiers comments is what he believes, obviously it's not the whole military. Still no one can assume that a soldier did/didn't want to go over there. It's really pathetic. I mean they joined for a reason. This is their job right now and they are working. To protest against war would be like protesting against a corporation... If you stop a war or a corporation it would put the people out of jobs.

Eh, oh well, my opinions, and I don't even bother to see people's replies about it. So don't even reply to it. Take it and leave it.

Sorry for another post... but I saw this and had to reply.
If the founders had created a government only to protect the territpry, without giving a damn about the people, they might as well would have chosen a dictatorship.
The founding fathers weren't looking for a democracy either. They orignally wanted George Washington to be king... so heh, kind of screwed there with that statement. And really... The government is only there to progress itself and defend the constitution. Example: It imprisons it's own citizens who try to protest violently against something. Also it rounded up Japanese-Americans during WW2 for the protection of the country... now what do you call that? For the people? They were citizens! By saying this, doesn't mean I hate the government or anything, I am just telling how it is.

I value all of the freedoms given to Americans, I think America is the best place to live on Earth, I respect the men and women who have died to preserve freedom in America and other lands. I do not, however, support George W. Bush or the War on "Terror" in Iraq.

Bush said the war in Iraq was all about WMD and forcing Saddam to disarm in accordance with demands from the U.N. That is what he told the U.N. anyway. It was never about 9-11, Bin Laden, terrorists, spreading democracy, or just deposing a vicious, blood-thirsty tyrant. It was getting Iraq to follow the U.N.'s resolution. Of course when we went into Iraq, we did not find WMD's. So soon after the conquest started, we were "liberating" Iraq from a mad-man. Well, I must say that Saddam was indeed a mad-man, but that was not why we went in. Or at least that wasn't what the news initially told me. Maybe I missed something, but I never thought spreading democracy was our goal from the start.

And the lovely War on Terror... oh yes. You can't fight terrorism by invading any single nation. The United States has terrorists operating inside the damned country! Why not go after them now? No, let's invade Iraq for some half-assed reason, infuriate the Arab-world, ruin our international reputation, and damage our relations with old and valued allies. WHY NOT, WE'RE SPREADING DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM TO THE BACKWARDS ARABS! I don't CARE about Iraq! Where is Osama Bin Laden, the man who destroyed our towers? Who knows! Well, at least we are on the front lines of our battle against terror. Oh wait, the U.S. invasion of Iraq isn't getting rid of terrorists... it's making even more! I mean, if you were a fanatical muslim man wouldn't you pick up a gun and go to fight the "evil" westerners who invaded your people's homeland? To fight terrorists, you have to go into many nations WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE PEOPLE AND NATIVE GOVERNMENTS and uproot the cells there. The United States, while very powerful, does not have the right to invade anyone it pleases. I do not view the war in Iraq as morally correct.

And I REFUSE to stand behind George Bush like some damed sheep in a pack while he is taking away freedom at home in America. The Patriot Act, a constitutional amendment refusing Americans their rights as a married couple... what is this? I don't LIKE him, I didn't vote for him, and it is my right to oppose his decisions. The same right you fight for in Iraq. Although I don't see how Iraq is protecting my rights or keeping me safe. Seems to me, the world wants the U.S. gone a lot more AFTER we invaded than before. But we can take 'em all on. Iran, Korea, Europe. Just bring it, baby. Don't tread on me.

I'm sorry for the rant, I like the military folk. They are great people with iron resolve. I couldn't do what they do. I'd mouth off too much, not much for orders you see. Please don't hate me because I'm "liberal." I just want more freedom here at home and equal rights for all Americans.

No one is forcing me to do anything against my will. President Bush did not force me to do anything. If I die in combat, he is not responsible for my death. The enemy is.

That's were I stopped reading. There's no point in going any further in the text if this guy doesn't even realise that Bush/congress/whoever is in charge was the one who declared who the enemy was and who sent him to attack a foreign country. The "enemy" is doing nothing but defendig himself....

query: why are conservatives willing to sacrifice their lifes for the good of this country, but don't want to pay taxes to the same end? do you actually value your money more than your lives?

The value is not in money but the freedom to chose how to spend it. The soldier who wrote that artical Chose to risk his life in something he beleives in. A businessman chooses to risk his money in ventures. Taxes in this analogy would be the same as the draft. Forcing those who are unwilling to forfeit that which they would not choose to risk.

The value is not in money but the freedom to chose how to spend it. The soldier who wrote that artical Chose to risk his life in something he beleives in. A businessman chooses to risk his money in ventures. Taxes in this analogy would be the same as the draft. Forcing those who are unwilling to forfeit that which they would not choose to risk.
But while taxes are necessary for the state to do what he is meant to do, that war was definitely not.
So I(can only ever speak for oneself? ;)) would be much more willing to give much(most) of my money to the state, so the state can built streets, has a good policeforce, etc.
than to be drafted to die for a war I do not even support....

ETA: This is not mine but was written by a US Army soldier. Good read for those who are supporting Sheehan.


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I would not want any of my family members to dishonor my service by protesting against the war. I would not want my name on road-side planted crosses for Liberals (who do not know the meaning of sacrifice) to use it as a tool to help further their political agenda.

I volunteered in the US military on my own.
I volunteered to go Airborne on my own.
I volunteered to join Special Forces on my own.
I volunteered for my second combat tour in Iraq.

No one is forcing me to do anything against my will. President Bush did not force me to do anything. If I die in combat, he is not responsible for my death. The enemy is.

WMD's were found in Iraq & Afghanistan. They are Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Uday Hussein, Qusay Hussein & the rest of the Insurgency. They are the weapons that have destroyed hundreds of thousands of lives.

I once again wait by the eve of another battle with a lot of Anticipation, Excitement, Confidence & a little bit of Fear. Yes, Fear. For those that do not feel fear are not truly brave. I once read that being brave is not about not being fearless, but rather having the intestinal fortitude to move forward & pass those fears to accomplish your mission.

We all will meet the Grim Reaper one day. I would much rather meet him in battle with Honor, fighting not only for this country, but for innocent people around the world who cannot fight for themselves. Those Who Live by the Sword, Die by the Sword. I have chosen the path of the sword & if the sword shall take my life, so be it. I am at peace with that, but the Reaper will have to take me on the battlefield standing with my weapon in my hand, not laying my on back on some deathbed.

For me, it has nothing to do with Presidents or their Politics. It is about the things that my father taught me: Honor, Courage, Integrity & the men around me who share these values. It seems as though these values are foreign to some Liberals as they are more concerned with seeing how far they can exercise their freedoms, just for the sake of having that right to do so. In some ways, I respect my enemy more than those that protest this war. At least they are willing to fight & die for their cause.

What would you fight for? What would you die for?

There is more to being an American than being born in the United States of America. I wasn’t born here, but ever since kindergarten, I have pledged my allegiance to the United States of America, One nation under God. America is where I call my home & where I will defend her until the bitter end. As an American & as a Soldier, I stand behind our President. Regardless of whether or not you believe in him, stand behind him & his actions. He is our Commander in Chief. Show the world & especially show our enemies that we are One Nation, Undivided.

Remember that we did not start this war, they did. Remember our brothers & sisters who fell on September 11th. Do not think that just because you didn’t have family members or friends that died on that day, that they will always be safe. Do not think that just because you haven’t been attacked, doesn’t mean that you won’t be attacked tomorrow. We go in harm’s way to see that you may never have to experience these things. Do not sleep under the Blanket of Security that we have provided & judge us on the method in which we provide it. Though I do not agree with the actions at Abu Ghraib Prison, I can assure you with most certainty that it is a far cry from having your head hacked off with a knife. Don’t take your freedoms for granted. If you do not support the war, you do not support us. That’s the only way we see it.


Nick B. Tran
U.S. Army
______________________________________________


I guess that a guy who goes to war voluntarily has a problem... If you're looking for a "patrotic" writing that make you cry proud, senseless of what's happening, is your matter; but I could refute every statement in that letter.

fuck yeah!


How about the 100,000 dead Iraqi civilians?

Who fought for them?

Now, if the US is directly responsible for killing at least 24,000 of them...who are we fighting for exactly?

37% off all dead Iraqi civillians, since the invasion, are directly accountable to the "Coalition" forces.

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You know a lot of this stuff sounds like the same sort of stuff the fanatics on the other side say too.

Liberals (who do not know the meaning of sacrifice)
Well, doesn't that line show him up to be a bit of a dumbass? :rolleyes:

Anyway, he's just another guy with an opinion. No more special than anyone else, not invalidating anyone else.

The value is not in money but the freedom to chose how to spend it. The soldier who wrote that artical Chose to risk his life in something he beleives in. A businessman chooses to risk his money in ventures. Taxes in this analogy would be the same as the draft. Forcing those who are unwilling to forfeit that which they would not choose to risk.
And both in my opinion are absolutely wrong unless necessary and should not be used more then necessary

You would prefer that Americans who don't support the war were fighting and dying to protest it? This is a generalisation, but it's not that liberals are afraid to fight for their freedom, the point is many people don't think this war has anything to do with freedom.


...which is completely delusional and is borne of an irrational hatred for President George W. Bush.

Facts:

The United States, and friends, took down Saddam Hussein, a dictator

Iraq, last January, held their first free and open elections in 50 years

Iraq, right now, are trying to draft/pass a constitution as the basis for a new FREE country. The United States is trying to protect this from the nut-job Sunni insurgency. The crazier part of the 20% wasnt to keep their power.

So it's not about freedom? Well freedom is what's HAPPENING, what we're trying to MAKE SURE HAPPENS. What part of that don't you get? Or are you still stuck on WMDs?

The US government could care less whether or not Iraq becomes a "free" state. All they are interested in ensuring is an obediant state.

And both in my opinion are absolutely wrong unless necessary and should not be used more then necessary

The difference/relationship between life and money as it pertains to Bush's tax strategy and the war on terror/Iraq:

Taxes are fine, so long as you get something out of what you're putting in. When your money arbitrarily goes to people you don't know, or projects from which you reap no reward -- without your consent -- then taxes may be objectionable. We fight over the amount of wealth-redistribution/welfare-state-building, because it represents a tax variable that may easily be raised or lowered (unlike money for natural disasters, roads, etc.). Also, it is the principle of financial freedom -- an American institution -- that is at stake. Most of us don't like Communism, and don't want to be forced to give our hard-earned money to those we don't know. We should have control of our money, and nobody else's. Money represents freedom thusly.

Life, of course, is our #1 right as Americans. We must bear in mind that a free Iraq will make Iraq a safer place for freedom -- which most of us still hold dear -- and a LESS SAFE PLACE FOR TERRORISTS.

(ring a bell?)

So while we've lost just under 2,000 soldiers in Iraq in the efforts to take down Saddam and give the non-nut-job Iraqis freedom and a chance at a better future as a respected country and benchmark for other middle eastern states, we have killed probably 50,000 islamic extremists who may very well one day have become terrorists on American soil, or paid people currently in the US to do terrorist atrocities, etc. This has not been a direct part of the war on terror, no... i'm not that much of a cheerleader. But it has been an indirect assault on the war on terror, as it has acted as a magnet for some of the worst people in the Middle East.

In this vein, it has made us safer. And the safer we are, the better chance we have to enjoy Life.

So money, by taxation levels, is tied to the amount of freedom (monetary freedom) we have. Life is #1, of course, for without it we cannot enjoy liberty (financial or otherwise). So you see, we're doing work to further both: lower taxes for all (none for some), and a war to build a stable iraq and kill as many terrorists as possible.

ETA: This is not mine but was written by a US Army soldier. Good read for those who are supporting Sheehan.


______________________
I would not want any of my family members to dishonor my service by protesting against the war. I would not want my name on road-side planted crosses for Liberals (who do not know the meaning of sacrifice) to use it as a tool to help further their political agenda.

I volunteered in the US military on my own.
I volunteered to go Airborne on my own.
I volunteered to join Special Forces on my own.
I volunteered for my second combat tour in Iraq.

No one is forcing me to do anything against my will. President Bush did not force me to do anything. If I die in combat, he is not responsible for my death. The enemy is.

WMD's were found in Iraq & Afghanistan. They are Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Uday Hussein, Qusay Hussein & the rest of the Insurgency. They are the weapons that have destroyed hundreds of thousands of lives.

I once again wait by the eve of another battle with a lot of Anticipation, Excitement, Confidence & a little bit of Fear. Yes, Fear. For those that do not feel fear are not truly brave. I once read that being brave is not about not being fearless, but rather having the intestinal fortitude to move forward & pass those fears to accomplish your mission.

We all will meet the Grim Reaper one day. I would much rather meet him in battle with Honor, fighting not only for this country, but for innocent people around the world who cannot fight for themselves. Those Who Live by the Sword, Die by the Sword. I have chosen the path of the sword & if the sword shall take my life, so be it. I am at peace with that, but the Reaper will have to take me on the battlefield standing with my weapon in my hand, not laying my on back on some deathbed.

For me, it has nothing to do with Presidents or their Politics. It is about the things that my father taught me: Honor, Courage, Integrity & the men around me who share these values. It seems as though these values are foreign to some Liberals as they are more concerned with seeing how far they can exercise their freedoms, just for the sake of having that right to do so. In some ways, I respect my enemy more than those that protest this war. At least they are willing to fight & die for their cause.

What would you fight for? What would you die for?

There is more to being an American than being born in the United States of America. I wasn’t born here, but ever since kindergarten, I have pledged my allegiance to the United States of America, One nation under God. America is where I call my home & where I will defend her until the bitter end. As an American & as a Soldier, I stand behind our President. Regardless of whether or not you believe in him, stand behind him & his actions. He is our Commander in Chief. Show the world & especially show our enemies that we are One Nation, Undivided.

Remember that we did not start this war, they did. Remember our brothers & sisters who fell on September 11th. Do not think that just because you didn’t have family members or friends that died on that day, that they will always be safe. Do not think that just because you haven’t been attacked, doesn’t mean that you won’t be attacked tomorrow. We go in harm’s way to see that you may never have to experience these things. Do not sleep under the Blanket of Security that we have provided & judge us on the method in which we provide it. Though I do not agree with the actions at Abu Ghraib Prison, I can assure you with most certainty that it is a far cry from having your head hacked off with a knife. Don’t take your freedoms for granted. If you do not support the war, you do not support us. That’s the only way we see it.


Nick B. Tran
U.S. Army
______________________________________________


Sounds fair. I certainly won't lose sleep when this kid bites it. He knows he is going (repeatedly it seems) into deadly combat and I think people with his attitude should. Let the right-wing fascists who feel no one has rights but themselves die. I won't shed a tear.

Think he wrote this after his daily dose of Valium?

"I would not want any of my family members to dishonor my service by protesting against the war."
They aren't, they're dishonouring the corrupt President's decision to invade a sovereign nation without just cause... That doesn't "dishonour your service".

"I would not want my name on road-side planted crosses for Liberals (who do not know the meaning of sacrifice) to use it as a tool to help further their political agenda."
Yeah. Liberals, like the overwhelming majority of the poor, ethnic minorities and other marginalised of society, know nothing of sacrifice. And they're just using emotion to further political agenda. Not that any conservatives would do that, and certainly not you. o_O

"No one is forcing me to do anything against my will. President Bush did not force me to do anything. If I die in combat, he is not responsible for my death. The enemy is."
You kill innocent people of your own will? Nice. We call that murder here. If you die in battle, Bush <i>is</i> responsible - especially as it is almost as likely to be from friendly fire as from opposing forces.

"WMD's were found in Iraq & Afghanistan. They are Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Uday Hussein, Qusay Hussein & the rest of the Insurgency. They are the weapons that have destroyed hundreds of thousands of lives."
Wow. You a poet? Oh, no, poets are liberal fags who are too busy not showering to contribute to society, right?

"I once again wait by the eve of another battle with a lot of Anticipation, Excitement, Confidence & a little bit of Fear. Yes, Fear. For those that do not feel fear are not truly brave. I once read that being brave is not about not being fearless, but rather having the intestinal fortitude to move forward & pass those fears to accomplish your mission."
Yeah. Again.

"We all will meet the Grim Reaper one day. I would much rather meet him in battle with Honor, fighting not only for this country, but for innocent people around the world who cannot fight for themselves. Those Who Live by the Sword, Die by the Sword. I have chosen the path of the sword & if the sword shall take my life, so be it. I am at peace with that, but the Reaper will have to take me on the battlefield standing with my weapon in my hand, not laying my on back on some deathbed."
What?

"For me, it has nothing to do with Presidents or their Politics. It is about the things that my father taught me: Honor, Courage, Integrity & the men around me who share these values. It seems as though these values are foreign to some Liberals as they are more concerned with seeing how far they can exercise their freedoms, just for the sake of having that right to do so. In some ways, I respect my enemy more than those that protest this war. At least they are willing to fight & die for their cause."
Honour: Killing unarmed innocents.
Courage: Fighting an unfunded and untrained opponent blindly and without thought.
Integrity: Accepting what you are told to do dspite all logic and reason.
And yeah, having freedom is for stupid liberal fags. When Bush is the Tyrant we'll all be safe and happy with our hourly friskings by shock troops.

"What would you fight for? What would you die for?"
I have fought and I would die for... oh... justice? Fairness? Equality? Other things that seem to escape you unless used as a Republican buzzword?

"There is more to being an American than being born in the United States of America. I wasn’t born here, but ever since kindergarten, I have pledged my allegiance to the United States of America, One nation under God. America is where I call my home & where I will defend her until the bitter end. As an American & as a Soldier, I stand behind our President. Regardless of whether or not you believe in him, stand behind him & his actions. He is our Commander in Chief. Show the world & especially show our enemies that we are One Nation, Undivided."
Defend her how? By invading other nations without provocation? Well done.

"Remember that we did not start this war, they did."
Blatant untruth.

"Remember our brothers & sisters who fell on September 11th."
Completely unrelated event.

"Do not think that just because you didn’t have family members or friends that died on that day, that they will always be safe. Do not think that just because you haven’t been attacked, doesn’t mean that you won’t be attacked tomorrow."
And giving Arabs even more reason to hate America and bacome terrorists will reduce the danger you face.

"We go in harm’s way to see that you may never have to experience these things."
That's the party line now, is it? Changed yet again?

"Do not sleep under the Blanket of Security that we have provided & judge us on the method in which we provide it."
Cough cough. Security you provide? Last I checked no terrorists were being stopped in the US (Despite Bush's attempt to create a police state), few were neutralised in Iraq, and hundreds sprang up in reaction to unjust American invasion and opression.

"Though I do not agree with the actions at Abu Ghraib Prison, I can assure you with most certainty that it is a far cry from having your head hacked off with a knife."
Which happened as a <i>reaction</i> to American troops - for example - executing civilian Iraqis because they couldn't speak English. Or commiting sacrilege tantamount to, in Christianity, burning an efogee of Jesus Christ. Damn those Iraqis and their skewed ideas of them having rights.

"Don’t take your freedoms for granted."
The same ones you earlier said we shouldn't fight for at home? I guess killing Muslim scum is the only way to ensure freedom.

"If you do not support the war, you do not support us. That’s the only way we see it."
Funny. That's not how my grandfather saw it when he witnessed children murdered in Vietnam. That's not how I see it when I mourn the deaths of the brave soldiers who died for Bush's benefit. That's certainly ot how Joshua Key saw it. Love the warrior; hate the war. But I guess philosophy, like free thought, is beyond a sheep like you.


Also:
Facts:

Hundreds of Iraqis have been killed by Coalition forces.

The death toll of the press in Iraq exceeds that of Vietnam.

A majority of Iraqis oppose the new government and its constitution. How free are they?

You can't give any substantial evidence those elections were any more free than Saddam's.

The proposed constitution includes devoting a large portion of funds to a police force - more than to social equality. It includes the right to deny anyone citizenship for any reason, frighteningly similar to Australia's "White Australia" policy. It includes an effective subservience to the US.

Freedom is not happening in Iraq, but you swallow the same line every time.

Here is the problem with the people saying we should not have invaded Iraq, and for the record I’m Australian.
When people such as that woman camping out near Bush’s ranch say “My son should not have been in Iraq” they dishonour them by deriding their choice to join the Armed Forces
When people say that “We should not have invaded Iraq”, they are saying that the lives of innocent Iraqis lost to Hussein’s regime are worthless, or that Iraqi are not worth the lives of Americans or other soldiers fighting and dying in Iraq, because they are saying that they do not deserve us to give them freedom and democracy.
Freedom is not free, it is paid for in blood, pain and death. We, the citizens of Australia, Britain, America and other free democracies and nations are not paying the cost for this freedom, we are living in societies with freedoms that have been paid for by others. The payers are the present enlisted soldiers, retired service people, veterans and war dead. The least we can do to honour those who fought and died for our freedoms, is aid and support those who will fight and die for the freedom of others, and those who fight and die for ours

Here is the problem with the people saying we should not have invaded Iraq, and for the record I’m Australian.
When people such as that woman camping out near Bush’s ranch say “My son should not have been in Iraq” they dishonour them by deriding their choice to join the Armed Forces
When people say that “We should not have invaded Iraq”, they are saying that the lives of innocent Iraqis lost to Hussein’s regime are worthless, or that Iraqi are not worth the lives of Americans or other soldiers fighting and dying in Iraq, because they are saying that they do not deserve us to give them freedom and democracy.

Letting a mother protest doesn't deride a son's or daughter's choice to be in the military. If anything it affirms that military forces should be used for just causes, not "just because". This war is a political one, not one of national or even international defense. Nothing has been gained by going to war. Even soldiers there that I've heard from think it is a crock of shite, but continue to uphold their sworn duty. Is it more worthwile to let our children be killed for oil?

Believe me, I know that Hussein's attrocities were numerous, but when did that become a factor? No one said we were there to "right all the wrongs". We're there for oil and to settle Bush Sr's conscience that he never did anything when he could have.


Freedom is not free, it is paid for in blood, pain and death. We, the citizens of Australia, Britain, America and other free democracies and nations are not paying the cost for this freedom, we are living in societies with freedoms that have been paid for by others. The payers are the present enlisted soldiers, retired service people, veterans and war dead. The least we can do to honour those who fought and died for our freedoms, is aid and support those who will fight and die for the freedom of others, and those who fight and die for ours

I still don't see how exactly fighting in Iraq has made me a free-er US citizen. I stand behind WWI and WWII. Other than that, I haven't seen a justification.

I honor the memory of my grandfather that trekked across the African desert on camel to get to various Nazi installations and fight. HE was fighting for freedom. My friend in Iraq isn't fighting for our freedom. He's fighting for oil money, and he feels no honor in being there.

Wrong.

The government is NOT only for that. Haven't you heard of "By the people, from the people, for the people"?

The government's power comes from the people, not in reverse, so it can make their lives easier. That includes Social Security, help to the poor, and free education, between others. If the founders had created a government only to protect the territpry, without giving a damn about the people, they might as well would have chosen a dictatorship.

Did the goverment subsidize edison after he failed bazillions of times to make a lightbulb that worked? No.

"By the people for the people" doesn't mean "Play piglet on the fat goverment tit".

Forget helping the poor, we've spent almost 3 trillion since the late 60's and it's gotten us nowhere. Letem' starve for a while and they'll probably find a job.

Did the goverment subsidize edison after he failed bazillions of times to make a lightbulb that worked? No.

"By the people for the people" doesn't mean "Play piglet on the fat goverment tit".


I agree. And while we're at it we should eliminate corporate welfare. After all if some poor schmo doesn't need a helping hand then why would a corporation that's already rolling in dough?

You cannot have been to Iraq, seen what I have seen, heard the stories from the people there that I have, and not think that we are doing the right thing.

We had evidence captured in afganistan that chemical weapons from Iraq were given to terrorist organiztions. Anyone else remember the video of the gas being tested on that dong that CNN and Fox both aired quite a bit prior to staging troops for the invasion?

The average Iraqi isn't all that much different than the average westerner. They want to work, earn a living, spend time with thier family and be allowed to live. The nut jobs in the insurgency want to make everyone believe as they, and kill all those who don't. These are thier words, not mine.

Blood for oil? Bullshit.

I am a soldier. I've been to Iraq and may have to go again. I know that there are many people who just think that if we leave the extremist alone, they will leave us alone. You would have to ignore September 11 and many other attacks, along with the terrorist groups own words to believe that.

Whoopity doo! One soldier is taking the Republican stance on it. Big deal, they are almost all Republicans anyway.

It's sad that most of you conservative Republicans believe whatever your leadership tells you without question. There was a commission in the house of reps that compiled a list of just under 300 misleading statements made by the Bush Administration leading up to the war, which were made without the backing of any intelligence known at the time. I'll link you to it if youw ant me to. Where's the outrage from the Republicans on this? I'm guessing there isn't any.

I bet you swallowed hook, line, and sinker every word that came out of their mouths. You believed they had WMD's and would argue it until your throat bled when we told you it was all bullshit. I bet you believed that Osama and Saddam were best of pals and were planning more attacks on the US together, and were cheering for your hero Bush to send the troops to fight and die for such a noble cause.

If you were cheering because you thought only about the Iraqi citizens and that other stuff didn't matter, then good for you but don't you care if the President lies to you? Deliberately misleading statements are lies (they were deliberate because they made those statements to push their agenda while not having any intelligence to back said statements up). And if you cared about the Iraqi citizens so much, why don't you scream about the use of Depleted Uranium (since we started using DU ammo in the region, Iraq has become the worlds leader in number of birth defects). If you care about the Iraqi citizens so much, why are you okay with the Bush Administration saying that we'll use Iraq as a magnet to draw terrorists so we can fight them there? Thats some compassion for ya. Yeah let the Iraqis deal with the bombings... at least they aren't on American soil while they blow civilians up up right? :rolleyes:

BTW there ARE soldiers that have been to Iraq that don't see the war as being a good thing or helpful in any way. It's nice to know that some of them can open their eyes and not be blindly nationalistic without reason.


Just keep accepting the evolving reasons for why the war is good and never question your govt (unless they are democrats).

Bush Jr. once said he doesn't believe in using our troops for nationbuilding. what happened? How many times can you take the Bush flip-flops, lies and chimpy smirks before you finally see you are being duped?

Hi, I'm a blindly patriotic Bush suporter who doesn't know a lie when he hears one and sure as shoot can't form their own opinions unless told what it is, which does make me a fascist. The US is the only country to ever do anything bad or wrong throughout the history of man, EVER! I like driving my 1 mile to the gallon SUV to work, which is just down the street from where I live. I love corporations and they should be allowed to do whatever they want, evil intentions or no. I mean, corporations provide 80% of the national revenue, yet they are only 20% of the business. See, we like minorities. As long as those minorities aren't blacks, jews, arabs, or any other ethnic line except white and, of course, they must be Christian. I wish our response after 0.81... was to spend money on alternative resources, such as hybrid cars or solar power, and that money could be going to stem cell research, which has a cure for everything, just around the corner (that'll teach those territoriests). I support the military. I support dissent and protests in our country, just as long as it's not going against what I believe in. After all, what I believe in is right and everyone else is wrong. Except if you agree with me, then you're fine. We need to be more like Europe, I think. Socialism works. After 9/11 we should have told the terrorists to take a time out while we fix poverty and our education system, all of our domestic problems, first. THEN, we could deal with other people's problems. Those of you who are baby killing-anti American-anti military-anti freedom-anti democracy-anti Bush-anti stability-anti caring-Mooreite Liberals should move to France. Or Quebec. Anyway, everything is fine in Iraq and the Middle East, the rest of the world for that matter. WMD's are there somewhere. Osama is sitting on the Persian Gulf coast sipping some tea with an umbrella straw. Maybe some fruit. I don't see how you all don't know that. Jeez, open your eyes. Idiots.

Thats right, I'm a soldier so I've already been brainwashed, right?

I don’t agree with a lot of bush’s policies, mostly on his domestic policy.

So tell me, what is DU used for? I’ve seen this thrown around a lot, but few people seem to know. If your going to try and throw that around, please show me you have at least an idea what you are talking about.

As far as the civilians go, more are better off now than they were. There is more to Iraq than Baghdad, but you wouldn’t know it by watching CNN.

You don't need money to survive. Its possible to live without it, as we did for say, 10,000 years???
money became meaningless when America went off the gold standard.
It is now only an idea.

I agree. And while we're at it we should eliminate corporate welfare. After all in some poor schmo doesn't need a helping hand then why would a corporation that's already rolling in dough?


I agree. Cutting their taxes is enough...