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The War on Degenerates, Deliquents, and Gangs.

Or the War off DDG.

It's a new policy that we should implement.

We can see all these gang-members, and degenrates, randomly beating the **** out of people, raising crime, etc.

We need to declare OPEN Warfare against them.

A new division of the Army, that we'll call the Gestapo, for the sole reason for scaring the **** out of them (if they know what it is. Not likely, but worth a shot.) They'll go around major cities, and have open urban warfare against the gangs.

We'll suffer mininum casulaties, because they're more poorly trained, and worse equipped then the insurgents, so they'll be easy.

Whadya think? If more gang members pop up in protest, shoot em. Eventually, they'll run out...after a while.
When people say how "oh, if we kill 1, two will pop up", they fail to realize that gangs do not have an infinite manpower. They'll eventually run out of manpower, seeing as there will be thousands dead.

Crime is out of control in America.

The police aren't handled to deal it. The police are outnumbered, outgunned, and etc.

Only the new Gestapo/new Branch of Millitary, can deal with it.

It would be very careful. Ambushes on gangs, assassinations, spies, it could also be a workout for our army. We ain't shooting enough stuff.

Of course, we'd try to minimize civilian casulaties. We could do lots of stuff. We see gang membesr running down the street, and when they stop at a light.

MG42s! ALL DIRECTIONS! BURSTING FIRE!!! YAAARGH! COVERING FIRE!!!

Bloody bodies fall everywhere, and no innocent casulaties.

And that's a way to get rid of more gang members.

Or we could have Panzers and Tigers roam the steets. See a few gang membesr loitering? BOOM! Take them out with our shells and cannons. Or maybe what if you see a gangter in a secluded open area, and they'll spot you easier? STUKA DIVE BOMBERS!!!! Drop a 250 kg bomb on their ass, and see how they like it. Also have some soldiers. See a gang member? Blast their asses with a Kar98k, or an MP40, no questions asked.
I mean, is anyone else sick of those punk wannebe people who loiter everywhere? We gotta take them out to. They increase crime, adn thus, if we annhilate them completey with Panzers, Stukas, and etc. we should decrease crime. In the end, this would actually SAVE more lives, as well as help revitalize our economy, because crime costs TAXPAYER money.

Which could be funneled in important things, like Education.

Whadya all think.

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See, if we had the NEW Gestapo, they could have exterminated all of those crap sacks before they did any damage. They'd be totally annhilated, with our MP40s. IMO, the MP40 would be the best weapon to use in this situation. Not a lot of reloading, but controlled fire.
And they'll make great target practice. Just like kids!

It's a great detterrent, to see soldiers scoop up hundreds of annihilated, charred, muitalited, smashed, crushed, and squished bodies of gangsters on the ground. And if more people just join them gangs, we just shoot them. They'll run out of people eventually.

The Blitzkrieg, an amazing strategy, still won't work in this.

For example, just one gang, MS-13, has 100,000+ members in the U.S.A. They're actually more organized then individual criminals, so we can crush them in pockets. With 100,000 less criminals, crime would go down a lot.

And that's not counting any other gangs. With 250,000 less criminals, crime would go down immensely, and this would save us money in the end, because crime costs money.

Also, our brave soldiers, will suffer low casulaties, because most standard hand-guns cannot penetrate the Armor of a Soldier, and especially not that of a Tiger Tank. Gangsters should be considered traitors, and exterminated.

This is urban combat, like Stalingrad. Ass-kicking. And no, the Dirty Commie Pinkos only won, because they Zerg Rushed/Commie Rushed. >_<

Funny.

....

(did you just have the crap beaten out of you by a communist gang?)

And collateral damage? How can you tell a gangster from a random slum dweller?

Whether you are being sarcastic or not: You're a nut case.

And this is why you wouldn't want me as president. I'd do this, but it would be used against anyone who opposes me, not just criminals.

I'd call it the Praetorian Guard in Washington DC, and the Elite Imperial Guard in all other cities.

And collateral damage? How can you tell a gangster from a random slum dweller?

These would also be recruitment sweeps. Slum dwellers would be impressed in to the Guard, where their individuality would be broken and turned in to a ruthless, intelligent, and heartless enforcer of the Imperium.

And collateral damage? How can you tell a gangster from a random slum dweller?

No, silly, random slum dweller=gangster. For god's sake, where were you for social prejudice 101?

:rolleyes:

I will only support what you do, if they are given MG-42s, Panzers, Stukas, Kar98ks, MP40s, Tigers, and gray uniforms. >_<

No, silly, random slum dweller=gangster. For god's sake, where were you for social prejudice 101?

Hey, they provide "volunteers" for the Guard...

And collateral damage? How can you tell a gangster from a random slum dweller?

We won't be going around and all and randomly shooting each other.

We'd be tracking known Gangsters, and then find out the identity of other Gangsters, and root them out.

Actually, going on the US's historical approach, they would probably declare war on gangs by supplying smaller gangs with excessively powerful weapons, and then ten years later being really surprised that those smaller gangs are an even worse problem than the originals.

Hey, they provide "volunteers" for the Guard...

well, a pressganged navy helped build the British Empire. Now I don't know if this is a good or bad idea.

Nah, I'm kidding. This idea is fucking awful.

We won't be going around and all and randomly shooting each other.

We'd be tracking known Gangsters, and then find out the identity of other Gangsters, and root them out.

I have heard of these people. They are the effbeeaye, or something.

well, a pressganged navy helped build the British Empire. Now I don't know if this is a good or bad idea.

Nah, I'm kidding. This idea is fucking awful.

Awful if you're the ones being impressed in to service. Great if you're one of the Proconsuls who live in mansions built on the (new) Capitol Hill. Everyone else, they live with it and are more or less ignored.

Of course, you could join the Guard voluntarily, but I'm not sure why you would.

and while were renacting nazi germany's greatest hits lets send all the "undesireables" to deat...i mean happy camps, and lets all march around and burn Dr. Soose books... and some of you thought the Us sucked to point of absurdity now...

and while were renacting nazi germany's greatest hits lets send all the "undesireables" to deat...i mean happy camps, and lets all march around and burn Dr. Soose books... and some of you thought the Us sucked to point of absurdity now...

Well, we are all aware of the Power of president Serapindal. :rolleyes:

and while were renacting nazi germany's greatest hits lets send all the "undesireables" to deat...i mean happy camps, and lets all march around and burn Dr. Soose books... and some of you thought the Us sucked to point of absurdity now...

Noone's going to be killed except criminals and dissidents against the government...

Oh, and ideological purification is essential to maintaining the order of our Imperium and the continuation of the rule of the Emperor.

O...k. Even I think Vetalia is a little crazy here.

I'm just saying, we need an anti-tank unit, to annihilate the gangs, to destroy crime. What's wrong with that? It's not going to be a run and gun group. They have to infiltrate Gangs, and then destroy them.

Well, we are all aware of the Power of president Serapindal. :rolleyes:

No, Emperor Vetalia XII, ruler for life and protector of the Imperium, defender of ideological purity, father of modern warfare, commander of the Praetorian Guard and the Imperial Army...

and while were renacting nazi germany's greatest hits lets send all the "undesireables" to deat...i mean happy camps, and lets all march around and burn Dr. Soose books... and some of you thought the Us sucked to point of absurdity now...

Actually, more so of Italy's Greatest Hits.

Mussolini absolutely annihilated the Mafia.

The street gangs in America would be far easier to do, so we could annihilate them even WORSE.

I'm just saying, we need an anti-tank unit, to annihilate the gangs...

They have tanks now?

Did they get them wholesale?

They have tanks now?

Did they get them wholesale?

There was that time where some guy hijacked the LAPD tank... :p

They probably bought them at Wal-Mart...Lord knows what's hidden in that store.

rofl, sorry, I made a spelling error.

I meant Anti-Gang Squads.

Why don't we just shoot everybody. All problems solved.

Howabout you just let the Justice system work and throw any gang member that commits a crime into jail for atleast 10+ years with no parole or bail?

It's no secret they laugh at the justice system.

Why don't we just shoot everybodywho wears gang affiliations . All problems solved.

Yup sounds good to me.

You are more serious than you know. Sure, there's no police state, but it's like that in Central America. During their civil wars, families fled north, mainly to LA, and formed gangs. They came back to Central America, and may be a bigger threat to their stability than the wars. The gangs are even coming back to the US. We need to fight them there the same way that US troops are embedded in Colombia to fight druglords.

Exactly what Lotus Puppy said.

Yup sounds good to me.
You sick sick puppy.

So instead of creating a society where kids don't feel the need to join gangs, we're just going to kill them all?




Oh shit, I took you seriously for a second there..

Oh shit, I took you seriously for a second there..
mate are you feeling okay? :p

mate are you feeling okay? :p

I've been up late watching the ashes, losing a lot of sleep.

So instead of creating a society where kids don't feel the need to join gangs, we're just going to kill them all?


Sounds bout right.

I've been up late watching the ashes, losing a lot of sleep.
not good

not good

It is if you're sick of seeing the aussies win all the time :D

Sounds bout right.

Sounds like a population crash to me. And lots of future abuse too. Protestors? Shoot them. Rioters? Shoot them. Shoplifters? Shoot them. Speeders? Shoot them. etc. etc.

It is if you're sick of seeing the aussies win all the time :D
true but... to the poms

Not really. Gangsters are extremely dangerous to the public. Shoplifters, protestors, etc. aren't. Though Rioters are. We can shoot rioters.

The point is, gangs kill innocent people daily, and main, torture, and kill many other people. This I feel, must stop, and I believe is from the fact that most parents today, are absolutely idiotic.

They fail to instill Morals, Values, and a sense of right in wrong in children today. Why do you think these street gangs and what not weren't around in the 1980's, 1970's, 1960's, and 1950's, and 1940's.

Not really. Gangsters are extremely dangerous to the public. Shoplifters, protestors, etc. aren't. Though Rioters are. We can shoot rioters.

Maybe if more research was pumped into KO gas, the cops would be able to use it sooner and more often as a means of stopping rioters. Less chance of collateral damage.


They fail to instill Morals, Values, and a sense of right in wrong in children today. Why do you think these street gangs and what not weren't around in the 1980's, 1970's, 1960's, and 1950's, and 1940's.

1940s didn't have gangs because most able bodied males were being shipped off to release their aggression in other countries AKA draft. 1970s had an even distribution to the marijuana crowd who were commonly associated with making a mess of themselves but generally peaceable.

1960s and the 1950s had the McCarthy commie scare running about, but if I'm not mistaken, you still had your gang problems.

Besides, if I'm not mistaken, the idea of street gangs is a relatively new one crime-wise is it not? I won't make the mistake of pre-emptively blaming any factor that led to its rise, but I don't think it was around before because nobody thought about forming street gangs like that.

Mob rule however, has been around ever since people started living in villages with a population more than 100 I should think.

Maybe if more research was pumped into KO gas, the cops would be able to use it sooner and more often as a means of stopping rioters. Less chance of collateral damage.



1940s didn't have gangs because most able bodied males were being shipped off to release their aggression in other countries AKA draft. 1970s had an even distribution to the marijuana crowd who were commonly associated with making a mess of themselves but generally peaceable.

1960s and the 1950s had the McCarthy commie scare running about, but if I'm not mistaken, you still had your gang problems.

Besides, if I'm not mistaken, the idea of street gangs is a relatively new one crime-wise is it not? I won't make the mistake of pre-emptively blaming any factor that led to its rise, but I don't think it was around before because nobody thought about forming street gangs like that.

Mob rule however, has been around ever since people started living in villages with a population more than 100 I should think.

Or Tasers. Tasers are great.

Yeah, I'm talking mostly about Street Gangs. And Mob Rule? Pssh. It can't stand up against Government Supression. The next time you see a mob, the police should FORCIBLY disperse it, at any means neccesary.

I think somebody needs an X-Box.

The easy way to win the war on (most) gangs.



Legalize drugs.

Or Tasers. Tasers are great.

No. Tasers are lousy for crowd control. You can only hit one target at a time and must focus on that target to keep it incapacitated. Unless you have more police on hand than the crowd has numbers, you won't be able to control them. Gas works because it gets a whole bunch of people with one canister. The only problem is that depending on the winds, it might drift where it's not supposed to. I can't imagine it would be very healthy to the occupants if an agent like that drifted into a hospital.


And Mob Rule? Pssh. It can't stand up against Government Supression. The next time you see a mob, the police should FORCIBLY disperse it, at any means neccesary.

Unless you mean forcibly by shooting them all with heavy weapons, it won't be very pretty. A violent mob AKA Riot can do a lot of damage in a hurry by sheer weight of numbers.

Shooting them will make it even less pretty. Because chances are, those with guns will shoot back, adding to the carnage.

Or Tasers. Tasers are great.

I recommend Phasers (http://www.americanscientist.org/template/AssetDetail/assetid/44522;_kHr3cjK5fW#44720).

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No. Tasers are lousy for crowd control. You can only hit one target at a time and must focus on that target to keep it incapacitated. Unless you have more police on hand than the crowd has numbers, you won't be able to control them. Gas works because it gets a whole bunch of people with one canister. The only problem is that depending on the winds, it might drift where it's not supposed to. I can't imagine it would be very healthy to the occupants if an agent like that drifted into a hospital.



Unless you mean forcibly by shooting them all with heavy weapons, it won't be very pretty. A violent mob AKA Riot can do a lot of damage in a hurry by sheer weight of numbers.

Shooting them will make it even less pretty. Because chances are, those with guns will shoot back, adding to the carnage.


1. Good point. Lots of Teargas.

2. Only if Teargas, and other forms of Dispersing fail, then yes, forcibly shooting them with Heavy Weapons may be the only choice, if they are becoming violent.

And our soldiers have bullet-proof kevlar that protects against simple Hand-Gun rounds...an AK-47...eer...probably not, but then again, I think violent dispersing should be the last option.

3. However, for gangs, we know that violent dispersing is the only option, and if we don't get them right there, they'll fight another day. No Gangster escapes. MG-42>>>Handguns. Nuff said We want to strike fear into the heart of all Street Gangs, while they're being massaced by the tens of thousands over a time.

The easy way to win the war on (most) gangs.



Legalize drugs.

You can't bend over to Street Gangs. What message does it put out?

"OH, the government is weak, the gangs can beat it, lets all revolt."

We need to give out an unfaltering and consistent display of authority.

bump

3. However, for gangs, we know that violent dispersing is the only option, and if we don't get them right there, they'll fight another day. No Gangster escapes. MG-42>>>Handguns. Nuff said We want to strike fear into the heart of all Street Gangs, while they're being massaced by the tens of thousands over a time.

Using SAWs and full sized machineguns on crowds? Even worse. You'll just end up with a lot of dead people, many who were probably just bystanders. And don't try and say that there wouldn't be any bystanders. There are always a few, sometimes in greater numbers than the gangs themselves. Unless an actual firefight broke out, they wouldn't be running away.

1. Good point. Lots of Teargas.

2. Only if Teargas, and other forms of Dispersing fail, then yes, forcibly shooting them with Heavy Weapons may be the only choice, if they are becoming violent.

And our soldiers have bullet-proof kevlar that protects against simple Hand-Gun rounds...an AK-47...eer...probably not, but then again, I think violent dispersing should be the last option.

3. However, for gangs, we know that violent dispersing is the only option, and if we don't get them right there, they'll fight another day. No Gangster escapes. MG-42>>>Handguns. Nuff said We want to strike fear into the heart of all Street Gangs, while they're being massaced by the tens of thousands over a time.
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Using SAWs and full sized machineguns on crowds? Even worse. You'll just end up with a lot of dead people, many who were probably just bystanders. And don't try and say that there wouldn't be any bystanders. There are always a few, sometimes in greater numbers than the gangs themselves. Unless an actual firefight broke out, they wouldn't be running away.

We ain' going to randomly fire it in crowds.

We've gotta track individual gang members, and track them until where they meet with tons of other gang members. When we know they're all gang members, we yes, spray full-sized Machine Guns into them.

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Anyways, this could end drugs in America.

Plus, we could declare war on Drug Lords. Just shell where you think they're holed up, and then roll in the Panzers.

And I'm sure there's an accursed Chaos cult in those slums somewhere, too. Cleanse, Purge, Kill!

:rolleyes:

And I'm sure there's an accursed Chaos cult in those slums somewhere, too. Cleanse, Purge, Kill!

:rolleyes:

That's actually a pretty good slogan.

Though "Cleanse, Purge, Exterminate! sounds catchier in my opinion.

i like your idea

Though the Cleanse, Purge, and Exterminate thing is mostly to scare some gang members into surrendering.

They will be treated just like anyone else, and if captured alive (the key word is IF), they will be given a trial.