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Seriously, not jokes.

Where does come from all this hate to your former ally?

I am completely :confused: .

I am also :confused: in this question.

Hey, you're fast! :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:

because the French are mean to just about.....everyone

FRANCE ROCKS! (and so on...)

Deploys anti-france bashing sheild. Prepares the red phone to the mods.


(LOL, excellant I used this nation. ;) )

I just wanna know where does come from that hate for the people who helped you to be independent.

Those who gave you the central states like Lousiana, and that zone.

The french are RUDE to everone. But, its just become a running gag between us and them this hatred.

FRANCE has Billion dollar satalites in space right now looking for new countries to SURENDER too. :D

Ok I am evil. Shoot me. :sniper:

Everything was just fine and dandy until France spoke out against the Iraq war in 2003. It is remarkable to think how good relations were beforehand, with the French and the US fighting alongside each other against Iraq in 1991 and Serbia in 1999.

And then one little act of independent thought ruined it all.

Somebody has a reason to make me not to see the americans as free bashers?

Everything was just fine and dandy until France spoke out against the Iraq war in 2003. It is remarkable to think how good relations were beforehand, with the French and the US fighting alongside each other against Iraq in 1991 and Serbia in 1999.

And then one little act of independent thought ruined it all.

Thank you.

I like the French, they have 35-hour working weeks. They have their priorites right.

Although DISAGREEING with the President of the US is just evil, and if he chooses to invade them after Iraq he will be perfectly justified.

I have never had anything against France. I can see why some would be resentful, but I don't agree with it.

Everything was just fine and dandy until France spoke out against the Iraq war in 2003. It is remarkable to think how good relations were beforehand, with the French and the US fighting alongside each other against Iraq in 1991 and Serbia in 1999.

And then one little act of independent thought ruined it all.

I was always baffled by the way the USA started bashing france for not joining in the Iraq war, but left all other nations that were giving them the finger as well alone...

I was always baffled by the way the USA started bashing france for not joining in the Iraq war, but left all other nations that were giving them the finger as well alone...
Actually, initially they bashed Germany as well, but they were less of a target because they had no veto. Plus it didn't really catch on with the American people for some reason.

I was always baffled by the way the USA started bashing france for not joining in the Iraq war, but left all other nations that were giving them the finger as well alone...

That's why I started this thread. How can the americans bash in this way an ally, but don't say anything about, for example Germany or Russia; which are not so allied but against war anyways.

i doubt that many americans are really mad at france still. they are our oldest ally in the world.

dont take the rantings of a few NS trolls too seriously.

i doubt that many americans are really mad at france still. they are our oldest ally in the world.

dont take the rantings of a few NS trolls too seriously.

I don't do, but the Armstrong affaire made me think, also his replying. And the change of the name of the potatoes... So I thought that it was a bit over some NS trolls...

I'm English and as such I have a built in hatred towards France. We've been at each other's throats for just under a millenium, so it's kind of instinctive.

I'm an American, and I think France is great. They're our oldest allies, and without their help during the war for Independence, we might still be under British rule. A lot of people seem to hate the French because they try to stay out of major conflicts, but so do most other countries. As for rudeness, well, I visited France a few years back and they were some of the nicest people I've met.

I'm English and as such I have a built in hatred towards France. We've been at each other's throats for just under a millenium, so it's kind of instinctive.
Ditto us Scots and the English :p

I'm English and as such I have a built in hatred towards France. We've been at each other's throats for just under a millenium, so it's kind of instinctive.

Look, Spain is historical enemy of France, too.

But most of us believe in something called European Union.

I wonder why.

I'm English and as such I have a built in hatred towards France. We've been at each other's throats for just under a millenium, so it's kind of instinctive.

It's NOT instinct!

Instinct in inbuilt from when your a fetus, things like the need to eat, sleep, breath, defend your life and pro create.

Those in England that hate the French are just ignorant of history, narrow minded and stupid enough to have their minds warped by various other anti French elements who use people's bigotry for their own agenda's.

Im English yet I have RARELY come across anyone with anti French views.

The French are way ahead in working conditions and healthcare/social services so I have no idea where the bigots get their idea that England comes out on top of the French or any other nation for that matter.

Well, I am french and i think the reason why US hate France is that... we hate them too! this is jealousy, and just a different way to see things; being very far, the contacts are rare. we dont know each other well, and the stereotypes we have are appaling.
many French people hate America as a lifestyle: they'd never go to a Mc Donalds or dare to laugh at a stupid US movie, though they adore Woody Allens and so on... snob people for some of them ;)
and i like america, but please, stop voting for B***

It's because the french just suck at everything.

And they eat snails. Who picked up a slimy little thing with a shell and said, "I think I'll eat it!"? They must have been smoking something.


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The Armed Republic Of Cruel Tyrany

Look, Spain is historical enemy of France, too.

But most of us believe in something called European Union.

I wonder why.

I never said anything about the EU or Spain. It's just that England has had many wars with France (and almost everyone else), and there is a rivalry between the two nations. The feeling is reiterated in France too. I should know cause I've visited quite a few times.

I am French and I am quite content that France would have remained apart from the Iraqi conflict... it is necessary to see what a is the American situation in the world today! France and the USA which are hated in the world which is caught for strongest... :sniper:

It's because the french just suck at everything.

And they eat snails. Who picked up a slimy little thing with a shell and said, "I think I'll eat it!"? They must have been smoking something.


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The Armed Republic Of Cruel Tyrany
Well, its funny that this way of thinking is a recent phenomenon which can be dated to 2002/2003. I am guessing, from your lack of historical perspective, that you are still in junior high.

I'm English and as such I have a built in hatred towards France. We've been at each other's throats for just under a millenium, so it's kind of instinctive.

I'm a New Zealander but have partly inherited this from my English parents. However I just take it as a joke. I think it's ridiculous when people take this kind of historical rivalry seriously. Although the French did commit an act of terrorism against the Rainbow Warrior here in NZ, then bullied us into sending the bombers back to France were they were quickly released...

Don't forget the Americans inhereted a lot of the English attitude, we've been compeating with France, in peace and war, for nearly 1000 years, it's fostered a lot of racism.

Originally Posted by Cruel tyrany
It's because the french just suck at everything.

And they eat snails. Who picked up a slimy little thing with a shell and said, "I think I'll eat it!"? They must have been smoking something.


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The Armed Republic Of Cruel Tyrany.

it is a typical weak reasoning of uncultivated basic American :headbang:

I'm a New Zealander but have partly inherited this from my English parents. However I just take it as a joke. I think it's ridiculous when people take this kind of historical rivalry seriously.

Thank you. Some people here seem to have taken my comments WAY too seriously.

Well, I am french and i think the reason why US hate France is that... we hate them too! this is jealousy, and just a different way to see things; being very far, the contacts are rare. we dont know each other well, and the stereotypes we have are appaling.
many French people hate America as a lifestyle: they'd never go to a Mc Donalds or dare to laugh at a stupid US movie, though they adore Woody Allens and so on... snob people for some of them ;)
and i like america, but please, stop voting for B***

Well, that's not exclusive of France...

it is a typical weak reasoning of uncultivated basic American :headbang:

I could make some enemies now by asking if there are any cultivated Americans. But I think I'll rather not... ;)

Well, that's not exclusive of France...

that's true :D but since we have a strong history of US-hating (tx, general De gaulle...) plus many people view france as culturally superior... when you add all this, you may get something snobbish and vain :rolleyes:
as for the snails, well i dont like it, i prefer frogs :p

Have any of you bashers even visited France? If so, I don't know where you went, but I stayed in Alsace during autumn. It's absolutely beautiful, and very peaceful. Vineyards, wine harvests, festivals. There are mountain meadows, ancient forests, and great hiking trails. You have the museums of Mulhouse, medieval villages and 18th century towns, chateaus, and of course the Maginot Line of WWII. The people were so friendly to visitors too, it was a totally unique experience.

P.S. The wine there is the best I've ever tasted. ;)

Yeah, don't kill my thread.

Let's keep discusing.

France and England have fought for centuries. France was the main enemy of Spain, first while they were a kingdom and they took what today are the spanish Navarra and Cataluña; second, for our fights in Italy; third, for our succesion war: French bourbons vs. Austrian habsbourgs; fourth, for their napoleonic invasion; fifth, for their way to talk to us in the post-franquism; sixth, for their farmers knocking all our fruits over in the border with the connivency of the french policemen, while our farmers threw away the vegetables in some "Carrefour" malls.

And, after all, we are allies.

So that's why I couldn't see the point in the US-France rivalry...

Many Frogs are arrogant and egotistic to the point of racism… but so are many Americans, and Englishmen!
I like France, but they can be somewhat arrogant, like when a friend of mine was laughed at because he said he spoke English.

I don't see why the Americans dislike them, though.

Hey, you're fast! :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:
Hell yeah I am!

I like the French, they have 35-hour working weeks. They have their priorites right.

Although DISAGREEING with the President of the US is just evil, and if he chooses to invade them after Iraq he will be perfectly justified.
I hope you´re joking about that last part...

Hell yeah I am!


I hope you´re joking about that last part...

Sorry, I sometimes forget that there are people who would say that kind of thing and actually mean it...

As an Irish person the first thing my French teacher taught us so if we were ever in France and had to ask someone if they spoke english was:

Je suis Irlandais
Parlez vous anglais

He said if you left out the first part they wouldn't talk to you.

The funny thing is it's worked like a dream, they love us!
But if they hear you speaking english and you don't let them know.... Yipes!


The reason the French are hated in America is because they proved an obstacle to America's oil-thirsty ambitions until America decided it didn't think international laws were worth wiping its arse on.

People don' t like France usually, so with the refuxsal to assist america, it became more obvious.
I have to admit I can figure out why a country that get beaten in two wars and whose best troops are foriegners are on the security council. Piut Australia on it. 40% of the woprld's Uranium, german and VC veterans are still scared of Australian troops, and the SAS make Delta Force look like pansies.

Young French men have the potential to be incredibly sexy. They also tend to carry their arrogance in a more appealing way than Americans, too.

I'm sick of the moronic France bashing. If it wasn't for France's help in the Revloutionary war... THERE WOULDN'T BE A FREAKING UNITED STATES!!!

I think the leaders don't like France because their government is part Socialist. Same why that idiot religious ass hates the leader of in Venesulua. Him and his government doesn't kiss Corperations asses.

I know little about the history of France, I know little about the people. As an American I've heard the jokes and all that but really I can't say anything because I've never seen/been in France.

However, I have heard stories of Americans who go there and are spit on for being Americans. That and when the WWII memorial was defiled by French protestors who opposed the War in Iraq.

To hate an entire nation for the action of a few is the kind of ignorance that makes me ashamed to be human. I cannot nor do I want to hate France.

because the French are mean to just about.....everyone

I always wonder where the 'mean' French are. I've been there maybe 6-7 times and travelled all over the country and I have yet to find anyone who is mean, impolite, nasty, etc. But I have the same reaction to Germany, Mexico, Canada, and any of the dozens of other countries I've been to.

Dare I say, the 'meanness' of the French is probably in the eye of the beholder. Anyway, any country that can create such superior cheeses, wines, etc. must be one of the sacred places on this planet. :)

any country that can create such superior cheeses, wines, etc. must be one of the sacred places on this planet. :)

Yes we all love Italy don't we...better food but without the hype. :)

When I think "arrogant Frenchman" I see a snooty looking, well dressed fellow with a cigarette and three-day stubble.

When I think "arrogant American" I see a fat man dressed like that guy from "Dallas" and a used-car-salesman smile.

When I think "arrogant Englishman" I see a cross between Monty Python's Flying Circus, Winston Churchill, and The Sex Pistols.

And when I think "arrogant Canadian"...I'm probably looking in the mirror, anyway.

I don't hate France.

I sort of pity them.

In my experience there isn't a nation out there with more puffed up self-importance for less reason than France.

They seem to think that their cultural richness (which no one will argue) gives them some sort of mythical intellectual, creative and moral superiority. When, in fact, to people with different values (like America) it just makes them look like well dressed, well manicured buffoons.

I think the real difference is that America, for better or worse, is defined more by its lower classes (pioneers, cowboys, working stiffs) and France defines itself by its "high class". In that sort of situation, BOTH countries have contempt for the other.


Oh... and for those bringing up the revolution...

France wouldn't have a country if it weren't for the Americans and the Allies. Twice.

Not to mention the fact that the French Revolution might never have happened if ours hadn't been successful.

Actually, initially they bashed Germany as well, but they were less of a target because they had no veto. Plus it didn't really catch on with the American people for some reason.

We don't bash Germany beacause their name has to many syllables j/k

Hey, France helped secure America's independence. The Statue of Liberty looks nice also.

Here's a god reason, but you have to go back a few decades.

There are graves of american soldiers in many countries in Europe, but how many are there in france? None.

One of the things that americans asked for after WWII is permission to bury our fallen in the country that they fought for and died in. Many of those brave men who died during the D-Day invasion where buried in france, and less than a decade later those graves where descrated. Vandalism and graffitti reading "Take your trash home" and "Stop polluting our soil" wrote on the tombs.

I remember those who went before me, and it will take at least another 50 years before such a blatnent slap in the face can be forgiven.

Seriously, not jokes.

Where does come from all this hate to your former ally?

I am completely :confused: .

I imagine thate hate is rooted in teh fact that Chirac is a Degaulist and as such pits himself against America as he tries to make France the power which pushes against the only super power.. this coupled with the fact that France no longer enjoys the sway or prominence it once did and is effectivly an antiquted power.

This is no more evident then its complete failure with the EU... as it pushes so hard for further intergration and it fails to pass the EU constitution it so desperatly wanted.