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it seems to me that rock music is going downhill. Sure theres a lot of good bands out there but the greats are long past there prime as it seems like audiences are moving to more alternitive or less progressive styles orf rock and less and less and les fans care about the old stuff or even the semi olxd stufff. ive heard people telling me that Nirvana is old . helll even if it was old what difference does it make great music is still great music no matter when it came out, look at classical music lots of people still listen to bach and im no music historian but im pretty sure thats older than nirvana. now a days it seems like its less about the music and the lifestyle and more about money or spread some dumb message that no one cares about. Im not saying theres no good bands out theses days but im saying theres far less bands who have ionfluence on society or history. like zepplienpeople remember tham and still listen to them all theses years im just wondering where the hell did the music go?

Bob Mould. Listen to his stuff, and you'll change your mind.

i wish i knew

the increasing commerciality of the whole music business must be a pretty big element. blame MTV!

The music went local. The good stuff, anyway. Radio is just a payola wankfest, and has been for most of the last fifty years...

its too controlled by non-musicians. some guy in a suit decides who is going to get the next record contract and whose CD is going to be played on the radio. they are so bereft of taste that they only look for the next band who plays like the last popular band.

and because a band or singer has to look good on video. its kinda rough to find great singers/songwriters who are also decorative. it really limits the field. so they opt for good looking bands who are OK musicians since they can make them sound better than they are in the studio.

i wish i knew

the increasing commerciality of the whole music business must be a pretty big element. blame MTV!

well mtv is a big part of the reason you have people who know nothing about rock in the system they listen to the stuff that everyone says is popular when it really is garbage, and thats part of the reason and the radio is tooo as was mention beffore it just sucks that the world we live in the crushing music

im just wondering where the hell did the music go?

It went underground.

www.stonerrock.com

Good music is still there, you just have to look a little harder for it.

it shouldnt have to be underground

http://www.heavymetal.be/ :cool:

There's something amusing abouth the jutapsotion of 'rock' and 'underground'...maybe I've just been doing too much potholing...

it shouldnt have to be underground

Why not? It's perfect; artists can express themselves without commercial interference...

Whether 10,000 people know a song, or 1,000,000 do, is irrespective of its actual quality. :)

I had some little greenday shit tell me that marilyn manson was old :rolleyes:

My personal opinion is that all the good music is disappearing because the majority of the audience doesn't want to know about it. They're all intoxicated by the mindless pap that is served up by the mass media, and don't care about the history of the music.

Case in point: A friend of mine told me about the time he was in a used CD store, and this 16-year-old kid comes in. He goes up to the counter and asked "I've heard of this new band that has some interesting music. What can you tell me about the Doors?"

If I'd been the store manager, I'd have thrown this kid out.

i have no problem wether it is underground or not it just that when it is underground it wont get the fans who lets say arent part of the underground scene which most of the time is posers but music should be able to be enjoyed by all not just the people in the underground . and i mean look back like 30 years ago where there where unsigned bands looking to strike it big bands who where underground, but then you had great bands on the larger scene why cant it be like that again i mean in a way it still is but the big scene is crap due to commercialism and such but music shouldnt be effected by that its music not money

I had some little greenday shit tell me that marilyn manson was old :rolleyes:

Ha...Isn't Green Day older?

i wish i knew

the increasing commerciality of the whole music business must be a pretty big element. blame MTV!

DIY not EMI!

Blaming MTV is a good place to start, and there is good music out there, but it's not on the radio and is very hard to find. The music industry(and radio) cares nothing about music and cares way too much about image and money. Most record companies just want to make a quick buck, and if you don't 'hit' on your first try you're abandoned. No company is willing to take the time to allow bands to develop the craft of writing songs, or to become accomplished players for that matter. Record companies would rather use drum machines and samples, and pump a bunch of tripe out for teenyboppers than actually take the time to find talented players and writers. The quick buck is where it's at these days.

its sad when people know so little about music that they assume they know what they are talking about those eopel are the kind of people who leech to the sellout bands

DIY not EMI!

There's an unlimited supply
And there is no reason why
I tell you it was all a frame
They only did it 'cos of fame
Who?

EMI.

then when artists try to change thre image a little near the beging they are dropped by thtere labels it wasnt like that 20 years ago

Ha...Isn't Green Day older?

when did greenday sign? cuz I know marilyn signed in 1993

im pretty sure greenday is older but they are turning into sellouts and im sure the person who said that mansoin was old has only listen to greendays new stuff and never even heard about dookie.

Hear the sound of music
Drifting in the aisles
Elevator prozac
Stretching on for miles

The music of the future
Will not entertain
It's only meant to repress
And neutralize your brain

Soul gets squeezed out
Edges get blunt
Demographic
Gives what you want

Now the sound of music
Comes in silver pills
Engineered to suit you
Building cheaper thrills

The music of rebellion
Makes you wanna rage
But it's made by millionaires
Who are nearly twice your age

One of the wonders of the world is going down
It's going down I know
It's one of the blunders of the world that no-one cares
No-one cares enough

The Sound of Muzak, by Porcupine Tree (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00006IU73/qid=1125239807/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/102-1202427-1186561?v=glance&s=music). There's still plenty of wonderful music, you just have to dig below the filth and scum at the surface.

i have no problem wether it is underground or not it just that when it is underground it wont get the fans who lets say arent part of the underground scene which most of the time is posers but music should be able to be enjoyed by all not just the people in the underground. and i mean look back like 30 years ago where there where unsigned bands looking to strike it big bands who where underground, but then you had great bands on the larger scene why cant it be like that again i mean in a way it still is but the big scene is crap due to commercialism and such but music shouldnt be effected by that its music not money


Well, underground music can be enjoyed by all. That website has MP3's on it, and records for sale.

And as for your other point...well...it has been like that. In the 90's, underground bands exploded through and became massive overnight. Nirvana, Soundgarden, etc...the trouble is that bands looking to seize on this success became commercial and music turned bland. It's not unusual. It's how music works...it's what happened in the 70's and caused punk to explode, and the 90's with grunge. It'll happen again within a few years, is my guess. For the moment though, i'm more or less happy with it the way it is.

im pretty sure greenday is older but they are turning into sellouts and im sure the person who said that mansoin was old has only listen to greendays new stuff and never even heard about dookie.

indeed he's one of those simple plan,good charlotte types who's never heard brain stew

of course tehres still good music i mean you can listen to older good stuff for that but im saying that the industry will eventually destory rock and the image it will be portrayed as will be crfap and there will be nothing left if it exsept in the underground and i know no one wants that it will be the ultimate regression
i bet cliff burton would be rolling in his grave

Why not? It's perfect; artists can express themselves without commercial interference...

Whether 10,000 people know a song, or 1,000,000 do, is irrespective of its actual quality. :)
true, but it makes the music harder to find :(

Case in point: A friend of mine told me about the time he was in a used CD store, and this 16-year-old kid comes in. He goes up to the counter and asked "I've heard of this new band that has some interesting music. What can you tell me about the Doors?"

heh reminds me of when i went into this rock tshirt shop in town; just browsing through the shirts, Wasted Years by iron maiden came on the store's hi-fi. i named it immediatley and one of the dudes working there turned to me and was like 'thank god somebody knows maiden! all these fuckin kids come in asking for manson or blink 182 or whatever bullshit, and they never know about the good old bands!"
man he was mad... i think he'd had enough of exactly what we're talking about here - a whole generation of music fans being spoonfed crap by the media, and the real music has to go underground or into cult, niche markets

Well, underground music can be enjoyed by all. That website has MP3's on it, and records for sale.

And as for your other point...well...it has been like that. In the 90's, underground bands exploded through and became massive overnight. Nirvana, Soundgarden, etc...the trouble is that bare you telling me nirvana got bland cuzands looking to seize on this success became commercial and music turned bland. It's not unusual. It's how music works...it's what happened in the 70's and caused punk to explode, and the 90's with grunge. It'll happen again within a few years, is my guess. For the moment though, i'm more or less happy with it the way it is.

are you telling me nirvana got bland? if so then i reccomend listen to something other than one of thre singles maybe by there new box set and soundgarden was together for a really long time 19 years i think and i mean the lead singer is still in audislave so i eamn its not like you can blame bands who are together for so long for there sound to get old because you have poser bands trrunning off of them and trying to copy there sounds and they ruin it and thats basiaclally what is happening to rock

if good rock goes underground what will happen to the good music that cant fend for itself like nirvana or zepplien or madein they will fade into obscurity more and more over the years and only the truly die hard fans will be able to hear them but what of the next generation of people who might not be brainwashed oif they heard an acaul solo by hendrix or something

of course tehres still good music i mean you can listen to older good stuff for that but im saying that the industry will eventually destory rock and the image it will be portrayed as will be crfap and there will be nothing left if it exsept in the underground and i know no one wants that it will be the ultimate regression
i bet cliff burton would be rolling in his grave

That's how it is already, at least for the most part. 99% of the crap people listen to on the radio is absolute trash, excluding a few bands. Rock and metal have been commercialized and the music industry has raped them so much that they're just empty shells of what they used to be. You need to venture into the underground and sail to foreign shores if you're seeking out good music nowadays. That, or just search on the internet and join Soulseek (http://www.slsknet.org/). ;)

^ Nirvana was my fav band.

Rock music has mixed with alternative, thats what happening.

I like all sorts of rock and metal some industrial,old school,goth and black metal but my favorite old school band is either slayer or black sabbath

when did greenday sign? cuz I know marilyn signed in 1993

Before that....Dookie was '94, and I know they had albums before that.

Before that....Dookie was '94, and I know they had albums before that.

Some album (I've forgotten the name), and Kerplunk.

if it all goes underground we have lost and it may stay that way for a long lonng time until the industry changes if we stay out of the mainstream then there will be less and less fans for true rock and then what will happen is that there wont be a rock movenment in 50 years when we are all to old to do anyhting about it there will be like 5 good bands being drowned in a sea of losers

Before that....Dookie was '94, and I know they had albums before that.
1989, apparently

Livermore, who also ran the Berkeley independent label Lookout! Records, immediately offered Sweet Children a deal, and in early 1989 they recorded their first EP, 1,000 Hours, and then decided, weeks before the EP release, to change their name to Green Day

During 1991, the band toured and played locally, building up a large fan following, and also wrote and recorded their second album, Kerplunk!, which was released on Lookout Records in January 1992.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenday

almost total lack of talent - and a wierd new mentality that if you can sing you can call yourself a "musician" - pitiful.

are you telling me nirvana got bland? if so then i reccomend listen to something other than one of thre singles maybe by there new box set and soundgarden was together for a really long time 19 years i think and i mean the lead singer is still in audislave so i eamn its not like you can blame bands who are together for so long for there sound to get old because you have poser bands trrunning off of them and trying to copy there sounds and they ruin it and thats basiaclally what is happening to rock

LOL, dude...

I'm a huge Nirvana fan. And a big Soundgarden fan - I own almost everything both bands have released. (Excluding singles. I mean, as much as i'd love the Love Buzz 7" by Nirvana, i couldn't afford it. ;)

I'm just saying that the bands that wanted to be Nirvana in the late 90's mostly sucked- which you said. It seems we agree.

we need a few more bands like sabbath and a few less like green day in mky opinion

Listen to Muse. (http://www.muse.mu)

They are great.

we need a few more bands like sabbath and a few less like green day in mky opinion

if bands like sabbath go mainstream there artistic message will get raped by those fuckers that follow the latest fad and the music would lose it's soul

we need a few more bands like sabbath and a few less like green day in mky opinion

I agree. "American Idiot" made me a sad, sad music fan. But then, I get pissed off at excessive amounts of "social commentary" in music, and that's all that album was. Utter crap.

There's definitely good music out there, though. There's lots of awesome metal and prog rock going around Europe. My current most-listened-to band is Moonsorrow, a Viking/Black Metal outfit from Finland.

I'm just saying that the bands that wanted to be Nirvana in the late 90's mostly sucked- which you said. It seems we agree.
one of the many reasons i love Pantera so much... as Phil rants (live in Seoul)

when we wrote this this next motherfucking song everybody was trying to sound like fucking Nirvana... everybody was trying to suck up to em.... and this is the type of shit we were writing. this is one called Use My Third fucking Arm... alright...

*plays this song* (http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/UMTA%20mp3.mp3)

http://www.ironmaiden.org/images/smilies/devilfinger.gif

one of the many reasons i love Pantera so much... as Phil rants (live in Seoul)



*plays this song* (http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/UMTA%20mp3.mp3)

http://www.ironmaiden.org/images/smilies/devilfinger.gif

Pantera rock! \m/ :cool:

The first wave of grunge bands were awesome...but the bands that were influenced by it got progressively blander...ending up with shit like Creed.

almost total lack of talent - and a wierd new mentality that if you can sing you can call yourself a "musician" - pitiful.
"Artiste", surely... :rolleyes:

*edit: when I hear female singers doing songs that amount to two minutes of vocal noodling, it just makes me grit my teeth and think, "pick a frickin' note!"

Rock music needs more rock in it.

Rock music needs more rock in it.
And more excess, particularly excess testosterone and recreational drug use.

There is a lot of crap out there, but there's still a lot of good music/musicians out there too.

I do have a broad range of music tastes which I guess helps a little. There's still a lot of really piss poor music out there.


Also, check out Nine Black Alps, kinda got a bit of a Nirvana thing going on, but they're very very good, and quite reminicent of Nirvana live as well

Whatever happened to Chuck Berry and Jerry Lee Lewis Oops, almost forgot Buddy Holly, Carl Perkins, Eddie Cochran, and Elvis Presely?

What happened to the Beach Boys and Jan & Dean and all them? What about the Beatles, the Who, and the Rolling Stones?


Music died in 1980, IMHO.

Ugh, this thread is depressing because it's so true... I can't stand the vast majority of mainstream music. Luckily I have found a small but sound shelter from it all in the form of heavy metal - more precisely, progressive metal and power metal, mostly. Oh, and also some older rock, like Jimi Hendrix and Pink Floyd, and of course classical music. That's all I need to survive in this world of music-lear holocaust...

Whatever happened to Chuck Berry and Jerry Lee Lewis Oops, almost forgot Buddy Holly, Carl Perkins, Eddie Cochran, and Elvis Presely?

What happened to the Beach Boys and Jan & Dean and all them? What about the Beatles, the Who, and the Rolling Stones?


Music died in 1980, IMHO.
Uuuuuh, the Rolling Stones are still selling out. They released a new album. Unless you don't count that because of the politics? Half of the Beatles are dead now, so it's not like they can come back. But I agree, rock is being taken over by retard bands and the essence that it once was is now being replaced with a more stupid version, with the philosophy that more distorted guitar and fast, double bass drum pedaling is better than well thought out lyrics and melodies--what rock used to be.

Rock is dead they say,
LONG LIVE ROCK!

if it all goes underground we have lost and it may stay that way for a long lonng time until the industry changes if we stay out of the mainstream then there will be less and less fans for true rock and then what will happen is that there wont be a rock movenment in 50 years when we are all to old to do anyhting about it there will be like 5 good bands being drowned in a sea of losers

dude, periods.

Some album (I've forgotten the name), and Kerplunk.

It's 1039/Smoothed out Slappy Hours, despite what reputable online encyclopedia sites may have you believe.

Uuuuuh, the Rolling Stones are still selling out. They released a new album. Unless you don't count that because of the politics? Half of the Beatles are dead now, so it's not like they can come back. But I agree, rock is being taken over by retard bands and the essence that it once was is now being replaced with a more stupid version, with the philosophy that more distorted guitar and fast, double bass drum pedaling is better than well thought out lyrics and melodies--what rock used to be.

Rock is dead they say,
LONG LIVE ROCK!

I hate 'emo'. What a mess of watered down crap marketed to twelve year old pre-pubescent females. However, if you really listen to the lyrics of the 'old fashioned' songs, they're not much better than today's lyrics. And political music has been around forever. Bob Dylan and the Beatles jump to my mind, so I don't use that as a single factor for determining whether music is good or not (not for you so much as for other posts I'm too lazy to quote).

basically.. rock is gone because its split up into lots of smaller genres (most of which are horrible)

theres your emo.. the big one... yellowcard, simple plan... stuff like that... and.. then you got.. stuff i still refer to as rock like puddle of mudd, staind, creed and bands like that... then there is the pop punk area... even though punk is in the name, it is not punk. this is emo'd out pop/rock stuff. they just say their punk to get some attention... the rest of rock joined with punk and metal to create a great array of genres...theres heavy metal and punk rock... heavy metal which is very much heavier than heavy metal 20 years ago (sabbath is NOT heavy.).. punk rock is a little different. some of punk has been very rocked out, creating normal punk and more rock based punk stuff (like those loser sellouts green day.. in fact, dont even call them punk. theyre like, poprock...)... and the big huge unbrella genre formed with punk and rock is hardcore. hardcore which includes anything from throwdown to verse to minor threat (hardcore punk actually) is huge... there are lots of smaller genres.. like.. emocore.. underoath is a good example. theyre emo bands, but they scream a lot. emocore is getting pretty popular, underoath is pretty big right now... theres metalcore, which is hardcore with a very metallish twist. killswitch engage, heavenshallburn, and as i lay dying are good examples... theres your straight edge hardcore stuff, champion, betrayed, casey jones which are are hardcore bands but have much more of a punk edge to them... then theres your crazy stuff like grindcore, death grind, and stuff like that. the only grindcore band i am really into is cattle decapitation... anyway, there are tons of bands that are in a way hardcore. hardcore is a huge umbrella genre. its hard to image just how many -core genres and bands there are...

im pretty sure greenday is older but they are turning into sellouts and im sure the person who said that mansoin was old has only listen to greendays new stuff and never even heard about dookie.

I've never been a Green Day fan, but I do know this: when I was in high school, they just put out Dookie, and we called the people that listened to it posers. GD had (I think) 2 albums before that. In my mind, Dookie has always been their new stuff.

But, I figure, the kids have to learn about the music. And it's the job of elder music fans to teach them. How else could they learn?

Well, greenday, imho, is the best of anything around now. Or billy talent.

While ACDC is still touring, they don't really matter, seeing as they kinda, ya'know, have twenty songs that sound really quite the same (coming from a fan)

The doors are now riders on the storm, although I wouldn't expect new material.

Hmm. I dunno. Ill check out that site you (someone) gave earlier

basically.. rock is gone because its split up into lots of smaller genres (most of which are horrible)

theres your emo.. the big one... yellowcard, simple plan... stuff like that...

-snip-

Yellowcard and Simple Plan are not emo. Emo (which is emotionally-charged hardcore punk) was a rather unsucessful music movement in the late 80's and early 90's. Also, emocore isn't just emo with more screaming; it's quicker, heavier emo with more of the hardcore feel.

basically.. rock is gone because its split up into lots of smaller genres (most of which are horrible)

theres your emo...stuff i still refer to as rock...then there is the pop punk area...theres heavy metal...punk rock...normal punk...rock based punk stuff hardcore...emocore...metalcore...straight edge hardcore stuff...grindcore...death grind...and stuff like that.

I think rock died when people who listen to music started splitting rock up into a bunch of meaningless genres in order to identify with one style over another.

But that's just my opinion...

(sabbath is NOT heavy.)

Pfft, go listen to Master of Reality.

Pfft, go listen to Master of Reality.
Quite.

of course tehres still good music i mean you can listen to older good stuff for that but im saying that the industry will eventually destory rock and the image it will be portrayed as will be crfap and there will be nothing left if it exsept in the underground and i know no one wants that it will be the ultimate regression
i bet cliff burton would be rolling in his grave

i don't normally get upset about spelling or typological errors. however, your messages are nearly illegible. i suggest you slow down just a tad.

.....but how do you define "good" rock music? this is an impossible task! i may guess that you're in the 17-20 age range. what you're noticing is not that mainstream rock music has gone down hill (except for a few brief moments in the early 90's and the late 60's it has always sucked) but that you've grown out of what you grew up listening to.

i can't help but doubt that if 'the downward spiral' came out tommorrow i'd buy it. i probably wouldn't, nor would i be particularly interested. however, i was thirteen then. i'm 24 now.

however, i do agree that the mainstream has gotten particularly terrible over the last ten years or so. i'm not sure whether i should blame korn or green day but both are hugely responsible. there are some bright lights - the white stripes, system of a down, the mars volta, dillinger escape plan, wellwater conspiracy, tool - but mainstream rock music pretty much went back to shit the day jimmy chamberlain overdosed.

what is bugging me about the whole thing is the level of apathy away from the mainstream today. there was a really interesting instrumental rock movement up here in canada but it got morphed [*cough* they all sold out *cough*] into emo two or three years ago without really achieving anything.....

.....there's a sort of prog-rock revival with bands like porcupine tree, but, damn, they sound like lawerence fucking gowan....if you're gonna do prog rock, rip on crimson and genesis and not on fucking saga.....

......there's a bunch of pixies wannabes....

......there's a slight cure revival.....actually, a big cure, u2, joy division revival....but why not just listen to "boy" or "disintegration" or "closer"? they're simply BETTER than anything hot hot heat, interpol or les savy fab have ever done...

.....industrial music has had no pulse in close to ten years.....

.....there's a bunch of whiny noel gallagher wannabes in bands like neutral milk hotel...

....you've got the go team merging hip hop with disco with funk with idm and creating the worst thing this side of wham!....

.....acts like the postal service ripping off 15 year old records and winning grammys....

....there are still a ton of punk bands and they still all sound the same now as they would have thirty years ago....

so, it IS frustrating, not because the mainstream sucks but because the underground scene, from what i can tell, is threatening to make things worse and not better. i mean, what's on it's way up right now? indie-disco with mogwai style flute parts, shortened up and mass marketed? at least sonic youth were original......and you know what? they still command some fucking respect, except for the last album which sucked.

the most interesting brand new thing out of nowhere i've heard in four or five years is the dresden dolls, but they'd blown before i'd even heard of 'em....

that was a helluva rant.

the most interesting brand new thing out of nowhere i've heard in four or five years is the dresden dolls, but they'd blown before i'd even heard of 'em....


Again, I say "Stoner Rock". Go look up Kyuss and Monster Magnet, then take a look at more modern stuff like Nebula and Fireball Ministry...

I think it's a matter of time before this style becomes the new 'thing'. Queens of the Stone Age already found success with it. And it seems to be cropping up more and more among local bands here...

My personal opinion is that all the good music is disappearing because the majority of the audience doesn't want to know about it. They're all intoxicated by the mindless pap that is served up by the mass media, and don't care about the history of the music.

Case in point: A friend of mine told me about the time he was in a used CD store, and this 16-year-old kid comes in. He goes up to the counter and asked "I've heard of this new band that has some interesting music. What can you tell me about the Doors?"

If I'd been the store manager, I'd have thrown this kid out.


Noooooo! I'd have showed him the back catalogue, picked out a good album for him to listen to and told him why so many people think Jim Morrison was so great.

So he didn't know much about The Doors, why does that matter? Everyone has to learn. I think it's actually great that a kid can go into a store and ask about a band whose music was being made 40 years ago (and 40 years before that hardly anyone could listen to recorded music!) not because they like the image or the video, but because they've heard it and liked it for the music itself.

Ha...Isn't Green Day older?
It is.

As for my opinion, both modern and old rock are good, bands such as Nivarna, NIN, The Clash, The Sex Pistols, Meatloaf, Gun n Roses, are all great but at the same time newer bands like Nine Black Amps, Foo Fighters ect are also good. and then you've got some old/new bands (Green day ect)

Noooooo! I'd have showed him the back catalogue, picked out a good album for him to listen to and told him why so many people think Jim Morrison was so great.

So he didn't know much about The Doors, why does that matter? Everyone has to learn. I think it's actually great that a kid can go into a store and ask about a band whose music was being made 40 years ago (and 40 years before that hardly anyone could listen to recorded music!) not because they like the image or the video, but because they've heard it and liked it for the music itself.

*Is a 19 year old with the entire Doors studio-album back catalogue - minus singles* :cool: :D

*Is a 19 year old with the entire Doors studio-album back catalogue - minus singles* :cool: :D
17 and the same, minus the soft parade, but i've got both box sets too.

17 and the same, minus the soft parade, but i've got both box sets too.

Ah, well, I wasn't counting the box sets. You win! :D

Ah, well, I wasn't counting the box sets. You win! :D
I am winner! HAHAHA! :D:D:D (God, I've wasted so much money on The Doors... :p)

Its evolving. Zeppelin et. al. are getting old. Get over it.

Sorry i havent read the last few responses, but great choice of topic to whoever started this (i didnt look at that either).

I personally agree that Rock music is going downhill, it seems a striving to be 'alternative' or not in the mainstream has drawn many people to the Rock fringes, however for me -a fan of older prog/acoustic/stadium/hard/thrash rock- this definition is also ironically synonymous to the indie bands and 'sh*t-rock' mainstream music scene. That or the mainstream is just too dull to be memorable.
I think, that in a convoluted way what i am trying to say is that modern rock music is boring. Its all samey, and most of the guitarists appear to have an aversion to technical excellence, i.e. they suck. To use an earlier example offered, Nirvana -though i despise the music- were giant, and had their own sound. Go back a bit further, and you have the great Stadium rock bands of the 80's. Sometimes they were a bit cheesy, like Asia or Journey, but it was a great epic sound.

When did it happen, that what was 'popular' stopped being good, and just became all the same formula -just perhaps in different clothes?...

My verdict: Modern Rock music has a few shining gems, -although predominately these are from an earlier time- but for the most part it's indistinguishable, where the alternative/mainstream border seems a little blurred, at least for the passing listener like myself.

Ha...Isn't Green Day older?

Marilyn Manson and the Spooky Kids formed in 1989. Sweet Children, a forerunner to Green day formed in 1988 and changed their name to Green Day in 1989.

Hey, rock ism't getting older in Europe. You see, Rammstein, Tierra Santa...

....there are still a ton of punk bands and they still all sound the same now as they would have thirty years ago....

so, it IS frustrating, not because the mainstream sucks but because the underground scene, from what i can tell, is threatening to make things worse and not better.

You're quite mistaken, punk has diversified quite a bit, you just have to look beyond mainstream punk. Pick up an album by The Locust or Refused or Crimson Curse or Mohinder or millions of other underground punk, they're quite removed from the Sex Pistols, Bad Religion and Black Flag knock-offs out there.

Refused

Hell yes. :D

As I grow older and my taste in music changes, I discover many bands that I once liked are really shit. There are definitely many newer rock bands that are crap compared to some of the older ones. The only modern rock bands I consider to be great are Rammstein and Oomph!. Others are on the "okay" level.

The thing I read about a kid calling The Doors new earlier in the thread disturbed me. What the hell?

Most of the music spilling out these days is complete shit.

The thing I read about a kid calling The Doors new earlier in the thread disturbed me. What the hell?

Maybe its a joke, i cant see that really happpening, no one is that ill informed.

My personal opinion is that all the good music is disappearing because the majority of the audience doesn't want to know about it. They're all intoxicated by the mindless pap that is served up by the mass media, and don't care about the history of the music.

Case in point: A friend of mine told me about the time he was in a used CD store, and this 16-year-old kid comes in. He goes up to the counter and asked "I've heard of this new band that has some interesting music. What can you tell me about the Doors?"

If I'd been the store manager, I'd have thrown this kid out.

Whilst the 16 year olds lack of musical knowledge is shocking, he is only 16. And the general elitism much of the old rock crowd exihibit doesn't help any. Case in point, the quoted post. If someone doesn't know much about a band they don't deserve to know anything about it, even if they do actively try and search out said band's stuff.

And I admit that good rock is hard to find these days and it is annoying. And all the acts that pass as "rock" acts are no better. Buit this attitude that "Good rock died with " has to stop. For starters, it stops people finding good modern bands (I admit they are rare, but they are there), since old great bands are raised so high that they are deemed unsurpassable. Why look for new music when you can already listen to the best?

Though the increasing commercialisation is to blame for the fact that good bands are rarely heard. A band is only signed if the label thinks it will sell. How does the label know it might seel? If it sounds exactly like all the other trash that sells. I bet execs were laughing all the way to the bank when nu-metal exploded. "It sounds like rock [i]and rap, think of the amount of people that will buy it."

And apologies if anything has already been said. I haven't had time to read the whole thread and must shoot off now.

Bleh. When I was 18, I heard this a lot. "Music is getting shittier, its all about image, can't write their own songs, just mindless crap on the radio, nothing like it was twenty years ago"

Only it WAS like that twenty years ago. There has always been mindless crap freely available on the radio, because there is a market for it. Its terrible, pointless and makes me want to bash my skull in, but there is a market, and if you want what you like to be seriously considered, you have to be willing to help create a market for it.

Whenever someone I know starts going on and about the lack of good music these days, I consider their musical tastes, and send them out to see a few bands I think they'd enjoy. I check back a few days later, and nine times out of ten, they haven't left their house, and make up some pathetic excuse about not wanting to be sneered at by the hipsters at the "Indie Scene" (which has apparently been turned into a terrifying implication of elitist musicial appriciation, as opposed to a scene where struggling musicians can make a buck) and decided to stay in bed listening to Radiohead. The one out of ten that goes to see the bands never complains about the music again.

You can't have the best of both worlds. You can't have a world free of marketing and commercialism, and expect awesome music to come right up and slap you in the face. You either have to work to find good music, or put up with whatever the record companies are willing to market. Maybe you'll get lucky, maybe they'll sign the next Tool, and they'll send them on a whirlwind tour, and sign them to a four album deal, but in four years, you'll be bored with them, and have no idea where to turn for your next music fix, and you'll be willing to find it anywhere.

Maybe its a joke, i cant see that really happpening, no one is that ill informed.

Wanna bet? lol
My 18yr old was talking to some friends about music and several of them asked "who's john lennon?" Now I realise that's not heavy rock but geez....

Here's a song that sums it up. No solutions have I, but I know the problem well.

"Medio-Core"

Medio-core
It's not forsaken
The music they're makin'
Will leave you with a feeling of indifference
How was the band?
They were okay (okay)
Not great (all right)
But pretty good
They played the songs I knew they would
Some old
Some new
The same formula stays true
We can concur
It's medio-core

Sing
Sing a song
Make it simple
So all the kids can sing along (ahh)
Sing along (ahh)

The list keeps growin'
The melodies been stolen
Remind me of songs sung in the 70's
You might fool the kids
But you don't fool me
Have you ever heard of something called
aboriginality?

Is it absurd
To compose music no one's ever heard
Predictability
Like a bussom will comfort them
My one true foe
L.C.D.

(Medio-core) It's under powered
The riffs are all deflowered
(Medio-core) It's spreading faster
Than British tooth decay
(Medio-core) Are you ready to rock?
How ya'll doing tonight?
(Medio-core) Your condescending fucks
Make me wanna laugh and puke at the same time.
(Medio-core)
I'm one to speak,
This song sounds like fifteen you've heard before
Medio-core

Sing
Sing a song
Make it simple
So all the kids can sing along (ahh)
Sing along (ahh)

God bless NOFX

Wanna bet? lol
My 18yr old was talking to some friends about music and several of them asked "who's john lennon?" Now I realise that's not heavy rock but geez....

Wasn't he that guy who lead the Russian revolution?


(j/k :p)

Or here's another by the same great band

"Please Play This Song On The Radio"

We wrote this song, it's not too short, not too long
It's got back-up vocals in just the right places (in just the right places)
It's got a few oohs and ahhs (oooh aaah)
And it takes a little pause
Just before I sing the F word

Please play this song on the radio

Almost every line is sung on time
Almost every verse ends in a rhyme
The only problem we had was writing enough words
(oooh aaah)
But that's okay, because the chorus is
Coming up again now

Please play this song on the radio
Please play this song on the radio

Please play this song on the radio
Please play this song on the radio
Please play this song on the radio
Please play this song on the radio
Please play this song on the radio (please play this song)
Please play this song on the radio (please play this song)

Right about this time
Some shit head will be drawin a fat fuckin' line
Over the title on the back sleave
What an asshole!
So Mr. DJ I hope you've already made your segue
Or the FCC is gonna take a shit right on your head

Can't play this song on the radio (can't play this song)
Can't play this song on the radio (can't play this song)

it seems to me that rock music is going downhill. Sure theres a lot of good bands out there but the greats are long past there prime as it seems like audiences are moving to more alternitive or less progressive styles orf rock and less and less and les fans care about the old stuff or even the semi olxd stufff. ive heard people telling me that Nirvana is old . helll even if it was old what difference does it make great music is still great music no matter when it came out, look at classical music lots of people still listen to bach and im no music historian but im pretty sure thats older than nirvana. now a days it seems like its less about the music and the lifestyle and more about money or spread some dumb message that no one cares about. Im not saying theres no good bands out theses days but im saying theres far less bands who have ionfluence on society or history. like zepplienpeople remember tham and still listen to them all theses years im just wondering where the hell did the music go?

As a musician, and non-pro musicologist, I have to agree.

The world of rock has become sedate and/or corporate again. The good news is that companies like Columbia Records and ClearChannel are being pursued by the FCC for yet another huge payola scandal.

For those of you who don't know payola works like this:

1) Big record company makes album they feel deserves LOADS of airplay

2) A focus group (generally made of tasteless people) listen and say it's mediocre.

3) Record company need to promote sales of album so they give $$$ or drugs to stations to put in heavy rotation.

4) We get force fed crap on the radio and television telling us how great this stuff is.

And no it has premeated everywhere. It used to be only Pop and R&B acts, now rock and "Alternative" or "Emo" bands are promoted on this structure.

It's a damn shame.

SUPPORT INDEPENDENT MUSIC!!!

Or here's another by the same great band

"Please Play This Song On The Radio"

We wrote this song, it's not too short, not too long
It's got back-up vocals in just the right places (in just the right places)
It's got a few oohs and ahhs (oooh aaah)
And it takes a little pause
Just before I sing the F word

Please play this song on the radio

Almost every line is sung on time
Almost every verse ends in a rhyme
The only problem we had was writing enough words
(oooh aaah)
But that's okay, because the chorus is
Coming up again now

Please play this song on the radio
Please play this song on the radio

Please play this song on the radio
Please play this song on the radio
Please play this song on the radio
Please play this song on the radio
Please play this song on the radio (please play this song)
Please play this song on the radio (please play this song)

Right about this time
Some shit head will be drawin a fat fuckin' line
Over the title on the back sleave
What an asshole!
So Mr. DJ I hope you've already made your segue
Or the FCC is gonna take a shit right on your head

Can't play this song on the radio (can't play this song)
Can't play this song on the radio (can't play this song)


One of my favorite NoFX songs ever...though Bob is still #1. And Hotdog in a Hallway. ANd Vincent. And Mattersville.

Okay...all of them...they're just fantastic.

One of my favorite NoFX songs ever...though Bob is still #1. And Hotdog in a Hallway. ANd Vincent. And Mattersville.

Okay...all of them...they're just fantastic.

Hell yea!!! From Mattersville, this is my favorite line:

Davey Havok's house is painted black

Hell yea!!! From Mattersville, this is my favorite line:

Davey Havok's house is painted black

I like the line "Tony and Stevie Cab they still skateboard...but most of us play bridge and shuffle board...may be getting ripe but we ain't bored"

I actually picture Tony Hawk and Steve Cabellero on walkers with skateboards attached...it's the way it should be.

Don't like rock right now? LISTEN TO MORE Bad Religion!

I like the line "Tony and Stevie Cab they still skateboard...but most of us play bridge and shuffle board...may be getting ripe but we ain't bored"

I actually picture Tony Hawk and Steve Cabellero on walkers with skateboards attached...it's the way it should be.

Don't like rock right now? LISTEN TO MORE Bad Religion!

Definately, I know I might sound a little trendy, but I think Sorrow was BR's best song. I like the crazy distorted intro. That an I think the song has an excellent message.

Definately, I know I might sound a little trendy, but I think Sorrow was BR's best song. I like the crazy distorted intro. That an I think the song has an excellent message.

Nope...Walk Away was probably their best song. Suffer and Against the grain their best albums. I like most their stuff. I went to Ithaca for a primere of a movie my band was in the soundtrack of, and I hoped to run into Greg Graffin, but alas he wasn't around.

Okay, Now I'll bite the bullet. I LIKE alot of what is being played on the radio today. Please, put the handgun away and hear me out.

I'm young, and pretty much just a 'skimmer' on the music scene. But if I'm listening to crap, I want to know. Heck, maybe it's like eating crappy McDonald's hamburgers all your life and then one day attending a real cookout. With real, nice-grade meat.
I like the bands like System of a Down, Disturbed, Slipknot... and yes, even the ever-so-hated Greenday.
So. What's wrong with those bands? And which bands are better?

Okay, Now I'll bite the bullet. I LIKE alot of what is being played on the radio today. Please, put the handgun away and hear me out.

I'm young, and pretty much just a 'skimmer' on the music scene. But if I'm listening to crap, I want to know. Heck, maybe it's like eating crappy McDonald's hamburgers all your life and then one day attending a real cookout. With real, nice-grade meat.
I like the bands like System of a Down, Disturbed, Slipknot... and yes, even the ever-so-hated Greenday.
So. What's wrong with those bands? And which bands are better?

System of a Down, while I don't generally care for their style of music is absolutely tight. I like their "tongue-in-sheek" lyrics and they are talented.

Disturbed and Slipknot. Corporate sponsored crap.

Green Day have reprieved themselves by making American Idiot. Between say Dookie and American Idiot, I thought they blew it.

Here's some suggested listenings you won't hear on radio:

Minus the Bear
Hum
Sunny Day Real Estate
daymonthyear (yeah I just plugged my own band)
SuperChunk
Jawbox

Just to mention a few. Try them out.

Yellowcard and Simple Plan are not emo. Emo (which is emotionally-charged hardcore punk) was a rather unsucessful music movement in the late 80's and early 90's. Also, emocore isn't just emo with more screaming; it's quicker, heavier emo with more of the hardcore feel.
AHAHAHA. yellowcard and simple plan are YES emo. haha... emo is very emotional rock with pop-punk influence, there is little or no hardcore or real punk influence... pop-punk's best example would be blink 182, who i respect very much. i enjoy them tons... but if you listen to them, and then listen to punk like minor threat, sex pistols, and stuff like that. there are virtually no similarities... singing vs screaming... a dirty gritty sound vs a much more made up sound... the main similarity is the simplicity. both punk and pop punk have pretty simple riffs and rhythms... yellowcard and simple plan grew out of bands like blink, but mixed with the 90's rock bands (goo goo dolls [who i love] matchbox 20... stuff like that) and older rock that was a little more complex, but not a lot... emocore is basically emo with screaming but you're right, the music is much heavier sounding with anywhere from no to lots of hardcore feel... underoath obviously is much heavier and have a little hardcore feel... and, as i lay dying (who, lyrically is emo) is very much hardcore and metal influenced.

Pfft, go listen to Master of Reality.

pfft. go listen to acacia strain- smoke ya later.

i wish i knew

the increasing commerciality of the whole music business must be a pretty big element. blame MTV!

Blame intellectual property laws.

it seems to me that rock music is going downhill. Sure theres a lot of good bands out there but the greats are long past there prime as it seems like audiences are moving to more alternitive or less progressive styles orf rock and less and less and les fans care about the old stuff or even the semi olxd stufff. ive heard people telling me that Nirvana is old . helll even if it was old what difference does it make great music is still great music no matter when it came out, look at classical music lots of people still listen to bach and im no music historian but im pretty sure thats older than nirvana. now a days it seems like its less about the music and the lifestyle and more about money or spread some dumb message that no one cares about. Im not saying theres no good bands out theses days but im saying theres far less bands who have ionfluence on society or history. like zepplienpeople remember tham and still listen to them all theses years im just wondering where the hell did the music go?


Meh, it's just a phase, Rock music for some reason goes in phases I find, 60s to late 70s good. 80s for the most part bad, still some good stuff in there(but AC/DC's 80s stuff is crap, outside the Razor's edge I suppose). 90s, Rock music revives, Nirvana knocks off Micheal Jackson, Rage, Radiohead, Greenday, etc come along. Now, we're in a low period of Rock, it'll come back, just might take a while.

I know exactly what your talkin about dude. All the good rock bands dont get played on the radio or MTV. Infact lol if I see a band on MTV I probably know they suck right away. One great band is BLACK LABEL SOCIETY its ozzy's guitar player's band and they rock www.zakkwylde.com . I also like www.alterbridge.com . The single alterbridge released is not the best song on the album but you get the idea. You just have to look around really. Most of the kick ass rock and roll bands dont get played on radio or MTV. But dont let that stop you. The answer to your question as to why people play certain bands on MTV and the radio is they all use a formula that has a few steps in it and boom a perfect single and the whole album sucks. Heres the formula if a band doesnt fit into the formula it doesnt get played in the radio or MTV!

1. The song must me under 3 minutes and 30 seconds.
2. No swearing.
3. Always have the singer "singing" no instrumental breaks
4. No solos.
5. The instruments just provide a back drop and are not doing anything hard.
6. Have a "hook" within the first 30 seconds of the song.
7. Try to make the song a love song that way everyone can relate to it.

So there you go a world wide music industry formula that has made billions of dollars lol. Guess im kind of partial being a guitarist and all...

AHAHAHA. yellowcard and simple plan are YES emo. haha... emo is very emotional rock with pop-punk influence, there is little or no hardcore or real punk influence...
-snip-


Pick yourself up some Fugazi or Still Life sometime. They both have emotionally charged lyrics and music, and have a slight hardcore feel to them. Heck, Fugazi's frontman was the lead singer from Minor Threat, a hardcore band, and Embrace, an emocore band.

Pick yourself up some Fugazi or Still Life sometime. They both have emotionally charged lyrics and music, and have a slight hardcore feel to them. Heck, Fugazi's frontman was the lead singer from Minor Threat, a hardcore band, and Embrace, an emocore band.
fugazi is quite good. minor threat is amazing. the inventers of hardcore punk in my eyes.

pfft. go listen to acacia strain- smoke ya later.

It's an okay song, I suppose, but I don't see how it has a sound all that much heavier than Master of Reality as to destroy Sabbath's credibility as metal. Is it faster? yeah. Does it have heavier instruments? Not really...at least not enough to draw a comparison that Sabbath is "NOT heavy". Have you heard the particular album I am talking about? Even though the tuning is different (this Acacia strain group tunes their instruments 3.5 steps lower than standard - Sabbath used two steps down on MoR), it still sounds *heavy*.

I had some little greenday shit tell me that marilyn manson was old :rolleyes:
What the Hells that meant to mean?
Greendays way older.
Stupid Popculture. :mp5:
honestly you get dumbarse TeenyBoppers and Trendies that dont have a core music love but just love singles and you hear the same song on the same radio station 5 times a day!
A good song gets overkilled and you never want to hear it again.

It really sickens me when i here Christina Augulira(sp) right after hearing Old Metallica or Foo Fighters and then britney Spears followed by Usher and then Franz Ferdinand honestly it sucks!

1. The song must me under 3 minutes and 30 seconds.
2. No swearing.
3. Always have the singer "singing" no instrumental breaks
4. No solos.
5. The instruments just provide a back drop and are not doing anything hard.
6. Have a "hook" within the first 30 seconds of the song.
7. Try to make the song a love song that way everyone can relate to it.
you forgot must have fake rat arsed electronic Bass
Group must have nice hair
a good example of this kind of crap is American(somethingarather(I cant remeber their name cause they suck))

*Destroys ZM*

What the Hells that meant to mean?
Greendays way older.


You're mistaken, they formed within a few months of each other, in 1989.

Whats the big deal? Who watches MTV anyway?

AHAHAHA. yellowcard and simple plan are YES emo. haha... emo is very emotional rock with pop-punk influence, there is little or no hardcore or real punk influence... ...as i lay dying (who, lyrically is emo) is very much hardcore and metal influenced.

Emo is and always has been an off-shoot of hardcore.

As I Lay Dying is a lame Christian pop-hardcore band.

Yellowcard and Simple Plan are pop-punk with some watered down emo riffs and lyrics tacked on, that doesn't make them emo.

Emo bands scream(or at least shout), play walls of octave chords and play songs that build to a climax, if it's lacking this, it's not emo. Not that every song follows this structure, but the vast majority does, except for the ones that scream the whole time and start out intense instead of building, like Orchid or Love Lost But Not Forgotten or any of the bands from the Quebec scene(like Union of Uranus) or San Diego scene (like Heroin).

(sabbath is NOT heavy.)

Quite possibly....the dumbest musical statement Ive ever heard.

(sabbath is NOT heavy


Oh dear

Oh dear


Yah..I know...just pray its not catching.

What's happening to rock?

Well, right at the moment I'm listening to Manowar. True rock is not dead. Some of us still have good taste.

AHAHAHA. yellowcard and simple plan are YES emo. haha... emo is very emotional rock with pop-punk influence, there is little or no hardcore or real punk influence... pop-punk's best example would be blink 182, who i respect very much. i enjoy them tons... but if you listen to them, and then listen to punk like minor threat, sex pistols, and stuff like that. there are virtually no similarities... singing vs screaming... a dirty gritty sound vs a much more made up sound... the main similarity is the simplicity. both punk and pop punk have pretty simple riffs and rhythms... yellowcard and simple plan grew out of bands like blink, but mixed with the 90's rock bands (goo goo dolls [who i love] matchbox 20... stuff like that) and older rock that was a little more complex, but not a lot... emocore is basically emo with screaming but you're right, the music is much heavier sounding with anywhere from no to lots of hardcore feel... underoath obviously is much heavier and have a little hardcore feel... and, as i lay dying (who, lyrically is emo) is very much hardcore and metal influenced.


Is this a serious post? Emo is not pop-punk influenced music either. Bands like Sunny Day Real Estate started the Emo movement as an outreach arm of the early DC hardcore movement.

Blink 182 is not a good example of pop-punk either. They are a good example of corporatized pop-punk, but not actual pop-punk. True pop-punk would be bands like Green Day and even sometimes 311.

You are right though, Simple Plan (who should be forced to disband by law) and YellowCard are not emo strictly speaking. I like Yellow Card's music, then I saw them live and lost all respect for them.

What's happening to rock?

Well, right at the moment I'm listening to Manowar. True rock is not dead. Some of us still have good taste.

says the guy listening to Manowar.

Heh.

says the guy listening to Manowar.

Heh. Yeah, two of my metal-loving friends hate them. I'm a fan of heroic metal… and orchestral metal. Keeping the old traditions alive.

I also love Dire Straits. Now that IS good taste, yes?

Yeah, two of my metal-loving friends hate them. I'm a fan of heroic metal… and orchestral metal. Keeping the old traditions alive.

I also love Dire Straits. Now that IS good taste, yes?


LOL well. its all subjective, really.

Manowar is frickin A loud...i'll give em that.

Dire Straights...hmm...."Sultans of Swing"?

LOL well. its all subjective, really.

Manowar is frickin A loud...i'll give em that.

Dire Straights...hmm...."Sultans of Swing"? I like Brothers in Arms the best.

I just bought "The Book of Heavy Metal" off iTunes… get the song! It's so funny!

I like Brothers in Arms the best.

I just bought "The Book of Heavy Metal" off iTunes… get the song! It's so funny!
Nah, Sultans of Swing, but they're all good. That said I like Dragonforce and shit, so I'm pretty varied. Biggest problem with rock at the minute is, that the line between it and pop is blurring. Things like Kaiser Chiefs + Franz Ferdinand, well, they're OK, but they don't exactly rock out, do they? I mean, Back in Black came on the radio after I Predict a Riot and it was like - Thank you Lord! \m/ Nuffins got any energy anymore - it's all gone pastel coloured.

Nah, Sultans of Swing, but they're all good. That said I like Dragonforce and shit, so I'm pretty varied. Biggest problem with rock at the minute is, that the line between it and pop is blurring. Things like Kaiser Chiefs + Franz Ferdinand, well, they're OK, but they don't exactly rock out, do they? I mean, Back in Black came on the radio after I Predict a Riot and it was like - Thank you Lord! \m/ Nuffins got any energy anymore - it's all gone pastel coloured. Music isn't really music unless it's firing with passion. Well, that's what I think. From Nightwish semi-erotica to Dimmu Borgir vengeance.

Oh, and I prefer bands that have some measure of eloquence.

Nah, Sultans of Swing, but they're all good. That said I like Dragonforce and shit, so I'm pretty varied. Biggest problem with rock at the minute is, that the line between it and pop is blurring. Things like Kaiser Chiefs + Franz Ferdinand, well, they're OK, but they don't exactly rock out, do they? I mean, Back in Black came on the radio after I Predict a Riot and it was like - Thank you Lord! \m/ Nuffins got any energy anymore - it's all gone pastel coloured.


Not totally true, the Hives have more energy than a large ball of energetic energy on the most energetic day of the year. Nice and fast too.

Dragonforce are pretty good, my mates got an album of thiers (dont ask me what album I cant remember in the slightest) I do however remember it being very good.

Nah, Sultans of Swing, but they're all good. That said I like Dragonforce and shit, so I'm pretty varied. Biggest problem with rock at the minute is, that the line between it and pop is blurring. Things like Kaiser Chiefs + Franz Ferdinand, well, they're OK, but they don't exactly rock out, do they? I mean, Back in Black came on the radio after I Predict a Riot and it was like - Thank you Lord! \m/ Nuffins got any energy anymore - it's all gone pastel coloured.

I disagree with this partly. I think there is a lot of "pastel colored" crap all over the airwaves. So I avoid the airwaves and find good stuff. I think there are a few indie-label non-corporate bands that rock their asses off. You just won't find them on the radio.

Not totally true, the Hives have more energy than a large ball of energetic energy on the most energetic day of the year. Nice and fast too.


Yeah, they're brilliant live.

Not totally true, the Hives have more energy than a large ball of energetic energy on the most energetic day of the year. Nice and fast too.

Dragonforce are pretty good, my mates got an album of thiers (dont ask me what album I cant remember in the slightest) I do however remember it being very good.
*bows*
How could I have forgotten the Hives? Thanks, they're fantastic live. Dragonforce are even better after a beer or six too...
I disagree with this partly. I think there is a lot of "pastel colored" crap all over the airwaves. So I avoid the airwaves and find good stuff. I think there are a few indie-label non-corporate bands that rock their asses off. You just won't find them on the radio.Yeah, that's kinda what I meant. I don't have a lot of money, so I listen to the radio a lot, but there is good stuff out there - ya just gotta find it.

Cinema critics will tell you that the last great decade of film was the '70s. That was because directors took risks and often created box office failures. Now, with so much money at stake, marketing determines which mainstream films get made. The same thing has happened to Rock. It seems to have split into commercial pop and indie or alternative.

Cinema critics will tell you that the last great decade of film was the '70s. That was because directors took risks and often created box office failures. Now, with so much money at stake, marketing determines which mainstream films get made. The same thing has happened to Rock. It seems to have split into commercial pop and indie or alternative. Church and politics, money and art, oil and water. What do they all have in common? They don't mix.

Yeah, they're brilliant live.


The Hives are best live IMO, even got to meet them last weekend at the V festival :D

What's happening to rock?

Well, right at the moment I'm listening to Manowar. True rock is not dead. Some of us still have good taste.

Definitely not good taste in cover art. :p

Definitely not good taste in cover art. :p Half-naked men and women, flames and daemons… yeah, definitely good taste.

Quite possibly....the dumbest musical statement Ive ever heard.
to me it is not heavy. but to each his own.

and sorry kid, but yellowcard is emo. lol. just listen to the lyrics. if you don't think theyre emo, and you say emo bands scream/shout idk what emo you're thinking of. here emo is singing music that is very emotional, usually sad/lovestruck emotional, not angry/hateful.

but hey, think what you want... but, give me an example of a big emo band that i will know of

and sorry kid, but yellowcard is emo. lol. just listen to the lyrics. if you don't think theyre emo, and you say emo bands scream/shout idk what emo you're thinking of. here emo is singing music that is very emotional, usually sad/lovestruck emotional, not angry/hateful.

but hey, think what you want... but, give me an example of a big emo band that i will know of

The closest to mainstream emo has gone would be stuff like Planes Mistaken For Stars, Small Brown Bike, At The Drive-In (at times, they're really hard to pidgeonhole) or Saetia.

It seems you only know what MTV and radio calls emo. Emo doesn't just mean 'emotional', it's short for emocore, emotional hardcore. Emo is hardcore with introspective lyrics and songs that build up to climaxes.

Emo is usually sad, but not sad like the Cure, it's more overwhelming, fall to the ground, screaming and crying sad.

Emo has inspired bands from other genres, there's hardcore bands with introspective lyrics that don't sound at all emo (Shai Hulud), there's indie rock bands with emo inspired lyrics and melodies (Sunny Day Real Estate), there's popcore bands with emo inspired vocals and lyrics (Thursday), and there's pop-punk bands with emo inspired (but often lacking) lyrics (Yellowcard).

None of that is emo though, it gets called emo, but it's not involved with the scene, so it's not. Just like if Cannibal Corpse gets called grindcore in an interview or on TV, they're not, they're death metal, they have nothing to do with grindcore.

Here's some links to a site with some mp3s by emo bands.

http://www.epitonic.com/artists/unwound.html
http://www.epitonic.com/artists/envy.html
http://www.epitonic.com/artists/heroin.html
http://www.epitonic.com/artists/shotmaker.html
http://www.epitonic.com/artists/chinohorde.html

See, not pop-punk with songs about girls. :p