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http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/men/news/s/171/171266_men_smarter_than_women.html

Just what I always thought, and now it's official! I guess you feminists can take your "women liberation" to the moon now. Men, rejoice!

Hallelujah, I hear you brother! TESTIFY!

Is this serious or not? I need to know whether I should respond seriously or not waste my time with it. :)

I always had a feeling men were on the whole smarter, of course there will be exceptions and there will always be brilliantly clever women, but man's place in caveman society required more intellect than the woman's, so it makes sense.

However, I still feel that feminists should have the right to protest for rights (if there is anything they don't have yet).

This is serious.

Feminism proved women were daft.
Before they started getting equal rights they could control society from behind the scenes and have been able to massively influence history. Now we have their number and they have to work like it their power is significantly less.

The bra-burners gave the secret away.

This is serious.

Thanks. On to the seriousness...seriously.

Feminists won't be hampered by this, even if it's true (and I don't have access to the appropriate studies or the time to decide whether it is or not). The article points out that the difference in IQ scores was consistently marginal, and would most likely not affect equality in the workforce to any significant degree. Keeping that in mind, it seems likely that the difference wouldn't affect much else in our day-to-day lives either. Again, this isn't likely to be a big blow for feminists. I suspect "This probably isn't true for [insert reason here]" and "meh" will be the general responses to this news.

There are fewer incredibly smart women than men....however there are certainly fewer incredibly dumb women than men. It has been well established for a while that the intelligence variations of men are more extreme than those of women.

Hey, if you looked at median scores and disregarded the Einsteins, Newtons, etc. amongst us and their less-gifted opposites...your run-of-the-mill woman could well be smarter than your run-of-the-mill man.

First of all this is just one study, and one using information from 40 years ago...

"Academics analysed the results of 80,000 cognitive ability tests, conducted on people from 20 countries from the 1960s to the present day."

There are also questions regarding the reasearchers and possible hidden agendas...

"Ulster University academic Richard Lynn, who has previously provoked outrage by claiming white people are more intelligent than black."

Second, IQ tests are complex and have many formats. The article provides no information on the types of IQ tests applied (sounds like they used ones from accross the spectrum). Second it provides no details (where did the five points come from?)... The bottem score of an IQ test can be very unreliable (for example, the bottem is not often applied to those with dyslexia or learning disabilities because they have many highs and lows).

Also there are scientific studies which show that mens brains are ravaged by age a lot faster then women (often resulting in lower judgement, a possible root of male midlife problems). Women have better hearing. There is more on the different workings of the male/female brains, but I don't have it on hand...

I think were a long way from declaring one sex better or Feminism dead!

Of course men have higher IQs. Our brains work in different ways. Africans have lower IQs than Aryans, but they're not stupider - IQ is not a measure of intelligence.
So, are blacks' days numbered as well? I think not.

Of course men have higher IQs. Our brains work in different ways. Africans have lower IQs than Aryans, but they're not stupider - IQ is not a measure of intelligence.
So, are blacks' days numbered as well? I think not.

IQ= Intelligence Quotient.

Generally speaking men and women tend to be equally intelligent in different ways but men are much better at doing IQ tests.

IQ= Intelligence Quotient. China = People's Republic.

Your point?

China = People's Republic.

Your point?

Ha! OK, I admit defeat. *bows* :p

But really, IQ tests give some idea and are fine for measuring the intelligence of well-educated (secondary-school and above) western citizens. I agree that they aren't a perfect indication, though. Your average African (to quote a stereotypical example) would have no idea, but that doesn't reflect his or her intelligence.

As I said earlier IQ tests are varied (there are many forms) and they are complex (the bottom score tends to have less importance then is placed upon it by laymen).

For example, The Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale-III measures;
Verbal IQ
Performance IQ
Full-Scale IQ
Verbal Comprehension Index
Perceptual Memory Index
Working Memory Index
Processing Speed Index

There are Subtests!

Verbal Subtests:
Vocabulary
Similarities
Arithmetic
Digit Span
Information
Comprehension
Letter Number Sequencing

Performance Subtests
Picture Completion
Digit Sumbol Coding
Block Design
Matrix Reasoning
Picture Arrangement
Symbol Search

In addition the Wechsler Individual Achievement Test-2 is given...
Word Reading
Reading Comprehension
Numerical Operations
Math Reasoning
Spelling

And the Nelson-Denny Reading Test-Form G...
Comprehension
Prorated Comprehension
Reading Rate

Wow, and thats just one test... So you see IQ is an incredably complex thing to measure and it is not the bottom score that tends to count. Also the article provided no details (not surprising as they would have collected studies from different kinds of tests), so women could have scored higher then men on say Verbal Comprehension Index but not done as well in Letter Number Sequencing or vice a versa. No details are provided, making the whole thing rather meaningless... I am personally waiting to see what a legitamate scientific peer reviewed journal says about these findings/other studies and the whole matter in general...

I have a degree in Psychology and would want a lot more info than that article gives before swallowing their conclusion... As for intelligence tests, they measure what they measure very well, but it's really only a small part of intelligence.

I guess their conclusion could be right in a way, as we already knew that on average males and females perform differently in things like spatial awareness and verbal intelligence. In this case, they were probably measuring something males do better on average. It's just typical of the media to generalise this to males being "more intelligent" than females...

The test may or may not have been done properly and the results may or not be true but what i can say for pretty much certain is I dont think anyone is going to let this affect them. Most people will probably just ignore it.

edit:spelling

I have a degree in Psychology and would want a lot more info than that article gives before swallowing their conclusion... As for intelligence tests, they measure what they measure very well, but it's really only a small part of intelligence.

I guess their conclusion could be right in a way, as we already knew that on average males and females perform differently in things like spatial awareness and verbal intelligence. In this case, they were probably measuring something males do better on average. It's just typical of the media to generalise this to males being "more intelligent" than females...

From the media I see I get the impression that they generalise women to be more intelligent than men.

Amestria']As I said earlier IQ tests are varied (there are many forms) and they are complex (the bottom score tends to have less importance then is placed upon it by laymen).

For example, The Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale-III measures;
Verbal IQ
Performance IQ
Full-Scale IQ
Verbal Comprehension Index
Perceptual Memory Index
Working Memory Index
Processing Speed Index

There are Subtests!

Verbal Subtests:
Vocabulary
Similarities
Arithmetic
Digit Span
Information
Comprehension
Letter Number Sequencing

Performance Subtests
Picture Completion
Digit Sumbol Coding
Block Design
Matrix Reasoning
Picture Arrangement
Symbol Search

In addition the Wechsler Individual Achievement Test-2 is given...
Word Reading
Reading Comprehension
Numerical Operations
Math Reasoning
Spelling

And the Nelson-Denny Reading Test-Form G...
Comprehension
Prorated Comprehension
Reading Rate

Wow, and thats just one test... So you see IQ is an incredably complex thing to measure and it is not the bottom score that tends to count. Also the article provided no details (not surprising as they would have collected studies from different kinds of tests), so women could have scored higher then men on say Verbal Comprehension Index but not done as well in Letter Number Sequencing or vice a versa. No details are provided, making the whole thing rather meaningless... I am personally waiting to see what a legitamate scientific peer reviewed journal says about these findings/other studies and the whole matter in general...

Just reprinting what I wrote in case everyone missed it...

Feminists are taking over.
All they need is a nice :sniper: to syop us going :headbang:
Anybody agree?

Feminists are taking over.
All they need is a nice :sniper: to syop us going :headbang:
Anybody agree? Calinnor! Hello there!
(I introduced this fellow to NationStates, so you've got me to thank for anything offensive or insane he says)

They need to shoot you to stop you banging you head? Wh… what?

IQ is not a measure of intelligence.

The point I think Liskeinland was trying to make is that, regardless of the claims some people (usually the people taking your money to draft and administer IQ tests, or the people using IQ tests to re-affirm their prejudices) will make, it is absurd to believe that mental capacity as a whole can be measured by a simple test on a linear points scale.

Mental ability is a very complex thing involving many different abilities. IQ does not measure all facets of mental ability, and for those it does measure, there are substantial criticisms of the truth of its measurements. In the development of the original tests (which most modern tests strive to agree with) many types of question were scrapped because they appeared to credit subjects who otherwise did poorly, and vice versa - thus further narrowing what IQ can be said to measure. Some IQ tests are filled with cultural and societal assumptions - Richard Lewontin describes in "It Ain't Necessarily So" how some IQ tests ask subjects to identify characters from literature, make class judgements (for instance, by identifying which of a set of professions is most similar to carpentry, plumbing and bricklaying), judge socially acceptable behaviour ("what should you do when you notice you will be late to school?"), define obscure words and even identify which of a pair of pictures of girls is prettier.

EDIT: oops - lagging way behind because I had to leave the computer for a few minutes half-way through that

Calinnor! Hello there!
(I introduced this fellow to NationStates, so you've got me to thank for anything offensive or insane he says)

They need to shoot you to stop you banging you head? Wh… what?

Calinnor may have a point. Shooting him with a sniper rifle, particularly at close range, would likely prevent him(?) from banging his head any further. ;)

The point I think Liskeinland was trying to make is that, regardless of the claims some people (usually the people taking your money to draft and administer IQ tests, or the people using IQ tests to re-affirm their prejudices) will make, it is absurd to believe that mental capacity as a whole can be measured by a simple test on a linear points scale.

Mental ability is a very complex thing involving many different abilities. IQ does not measure all facets of mental ability, and for those it does measure, there are substantial criticisms of the truth of its measurements. In the development of the original tests (which most modern tests strive to agree with) many types of question were scrapped because they appeared to credit subjects who otherwise did poorly, and vice versa - thus further narrowing what IQ can be said to measure. Some IQ tests are filled with cultural and societal assumptions - Richard Lewontin describes in "It Ain't Necessarily So" how some IQ tests ask subjects to identify characters from literature, make class judgements (for instance, by identifying which of a set of professions is most similar to carpentry, plumbing and bricklaying), judge socially acceptable behaviour ("what should you do when you notice you will be late to school?"), define obscure words and even identify which of a pair of pictures of girls is prettier.

EDIT: oops - lagging way behind because I had to leave the computer for a few minutes half-way through that

Come now, _Myopia_. Are you suggesting that basing intelligence scores even partly on responses to culturally biased questions might yield skewed results? ;)

If so, I agree. :)

I've taken 3 seperate IQ tests,

some IQ tests ask subjects to identify characters from literature, make class judgements (for instance, by identifying which of a set of professions is most similar to carpentry, plumbing and bricklaying),
Never had to do that.

judge socially acceptable behaviour ("what should you do when you notice you will be late to school?"),
Nope, didn't have to do that.

define obscure words
I had to read an pronounce some mildly obscure words (Beatify was one), none of the words were class-exclusive imho.

and even identify which of a pair of pictures of girls is prettier.

You're just making stuff up now :D

I took two IQ tests in one day - got 111 on one of them and 130 on another one.

I choose 130 as my IQ.

I am also waiting to see the actual paper, it should be interesting. Here's the orginal annoucement, but the information there is also rather spoty.

http://www.thes.co.uk/current_edition/story.aspx?story_id=2024132

I've taken 3 seperate IQ tests,

Never had to do that.

Nope, didn't have to do that.

I had to read an pronounce some mildly obscure words (Beatify was one), none of the words were class-exclusive imho.

You're just making stuff up now :D

How old are you? Were you born in time to take the tests from the 1960s onwards?

If you're around my age (21) the tests you took would have been much more culturally fair and objective than those made decades earlier.

I took two IQ tests in one day - got 111 on one of them and 130 on another one.

I choose 130 as my IQ.

Excellent choice. :)

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/men/news/s/171/171266_men_smarter_than_women.html

Just what I always thought, and now it's official! I guess you feminists can take your "women liberation" to the moon now. Men, rejoice!

I'll start by saying that this 'test' is utter and complete bullshit. The report of the result is so flawed as to be picked apart by a three year old. Let me number a few flaws:
1) There is no doubt that the genders minds work in different ways. Women tend to outperform men on certain brain activities (language, listening) than men and mens strengths are different as well (math).
2) IQ tests are a narrow measurement of mental aptitude. Depending on which skills one is looking the results can vary widely. For ex; music. Most folks here would be 'complete idiots' if musical aptitude were a part of the IQ test.
3) Based on 1 and 2, the IQ test is very likely biased in favor of skills which men excell at. Though they may score 'higher' it does not mean they are 'smarter' any more than a person with big feet having good understanding.
4) The IQ tests tend to produce differnt results across ethnicity as well. Asians tending to have thie highest scores while blacks have the lower scores. I refuse to accept that asians or blacks have different mental aptitude than I. I would be substantially more inclined to point to the test or varying social environment before I would point to genes as the culprit.

This test result, and the sloppy sensationnalistic report of it are an embarrassment.

That said - and to lighten things up a bit - I will add that it reminds me of an old joke;

Adam was talking with God on the 8th day in the Garden of Eden. Adam, impressed with everything God had done with him, felt compelled to offer up praise;
"God, this place is wonderful. The birds, the trees, the waterfalls. God it is beautiful! But woman! Eve! WOW! You REALLY outdid yourself with her!"
God replied in a loving tone "Thank you Adam. I did it because I love you."
"Tell me, Lord, why did you make her face so beautiful?"
"So that you could look upon her, and love her."
"And why, Lord, is her skin so soft and warm"
"Adam, so that you could touch her, and love her."
"And Lord, why is her voice more lovely than a bird's song?"
"So that you could listen to her, and love her."
"Then Lord, why is it that you made her so frickin stupid?"
"Ahhh, Adam" God replied patiently, "That is so SHE could love YOU!"

How old are you? Were you born in time to take the tests from the 1960s onwards?

If you're around my age (21) the tests you took would have been much more culturally fair and objective than those made decades earlier.

I'm 23.

That said - and to lighten things up a bit - I will add that it reminds me of an old joke;

Adam was talking with God on the 8th day in the Garden of Eden. Adam, impressed with everything God had done with him, felt compelled to offer up praise;
"God, this place is wonderful. The birds, the trees, the waterfalls. God it is beautiful! But woman! Eve! WOW! You REALLY outdid yourself with her!"
God replied in a loving tone "Thank you Adam. I did it because I love you."
"Tell me, Lord, why did you make her face so beautiful?"
"So that you could look upon her, and love her."
"And why, Lord, is her skin so soft and warm"
"Adam, so that you could touch her, and love her."
"And Lord, why is her voice more lovely than a bird's song?"
"So that you could listen to her, and love her."
"Then Lord, why is it that you made her so frickin stupid?"
"Ahhh, Adam" God replied patiently, "That is so SHE could love YOU!"

*quietly copies joke for later use* :D

I may be a man, but I can actually think about something other than sports, violence, and cars long enough to know that a woman would have to have some sort of mental deficiency to put up with me... ;)

Note: This post may not have been entirely serious. Take it seriously at your own risk.

I'm 23.

Then your tests wouldn't have been the same as the ones that were given decades ago. Lucky you. :)

Then your tests wouldn't have been the same as the ones that were given decades ago. Lucky you. :)

I recall my dad had to take Grammar school IQ tests when he was young, would those have these cultural biases?

I recall my dad had to take Grammar school IQ tests when he was young, would those have these cultural biases?

Not necessarily, but his odds of having heavy cultural bias in an IQ test are certainly greater than yours. If your grandparents have sufficient academic experience to have taken an IQ test or other test that purports to measure intelligence, then it's almost certain that there were significant cultural biases in the tests.

I've taken 3 seperate IQ tests,


Never had to do that.


Nope, didn't have to do that.


I had to read an pronounce some mildly obscure words (Beatify was one), none of the words were class-exclusive imho.



You're just making stuff up now :D

I'm dead serious. I got this from a collection of essays by the prominent biologist Richard Lewontin, called "It Ain't Necessarily So" (a good book to counter the fallacies of genetic determinism you get from people like Richard Dawkins and which are very common in the non-scientific media). He seems to be talking about tests some time ago, but most of these sorts of studies include test results from several decades ago.

The cultural biases actually go so far that the book explains that the question about "which is prettier" actually presented a "choice between a girl with some Negroid features and another with a doll-like European face". As to defining words, knowing a word is an indicator of knowledge acquired, not basic intellectual ability, which is what IQ claims to measure.

In the past, even the administration of tests was dodgy. For instance, the US army administered some intelligence tests in WW1 - but in an intimidating atmosphere, giving complex commands just once and in military style, in English, to men many of whom were recent immigrants and some of whom had never even held a pencil.

Based on this, we should look long and hard at any study which uses IQ tests, especially test results from the past.

Does it matter? Who cares if women are smarter than men or men are smater than women. I thought the battle of the sexes died long ago. Both sexes have their smart and dumb people, thats a given. But does it really matter if one sex has 1% more smarter people than the other? I think not.

Also, why are people so quick to discredit this? If the comparisons were between people of similar backround, even if the questions were biased based on race, it would be biased both ways and would generaly be correct in the gap. If it used tests from the 60s to today, then it still has some credibility. I will admit that I will wait for the full report to come out to say if it is correct or not, but I still dont think we should throw it to the side so quickly.

Does it matter? Who cares if women are smarter than men or men are smater than women. I thought the battle of the sexes died long ago. Both sexes have their smart and dumb people, thats a given. But does it really matter if one sex has 1% more smarter people than the other? I think not.

That is a good point. Even if you could prove conclusively that men are better in every measure of mental ability you would never be justified in assuming that any particular man is smarter than a particular woman.

Can't be bothered to read this whole thread just now, since it's obviously nothing more or less than a tantrum by Terrified Penises Annonymous, but in case nobody else has pointed it out:

This o-so-scientific study was put out by the same chaps who put out the thoroughly-trounced Bell Curve a while back. They've switched their tune from racism to sexism, but they're using all the same flawed processes and shoddy reasoning. No real scientist could possibly look at this work and do anything other than burst into laughter.

Hooray men are better at IQ tests than women! Being good at IQ tests is incredibly important in all walks of life, I'm glad I'm a man, I need never fear an IQ test!!!!

Can't be bothered to read this whole thread just now, since it's obviously nothing more or less than a tantrum by Terrified Penises Annonymous...

My Penis is not cowed by your cliche'd insult, a tactic only an unimaginative fee-male would try.

Now if you don't mind I'm busy dragging this woman back to my cave...

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/men/news/s/171/171266_men_smarter_than_women.html

Just what I always thought, and now it's official! I guess you feminists can take your "women liberation" to the moon now. Men, rejoice!

5 IQ points is not exactly a major difference. I always though feminism was about social equality not genetic equality.

Nice to know though....

I will use a semi-quote from carlos mencia: "Fear men with their evil penises of death!"

In my opinion, IQ tests are complete bullshit.
As the old cliche goes "All IQ tests prove is that you're good at filling out IQ tests".
I'm not even convinced about the "men being better at math and women better at language" thing. Back at school just over a decade ago it was the girls who were better at math by a longshot and, as a bloke, I myself am currently a student of - on and off - 4 foreign languages at present with a degree in one of those).

All IQ tests seem to do is focus on some so-called "details" of academia that society seems to focus on.

I think that something that Terry Pratchett wrote was quite pertinent:
"If Australian Aborigines drafted an IQ test, the entire of Western Civilization would fail it".

I've got nothing to prove, so, to use the vernacular, I don't give a rat's a$$ how intelligent some test thinks I am, or if my gender is predisposed towards being good at IQ tests.
The old 1980's TV series "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" (and not the, in my opinion, sh*tter movie) had a quote which I think that anyone analysing me would say, and it's from Zaphod's analyst: "He's...just this guy".

Besides, I like intelligent women (sexy women also, but that's something for another discussion )

Can't be bothered to read this whole thread just now, since it's obviously nothing more or less than a tantrum by Terrified Penises Annonymous.

*raises hand*

I have a penis and i'm not terrified.

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/men/news/s/171/171266_men_smarter_than_women.html
I am going to skip over the debate over whether this is accurate or not, and address some points that I don't believe have been addressed yet.
I guess you feminists can take your "women liberation" to the moon now.
How smart women on average are has little to do with whether they should get equal rights. In most countries, aren't equal rights for all people law?
So why would average intelligence affect what rights should be given women?
Men, rejoice!
Why would men rejoice that women are less intelligent? Would guys seriously want to date/marry/have sex with idiots?
If so, why? I can't imagine how that would be fun.

Also, there is the fact that this is just an average. If it is true, it does not mean that all women are less intelligent than men, it simply means that there are more less-intelligent women than there are less-intelligent men. There are still women who are intelligent.

Couple that with this bit:
The intelligence gap, he said, was so small it would make no difference in the way men and women carried out their jobs, although it could make a difference in jobs requiring exceptional levels of intelligence, explaining why fewer women have won Nobel science prizes.
I believe that says that the gap would make almost no difference in general?

Sorry, but the whole 'Feminism is over!' thing won't fly.

So if I believed in the validity of the standard IQ test as a measure of intelligence, then yes, this study would be proof that men are smarter than women.
I don't and it's not.

Amestria']First of all this is just one study, and one using information from 40 years ago...

"Academics analysed the results of 80,000 cognitive ability tests, conducted on people from 20 countries from the 1960s to the present day."

i wonder how much of the difference came from the earlier tests back in the time when women routinely pretended to be less intelligent than they really were so as not to scare men away.


feminism has already won. its so accepted that you would be hard pressed to find anyone who is not in complete agreement with the basic tenets of feminism. it isnt going away.

Oh good. Now that it have been "proved" that men are smarter than woman, women must bow down before men. Mind you, all white men will have to bow down before the Japanese who who have been "proven" to trump Europeans when it comes to I.Q.

I for one welcome our new Nipponese overlords.

Watashi wa dai chin chin ga hoshi des.

I'm not even convinced about the "men being better at math and women better at language" thing. Back at school just over a decade ago it was the girls who were better at math by a longshot and, as a bloke, I myself am currently a student of - on and off - 4 foreign languages at present with a degree in one of those).
If you look at the bottom 10% of any English or reading class it will almost always be all male students.
Girls tend to do better in school (at least elementary and middle school) because they don't need as much physical activity to avoid being restless and inattentive. That's why all boys and all girls schools tend to have better test scores, the teachers can focus on a specific gender.
Women have to be better at language, they feel obligated to say more words per day than men.
And it makes sense on an evolutionary level too. There is little doubt that men tended to hunt more. Hunting requires spacial thinking, spacial thinking helps with geometry and with math in general.

And plus, if men and women didn't think differently, they would understand each other.

Now I'm not trying to be sexist or anything, I'm just regurgitation my accumulated knowledge on gender differences.

Some mitigating research results you should all know about>

http://www.gonomad.com/readuponit/2005/08/like-song-says-women-are-smarter.html

Christopher Clarke, the president of a headhunting company cites studies showing that women are better at performing many things at once, or multitasking, and that they have more sophisticated emotional intelligence, like being able to recognize another person's feelings more accurately than men.

"There's a lot of evidence that says that women are superior in evaluating people, in managing their ego, in calming aggression in others," Clarke said in an interview

and this: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/GD27Dj02.html

Women make fewer mistakes than men when investing their money, and are more likely to learn from errors

or this: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1175/is_3_34/ai_73537484

girls have proven to be better than boys academically--in a national exam taken by 16-year-olds, 50% of girls scored a C or better compared with only approximately 40% of boys

Then there's this: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_8_97/ai_59187655#continue

"Women have a higher percentage of tissue devoted to computation than men. Men have a greater proportion of tissue assigned to the transfer of information between distant regions."

The recent study found that women have a higher proportion of "gray matter" than men. Men have a higher proportion of "white matter."

Gray matter is where computation takes place with nearby regions in the brain. White matter is responsible for the communication between groups of cells in different areas of the brain.

Not done yet: http://www.sobran.com/wanderer/w2005/w050127.shtml


On standardized tests, as is well known, women outscore men in verbal skills, while men outscore women in math and science

Yep, still more: http://www.gender.org.uk/about/07neur/77_diffs.htm

females are superior in language, verbal fluency, speed of articulation and grammar, also arithmetic calculation. Their perceptual speed, for instance in matching items is better, and so is their manual precision.

And especially this, from the same article:

It may be that we are labelling the mental organisation in terms of the rather limited tests we are applying - we look for something, so we find it.

There's more, but i figure this is enough to make my point.

(As for my own stance, I am not a 'feminist' because I think making generalizations about groups of people (whether it be gender, race, or whatever) and then applying those generalizations to individuals is folly.

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/men/news/s/171/171266_men_smarter_than_women.html

Just what I always thought, and now it's official! I guess you feminists can take your "women liberation" to the moon now. Men, rejoice!


matcho man are scared about women got my laugh.

why bee scared for every man/women have a equal chance.

While men may have a higher IQ than women, women definitely have a higher EQ than men. Men are also generally more aggressive and stubborn. While many of the world's greatest leaders were men, the worst ones were also men.

I don't see why there needs to be a big fuss highlighting the DIFFERENCES between men and women. At the end of the day, we are just humans, we live off the same planet, breathe the same air, and die the same ways.

Watashi wa dai chin chin ga hoshi des.

that's the problem with romanji... you can literally write like you want. I was told to write desU. Meh, someone should invent better/more rules for romanji...

that's the problem with romanji... you can literally write like you want. I was told to write desU.

Thank you. Yes, I should have spelt it with a U.

I am very sorry.

Watashi no kobito o tabenai.

I was always wondering why these super feminists
and even regular feminists always seem to be the bitchy
type? can anybody explain that to me?
Its like we men have to bow down to all of their
demands and treat them like gods.

Hehe, as good ol Rush Limbaugh once said,
"Oh, I love the feminist movement, especially from the rear."

If you look at the bottom 10% of any English or reading class it will almost always be all male students.
Girls tend to do better in school (at least elementary and middle school) because they don't need as much physical activity to avoid being restless and inattentive. That's why all boys and all girls schools tend to have better test scores, the teachers can focus on a specific gender.
Women have to be better at language, they feel obligated to say more words per day than men.
And it makes sense on an evolutionary level too. There is little doubt that men tended to hunt more. Hunting requires spacial thinking, spacial thinking helps with geometry and with math in general.

And plus, if men and women didn't think differently, they would understand each other.

Now I'm not trying to be sexist or anything, I'm just regurgitation my accumulated knowledge on gender differences.

Well it all goes back to the old days of cavemen times I guess.
The males of the group usually did most of the hunting and that ment long days out in the bush or forest just to catch something. They had to be more aggressive just to compete with other males or males from other tribes or whatever, and they had to use ingenuity to get stuff done. Why is it that a lot of the new inventions that we use today were mostly, (Im not saying all of them), made by a man. You have to admit, If you put a regular guy and a regular girl and dumped them in a forest with only a pack of matches and a hunting knife, the guy would probably survive the longest. (Not to offend any females here)

I was always wondering why these super feminists
and even regular feminists always seem to be the bitchy
type? can anybody explain that to me?
Its like we men have to bow down to all of their
demands and treat them like gods.

Hehe, as good ol Rush Limbaugh once said,
"Oh, I love the feminist movement, especially from the rear."

a bitch is the woman who said NO to you.

a bitch is the woman who said NO to you.

Ah, touche!
No, seriously though, its like most of them act like they are all
hots#it and its like you just try talking to them normally, or
you say something minor about them and they get all pshyco
bitchy in your face about the smallest things! And they wont
let it go! It's like they are on PMS 24/7!!

Ah, touche!
No, seriously though, its like most of them act like they are all
hots#it and its like you just try talking to them normally, or
you say something minor about them and they get all pshyco
bitchy in your face about the smallest things! And they wont
let it go! It's like they are on PMS 24/7!!
maybe you hang with the wrong crowd if you meet so many mean women.

or maybe your social skills arent as good as you think they are.

maybe you hang with the wrong crowd if you meet so many mean women.

or maybe your social skills arent as good as you think they are.

I dont mean like I hang out with them,
or anything, its just that at my college the fem
club is really wacked! I have also visited
a college in Oakland California, damn, I forgot
what the name of it was, but its a super lib
college, and the fems were almost militant.
Why is it when they show a feminist protest
on the news, they always have a couple
of them always screaming like they are a part of hamas
or something? Just a few AKs and I could swear its from
Palestine.

Feminism is more about choice and respecting women as a whole. Unfortunatly the fundie fems are just idiots preaching not feminism but woman supremecy.

Not everyone was created equal, but everyone has the right to become equal.

ahh thank you!
I do respect women, but I do not
respect women who do not respect me!
I think the fundi fems are well,
ruining the image of the original
idea!
Thanks again, for your thoughts!

I dont mean like I hang out with them,
or anything, its just that at my college the fem
club is really wacked! I have also visited
a college in Oakland California, damn, I forgot
what the name of it was, but its a super lib
college, and the fems were almost militant.
Why is it when they show a feminist protest
on the news, they always have a couple
of them always screaming like they are a part of hamas
or something? Just a few AKs and I could swear its from
Palestine.

People DO tend to scream at protests. And there are still things to protest about. :rolleyes:

I dont mean like I hang out with them,
or anything, its just that at my college the fem
club is really wacked! I have also visited
a college in Oakland California, damn, I forgot
what the name of it was, but its a super lib
college, and the fems were almost militant.
Why is it when they show a feminist protest
on the news, they always have a couple
of them always screaming like they are a part of hamas
or something? Just a few AKs and I could swear its from
Palestine.
oh bluz im sorry that i doubted you. i had given up on the notion that anyone on this forum would ever be aware of the one place unreasonable radical feminism actually exists

i put it off to youthful enthusiasm. it pretty much goes away after college when they are in the work world and have to face actual situations that arent black and white.

oh bluz im sorry that i doubted you. i had given up on the notion that anyone on this forum would ever be aware of the one place unreasonable radical feminism actually exists

i put it off to youthful enthusiasm. it pretty much goes away after college when they are in the work world and have to face actual situations that arent black and white.

Yeah, radical student feminists do a very good job of convincing the average person that feminism is all about man-hating, when their cause can only be successful with popular support. Reminds me of fundamentalist Christians who feel the need to protest against films and musicians they disagree with and in the process just give them free advertising.

Feminists are taking over.
All they need is a nice :sniper: to stop us going :headbang:
Anybody agree?

Lol - nah they don't need a :sniper:, women are less prone to violence, we just keep our bras off (from all the bra burning) and the man's IQ goes to mush.

It is a scientific fat that women hear more tones and inflections than a man does - which allows us to have more insight and ability to control a situation through discussion. Men openly admit they almost always lose a conversation to a woman. Just ask my husband.

We also remember all the arguments a man lost while a man tends to forget that even though we say we forgive them, it's not over :p

We constantly have to remind them of things they should remember:
Bring flowers and chocolate after losing an argument that they knew they'd lose (from previous history) if they want any :fluffle:
Trash day - it's the same day every week guys :gundge:
Hang up towels so they can dry off, they don't jump off the floor all dry and smelling nice for you to use :(
The wallet is always in the pants on the floor from the previous day :headbang:

Oh and why are all blonde jokes one liners?

So men can remember them ;)

Starry