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I call BS on "Juba"

ARF-COM and IBTL
28-08-2005, 07:12
I'm calling BS on this "juba" character. He's no "super sniper" or whatever mythical attributes the Communist Daily or ACN can give him. 300yds? Please. US marines train on M16 rifles-their STANDARD battle rifles out to 500 yards and are expected to hit something. I could even hit a man-sized target most of the time at 300 yards, and that's with irons and no optics. Us and british snipers are deadly out to 1100 yards with the 308/338 Lapau, and the .50 takes it out to 3000 yards.

Also-please not the two sources for the articles. One is Aztlan, a virulent anti-American terrorist group commited to violently retaking the Southwestern half of the United states because they beleive it was never theirs to begin with, and that somehow the Emperor or Whoever was in Charge of Mexico at the time was wrong.

The other is the Guardian, a British owned Communist newspaper. Enough said. These are the only two newspaper sources I was able to find, and from the sources my BS meter has already gone off the chart. From some research I've done, it is NOT possible to "blow the spine out" by hitting the area on the body where the body armor ends. The 7.62x39 M43 FMJ russian cartridge does not have shape or ballistics to do that either.

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Los Angeles, Alta California - August 23, 2005 - (ACN) The USA mainstream media is "filtering" the news coming out of Iraq. It is not reporting on certain items deemed by the Pentagon to be detrimental to the morale of US troops or their families back home. Conspicuously absent are any reports on "Juba", a sniper who has been terrorizing US soldiers in Baghdad for months. Juba is the name given by US forces to a superbly trained insurgent sniper who has already killed at least 19 GI's including four US Marine snipers in one day.

No US soldier has ever seen Juba. They only hear one distinctive shot from a Tabuk sniper rifle (An Iraqi sniper rifle based on the Soviet Kalashnikov but fitted with a long barrel and a muzzle brake. It uses the 7.62mm Kalashnikov cartridge) and the next thing they see is another GI slumping down dead. The hit is usually to the head but Juba also aims at gaps in the GI's body armor. He has been known to hit his mark from 300 yards which is the length of three football fields. Juba takes only one shot and then disappears.

US troops who scramble to find Juba soon after he has struck find only his trademark that consists of a single 7.62mm Kalashnikov cartridge casing with a handwritten note. The note, in Arabic, says, "What has been taken in blood cannot be regained except by blood". The note is signed, "The Baghdad Sniper".

Juba is now a mythic hero to the Iraqi resistance. Word on the streets of Baghdad, from those who know Juba, is that his rifle is running out of space to add more "notches" that signify US occupation soldiers he has killed. Juba is now training an "elite" insurgent sniper squad that will target personnel coming in and out from Baghdad's Green Zone.

A particular worrisome development for USA based warmongers is a CIA intelligence report that says that a superbly trained Islamic sniper squad is on its way to the USA. According to the report, the Al-Ikhwan Al-Moslemoon (Muslim Brotherhood)is preparing to send a highly trained sniper squad to the USA that will target, at first, the lower and middle level leadership of the Islamophobic organizations that cater to the Zionists. This, we presume, includes the lackeys of the Zionists on radio and television. A few weeks ago, these puppets of Israel added insult to injury when they went on a vile tirade in support of the "toilet flushers" of the Holy Koran at Guantanamo. Many of these radio talk jockeys are not Jews but they act as mouthpieces for their employers who are. One of these virulent pundits for the Zionists said over the airwaves, "US soldiers at Guantanamo should have used the pages of the Koran to wipe their asses!"

La Voz de Aztlan received an e-mail from one of our subscribers in Saudi Arabia concerning the CIA report. Ali bin Ahmed bin Saleh Al-Fulani wrote that the Islamic sniper squad should include Congressman Tom Tancredo of the Colorado 6th Congressional District as one of its first targets. Tancredo recently made a public statement proposing that the USA "nuke" Mecca. "Nuke" means blasting a city with a nuclear bomb as was done to Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Mecca is Islam's holiest cities where millions of Muslims make a yearly religious pilgrimage. Ali added, "Instead of nuking the entire 6th congressional district and killing hundreds of thousands innocent civilians, a sniper should "nuke' Tancredo's ass with one 7.62mm Kalashnikov bullet hardened with depleted uranium!" Depleted uranium utilized in USA military projectiles has caused horrendous deformities in Iraqi babies.


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Elusive sniper saps US morale in Baghdad
Commanders weigh their options as 'Juba' notches up more kills
Rory Carroll in Baghdad
Friday August 5, 2005
The Guardian
www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1542824,00.html
They have never seen Juba. They hear him, but by then it's too late: a shot rings out and another US soldier slumps dead or wounded.
There is never a follow-up shot, never a chance for US forces to identify the origin, to make the hunter the hunted. He fires once and vanishes.

Juba is the nickname given by American forces to an insurgent sniper operating in southern Baghdad. They do not know his appearance, nationality or real name, but they know and fear his skill.

"He's good," said Specialist Travis Burress, 22, a sniper with the 1-64 battalion based in Camp Rustamiyah. "Every time we dismount I'm sure everyone has got him in the back of their minds. He's a serious threat to us."
Gun attacks occasionally pepper the battalion's foot and mounted patrols, but the single crack of what is thought to be a Tobuk sniper rifle inspires particular dread.

Since February, the killing of at least two members of the battalion and the wounding of six more have been attributed to Juba. Some think it is also he that has picked off up to a dozen other soldiers.

In a war marked by sectarian bombings and civilian casualties, Juba is unusual in targeting only coalition troops, a difficult quarry protected by armoured vehicles, body armour and helmets.

He waits for soldiers to dismount, or stand up in a Humvee turret, and aims for gaps in their body armour, the lower spine, ribs or above the chest. He has killed from 200 metres away.

"It was the perfect shot," the battalion commander, Lt Col Kevin Farrell, said of one incident. "Blew out the spine.

"We have different techniques to try to lure him out, but he is very well trained and very patient. He doesn't fire a second shot."

Some in the battalion want marksmen to occupy rooftops overlooking supply routes, Juba's hunting ground, to try to put him in the cross-hairs.

"It would be a pretty shitty assignment because he's good," said Spc Burress. "I think it's a sniper's job to get a sniper, and it'd probably take all of us to get him."

American snipers operate in teams of at least two people, a shooter and a spotter, the latter requiring more experience since he must use complicated formulae to calculate factors such as wind strength and drag coefficients.

Some worry that Juba is on his way to becoming a resistance hero, acclaimed by those Iraqis who distinguish between "good" insurgents, who target only Americans, and "bad" insurgents who harm civilians.

The insurgent grapevine celebrates an incident last June when a four-strong marine scout sniper team was killed in Ramadi, all with shots to the head.

Unlike their opponents, US snipers in Baghdad seldom get to shoot. Typically they hide on rooftops and use thermal imaging and night vision equipment to monitor areas. If there is suspicious activity, they summon aircraft or ground patrols.

"We are professionals. There is a line between a maniac with a gun and a sniper," said Mike, 31, a corporal with a reconnaissance sniper platoon who did not want to his surname to be used.

He spoke during a 24-hour mission on a roof during which his team ate junk food and urinated into a bottle. During daylight they lay on the ground, immobile, to avoid being seen. "It's not a glamorous life," he said.

There was no sign of Juba, who tended to operate further east, but the team spotted mortar flashes and fed the coordinates to base.

Mike said he had shot 14 people in Somalia, three in Afghanistan and one in Iraq. "It's not like you expect it to be, an emotional high. You just think about the wind, the range, then it's over with."

Sniper fire is only of the threats for an American military that has suffered heavy losses this week.

Yesterday another soldier was killed in Ramadi, west of Baghdad, adding to the 21 who died in attacks on Monday and Wednesday.

Roadside bombs account for most of the lives lost, and the size and design of the explosions has led investigators to conclude that the insurgents are learning bombmaking methods from other terrorist organisations.

Yesterday's New York Times reported that the techniques used by Hezbollah in Lebanon were increasingly being seen in roadside bombs in Iraq.

An unnamed senior American commander quoted by the paper said bombs using shaped charges closely matched the bombs that Hezbollah used against Israel.

"Our assessment is that they are probably going off to 'school' to learn how to make bombs that can destroy armoured vehicles," he said.

Therefore,

ARF-COM and IBTL calls BS on "juba".
Is Juba Aaaarabic for "I love goats"
Tactical Grace
28-08-2005, 07:16
The Guardian is not communist, as you would realise if you had ever read more than one article from it. :rolleyes: It supported Tony Blair's election and re-election for a start. Just not his second re-election, although they did actually write a couple of favourable editorials.

So while you may be correct in saying that Iraqi snipers are crap, you make yourself look like a complete idiot for failing to understand your sources.
Falhaar
28-08-2005, 07:17
Is Juba Aaaarabic for "I love goats" As Jon Stewart would say; Whaaaaaaa?
Jeruselem
28-08-2005, 07:18
Juba Arabic is form of Arabic used by Southern Sudan :D
ARF-COM and IBTL
28-08-2005, 07:37
As Jon Stewart would say; Whaaaaaaa?

ROPers love their goats.....and not for milk or food.......

Okay not communist.

Socialist.

But then again, from over here almost anything over there is far left of where the US is at.
Falhaar
28-08-2005, 07:44
ROPers love their goats.....and not for milk or food.......

Okay not communist.

Socialist.

But then again, from over here almost anything over there is far left of where the US is at. I'm sorry, you've lost me. ROP?
Grampus
28-08-2005, 07:47
The other is the Guardian, a British owned Communist newspaper.

* Points and laughs. *

Okay not communist.

Socialist.

Better, but still kind of wrong. 'Leftist' might be a better description.
Sumamba Buwhan
28-08-2005, 07:51
omgz0rz

nooooooooooo

it's those dirty deceitful blood sucking baby killing lying communist/socialist dogs. they're taking over the globe with underhanded leftist media!11

argh

where's cointelpro when you need it?
Dobbsworld
28-08-2005, 07:51
But then again, from over here almost anything over there is far left of where the US is at.
From where you are, the entire planet is Marxist.
Tactical Grace
28-08-2005, 07:57
From where you are, the entire planet is Marxist.
I just sprayed a mouthful of Coke onto the carpet! :D

BTW, the Guardian publishes stock market info. Just looking at Friday's Forex numbers now, and the top 800 FTSE companies. I'm sure they only publish it to show the Party Faithful just how degenerate Western capitalist ways are. :p
OceanDrive2
28-08-2005, 08:03
... "super sniper"...?
*snip...

No US soldier has ever seen Juba. They only hear one distinctive shot from a Tabuk sniper rifle and the next thing they see is another GI slumping down dead. The hit is usually to the headIve seen Juba...In fact I took a picture...

http://www.omelete.com.br/imagens/cinema/artigos/star_wars_ep2/jango_fett.jpg
Juba Fett...death from abobe.
Dobbsworld
28-08-2005, 08:20
I just sprayed a mouthful of Coke onto the carpet! :D

...And still yet another patch of pristine broadloom is sullied. I've got some kind of Midas Touch today - :eek:
ARF-COM and IBTL
28-08-2005, 23:07
From where you are, the entire planet is Marxist.

I dunno, seeing as how if you go either way-south you get South America and Chavez/Venezuela, East and you get the Russian/Chinese Alliance, West and you get France/Germany......

Atleast my favorite countries are still OK....
Tactical Grace
28-08-2005, 23:23
I dunno, seeing as how if you go either way-south you get South America and Chavez/Venezuela, East and you get the Russian/Chinese Alliance, West and you get France/Germany......

Atleast my favorite countries are still OK....
Venezuela is democratic socialist.

Russia and China are now fascist. China keeps calling itself communist, but only to avoid the collapse that would result if they admitted to the reality on the ground. They have to keep up the pretence of political continuity in order to survive. As for Russia, party names such as Fatherland All Russia, Union of Right Forces and Unity, do not conjure up images of leftist thought. Even the Liberal Democrat Party, sitting even further to the right, is a nazi party in all but name.

France and Germany are capitalist. They aren't even socialist. The current French President is a right-winger who committed fraud (what's more capitalist than that?) and was only elected because the socialist bloc wanted to keep the fascist candidate out, and he happened to be the lesser of two evils. Germany has been trying to integrate ex-communist East Germany into itself for the last 15 years, so I think they can be forgiven for being a little bit centrist on a few economic matters.

Your mistake is to label everything to the left of your far-right political position as communist, without even understanding anything about the countries in question.
Gymoor II The Return
28-08-2005, 23:41
Excellent post Tactical.

I have one question of the original poster. You say you're calling B.S. on this Juba character, and then you go on to prove that the reports of his sniping are actually at rather short range. It's kinda silly to say, "this sniper can't exist because snipers can actually hit things from farther away!"

I'm not saying Juba exists, I'm merely calling into question your logic.
Dobbsworld
29-08-2005, 00:54
I dunno, it all sounds rather suspiciously like the screenplay to a B-grade film to me. Here's what the preview would sound like, with the gravelly-voiced announcer and all:

*sound of howling desert winds*

a whispering voice : Juba!

He walks unseen. *sniper's eye-view tracking soldier*

a whispering voice :Juba!

He never shoots twice. *soldier crumples*

a whispering voice :Juba!

He disappears without trace. *shocked fellow troops whirl in amazement*

Until now. *cue techno music, rapid-cut sequence of action footage interspersed with cheesy T&A shots of female lead*

The hunt is on. *poignant one-liner from male lead interspersed with explosions and more T&A shots of female lead*

The Legend of Juba. *close-up of Juba's face, extreme pullback and z/out*

a whispering voice : Jubaaaaaaaaaaa!

*outtakes from climactic hand-to-hand confrontation between lead male and Juba, poignant one-liner from female lead*

Coming Soon.

*very large explosion*
Vetalia
29-08-2005, 00:55
-snip-

Don't forget the three or four sequels made within the next 5 years. :D
Non Aligned States
29-08-2005, 01:00
Don't forget the three or four sequels made within the next 5 years. :D

Mmm, Hollywood and the news media have been exchanging notes I see :P.
Vetalia
29-08-2005, 01:01
Mmm, Hollywood and the news media have been exchanging notes I see :P.

It's all the same these days... ;)
Gymoor II The Return
29-08-2005, 01:07
Mmm, Hollywood and the news media have been exchanging notes I see :P.

Together with the White House.
Tactical Grace
29-08-2005, 01:16
I can see it now...only a blonde woman sniper with enormous breasts and skin-tight combats has the uber skillz needed to stop him. :D

In order to do this, she will be doing a lot of lying down and crawling. :p
Dobbsworld
29-08-2005, 01:29
I can see it now...only a blonde woman sniper with enormous breasts and skin-tight combats has the uber skillz needed to stop him. :D

In order to do this, she will be doing a lot of lying down and crawling. :p
Through pools of motor oil... in a pushup bra and an improbably large gun slung across her back...