NationStates Jolt Archive

Justify your answer.

Edit: I meant to include a poll, but my attempt failed, so here is a makeshift one:

• People of faith (for instance, Christians)
• Atheists

Athiests, I myself am one. Believe me, i find some christians that when they find out im an athiest, they go all out on me about hell, Jesus, etc. Most people who are christian dont get ragged on like that by athiests, expect in debates, of course.

I don't live in America, to be honest, but I doubt that either group is persecuted there.

Atheists, especially down here in the South, since people are predominantly Christian and religion is well established as the 'norm'. I'm an Atheist, and my family thinks there's something seriously wrong with me. I was even forced to attend church services while under the roof of my parents. My uncle is gay, and they look down upon him so much that he can't maintain any relationship without completely isolating himself.

• People of faith (for instance, Christians)
• Atheists

Women

:rolleyes:
Neither group is persecuted here.
Both groups are constantly annoying each other with rhetoric about who's beliefs are correct.

Atheists will say they are more persecuted and many of my fellow Christians will say that they are more persecuted. It is human nature to play the victim. Many feel it gives their cause or ideas legitimacy.
Women
:rolleyes:

Persecuted?

Christians, go and live in Ancient Rome.
Atheists, live in Spain a few hundred years ago.

That is persecution.
I get attacked for my beliefs a lot, but I don't mind.

They are persecuted by each other equally as severely. However, it's only the fundamentalists in the two groups that really make a big deal of the others' beliefs.

Women

Yeah, the world's largest minority group.

Tell me, are there any laws that specifically discriminate against Christians, atheists or women? If not, I would say that none of them is really persecuted. Being preached to and being forced to do what your parents say aren't exactly forms of persecution.

Yeah, the world's largest minority group..

Actually, I think there are more women than men in the world.:p

first, we need to define "persecuted"

They are persecuted by each other equally as severely. However, it's only the fundamentalists in the two groups that really make a big deal of the others' beliefs.
How is it possible to be a fundamentalist atheist? There's no doctrine to be fundamental about.

The gerbils are the real victims, nobody ever thinks about them. :(

Environmentalists. Number one on the terrorist list, apparently.

Neither to my knowledge is persecuted. Where I live in the NE, the religous are more apt to ridiculed if they make their beliefs known and they happen to be Christians (Wiccans, Hindus, Pagans and Budhists are fine, TMers and Scientologists are in boat as Christians). Seems to be mostly a regional thing though, and only describes tendencies not absolutes in this region.

Actually, I think there are more women than men in the world.:p
Yea, but they're treated as a minority.

How is it possible to be a fundamentalist atheist? There's no doctrine to be fundamental about.
Don’t pretend you don’t know what he is talking about.
Atheists who, for whatever reason, completely reject anything supernatural and believe that science can explain everything in time and don’t shut up about it.

How is it possible to be a fundamentalist atheist? There's no doctrine to be fundamental about.

"Fundamentalist" in its colliquial sense; a person so obsessed with the ideology they hold that they disregard all logic, maintain an attitude of superiority, and attempt to force everyone to hold their same beliefs through fear, force, or condescension.

Tell me, are there any laws that specifically discriminate against Christians, atheists or women?

Yes.
http://www.thetalentshow.org/archives/000637.html

Yea, but they're treated as a minority.

More often than not, it's the influential minority that dominates the majority.

Environmentalists. Number one on the terrorist list, apparently.
*sigh*
ALF and ELF are.
Two groups that are responsible for fire bombing medical testing facilities and stealing animals are number one on the domestic terrorist list.
You won’t find PETA, Green Peace, the Sierra Club, the Arbor Foundation or any other environmental group on the list.

• People of faith (for instance, Christians)
• Atheists

Atheists. The Christians just have a persecution complex.

The new slogan of the religious right: "Help! Help! I'm being opressed!"

*sigh*
ALF and ELF are.
Two groups that are responsible for fire bombing medical testing facilities and stealing animals are number one on the domestic terrorist list.
You won’t find PETA, Green Peace, the Sierra Club, the Arbor Foundation or any other environmental group on the list.
Animal rights activists =/= environmentalists. And I was thinking more of Earth First.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to surgically remove my tongue from my cheek. It hurts.

Difficult to answer.

on one hand, you have the Athiests screaming that people are shoving religion down their throats. Everytime a JW or A Cross is placed, or even what was once considered normal symbols are now suddenly expounded as religous and thus should be removed.

on the other hand, you have the religious people being told to shut up, they are being attacked at every corner and building, for things the general public decided upon is suddenly called religous and thus must be removed. These attacks hide behind the law and at times becomes nitpicking in nature and methods.

to me, both sides are being overly sensitive and the battles are being instigated by people who just want either A) Publicity, B) Money, and C) Fanatics on both sides who are seeing everything as a personal attack on them by the other side.

Women
I'm not surprised you got the roll-eyes in response, but I think in the current political climate with the intense pressure to roll back women's rights, you may be right. It's at least worthy of discussion.

I'm not aware of any religious group being persecuted in the US - certainly not by the literal definition of the word, and even then on such an isolated basis that it's not worth mentioning.

Social disapproval by a few is not the same as persecution.

Animal rights activists =/= environmentalists. And I was thinking more of Earth First.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to surgically remove my tongue from my cheek. It hurts.
Well then, environmentalists aren’t on the top of the list, animal rights activists are.

Justify your answer.

Edit: I meant to include a poll, but my attempt failed, so here is a makeshift one:

• People of faith (for instance, Christians)
• Atheists
People of faiths OTHER than Christianity are persecuted roughly as much as atheists are. Christians are only persecuted if you believe that holding all three branches of government, almost every major corporation, and a majority of media constitutes "oppression."

I'm not surprised you got the roll-eyes in response, but I think in the current political climate with the intense pressure to roll back women's rights, you may be right. It's at least worthy of discussion.
What are you talking about? Women have more rights than men.
Some Reasons:
They don’t have to register for the draft
Women who are convicted of abusive or sexual crimes get much lighter sentences than men.
Recent studies have shown that women make equal to or more than men when they do the same job.
Affirmative Action

Both need to be smacked upside the head, any other questions? Damn I love being an agnostic.

I'm not aware of any religious group being persecuted in the US - certainly not by the literal definition of the word, and even then on such an isolated basis that it's not worth mentioning.

Social disapproval by a few is not the same as persecution.
Then how come when my cul... I mean religion applied for tax exempt status I had to have them commit suicide? (I was last and descided against it) ;)

the anti-Christians seem to be more vocal and litigious lately, especially about monuments and crosses that have been in place for many years...

article in Washington Times cited about anti-religious legal actions (http://www.aclj.org/News/Read.aspx?ID=1472)

article in WorldNetDaily about man fired for writing op/ed on own time (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44961)


I could probably keep searching and citing if I was not so bored by the topic. It is normal for people to discriminate against and persecute Christians, in what ever country they reside. Won't end, and neither will persecution of Jews, cause we both believe in the same God, the God of the Bible. And many people really don't want to be reminded of him, at all, ever...

Wonder why, if he is just as fictitious as Zeus or Marduk or Taimat?

Oh, well, I will now spray myself with troll-be-gone, and disappear!
:p