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Here's one for how crazy America is becoming with all this suing-mentality. A doctor calls his patient 'obese' and she is suing him because he tells her to lose some weight. What less offensive term is there when someone is beyond overweight?

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9063638/

Here's one for how crazy America is becoming with all this suing-mentality. A doctor calls his patient 'obese' and she is suing him because he tells her to lose some weight. What less offensive term is there when someone is beyond overweight?

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9063638/
Man, and people wonder why fewer and fewer qualified applicants are looking to go to medical school...who would want to spend 15 years getting trained for a job where you get sued for doing your job?

What less offensive term is there when someone is beyond overweight?

"Too round."?

"Overly spherical."?

"Your centre of balance has unnaturally shifted forward due to uneven weight distribution, and as the condition can have health consequences, I advise a diet."

:p

That's absurd. To sue your doctor for telling the truth? 'Obesity' is an accepted medical term, there's nothing wrong with it. Why sue the man who is trying to help you?

On the other hand, here in Russia it is almost impossible to win a medical malpractice case. I know what I'm talking about--I'm a doctor.

This is absolutely absurd. A Doctor should be allowed to tell a patient that medically their life is in danger by telling them the name of the illness they have-in this case obesity. What next if a docter tell a patient that they have heart disease is too unsensitive??

Odds are the suit and the suer will get tossed out of court. I won't worry unless the suit is actually successful. Anyone can sue, whether a suit has merit or not.

I just wonder how many lawyers the woman had to go to before she found one who would take her case, and her money.

:rolleyes:

Lol.

"Too round."?

"Overly spherical."?

"Your centre of balance has unnaturally shifted forward due to uneven weight distribution, and as the condition can have health consequences, I advise a diet."

:p

How 'bout:

"Perfectly Spherical"
-or-
"Damn it!!! People are supposed to see their toes."
-or-
"Fatty-fatty four-by-four"

Yes, I fnd it stupid that Americans keep suing people for no reason. Ever wondered why there are labels on american products saying stuff that is pretty much obvius, and does not need to be there? Because Ameracans keep suing people for no reason! (No intended offense to american people, execpt the one that sued a doctor for calling her obese)

A person with Surplus Bulk.

Girth Overachiever.

Excessive surface area. (I kinda like this one. :) )

A person with a metabolic backlog. :)

Odds are the suit and the suer will get tossed out of court. I won't worry unless the suit is actually successful. Anyone can sue, whether a suit has merit or not.

I just wonder how many lawyers the woman had to go to before she found one who would take her case, and her money.

:rolleyes:

Sometime, in the not-to-distant-future, a suit will be brought against a doctor that DOESNT warn his patient that they are, in fact, obese and need to change their lifestyle before they begin down the joyful path of physical breakdowns.

"Morbid obese" people are now considered disabled in the US.

Sometime, in the not-to-distant-future, a suit will be brought against a doctor that DOESNT warn his patient that they are, in fact, obese and need to change their lifestyle before they begin down the joyful path of physical breakdowns.

"Morbid obese" people are now considered disabled in the US.

AND THAT PISSES ME OFF!!!

I just wonder how many lawyers the woman had to go to before she found one who would take her case, and her money.


Are you kidding me, a lawyer probably FOUND her.

I live in the UK, and I've gotta say, the litigation issue is on the way to being as bad as it is in the States. Ambulance chasers roam the streets approaching anyone and everyone. They appeal to the worst aspects, of greed and selfishness, that reside in even the best among us.

A culture of blame - of passing the buck - and inhuman, corruptive, greed is upon us. There is very little I can think of to put an end to it. Suggestions?

Yes, I fnd it stupid that Americans keep suing people for no reason. Ever wondered why there are labels on american products saying stuff that is pretty much obvius, and does not need to be there? Because Ameracans keep suing people for no reason! (No intended offense to american people, execpt the one that sued a doctor for calling her obese)

As an American, I completely agree with you.

The country is litigation-happy. It's the reason medical and insurance costs are skyrocketting. Too many people suing doctors, causing them to have higher malpractice premiums (because of course doctors are never human and can do ANYTHING, right?), which causes prices to go up. If you screw with your body (by using all these diet pills, fertility drugs, etc.), there's ALWAYS a chance something bad will occur. DUH! Any intro to biology class would tell you that monkeying with an established system will destabilize said system.

Too many want money for nothing--or for going through something resembling trauma (many times could have been avoided if the person had THOUGHT first).

Bring up the McDonalds coffee incident--yes, the lid was faulty, but if you think about it, why the hell would any sane person put a liquid that is 180-190 degrees (F) BETWEEN THEIR LEGS? Or even one that is 140? That's asking for trouble, on the wisdom meter, and the lady that got hit with it was definitely old enough to have garnered a bit of wisdom by then.

No one is entitled to anything. You take the risk by allowing someone else to work on your body. You accept that risk AND the consequences of being wrong. It's called responsibility.

You can sue medical personel for anything these days. I had a Criminal Law teacher talking to me about how it was illegal to watch something happening and not help out. I informed him of what I was told when I became a paramedic; If you're off-duty, and someone is hurt, you cannot help them. You're not insured, and because of this, any mistakes that lead to a lawsuit are grounds for dismissal.

There was a guy in our department who loosened a neck brace in order to preform a tracheotomy. He saved the man's life, but loosening the brace set him back in his back surgery recovery. He was sued, lost and was fired.

One of the problems is that too many attorneys are willing to bring dubious cases to trial on a contingency fee basis - usually 33% of the settlement value.

Maybe if the claimant had to at least pay court costs if they lose their frivolous suit? At present there is no cost associated with these ridiculous civil suits. Why wouldn't some dimwit sue for millions if it cost them nothing?

We need a better mechanism to discourage frivolous lawsuits, maybe imposing financial risk would help.

How true is this? very. they sue so they can get cash easier. You know that as long as the people are willing to pay, the lawyers will work. :headbang:

This is why I dread going to work some days, it makes me sad to know that even though as a soon to be doctor I'll have to deal with people like this when I'm just trying to help them. Doctors get sued all the time, its rather ridiculous.

Makes me glad to not have any kind of responsibility for anything.

Makes me glad to not have any kind of responsibility for anything.

Glad you posted Maciej, thought since I killed the thread I was going to get sued.

things like this just boggle the mind.

Have any of you actually bothered to read the article linked to? You do all realise there is nothing in the article that implies, much less states, that any law suite has or will occur in relation to the doctor's comments? :confused:

Glad you posted Maciej, thought since I killed the thread I was going to get sued.

Good thing indeed.

Odds are the suit and the suer will get tossed out of court. I won't worry unless the suit is actually successful. ...yeah I wont worry...they will toss out this one...

just like the woman who spilled her hot coffee on herself...

A culture of blame - of passing the buck - and inhuman, corruptive, greed is upon us. There is very little I can think of to put an end to it. Suggestions?

Actually yes, although it's doubtful that it will ever come about

A loser pays system. Basically if a civil suit is brought up the loser of the case must pay the court costs and both attornys fees as well as any judgements.

yeah I wont worry...they will toss out this one...

just like the woman who spilled her hot coffee on herself...


The coffee burned through the styrofoam cup...she didnt spill it on herself... This would be why she won...

Have any of you actually bothered to read the article linked to? You do all realise there is nothing in the article that implies, much less states, that any law suite has or will occur in relation to the doctor's comments? :confused:

Whether he's getting sued or not its still rather silly for her to lodge a complaint.

More and more doctors are going to start practicing "defensive medicine", and then people will complain about paying for all the "unnecessary" tests they're doctor runs so that they don't sue him/her for not running the tests in the first place. Plus then maybe, we'll be even more under-staffed because more and more people won't want to become doctors at all.

But as long as we smile (http://www.personalmd.com/news/a1997021808.shtml) then maybe we'll be less likely to be sued.

One of the problems is that too many attorneys are willing to bring dubious cases to trial on a contingency fee basis - usually 33% of the settlement value.

Maybe if the claimant had to at least pay court costs if they lose their frivolous suit? At present there is no cost associated with these ridiculous civil suits. Why wouldn't some dimwit sue for millions if it cost them nothing?

We need a better mechanism to discourage frivolous lawsuits, maybe imposing financial risk would help.we need better judges...with common sense.

Maybe if the claimant had to at least pay court costs if they lose their frivolous suit? At present there is no cost associated with these ridiculous civil suits. Why wouldn't some dimwit sue for millions if it cost them nothing?
US judges cannot impose court costs? Are you certain? If that's true the US justice system is more stuffed up than I had realised! :confused:

The coffee burned through the styrofoam cup...have a link for that?

I mean coffee is not lava...or corrosif acid...its just coffee...unless you can get it to 500 celcius

People need to sue the Pill companies and Insurance companies not the Doctors. I bet if I went to the doctor he would tell me how many pills I "need" They will give me diahrea Is that right spelling D:

People need to sue the Pill companies and Insurance companies not the Doctors.Why do I get the feeling about the average US citizen always looking to sue someone...something....anything.

There have actually been a number of lawsuits brought against McDonalds for coffee scalds...

Here's a link to facts about one of them:

http://lawandhelp.com/q298-2.htm

The coffee burned through the styrofoam cup...WOW...through the styrofoam cup???
maybe They just dont make Coffee cups able to hold hot coffee anymore?

should have sued the Cup maker...for making paper thin Cups...

Whether he's getting sued or not its still rather silly for her to lodge a complaint.

It's even more silly to use a complaints proceedure attached to some professional field or other, as an excuse to complain about the legal system. It is clearly not silly to complain when one is made to feel uncomfortable by their medical practitioner. How else would such practitioners know if some of their practises were counter productive. Some complaints will be unfounded (that is the issue is more the complainants than it is the practitioners).
One doesnt really know until one complains. Many improvements have occured because enough people spoke out about what was at the time commonly accepted practise. The only way to improve relations between groups such as doctors and patients, is to engage in discourse. [/QUOTE]

maybe They just dont make Coffee cups able to hold hot coffee anymore?

should have sued the Cup maker...not the restaurant...

...Unless the coffee was being served too hot...at which point it's not the fault of the cup manufacturer, but the restaurant...

It's even more silly to use a complaints proceedure attached to some professional field or other, as an excuse to complain about the legal system. It is clearly not silly to complain when one is made to feel uncomfortable by their medical practitioner. How else would such practitioners know if some of their practises were counter productive. Some complaints will be unfounded (that is the issue is more the complainants than it is the practitioners).
One doesnt really know until one complains. Many improvements have occured because enough people spoke out about what was at the time commonly accepted practise. The only way to improve relations between groups such as doctors and patients, is to engage in discourse.

So...because someone doesnt want to hear that she's obese, she should be able to sue a doctor that informs her that this is his prognosis of her condition?

Political Correctness for the loss...





(and, Aerou...TG)

As an Obese person myself, I know the benefits of weight loss through working-out.
And, frankly if that woman would put half the effort into an active, productive lifestyle, maybe she would not have so much time to sue people and she would loose weight to boot.

*<}:o) H-D

As an Obese person myself, I know the benefits of weight loss through working-out.
And, frankly if that woman would put half the effort into an active, productive lifestyle, maybe she would not have so much time to sue people and she would loose weight to boot.

*<}:o) H-D

Ahhh, but that would mean she'd have to admit that there's something wrong with her and / or her chosen lifestyle - as opposed to making money off a frivilous lawsuit because "her feelings were hurt" and then continuing her sedintary lifestyle using the aforementioned sum of money...

...Unless the coffee was being served too hot...at which point it's not the fault of the cup manufacturer, but the restaurant...
During the case it was discovered that McDonald's required franchises to serve coffee at 180-190 degrees Fahrenheit (82-88 degrees Celsius). At that temperature, the coffee would cause a third-degree burn in two to seven seconds. Stella Liebeck's attorney argued that coffee should never be served hotter than 140 degrees Fahrenheit (60 degrees Celsius).
# Testimony by witnesses for McDonald's revealed that McDonald's did not intend to reduce the heat of its coffee. However, the National Coffee Association of USA recommends that coffee be brewed at 195-205 degrees Fahrenheit and, if not drunk immediately, should be maintained at a temperature of 180-190 for optimal flavor. Starbucks, for example, serves its coffee at this temperature, and, indeed, has been subjected to similar lawsuits for coffee spills. Most courts have dismissed these cases against Starbucks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald's_coffee_case
http://www.ncausa.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=1

One doesnt really know until one complains. Many improvements have occured because enough people spoke out about what was at the time commonly accepted practise. The only way to improve relations between groups such as doctors and patients, is to engage in discourse.

So what meaningful improvement will a complaint such as this gain? The doctor was not mean nor spiteful in his assessment; he merely provided his expert opinion of her health as a licensed medical professional. What could this complaint possibly establish as a precedent? That doctors can no longer raise valid concerns about the health of a patient if said concerns might embarrass or upset the patient?

It's even more silly to use a complaints proceedure attached to some professional field or other, as an excuse to complain about the legal system. It is clearly not silly to complain when one is made to feel uncomfortable by their medical practitioner. How else would such practitioners know if some of their practises were counter productive. Some complaints will be unfounded (that is the issue is more the complainants than it is the practitioners).
One doesnt really know until one complains. Many improvements have occured because enough people spoke out about what was at the time commonly accepted practise. The only way to improve relations between groups such as doctors and patients, is to engage in discourse.

So what does this complaint bring medicine? Now we doctors have to find a new way to tell someone they're obese? Wow, because we don't have so many other more important things to worry about.

The coffee burned through the styrofoam cup...she didnt spill it on herself... This would be why she won...
Incorrect. She spilled the coffee while removing the lid to add cream and sugar. The spilled coffee gave her third degree burns. McDonald's lost the suit because of the severity of the burns and the fact that they've received hundreds of previous complaints about the hot coffee and had to settle many claims of injury.

This article (http://www.vanfirm.com/mcdonalds-coffee-lawsuit.htm) has a fairly detailed account of the case, including how McDonald's kept refusing to settle at multiple opportunities even when advised that they should settle and reasons for the jury's decision.

Also in the postscript for the article, it says that the judge reduced the punative damages from $2.9 million to $480,000. This reduction is a corrective feature of the legal system. Furthermore, both parties agreed to a settlement that was lower still, another corrective feature.

In hindsight, the fact that the coffee can deliver third degree burns in a matter of seconds is quite scary. Most of us who made fun of the situation probably didn't realize the severity of her burns.

So...because someone doesnt want to hear that she's obese, she should be able to sue a doctor that informs her that this is his prognosis of her condition?

Political Correctness for the loss...
(and, Aerou...TG)
What are talking about?

Did you post that strawman on purpose, or do you actually believe that comments in some imply what you are appear to be implying they imply? :confused:

What are talking about?

Did you post that strawman on purpose, or do you actually believe that comments in some imply what you are appear to be implying they imply? :confused:

HUH?

A lady is suing a doctor because he diagnosed her as 'obese' and, from what I understand, used that particular term in relating the diagnosis to the patient. She took offense, and is now suing the doctor.

What a stupid woman. She deserves to die of heart faliure if she's going to sue someone who is trying to help her.

So what meaningful improvement will a complaint such as this gain? The doctor was not mean nor spiteful in his assessment; he merely provided his expert opinion of her health as a licensed medical professional. What could this complaint possibly establish as a precedent? That doctors can no longer raise valid concerns about the health of a patient if said concerns might embarrass or upset the patient?
Not every complaint results in an improvement. What did you think 'one never knows until one complains' meant?
I suggest that comments about a patients romantic prospects go beyond the 'expert opinion' of a medical doctor, unless a sexually transmittable disease is involved in the diagnosis.
One can most certainly give a person advice without commenting on their romantic prospects, in all but a very few health complaints.

Not every complaint results in an improvement. What did you think 'one never knows until one complains' meant?
I suggest that comments about a patients romantic prospects go beyond the 'expert opinion' of a medical doctor, unless a sexually transmittable disease is involved in the diagnosis.
One can most certainly give a person advice without commenting on their romantic prospects, in all but a very few health complaints.

The reason doctors say things like that is to try and get people to act on their advice. By commenting on their "romantic prospects" they're trying to hit home with someone who might otherwise not even be affected by the comments/advice the doctor was giving them, even if their health is directly in question.

Bring up the McDonalds coffee incident--yes, the lid was faulty, but if you think about it, why the hell would any sane person put a liquid that is 180-190 degrees (F) BETWEEN THEIR LEGS? Or even one that is 140? That's asking for trouble, on the wisdom meter, and the lady that got hit with it was definitely old enough to have garnered a bit of wisdom by then.


i was just about to bring that up, its very rediculous that anything someone does can be pinned on someone else. like you said nobody takes responsibility for there actions.

soon people will be suing there doctors because they are fat and the doctors didnt prevent. people dont realize that living an unhealthy lifestyle causes health problems.

being overweight does affect your sexual activity and quality of sex (its scientific, its not that ive experienced it). so thats the same as talking about how it could cause heart problems or increased blood pressure or diabetes or anything like that.



GOD PEOPLE ARE SOOOOO DUMB!

Not every complaint results in an improvement. What did you think 'one never knows until one complains' meant?
I suggest that comments about a patients romantic prospects go beyond the 'expert opinion' of a medical doctor, unless a sexually transmittable disease is involved in the diagnosis.
One can most certainly give a person advice without commenting on their romantic prospects, in all but a very few health complaints.

So doctors need to be completely detached in their reports to patients about their health? They need to present the facts without any appeal to the patient's emotions, even if that approach means that the patient will compeltely dismiss the doctor's concerns. This is still an entirely frivilous complaint. You complain when the doctor has done something to jeopardize your health, not when your feelings are hurt.

Aerou, TG. :D

...McDonald's lost the suit because of the severity of the burns and the fact that they've received hundreds of previous complaints about the hot coffee..IMO...the number that was all over the Jury minds was not 180 or 190 (degrees F.)

the number that was pushing their vote was 1.3 million
McDonalds generates revenues in excess of 1.3 million dollars daily from the sale of its coffee, selling 1 billion cups each year.

IMO...the number that was all over the Jury minds was not 180 or 190 (degrees F.)

the number that was pushing their vote was 1.3
McDonalds generates revenues in excess of 1.3 million dollars daily from the sale of its coffee, selling 1 billion cups each year.


Read up on the case... a number of jurors have stated that they thought the suit frivolous until it saw how bad the burns were...

Upon googling the winnebago incident I discovered that the award I was citing is actually one of those "urban legends" as explained here: http://www.snopes.com/legal/lawsuits.asp
However, the same article does list some genuine legal assays by people trying to displace responsibility for their own stupid behaviours.

Apologies to anyone who was caused undue hardship in the form of anger or stress at the purported incidents I cited :)


Bring up the McDonalds coffee incident--yes, the lid was faulty, but if you think about it, why the hell would any sane person put a liquid that is 180-190 degrees (F) BETWEEN THEIR LEGS? Or even one that is 140? That's asking for trouble, on the wisdom meter, and the lady that got hit with it was definitely old enough to have garnered a bit of wisdom by then.

There's actually an award named after that... 'person,' who sued McDonalds. It periodically acknowledges those who best exemplify the culture of litigation based on stupidity. Some examples from several years ago were a burglar who locked himself in the garage and had to survive on warm Pepsi and dog kibble for a week before the family he was robbing arrived home, and he won an 'unlawful confinement' suit against them because their garage door was stuck; a woman who sued a nightclub because she chipped a tooth when- to avoid paying cover- she tried to sneak in through an unsecured bathroom window and fell face-first on a toilet. The grand prize winner that year, however, was a homo sapien who bought a Winnebago motor home, and on the way home with it put it on cruise control (doing 70 mph on the highway) and retired to the back to make a pot of coffee. Not surprisingly, the motor home left the highway and rolled over several times. The homo sapien sued the company, won $14 million and a new motor home, and that's why the owners' manuals of motor homes now expressly point out that cruise control does *not* mean that your motor home will drive itself on the highway.

Behold the spoils of a culture of individualism gone mad.

HUH?

A lady is suing a doctor because he diagnosed her as 'obese' and, from what I understand, used that particular term in relating the diagnosis to the patient.
Is she? I am not aware of any law suite, where did you hear about it, do you have a link to the information, or can you cite the source? Is this incident in any way related to the article that this thread is about?

She took offense, and is now suing the doctor.
I'm not aware of any such case. You will have to fill me in on the details. Since I was not ever commenting on the case you now appear to be describing, your comments in response to mine remain a strawman. I never argued what it is you appear to have objected to, so arguing against it in relation to me, is arguing against something that was not ever argued for.

Read up on the case... a number of jurors have stated that they thought the suit frivolous until it saw how bad the burns were...
The burns could be horrific...BUT... it does not establish McDonald's guilt.

Unless...you were one of the Stupid Morons serving Jury duty...in New Mexico.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald's_coffee_case
http://www.stellaawards.com/stella.html
# Even in the eyes of an obviously sympathetic jury, Stella was judged to be 20 percent at fault -- she did, after all, spill the coffee into her lap all by herself. The car was stopped, so she presumably was not bumped to cause the spill. Indeed she chose to hold the coffee cup between her knees instead of any number of safer locations as she opened it. Should she have taken more responsibility for her own actions?

And...
# Here's the Kicker: Coffee is supposed to be served in the range of 185 degrees! The National Coffee Association recommends coffee be brewed at "between 195-205 degrees Fahrenheit for optimal extraction" and drunk "immediately". If not drunk immediately, it should be "maintained at 180-185 degrees Fahrenheit". (Source: NCAUSA.) Exactly what, then, did McDonald's do wrong? Did it exhibit "willful, wanton, reckless or malicious conduct" -- the standard in New Mexico for awarding punitive damages?

geeeeeeeeee i wonder............. is coffee hot?

geeeeeeeeee i wonder............. is coffee hot?

Whoooo knows....

Perhaps you should pour some over yourself and find out :)

The reason doctors say things like that is to try and get people to act on their advice. By commenting on their "romantic prospects" they're trying to hit home with someone who might otherwise not even be affected by the comments/advice the doctor was giving them, even if their health is directly in question.
Which is to say that doctors making such comments are counterproductive if they allienate the patient and cause the patient to have an aversion to the doctor and the doctor's advice.

So doctors need to be completely detached in their reports to patients about their health?
Do they, why do you think so....or are you throwing that strawman at me? Whether or not the patient's complaint is founded, if their doctor made them feel uncomfortable by making personal 'non health' related value judgements about a person's physical attractiveness, without producing any health benefit, then it is certainly not absurd for the patient to raise the issue.

They need to present the facts without any appeal to the patient's emotions, even if that approach means that the patient will compeltely dismiss the doctor's concerns. This is still an entirely frivilous complaint. You complain when the doctor has done something to jeopardize your health, not when your feelings are hurt.
hang on, a doctor has a right to engage someone's feelings because that might effect the patients health, but a patient cannot complain about hurt feelings because feelings are not related to health...aha

some day i will come up with a lawsuit like one of these kinds. maybe ill even win a darwin award(award for being incredibly dumb). maybe ill take a candle and burn myself and then sue the candle makers because there isnt a warning on the candle that says that it may burn you.

or i could just find anything hard and hit myself over the head with it and sue the company that made it.

or maybe ill file a class action suit against mcdonalds for not making me fat since i have not gained any weight even though i eat there food.


EDIT

MAYBE I CAN MAKE A CAREER OUT OF THAT! i will go around making frivolous law suits costing the country countless millions of dollars due to the time i waste and the cost of forcing everyone to appear for however many days required. and with this country im sure i would win some so i could make like 10 million a year if im creative enough

Which is to say that doctors making such comments are counterproductive if they allienate the patient and cause the patient to have an aversion to the doctor and the doctor's advice.

People will have an aversion to doctors no matter what. Sadly, if the only way I have to get through to someone that they need to lose weight is by bringing up their less than great love life, so be it. I'd rather alienate them then see them in the ER after having a heart attack, at which point I'm sure I'll be sued for not warning them before hand anyway.

Anyway, I'm off to bed. I have sutures calling my name starting at 6:00am tomorrow morning.

Whether or not the patient's complaint is founded, if their doctor made them feel uncomfortable by making personal 'non health' related value judgements about a person's physical attractiveness, without producing any health benefit, then it is certainly not absurd for the patient to raise the issue.
having sexual activity while overweight is health related because the many issues you could have: chaffing due to excess skin rubbing, dehydration, heart attack(rare but possible), etc. etc.

not insulting you but your last post seemed to make a point and then go back and argue against that point. (first and third sections)

People will have an aversion to doctors no matter what. Sadly, if the only way I have to get through to someone that they need to lose weight is by bringing up their less than great love life, so be it. I'd rather alienate them then see them in the ER after having a heart attack, at which point I'm sure I'll be sued for not warning them before hand anyway.

Indeed. I have found that sometimes it's necessary to be a little less than "Politically Correct" to get one's point across. Does that mean I should be sued for bruising someone's feelings?




(Aerou, nother TG - but it should be disregarded, lol)

People will have an aversion to doctors no matter what. Sadly, if the only way I have to get through to someone that they need to lose weight is by bringing up their less than great love life, so be it. I'd rather alienate them then see them in the ER after having a heart attack, at which point I'm sure I'll be sued for not warning them before hand anyway.

Anyway, I'm off to bed. I have sutures calling my name starting at 6:00am tomorrow morning.
I'd rather allienate someone so that they still dont do anything about their health and still end up in the ER having a heart attack....sorry you are not making a lot of sense here.

having sexual activity while overweight is health related because the many issues you could have: chaffing due to excess skin rubbing, dehydration, heart attack(rare but possible), etc. etc.
Irrelevent to the comments that the doctor made (so far as I can ascertain). My understanding (from the linked article) is that the doctor insinuated or stated outright that the person's physical appearance would prevent them from finding a willing partner.

not insulting you but your last post seemed to make a point and then go back and argue against that point. (first and third sections)
You'll have to be more specific, I see nothing contrary between the two sections.

Indeed. I have found that sometimes it's necessary to be a little less than "Politically Correct" to get one's point across. Does that mean I should be sued for bruising someone's feelings?
(Aerou, nother TG - but it should be disregarded, lol)
What has being sued got to do with the linked to article, (aside from the fact that the original poster either misinterpreted the article they linked to, or was being deliberately dishonest)? :confused:

Yeah, that is America. My dad was sued because his partner issued unauthorized chemotherapy on a patient and teh verdict came out to be 607 million dollars. Outrageous!

Hear about the guy who sued Toyota since he ran over his daughter in a Toyota SUV?

Here's one for how crazy America is becoming with all this suing-mentality. A doctor calls his patient 'obese' and she is suing him because he tells her to lose some weight. What less offensive term is there when someone is beyond overweight?

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9063638/


yea fat people eat to much and we should be able to call them fat besides FREEDOM OF SPEECH WHICH REALLY PISSES ME OFF WHEN PEOPLE SUE PEOPLE FOR SPEAKING THEIR MIND AND IN THIS CASE HE WAS JUST USING A MEDICAL TERM FAT PEOPLE GIVE AMERICA A BAD NAME AND SHOULD BE FORCED to GET LIPOSUCTION

Yeah, that is America. My dad was sued because his partner issued unauthorized chemotherapy on a patient and teh verdict came out to be 607 million dollars. Outrageous!

Hear about the guy who sued Toyota since he ran over his daughter in a Toyota SUV?


Lol wat idiot who has little kids is so uncatious that he dosent look in the rear-view idiot. by the way i think you should smoke(shoot)the fool who sued your dad 607 million u need to smoke that mother f***er

Behold the spoils of a culture of individualism gone mad.

It's not individualism--it's "victimization", and it's been created by lawyers raping the judicial system--bringing tort law to the forefront, and completely killing common law (and therefore killing common sense by nitpicking as opposed to looking at the situation as a whole).

You still protect individuals--you don't, however, protect individuals from their own stupidity--you punish that because humans are to be held responsible for their own actions.

Indeed. I have found that sometimes it's necessary to be a little less than "Politically Correct" to get one's point across. Does that mean I should be sued for bruising someone's feelings?


Nope--there's that nifty first amendment (at least in the US). You're supposed to be able to say just about anything, regardless of feelings.

You can sue medical personel for anything these days. I had a Criminal Law teacher talking to me about how it was illegal to watch something happening and not help out. I informed him of what I was told when I became a paramedic; If you're off-duty, and someone is hurt, you cannot help them. You're not insured, and because of this, any mistakes that lead to a lawsuit are grounds for dismissal.

There was a guy in our department who loosened a neck brace in order to preform a tracheotomy. He saved the man's life, but loosening the brace set him back in his back surgery recovery. He was sued, lost and was fired.
Well, it would make sense to sue a doctor for doing that, but suing a doctor for calling someone obese makes no sense.

Well, it would make sense to sue a doctor for doing that, but suing a doctor for calling someone obese makes no sense.
Aha, it does make no sense, that's probably why (so far as I know) it isnt and hasnt happened...

Sometimes its hard when U have Difficulty in deciding what Career U wanna have.... with choice of becoming a Doctor or a Lawyer......In United states I Ud rather choose to be a Lawyer.......wow Man its easy to get rich.

A person with Surplus Bulk.

Girth Overachiever.

Excessive surface area. (I kinda like this one. :) )

A person with a metabolic backlog. :)

My favourite is from Garfield
According to the chart, for my weight, I should be 6'2",
therfore I'm not overweight, I'm undertall