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I'm putting a 2nd physical hard drive in the computer, and was wondering what you need to do to get it working.

Ive plugged it in, changed the CMOS settings and the computer recognises it when it boots up, but if I do a "search for new hardware" it doesnt find it. What else do I need to do??

My OS is Win 98 SE (crap I know, but im long overdue for a full upgrade but havn't got round to it yet, if I get this one going I'm putting Umbuntu (sp?) onto it)

Thanks
:)

Open up your Adminstrator tools, go to Disk Management, use that to format the 2nd drive and it should be good to go.

Also, you may want to check the jumper settings on the back of the drive itself.

You may need to jumper the second drive to "slave".

Also, you may want to check the jumper settings on the back of the drive itself.

You may need to jumper the second drive to "slave".

If he's booting fine, shouldnt be a problem there - especially not if he's seeing it in his bios. Most drives come from the factory jumpered for cable select or slave...

If he's booting fine, shouldnt be a problem there - especially not if he's seeing it in his bios. Most drives come from the factory jumpered for cable select or slave...


Ahh your right...if its being recognized its probably already set.

Ahh your right...if its being recognized its probably already set.

I already changed it earlier so the 2nd one is in slave, so it is finding a primary master and a primary slave. Sorry to be a dunce, but whereabouts would I find Admin tools??

I cant find that disk management anywhere. It is in Win 98?

I already changed it earlier so the 2nd one is in slave, so it is finding a primary master and a primary slave. Sorry to be a dunce, but whereabouts would I find Admin tools??

I cant find that disk management anywhere. It is in Win 98?


Has it been FAT32 partitioned? :confused:

Has it been FAT32 partitioned? :confused:

Supposedly, is there anyway I can check though??

It started life as an Xbox drive, but was reformatted so that theoretically it could be used in a computer.
What system does Xbox use? If it gets formatted using a Slayers disk and unlocked how do you change it to use in a computer?

Its a standard Western Digital so it should be fine

Supposedly, is there anyway I can check though??

It started life as an Xbox drive, but was reformatted so that theoretically it could be used in a computer.
What system does Xbox use? If it gets formatted using a Slayers disk and unlocked how do you change it to use in a computer?

Its a standard Western Digital so it should be fine

I think the XP file system. You will need to use the utility software for the drive to repartition it before formatting. I had a similar problem with a drive I had in a XP system then moved it back into my old WIN 98 PC.

You should be able to down the utility if you don't have disk.

I think the XP file system. You will need to use the utility software for the drive to repartition it before formatting. I had a similar problem with a drive I had in a XP system then moved it back into my old WIN 98 PC.

You should be able to down the utility if you don't have disk.

Thanks,
Do you know what program I can get to reformat it as fat32 and/or where I can download it?

Thanks,
Do you know what program I can get to reformat it as fat32 and/or where I can download it?


Well if you know the model number you can get the utility from westerndigital.com but if you only need to do a simple partition a close match as far as model should do fine.

I MUST REPEAT: THAT DRIVE NEEDS PARTITIONING BEFORE FORMAT!!!

Well if you know the model number you can get the utility from westerndigital.com but if you only need to do a simple partition a close match as far as model should do fine.

I MUST REPEAT: THAT DRIVE NEEDS PARTITIONING BEFORE FORMAT!!!

Im downloading a WD program now for it, what do you mean it needs partitioning?? I cant do anything with fdisk or anything 'cos the computer cant find the drive :confused:

Well if you know the model number you can get the utility from westerndigital.com but if you only need to do a simple partition a close match as far as model should do fine.

I MUST REPEAT: THAT DRIVE NEEDS PARTITIONING BEFORE FORMAT!!!

Im downloading a WD program now for it, what do you mean it needs partitioning?? I cant do anything with fdisk or anything 'cos the computer cant find the drive :confused:

Im downloading a WD program now for it, what do you mean it needs partitioning?? I cant do anything with fdisk or anything 'cos the computer cant find the drive :confused:

If you got the right utility, you can add or delete partitions and format. Delete the old partitions (it should be able to detect them) then select the size of the new partition(s) for the disk. Use fat 32 partitions of course. Windows should pick it up after that then you can reformat it or do it with the utility.

If you got the right utility, you can add or delete partitions and format. Delete the old partitions (it should be able to detect them) then select the size of the new partition(s) for the disk. Use fat 32 partitions of course. Windows should pick it up after that then you can reformat it or do it with the utility.

Sweet, thanks heaps, *passes big bag of thankyou cookies to N.F. :fluffle: *. Shall reboot now and try it and see what kinda sh17 i get myself into :D

Sweet, thanks heaps, *passes big bag of thankyou cookies to N.F. :fluffle: *. Shall reboot now and try it and see what kinda sh17 i get myself into :D


good luck... :)

I'm putting a 2nd physical hard drive in the computer, and was wondering what you need to do to get it working.

Ive plugged it in, changed the CMOS settings and the computer recognises it when it boots up, but if I do a "search for new hardware" it doesnt find it. What else do I need to do??

My OS is Win 98 SE (crap I know, but im long overdue for a full upgrade but havn't got round to it yet, if I get this one going I'm putting Umbuntu (sp?) onto it)

Thanks
:)

Let me guess, it's a brand new S/ATA hard drive, right?

You'll need Win XP Service Pack 2, or a modern version of Linux.

(Though hmm, I doubt your motherboard could run it if your computer is old enought to be still using win98. Meh.)

Let me guess, it's a brand new S/ATA hard drive, right?



It was pilfered from an XBox.

It was pilfered from an XBox.

Oh, whoops. Missed that. :p

Damn Windows 98. :/

Well, I can see one more problem that he might have, windows 98 may be unable to recognise a drive of that size (since you never told us how big the drive was, we cannot be sure)

Well, I can see one more problem that he might have, windows 98 may be unable to recognise a drive of that size (since you never told us how big the drive was, we cannot be sure)

I remember something about having to have Win98 SE2? OR more probable it was Win98 SE SP2 which enabled large disk support.

Anyway I wouldn't use FAT32 on a disk bigger than 1GB since it will take most of it up with the FAT table plus it will be mega slooooow. ;p

I remember something about having to have Win98 SE2? OR more probable it was Win98 SE SP2 which enabled large disk support.

Anyway I wouldn't use FAT32 on a disk bigger than 1GB since it will take most of it up with the FAT table plus it will be mega slooooow. ;p

I use fat32 on my 60gb and 80gb hard drives and they run beautifully. I preffer FAT32 for its interoperability, I just wish it had more than a 4gb file size limit.

Anyway I wouldn't use FAT32 on a disk bigger than 1GB since it will take most of it up with the FAT table plus it will be mega slooooow. ;p

Uh...No...when NTFS came out, 20gb was the standard. I had a 2gb drive in 1997...

Im downloading a WD program now for it, what do you mean it needs partitioning?? I cant do anything with fdisk or anything 'cos the computer cant find the drive :confused:

You can't do anything because the disk has yet to be assigned a letter. Go to:

Control Panel
---->
Administrative Tools
---->
Computer Management
---->
Disk Manager


At the bottom, right click the unformatted, raw disk (disk 1) and select "format" from the drop down menu. From there, select a drive path, and a format for the drive. Once it's done, you'll be able to access it and from here on out, fdisk should work.

If the drive isn't being detected at all by BIOS, I believe I read somewhere that XBox hard drives have a special hardware security feature to prevent use in anything other than the xbox it came from.

"Well, the original Xbox hard drive ships from Microsoft in a "locked" condition. This is a security feature that is designed to prevent consumers from looking at the contents of the original harddrive. If you place the original Xbox hdd into a regular computer, the computer will be unable to "unlock" the Xbox hard drive, and the hard drive will not be able to communicate with your computer"
from http://www.copying-xbox-games.com/tutorials.php?tutorialid=00000032

If the drive isn't being detected at all by BIOS, I believe I read somewhere that XBox hard drives have a special hardware security feature to prevent use in anything other than the xbox it came from.

"Well, the original Xbox hard drive ships from Microsoft in a "locked" condition. This is a security feature that is designed to prevent consumers from looking at the contents of the original harddrive. If you place the original Xbox hdd into a regular computer, the computer will be unable to "unlock" the Xbox hard drive, and the hard drive will not be able to communicate with your computer"
from http://www.copying-xbox-games.com/tutorials.php?tutorialid=00000032


The OP has already clarified that the BIOS is recognizing the HD...

I'm putting a 2nd physical hard drive in the computer, and was wondering what you need to do to get it working.

Ive plugged it in, changed the CMOS settings and the computer recognises it when it boots up, but if I do a "search for new hardware" it doesnt find it. What else do I need to do??

My OS is Win 98 SE (crap I know, but im long overdue for a full upgrade but havn't got round to it yet, if I get this one going I'm putting Umbuntu (sp?) onto it)

Thanks
:)

Hard Disk needs to be partitioned and formatted.

Since we're talking Win98, this needs to be done from the DOS console, using FDISK.EXE... Run FDISK, change to second Hard Disk, and create the partition.

You will then need to reboot, and then format the new drive.

Open up your Adminstrator tools, go to Disk Management, use that to format the 2nd drive and it should be good to go.

That would be great; if he were using Windows 2000 or XP.... He's not... It's Windows 98 SE.

Im downloading a WD program now for it, what do you mean it needs partitioning?? I cant do anything with fdisk or anything 'cos the computer cant find the drive :confused:

Chances are the drive is in a "locked" state (this is normal for XBOX hard disk drives). In which case, you will need to go about the normal procedures for removing XBOX passwords locks (which are pretty much just the normal ATAPI security feature); which will require gaining access to the what the password was set at on the original XBOX console.....

If you are unable to do this; then buy a new hard drive (since the cost of getting it unlocked by a data-recovery service will far exceed the cost of an identical new drive).

Uh...No...when NTFS came out, 20gb was the standard. I had a 2gb drive in 1997...

NTFS has been out much longer than the availability of 20GB HDD.... NTFS was first released under Windows NT 3.5x, back when 500MB-1GB HDD's were still the norm.

The OP has already clarified that the BIOS is recognizing the HD...

XBOX uses the normal ATAPI standard security systems for hard disk drives; this is also found on many laptops.

The drive will be recognized by the BIOS easily; though without clearing the lock, the drive will not enter a READY state; that is, it will not respond to any commands, except those associated with ATAPI security.

Brute force attempts around this (unless you have specialty hardware) is pointless, the drive will accept three attempts at the proper password before it stops responding to any ATAPI commands; and will need to be sent a hard-reset, by cycling power to the drive.

The usual steps - Windows 98
(1) Set jumper on HDD as slave or master
(2) Connect HDD to PC using correct cables - SATA or PATA/IDE which are very different (Assume PC is OFF) and don't forget to power too.
(3) Ensure PC BIOS can read hard drive
(4) Boot windows from floppy
(5) Start up FDISK and create partitions in 2nd HDD
(6) Reboot to floppy again
(7) Format 2nd drive
(8) Reboot to normal Windows

PS - I don't know about W98 and SATA HDDs working together.

I find a fairly fool-proof way of formatting a drive is to remove your primary, and insert the new one into that slot as the Master, then slip in a formatting utility on disk or CD, and boot up. It should recognise the new drive as something you should format, and then you just use whatever utility you're using to do the job. And personally I prefer NTFS.

Once you're done, move the formatted drive into secondary slot and replace primary. Don't forget to readjust the Master/Slave thing. The system should have no problems recognising an already-formatted drive and assigning it a letter.

This should help
http://www.xbox-scene.com/articles/lock-hdd.php

End note:

All the utilities needed to unlock the drive, once you have obtained the password stored in the original XBOX it was housed in, can be found on The Ultimate Boot Disk (http://ezpcfix.net/ubcd4win/ubcd4winV25.exe)... This is a 170MB ISO file, and contains amost any drive utility you may need, including Drive utils from Maxtor, Western Digital, Seagate, Samsung, Quantum, Fujitsu, third-party partitioning utilities, ATAPIPWD (an utility for sending ATAPI security commands, from systems without this capability built into the BIOS), HDD cloning utilities, disk editors, partition resizers, MBR editors, NT Offline Registry and Password editors, NTFS readers, burn-in tests, memory tests, benchmark utilities, as well as many others...