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Lance Rules, pourri L'Equipe villain :gundge:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050825/ap_on_sp_ot/cyc_armstrong_doping_35

Le français jaloux est des perdants endoloris (Jealous French are sore losers).

Ooh, la la, seven. That’s right, Seven :p

yeah its funny isnt it. French havent won anything in 200 years. Everyone must be cheating. ;)

"Obviously, this is great business for them," he said. "Unfortunately, I'm caught in the cross-hairs.

"And at the end of day," he added, "I think that's what it's all about ... selling newspapers. And it sells."

Behold! The real culprit!

yeah its funny isnt it. French havent won anything in 200 years. Everyone must be cheating. ;)

I do believe that France was on the winning side in World War 1 although that isn't saying much since the cost of that war impoverished all of Europe. And I think that France also was on the winning side in World War 2, managed to keep the Anglo-Americans from occupying the country as they had planned to do, while French troops did occupy part of Germany after the war. And, if my memory serves me, France did supply men and armaments to the struggling British colonists in the American war of independence. Without the French navy under Admiral de Grasse blocking the British at Yorktown, Americans would be singing 'God save the Queen' as their national anthem and playing cricket instead of baseball.

History does provide a record - one must just consult the record once in a while instead of inventing chauvinistic tripe that is at best questionable.

NB: the town of Havre de Grasse, MD (Maryland) bears the name of the French naval hero of the American Revolutionary war and marks where he hid the French fleet until it was needed for that decisive blow to the British war effort. Also, have you never heard of the Marquis de Lafayette? I might add that Napoléon (not my favorite person) was one of the world's best generals; his strategies are still the object of study at military academies. :)

History does provide a record - one must just consult the record once in a while instead of inventing chauvinistic tripe that is at best questionable.



Lol tripe. I hate that stuff. The only thing I suggest questioning is the French accusations.

Excuse my outburst at the French. I just get tired of there arrogant attitudes toward non-French. Gets old real fast.

Here is an interview with Armstrong on Larry king.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/SPORT/08/26/armstrong.lkl/index.html

I do believe that France was on the winning side in World War 1 although that isn't saying much since the cost of that war impoverished all of Europe. And I think that France also was on the winning side in World War 2, managed to keep the Anglo-Americans from occupying the country as they had planned to do, while French troops did occupy part of Germany after the war. And, if my memory serves me, France did supply men and armaments to the struggling British colonists in the American war of independence. Without the French navy under Admiral de Grasse blocking the British at Yorktown, Americans would be singing 'God save the Queen' as their national anthem and playing cricket instead of baseball.

History does provide a record - one must just consult the record once in a while instead of inventing chauvinistic tripe that is at best questionable.

NB: the town of Havre de Grasse, MD (Maryland) bears the name of the French naval hero of the American Revolutionary war and marks where he hid the French fleet until it was needed for that decisive blow to the British war effort. Also, have you never heard of the Marquis de Lafayette? I might add that Napoléon (not my favorite person) was one of the world's best generals; his strategies are still the object of study at military academies. :)

1) France did well enough after WWI & WWII with the victories OTHER COUNTRIES made. And yes When France was arming the colonists against the British they beat the British. And when Brittian was arming the colonists against the French they beat the French.
PS Napolean was Corsican.

Jeez do you guys know anything about professional cycling? Do you really believe Lance is the greatest?

Don't get me wrong he's good, but he's a one race wonder. He did the cycling world such a disservice by riding the tour this year. He already had the record for most wins...he should have entered either of the other grand tours, preferrably the Giro, to help promote awareness of those to Joe Sixpack and silence his detractors who rightly deride him for not riding those or any of the one day classics. Because he didn't and just rode the tour again (he's already retired and the season is only half over) he'll never take his place alongside Merkx or Coppi as one of the sports true greats.

-snip-


None of that changes the fact that the Germans kicked Frances ass....more than once I might add.


The real issue here however is that certain people, who happen to be French, have it out for Lance Armstrong. They just don't like a real champion...makes it obvious what losers they themselves really are (referring to the individuals, not the nation)

Don't get me wrong he's good, but he's a one race wonder.

Isn't that kind of like saying Neil Armstrong was a one flight wonder? :p

He did the cycling world such a disservice by riding the tour this year. He already had the record for most wins...

D'oh! :rolleyes:

Now why in the world would you say something silly like that. If anything, his winning again suggests he 'should' ride in it again next year (and every year thereafter until he finally loses one). By stopping now though he's depriving all future cyclists the ability to beat him. Some day, a hundred years from now or eight years from now, when someone wins eight in a row, people will argue if the new guy is better than Armstrong was, or if Armstrong still had more wins in him but quit too soon for us to know...

My actual counter to your argument is this though, how many people are going to remember the 'next' winner three years from now 'unless' he wins three times in a row? My guess is that it will be less than half of the number that watched will remember this race and win by Armststrong, even in cycling world. Without Armstrong we do not know what will happen to cycling competitions, the population might not even care what happens to it ... You shouldn't bite the hand that feeds you, it sounds like sour grapes.

Dont the Frogs hate anything succesful thats not french

yeah its funny isnt it. French havent won anything in 200 years. Everyone must be cheating. ;)

Well, they did win the race to establish a "first surrender" policy....but that's about it.

Isn't it time we got back to hating the french?

Europe should be happy France is around for the Germans to invade when they get that pecular " itch " every once in a while .

Undoubtedly, Lance did cheat. There are dozesn of eyewitness accounts, and a positive test to prove it.

Americans can't win anything without cheating.

PS Napolean was Corsican.

Oh yes, and Napoleon went on to conquer most of Europe with the Corsican Army and then declared himself the Emperor of Corsica.

Jesus Christ, American obcession with masturbating to the Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey Myth is still going strong.

:rolleyes:

Oh, and did anyone remember the story about a new performance enhancing drug developed by a lab (THC, TXC, something like that) that was undetectable by conventional steroids screening? The one that nobody other than the cheaters knew about until someone anonymously sent a sample to the Olympic Drug Committee?

Biomedical technology is constantly advancing. Just because Lance Armstrong didn't test positive for steroids doesn't mean he might not be using some other kind of enhancer.

Then again, it is just coincidence that he suffered from testicular cancer? Testicular damage is one of the side effects of long term steroid abuse right?

Who cares if Lance cheated? He has to live with Ms. Crow now. there's punishment enough.

the little corporal got beaten at Aspern-Essling , Leipzig and finally Waterloo

I think He took stuff...but he is not the only one.

I think most of them do.

the little corporal got beaten at Aspern-Essling , Leipzig and finally Waterloo

After how many years of domination? Nobody ever says Michael Jordan got old and soft.

Isn't it time we got back to hating the french?Hey, I like France-bashing as much as the next guy, but this thread isn't about kicking the French around, it's about charges that Lance cheated.

Personally, the fact that they're testing an annonymous sample that
s been frozen since 1999 makes me wonder how they can be certain of much of anything. From The Washington Times (http://insider.washingtontimes.com/articles/normal.php?StoryID=20050824-121433-7393r):

"Separately, the lab said it could not confirm that Armstrong's was among the positive results. It noted that the samples were anonymous, bearing only a six-digit number to identify the rider and could not be matched with the name of any one cyclist."

In a different article (http://insider.washingtontimes.com/articles/normal.php?StoryID=20050825-120644-7914r):
"The tour director was hardly the only target of Armstrong's ire yesterday. He also questioned the validity of the science involved in testing samples that were frozen seven years ago and how those samples were handled since. He also charged officials at the suburban Paris laboratory that processed them with violating the World Anti-Doping Agency code by releasing the results to the newspaper."
[...]
""Armstrong always told me that he never used doping products," five-time winner Eddy Merckx told Le Monde newspaper. "Choosing between a journalist and Lance's word, I trust Armstrong." "
[...]
"Another five-time Tour champion, Miguel Indurain, said he couldn't understand why scientists would use samples from the '99 Tour for their tests.
"I feel the news is in bad taste and out of place, given that it happened six years ago after his first Tour victory, and after he won six more," Indurain wrote in the Spanish sports daily Marca. "With the little I have to go on, it is difficult to take a position, but I think at this stage there's no sense in stirring all this up." "

Shrug. Jumping to conclusions one way or the other seems a little premature to me. Of course, considerign that France has been riding (no pun intended) Lance's ass for years, I wouldn't be surprized if these charges were as baseless as Lance says they are.

Of course, considerign that France has been riding (no pun intended) Lance's ass for years, I wouldn't be surprized if these charges were as baseless as Lance says they are.France has been hard on Lance's ass for years (pun intended), cos they love him there. I bet Americans couldn't even fathom how big a hero he is there. It really is not like they hate him "for winning in their own race". It's not like they were winning before Armstrong. This is just one paper speculating. A sports paper at that. What thwe helll are they supposed to do? Talk Pat Robertson? They speak sports. Don't take it so personally folks (and no, I didn't mean you Hack... just took a quote from you).

Oh yes, and Napoleon went on to conquer most of Europe with the Corsican Army and then declared himself the Emperor of Corsica.
The problem with the French army has never really been their soldiery. It has always been the leadership. Either they should have the high command be composed entirely of schizophrenic french women, or just borrow a lot of corsicans. Then they would have a force to be reckoned with. Since they do neither, their military ability is pure suckage.

And I think that France also was on the winning side in World War 2, managed to keep the Anglo-Americans from occupying the country as they had planned to do, while French troops did occupy part of Germany after the war.
When they wern't collaborating with their Nazi occupiers.

Hey, I like France-bashing as much as the next guy..LOL
I wouldn't be surprized if these charges were as baseless as Lance says they are.but...

if it turns out that Armstrong is lying...
if he did cheat...

Would you be surprized ???

It's not like they were winning before Armstrong. This is just one paper speculating. A sports paper at that. Except for one minor detail.

From the second article linked above: L'Equipe is owned by the Amaury Group whose subsidiary, Amaury Sport Organization, organizes the Tour de France and other sporting events.

In other words, this isn't "just some paper". The paper's parent company runs the Tour itself.

The problem with the French army has never really been their soldiery. It has always been the leadership. Either they should have the high command be composed entirely of schizophrenic french women, or just borrow a lot of corsicans. Then they would have a force to be reckoned with. Since they do neither, their military ability is pure suckage.
That's it. Cos they have no 15th century woman , nor 19th century man as a president, their military ability and leadership NOW sucks. I'm kinda happy that the schizophrenic french woman didn't have nukes... they have been somewhat nice with those lately, haven't they? Did you have a point? I didn't.

Except for one minor detail.

From the second article linked above: L'Equipe is owned by the Amaury Group whose subsidiary, Amaury Sport Organization, organizes the Tour de France and other sporting events.

In other words, this isn't "just some paper". The paper's parent company runs the Tour itself.
Right. This paper kinda invented the tour. But not as such. And you wonder why they'd run a headline as such? It's called a good idea. Sells like hotcakes. The paper doesn't run the race anymore though. So it just makes money. May even be right. Doping is not unseen in cycle sports. I just hope Armstrong is free of it.

Right. This paper kinda invented the tour. But not as such. And you wonder why they'd run a headline as such? It's called a good idea. Sells like hotcakes.Ah, but if the charge is spurious, then it's libel.

That's it. Cos they have no 15th century woman , nor 19th century man as a president, their military ability and leadership NOW sucks. I'm kinda happy that the schizophrenic french woman didn't have nukes... they have been somewhat nice with those lately, haven't they? Did you have a point? I didn't.
With bad leadership even the best military in the world sucks. Very different if the higher leadership were to suddenly die and the various portions of the military could make decisions for themselves. Having to follow the orders of a dunderhead severely limits what a military unit can accomplish.

Ah, but if the charge is spurious, then it's libel.

Does France even have Libel and/or Slander laws?

Ah, but if the charge is spurious, then it's libel.
Oh, well, L'Equipe is the leading paper in Europe. Doesn't mean it can't make mistakes though. I doubt they'd just go and say something without NO evidence at all. But I hope they did this time. And what's the fuss? EPO wasn't tested 1999. If the tests NOW show Lance did EPO, so what? It just shows he lied a BIT. We all lie a bit!

The French media really needs to let this go.

lol.

The French media really needs to let this go.

I think the CYCLING media (I think you confuse things) should go with this and clear Lance Armstrong, don't you?

Undoubtedly, Lance did cheat. There are dozesn of eyewitness accounts, and a positive test to prove it.

Americans can't win anything without cheating.

It would appear with the current public discourse on the subject that is far from undoubted.

I think the CYCLING media (I think you confuse things) should go with this and clear Lance Armstrong, don't you?


Dont care for hair splitting. general media, cycling, media ect.. they all rather dislike Mr. Armstrong.

And what's the fuss? EPO wasn't tested 1999. If the tests NOW show Lance did EPO, so what? It just shows he lied a BIT. We all lie a bit!Even then, it doesn't mean much. It was part of his chemotherapy regimin.

Dont care for hair splitting. general media, cycling, media ect.. they all rather dislike Mr. Armstrong.
I'm not sure I get you... the world media dislikes Lance..?

I'm not sure I get you... the world media dislikes Lance..?


No, The French media.

No, The French media.
Let me take a cheap guess. You, Sir, are an American..? I think you sorely miss some aspects of how big cycling is in Europe. But that's okay. You can always learn!



In NO way is Lance Armstrong demonized here. No, he is idolized. Mostly in France. The other cycling nations don't care about him, cos he's too much of a pussy to ride other great ones.

Let me take a cheap guess. You, Sir, are an American..? I think you sorely miss some aspects of how big cycling is in Europe. But that's okay. You can always learn!



In NO way is Lance Armstrong demonized here. No, he is idolized. Mostly in France. The other cycling nations don't care about him, cos he's too much of a pussy to ride other great ones.


yes I am American, and I do know how big cycling is in europe, I just happen to think that they are fishing for things to hang on him.



Me personally? the sport is not my bag, I will take baseball. :)

Me personally? the sport is not my bag, I will take baseball. :)
Well, F**** you then! I was ready for a big showdown! :D
It's all right. Great sport that too. I guess.
EDIT: A link for you: http://www.finnpower.com/fline/baseball.htm

yeah its funny isnt it. French havent won anything in 200 years. Everyone must be cheating. ;)Actually they won the World Cup in 1998 and a European Championship in 2000. Soccer that is.

Ontopic. I think all top athletes cheat in one way or another but I'm not the least bit bothered by that. I figure it's just part of their training. I guy who eats potato chips won't be in as good a shape as someone who eats vegetables. Just like someone who trains without chemical help will be weaker than someone who does train with chemical help. Where do we draw the line? How do we verify fairly when it has been crossed?

I mean... what's the point of taking away Armstrongs titles if the guys that finished in second all used the same "stuff"? That would make as much sense as what happened in Seoul 88 to Ben Johnson. If anyone here honestly believes that Carl Lewis or anyone else that crossed the finish line in that race didn't use steroids, they are being incredibly naive.

My opinion and the way I feel about this issue will raise a few questions. I accept that there is doping, and that it will happen no matter what. Ok. Now what are we going to do about it? Do we have to do something about it? Should we do about it? Must we do something about it? If so then what?

To these quesitons I have absolutely no answers at all.

yes I am American, and I do know how big cycling is in europe, as big as Baseball...
let me try that again...bigger than Baseball.

let me try that again...bigger than Baseball.


So it's still a little less popular than football in america ;)

Oh yes, and Napoleon went on to conquer most of Europe with the Corsican Army and then declared himself the Emperor of Corsica.

Jesus Christ, American obcession with masturbating to the Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey Myth is still going strong.

:rolleyes:

Yep Napolean was Corsican. Hitler was Austrian. History is still history and facts are still facts. Whining and moaning about the "American obcession with masturbating to the Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey Myth" won't change either one. Now certain sorts who are embarressed by facts and willfully ignorant of history will attempt to make ad hominim slanders. This is in their best interest as such shallow weak minded fools rarely have much in the way of facts to back themselves up.....

Yep Napolean was Corsican. Hitler was Austrian. History is still history and facts are still facts. Whining and moaning about the "American obcession with masturbating to the Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey Myth" won't change either one. Now certain sorts who are embarressed by facts and willfully ignorant of history will attempt to make ad hominim slanders. This is in their best interest as such shallow weak minded fools rarely have much in the way of facts to back themselves up.....
Oh! Don't mind it at all. Some people think Hitler was Australian. Names are biaatches. Who cares, really!?! Now, I suspect you are 0ne cycling freak!

Not really I'm more a walker than a biker. But there are tons of bikers in my neighborhood so I hear a lot about it. From the bike courriers, bike cops, Bike commuters, etc. ME I hike and climb.

Not really I'm more a walker than a biker. But there are tons of bikers in my neighborhood so I hear a lot about it. From the bike courriers, bike cops, Bike commuters, etc. ME I hike and climb.Australians seem to do good in the cycling scene too. Must be the climate - cos they couldn't just be better that us...

Dont the Frogs hate anything succesful thats not french

They like clean Greg Le Mond, but they don't like cheaters or other junks like Lance. He really disapointed me, he also was a liar to the young cancer patients.
After all those tests in 3 independent WADA labs, we can say that he was hyper doped. He also showed his guilt by his constant attacks on the only one worlds biggest sport paper as being it "EU" WTF even if it was chinese the amount of evidence is a mega avalanche.

Who was second all those years: Ullrich? Well let us say that he is untill proven doped the real winner.

Bah, fat Ullrich... :rolleyes: Dam Lance, a anti French doped sportsmen is not the best way to sell yourself to the cancer patients.
Shoot him, what a disgrace :upyours:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050823/ts_nm/cycling_armstrong_dc;_ylt=AqzIRNqlC_8kdWexaUDR8AZZ.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Specially bad news for all those that dislike the Stones since their song "Sweet Neo Con" Next step for Armstrong in his continued anti EU attitude is being priest in a hillbilly repblican church. GO LANCE!

Strange hate, regading the fact that he would be a absolute 0 withouth his Belgian trainers and other EU staff (and withouth EPO off course) He likes to kiss Bushes ass on photo but he hates the WADA and the facts.
Hmm a typical sweet neo con liar like the Rolling Stones song.


Lance Armstrong, the American that cold not win withouth. That is the name that sport enthousiasts will remember. Another one :rolleyes:

Lance Rules, pourri L'Equipe villain :gundge:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050825/ap_on_sp_ot/cyc_armstrong_doping_35

Le français jaloux est des perdants endoloris (Jealous French are sore losers).

Ooh, la la, seven. That’s right, Seven :p

Babel Fish did not found your prehistorical blala.Smells like Republican Bibble belt propaganda. You're "champ" is busted, eat it :sniper:

SnippetyWould I be wrong to say that you just disagreed with Lance's effort to try to teach George to ride a bike some...? I mean :"Shoot him". Take a nap.

Undoubtedly, Lance did cheat. There are dozesn of eyewitness accounts, and a positive test to prove it.

Americans can't win anything without cheating.

Er... care to cite one of these eyewitness accounts? I've honestly heard no such thing. And as for this sample, who the hell keeps a sample for six years? Why didn't this come out when the sample was taken? There's a lot about these accusations that's very sketchy.

Not to mention that a lot of Lance's physical improvement over the years came in areas that EPO won't even help with.

Would I be wrong to say that you just disagreed with Lance's effort to try to teach George to ride a bike some...? I mean :"Shoot him". Take a nap.
"Snippety" Er, you mean? he is busted, point.

Nice name btw or this opic, "Velo" (=bike for the monolinguistic fools ;) )

Er... care to cite one of these eyewitness accounts? I've honestly heard no such thing. .

Try reading sportspress last years Even his closest friends busted him at home :rolleyes:

"Snippety" Er, you mean? he is busted, point.
No. I can't be arsed to turn anybody to the MAN. Death threat there, though.

Specially bad news for all those that dislike the Stones since their song "Sweet Neo Con" Next step for Armstrong in his continued anti EU attitude is being priest in a hillbilly repblican church. GO LANCE!

This is funny because, if most accounts are to be believed, Lance is a liberal. We know he's no fan of the war on Iraq, so that pretty much rules out neoconservatism.

You take drugs to cheat, you deserve to b e punished. It has nothing to do with French people. The guy's a wankstain.

This is funny because, if most accounts are to be believed, Lance is a liberal. We know he's no fan of the war on Iraq, so that pretty much rules out neoconservatism.

That is known, but regarding his virulent anti Europeanisme and friendships with Bush, he is seen by 99% as neocon. He talks like one, wether he dislikes the war or not. He is again very hypocryt here.

You take drugs to cheat, you deserve to b e punished. It has nothing to do with French people. The guy's a wankstain.
Do performance enhancing drugs --> be penalized. Agreed. It has nothing to do with the French. Agreed. Guy is a wankstain... he is with Sheryl fucking Crow. He suffers enough.

But. The drugs the article he says he may have used weren't banned in 1999. Cos they simply couldn't detect those then. You consider cycling a drug-free sport? They were prolly all drugged to their eyeballs.

The only thing worth discussing here is Lance's "I have never taken performance enhancing drugs" shtick.

All that can come out of this is that Lance lied. OMG!!! So what!? Under the rules, he didn't 'dope'.

Some people think Hitler was Australian.

WHAT!

WHAT!
Australian... Austrian... same difference. Just look for the Australian tourism board thread.

Let me take a cheap guess. You, Sir, are an American..? I think you sorely miss some aspects of how big cycling is in Europe. But that's okay. You can always learn!



In NO way is Lance Armstrong demonized here. No, he is idolized. Mostly in France. The other cycling nations don't care about him, cos he's too much of a pussy to ride other great ones.
You're right. If he played soccer, he'd be just another nobody.

Try reading sportspress last years Even his closest friends busted him at home :rolleyes:

You have to understand, I live in Austin. Even if there were such stories, I'd be unlikely to hear about them. If you can cite them, please humor me.