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Cindy Sheehan has decided to retrace Jane Fonda's tire tracks in hope of finding the long-lost liberal. Ms Sheehan has announced (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050825/ap_on_re_us/peace_mom) that she will begin a bus tour of the United States in order to protest the war in Iraq.

CRAWFORD, Texas - A fallen soldier's mother said Thursday that the anti-war vigil she started nearly three weeks ago near
President Bush's ranch won't end when she and other protesters pack up their camp next week.
Cindy Sheehan said the day after she leaves Aug. 31, she will embark on a bus tour ending up in Washington, D.C., on Sept. 24. Then the group will start a 24-hour vigil in the nation's capital.

Maybe she will find some trace of the Jane Fonda bus tour that set out with the same goal.

Or, if we're really lucky, Ms Sheehan will disappear into the same abyss that claimed Ms Fonda's publicity.

any maps of there route and possible chock points

Yeah, let's just do away with civil rights activists entirely.

Great idea.

Cindy Sheehan

...needs to get over herself. If she wants cheap spotlight, she should get on reality tv. Stupid attention whore.

Cindy Sheehan

...is a stupid attention whore who needs to get over herself. If she wants cheap fame, she should join a reality show.

...goddamn forums...

*A scientised looks over at his assistant*



"OH MY GOD! I thought we can keep the Sheehan Virus from spreading outside Crawford...i looks like we were wrong...my god helps us all"



She is a bitch....at first you can say alright fine she is a greaving mother...but then she shows up at a convention to help protect a lawyor who helped a terrorest suspect leak info back to his chums...and she also preaches hatred of all things american.....i mean the hatred that comes out of hre mouth....hell i am canadian and i want to kill her :sniper:

Cindy Sheehan


...is a hero to all true Americans. She should have a statue erected in Washington, right next to the Vietnam Memorial.

...is a hero to all true Americans. She should have a statue erected in Washington, right next to the Vietnam Memorial.

Why? Because she's disrespecting the memory of her son and all others who fought in the war.

Why? Because she's disrespecting the memory of her son and all others who fought in the war.

Disrespecting the memory of her son?

Whoa there, cowboy.

*Sneaks into camp, picks up map, erases line to D.C. and re draws a line to the Bermuda Triangle*

Heh, just as easy as last time!

If the whole tour dissappeared, well that'd be dandy.

*A scientised looks over at his assistant*



"OH MY GOD! I thought we can keep the Sheehan Virus from spreading outside Crawford...i looks like we were wrong...my god helps us all"



She is a bitch....at first you can say alright fine she is a greaving mother...but then she shows up at a convention to help protect a lawyor who helped a terrorest suspect leak info back to his chums...and she also preaches hatred of all things american.....i mean the hatred that comes out of hre mouth....hell i am canadian and i want to kill her :sniper:

I'm nearly 100% certain that if her son was here, he's want to seriously mess you up for talking about his mother that way...but I guess you know him better than his mother does.

...is a hero to all true Americans. She should have a statue erected in Washington, right next to the Vietnam Memorial.

True Americans support and respect the President who has the courage to accept the job, rather than overly criticize his every move. If true Americans second-guess every move the President and the nation make, than I want out. I'll be a second-rate American who supports the President and the nation in all that they do, as long as it holds true to America's core values of freedom for all.

And if she has a statue made, it'll either be vandilized or torn down by an angry mob in a few days anyway.

Why? Because she's disrespecting the memory of her son and all others who fought in the war.

No, because she stood up to the facists and demanded they stop their Imperialism. She demanded that they stop using their sons and daughters as the Facists' personal stormtroopers. Hopefully, more follow suit.

Hech, maybe some of the non-indocternated stormtroopers will rise up, and overthrow the facist regime, and restore true democracy to the people.

A bus tour... with gas prices being what they are... This I gotta see. :D

And going on a bus tour after her mother suffered a stroke... Why do I see "complications" ahead if her rallying cry doesn't bring out the numbers she's expecting.

Or, if we're really lucky, Ms Sheehan will disappear into the same abyss that claimed Ms Fonda's publicity.
Not as long as the other side insists on counter-productive counter-protests.

No, because she stood up to the facists and demanded they stop their Imperialism. She demanded that they stop using their sons and daughters and the Facists' personal stormtroopers. Hopefully, more follow suit.

Hech, maybe some of the non-indocternated stormtroopers will rise up, and overthrow the facist regime, and restore true democracy to the people.

If you call our administration facists, than what good are you yourself? Majority vote allowed them in. The PEOPLE showed that they wanted him. We have no imperialism here, if Iraq asks us to leave, we will. But, they asked us to stay. ASKED. Currently, Bush still stands for America's core values, if anyone rises up in an organized revolt, than I'll have no choice but to fight back. And I will gladly, AND HONORABLY, give my life to stop it. Let it be known now so that someone doesn't try to use me as a martyr

No, because she stood up to the facists and demanded they stop their Imperialism. She demanded that they stop using their sons and daughters as the Facists' personal stormtroopers. Hopefully, more follow suit.

Hech, maybe some of the non-indocternated stormtroopers will rise up, and overthrow the facist regime, and restore true democracy to the people.

Yes, I'm sure the troops in Iraq love being compared to Nazi stormtroopers who murdered millions of people....how many Democratic senators voted on giving the President the authority to go to war?

Bush was elected in a certified election via democratic processes. That's democracy as far as I recall, and I urge you to prove otherwise; namely that he is the dictator of a "fascist" regime.

Cindy Sheehan is a deeply distrubed woman who is doing everything that she can to make sure that her son died in vain.

Cindy Sheehan is cannot accept the fact that her son did not believe the same as she did, and by all accounts from his fellow soldiers supported the effort in Iraq.

Cindy Sheehan is doing everything that she can to dishonor my fallen brothers and sisters in arms, including her own son.

All the families of fallen soldiers that Cindy Sheenan and her associates are using for thier own purposes should sue Ms. Sheehan and all those nut job groups who are intentionally dishonoring thier sons and daughters.

If you call our administration facists, than what good are you yourself? Majority vote allowed them in. The PEOPLE showed that they wanted him. We have no imperialism here, if Iraq asks us to leave, we will. But, they asked us to stay. ASKED. Currently, Bush still stands for America's core values, if anyone rises up in an organized revolt, than I'll have no choice but to fight back. And I will gladly, AND HONORABLY, give my life to stop it. Let it be known now so that someone doesn't try to use me as a martyr


Ha! The Core values of murder, death, imperialism, and theft from all races you consider not worthy.

True Americans support and respect the President who has the courage to accept the job, rather than overly criticize his every move.

Yes, let's all line up to kiss George Bushes ass. True Americans stick with the ideal of freedom.

Ha! The Core values of murder, death, imperialism, and theft from all races you consider not worthy.

I'd like some proof of Bush's belief that we should steal from races considered "not worthy", and some real evidence of imperialism.

Why? Because she's disrespecting the memory of her son and all others who fought in the war.On the contrary. Her son was killed in a war. A stupid war that another son dragged this country into because the bad Saddam tried to have his daddy killed. Now, I'm no Saddam fan - but I'm no fan of George W. Idiot either. We're in a stupid war in a stupid place for a stupid set of reasons, and our young men and women are getting killed. Cindy Sheehan wants to know why. So do I.

But instead we're going to have to listen to a bunch of right wing "George-Right-Or-Wrong"ers bad mouth a woman who has had her son killed, and wants a better reason than "Because George said so".

Argue the war, argue the reasons, argue the politics, and if you want to pick on Jane Fonda, go ahead. But have the common decency to leave this woman alone. Has someone repealed her first amendment rights? She can say what she wants, and given the sacrifice her son - and she have made for this stupid pointless war, she should be able to say anything without having thoughtless fools bad mouth her.

I'm in the US Army, by the way

Yes, let's all line up to kiss George Bushes ass. True Americans stick with the ideal of freedom.

Samuel Adams would find a friend in you, sir.

Cindy Sheehan is a deeply distrubed woman who is doing everything that she can to make sure that her son died in vain.

Cindy Sheehan is cannot accept the fact that her son did not believe the same as she did, and by all accounts from his fellow soldiers supported the effort in Iraq.

Cindy Sheehan is doing everything that she can to dishonor my fallen brothers and sisters in arms, including her own son.

All the families of fallen soldiers that Cindy Sheenan and her associates are using for thier own purposes should sue Ms. Sheehan and all those nut job groups who are intentionally dishonoring thier sons and daughters.

Cindy isn't saying her son has to believe the same as she does. All she wants is some straight talk from the President without the omnipresent bullshit that all politicians pepper their words with.

Yes, I'm sure the troops in Iraq love being compared to Nazi stormtroopers who murdered millions of people....how many Democratic senators voted on giving the President the authority to go to war?

Bush was elected in a certified election via democratic processes. That's democracy as far as I recall, and I urge you to prove otherwise; namely that he is the dictator of a "fascist" regime.

Certified by whom? There were no independant, international investigators monitoring the elections. Heck, the manufacturers of the voting machines game money to bush's campagin!

Ha! The Core values of murder, death, imperialism, and theft from all races you consider not worthy.

You are getting very close to the edge. We have NOT murdered. We have FOUGHT BACK against those who slaughter. We HAVE NOT claimed land from this war. And we HAVE NOT stolen anything from Iraq or Afghanistan. We had the ability to take oil, which we despratly need, and we HAVE NOT. America's core values are those of democracy, freedom for all to choose their leaders, and to stop those who would take away that freedom from others.

Yes, let's all line up to kiss George Bushes ass. True Americans stick with the ideal of freedom.

I'd have to agree. Bush doesn't equal America (for the 1,000,000th time).

True Americans support and respect the President who has the courage to accept the job, rather than overly criticize his every move.

Did you support Clinton 100% in Yugoslavia, Somalia, and the airstrikes on Iraq and Afghanistan?

True Americans support and respect the President who has the courage to accept the job, rather than overly criticize his every move.
Does this idea of supporting and respecting apply to all Presidents?
Would your statement be true if the next guy elected was a Democrat? How about if the next guy elected was an authoritarian Communist? Or if he was a Nazi?

Certified by whom? There were no independant, international investigators monitoring the elections. Heck, the manufacturers of the voting machines game money to bush's campagin!

Because the world just HAS to be involved in our INTERNAL affairs.

Does this idea of supporting and respecting apply to all Presidents?
Would your statement be true if the next guy elected was a Democrat? How about if the next guy elected was an authoritarian Communist? Or if he was a Nazi?

*hands Neo a very large cookie*

On the contrary. Her son was killed in a war. A stupid war that another son dragged this country into because the bad Saddam tried to have his daddy killed. Now, I'm no Saddam fan - but I'm no fan of George W. Idiot either. We're in a stupid war in a stupid place for a stupid set of reasons, and our young men and women are getting killed. Cindy Sheehan wants to know why. So do I.

But instead we're going to have to listen to a bunch of right wing "George-Right-Or-Wrong"ers bad mouth a woman who has had her son killed, and wants a better reason than "Because George said so".

Argue the war, argue the reasons, argue the politics, and if you want to pick on Jane Fonda, go ahead. But have the common decency to leave this woman alone. Has someone repealed her first amendment rights? She can say what she wants, and given the sacrifice her son - and she have made for this stupid pointless war, she should be able to say anything without having thoughtless fools bad mouth her.

I'm in the US Army, by the way

So am I, how long have you been in?

Certified by whom? There were no independant, international investigators monitoring the elections. Heck, the manufacturers of the voting machines game money to bush's campagin!

Yes, the same international monitors that declared the Chavez elections "fair and free". The Federal Election Committee and the attorney generals of the states certified the election results, and that decision stands. Bush won, and there is no question about it. No one has proved that he rigged the election nor did he endorse a systematic attempt to do so.

What about the Democratic voter fraud?

You are getting very close to the edge. We have NOT murdered. We have FOUGHT BACK against those who slaughter. We HAVE NOT claimed land from this war. And we HAVE NOT stolen anything from Iraq or Afghanistan. We had the ability to take oil, which we despratly need, and we HAVE NOT. America's core values are those of democracy, freedom for all to choose their leaders, and to stop those who would take away that freedom from others.

Not murdered...im sure the 26,719 (http://www.iraqbodycount.net/database/)Iraqis you killed would n ot constider it a slaughter of holocaust proportions.

What about the Democratic voter fraud?

What about the Republican voter intimidation? Republican voter fraud? The load of bullshit that was the Florida vote count? The load of bullshit that was last year's Ohio vote count, but was quickly thrown out in favor of getting Bush back in office as fast as possible?

Does this idea of supporting and respecting apply to all Presidents?
Would your statement be true if the next guy elected was a Democrat? How about if the next guy elected was an authoritarian Communist? Or if he was a Nazi?

I would respect him for running, I would NOT endorse his actions, as those would most likely contradict America's core values, which are held to a higher standard in my eyes. (Democrats excluded here, as I would vote for whoever I deem will best uphold said values)

Did you support Clinton 100% in Yugoslavia, Somalia, and the airstrikes on Iraq and Afghanistan?

I don't believe 6 year olds are too educated in politics, but from what research I have done on the subject, I'd say yes. In fact, we should've gone further in Somalia.

Does this idea of supporting and respecting apply to all Presidents?
Would your statement be true if the next guy elected was a Democrat? How about if the next guy elected was an authoritarian Communist? Or if he was a Nazi?If he was elected by the American people? yes, I would still support and respect the President.

For If that's what the majority of the American People want, then so be it.

Not murdered...im sure the 26,719 (http://www.iraqbodycount.net/database/)Iraqis you killed would n ot constider it a slaughter of holocaust proportions.

Killed IN BATTLE. Wars have casualties. They have done the same to our troops as we have to them. We cannot be blamed because we are better fighters. Don't go on about civilians because crud happens. Innocents get in the line of fire, that's just life in any war.

its going to be quite a different experience living on the street in DC. i wonder how long she can last in that environment.

Cindy isn't saying her son has to believe the same as she does. All she wants is some straight talk from the President without the omnipresent bullshit that all politicians pepper their words with.

then why is she using his death to advance ideas that the rest of his family says that he did not agree with?

If he was elected by the American people? yes, I would still support and respect the President.

For If that's what the majority of the American People want, then so be it.

AH! Someone who get's it. *Hands over an even bigger cookie, and a glass of milk*

Killed IN BATTLE. Wars have casualties. They have done the same to our troops as we have to them. We cannot be blamed because we are better fighters. Don't go on about civilians because crud happens. Innocents get in the line of fire, that's just life in any war.

So these 27000 odd people just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time? Hmmmmm...

I'm nearly 100% certain that if her son was here, he's want to seriously mess you up for talking about his mother that way...but I guess you know him better than his mother does.


no i dont...and neither do you....am i right? so how can you be 100% certain?



Besides i hate her for the simple reason that some of the stuff she has said is wrong,hateful and arrogent at its purest form.

What about the Republican voter intimidation? Republican voter fraud? The load of bullshit that was the Florida vote count? The load of bullshit that was last year's Ohio vote count, but was quickly thrown out in favor of getting Bush back in office as fast as possible?

The Democrats paying in crack to register voters? Or slashing tires?

I'm no fan of Bush on more thn a few issues, but the "stolen election" argument is old.There were abuses on both sides, and I don't deny it. It has always happened, and despite the recounts Bush still won and was certified by the FEC. No one has made a definite case of fraud.

It's time to move on and try to get those Big Government/pork barrel scumbags, special interest whores, and PNAC monsters out of office. Dwelling on the past isn't going to take back the Congress nor the Whitehouse in' 06 and '08.

So these 27000 odd people just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time? Hmmmmm...

The INNOCCENT were, we all are at one point in time in our lives. Those who slaughtered others, or were part of an orginization that did so were enemies, and died in purposeful combat with our soldiers.

...is a hero to all true Americans. She should have a statue erected in Washington, right next to the Vietnam Memorial.
over my dead body

What about the Republican voter intimidation? Republican voter fraud? Funny that... my friend's Grandmother who died 10 yrs ago still gets her Voter Regestration card mailed to her... and she suddenly switched to Democrat.
The load of bullshit that was the Florida vote count?you mean the "lets count the chads with little indents on it, even tho they puched out the other chad because it's an indication that the dimpled chad is their 'real' vote" bullshit that the Democrats were spewing? or was it Gore's repeated cry of Recount even while they were recounting because he saw Bush's lead increase?
The load of bullshit that was last year's Ohio vote count, but was quickly thrown out in favor of getting Bush back in office as fast as possible?no it was done to prevent another Florida fiasco.

Killed IN BATTLE. Wars have casualties. They have done the same to our troops as we have to them. We cannot be blamed because we are better fighters. Don't go on about civilians because crud happens. Innocents get in the line of fire, that's just life in any war.

Question: You ever served?

AH! Someone who get's it. *Hands over an even bigger cookie, and a glass of milk*Mmmmmmm Coookieessss :D

over my dead body

Make that two. If people think a body count is bad overseas, maybe a body count at HOME will shock people into their senses. Death happens for a cause. And don't say that not everybody in the army..yada yada....when you sign up, you pledge to support this country. Cindy's son supported the war, that should be good enough for her. My cousin supported the war and was over there. We'll die to support our cause HERE, where the real resistance is!

over my dead body

Oh that would be easy.

All it would take is the goverment announcing they are going to do it and you would do a Homer Simpson grab your chest, scream "DOH" and down you go! :p

Question: You ever served?

No sir, I am unfortunatly underage at the time. Annapolis is, however, on my lists of colleges/universites that I'm looking into. My cousin, and best friend's dad are both serving in Iraq, though, and are both behind the war 100%. My family has fought in every war since WWI

Make that two. If people think a body count is bad overseas, maybe a body count at HOME will shock people into their senses.

Didn't that already happen?

Oh that would be easy.

All it would take is the goverment announcing they are going to do it and you would do a Homer Simpson grab your chest, scream "DOH" and down you go! :p

I think he meant that he will stand in the way and make them use lethal force to remove him.

Didn't that already happen?

Could be, don't know. Spend too much time here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gymoor II The Return
I'm nearly 100% certain that if her son was here, he's want to seriously mess you up for talking about his mother that way...but I guess you know him better than his mother does.




no i dont...and neither do you....am i right? so how can you be 100% certain?



Besides i hate her for the simple reason that some of the stuff she has said is wrong,hateful and arrogent at its purest form. She is not just a greaving mother in my opinion anymore...but is a tool of the left to use to further their own gains....and she was also at a rally for a lawyer that was accused of helping the terrorists.

No sir, I am unfortunatly underage at the time. Annapolis is, however, on my lists of colleges/universites that I'm looking into. My cousin, and best friend's dad are both serving in Iraq, though, and are both behind the war 100%. My family has fought in every war since WWI

Ahh. It's not a slam. Just asking from an observation of other comments.

I have found that people that talk so easily about civilian deaths and soldiers die tend to be from people that have not served.

Good luck on Annapolis....

I think he meant that he will stand in the way and make them use lethal force to remove him.

It's a joke. That's the reason for the smily ;)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gymoor II The Return
I'm nearly 100% certain that if her son was here, he's want to seriously mess you up for talking about his mother that way...but I guess you know him better than his mother does.




no i dont...and neither do you....am i right? so how can you be 100% certain?



Besides i hate her for the simple reason that some of the stuff she has said is wrong,hateful and arrogent at its purest form. She is not just a greaving mother in my opinion anymore...but is a tool of the left to use to further their own gains....and she was also at a rally for a lawyer that was accused of helping the terrorists.

That basically sums up what I think too.

Now, it's late here, the gun barrels are overheating, they need to cool awhile. I'll be back in about 14 hours or so, so until then, play nice everybody!!! (And despite all the differences here, I wish you ALL a good night)

Could be, don't know. Spend too much time here.

Wow my delivery is bad today. That was a 9/11 reference.....

Ahh. It's not a slam. Just asking from an observation of other comments.

I have found that people that talk so easily about civilian deaths and soldiers die tend to be from people that have not served.

Good luck on Annapolis....

Didn't view it as one, and I do agree on your second part. Thank you for the third one, but it's up to a politician. :rolleyes:

Yeah, you're right on 9/11, but that was 'stan. And I'm not too bright with smilies, I just tend to over look them. :rolleyes: <--Overlook, get it? nevermind, I'm out.

Disrespecting the memory of her son?

Whoa there, cowboy.
Considering her son re-enlisted after the iraq war had started and knew very damned well that he could be going to Iraq I'd say yes, she is.

Considering her son re-enlisted after the iraq war had started and knew very damned well that he could be going to Iraq I'd say yes, she is.

How? No one ever says how, they just say she is. It makes my B.S. detector go into meltdown mode.

Cindy Sheehan is a uniting force. Both for the anti-war protestors who see Iraq as a quagmire started on blatant lies, and also for the pod people Busheviks who see her as The Enemy speaking ill of Their Messiah and must therefore die for her crimes against Humanity.

They also suddenly talk about her dishonoring Casey like they knew him personally and he said to them, "Gee, I don't know why Mom's protesting, I like to kill Eye-rack-ees."

Riiiiiiight. :rolleyes:

Way to go Cindy, keep exposing those Bushites for what they are, Imperialistic war-mongers, feasting on the blood of innocent Iraqis and threating Venzuala for Oil.

Samuel Adams would find a friend in you, sir.
Hell I find a friend in him lol

How? No one ever says how, they just say she is. It makes my B.S. detector go into meltdown mode.
She has claimed, repeatedly, that Bush forced her son into a situation where he died. If he re-enlisted with the knowledge in the forefront of his mind that he was probably going to be called up to Iraq than he was not in any way, shape, or form forced into his situation by Bush. This is especially true when you learn the story of how he died.




http://commonfolkcommonsense.blogspot.com/2005/08/facts-on-casey-sheehen.html

Casey Sheehan died in Baghdad, Iraq, when his unit was attacked with rocket-propelled grenades and small arms fire. He was assigned to 1st Battalion, 82nd Field Artillery Regiment, 1st Cavalry Division, Fort Hood, Texas. He died on April 4, 2004.

On April 4th, 2004, al'Sadr's Mahdi forces blocked roadways and bridges with burning tires, vehicles and trash. Visibility was less than 300 meters anywhere in the city. They began to attack American vehicles on patrol throughout Sadr City - some were protecting Shia worshipers (Holy Arbayeen) while others were escorting city government vehicles.

A battle raged across Sadr City. Insurgents assaulted American troops while looters and mobs formed and stormed through the streets. Word spread quickly across the American FOBs that there was trouble.

Soldiers of the 2nd Battalion, 5th Cavalry Regiment were ambushed with RPGs and pinned down and dying. While fighting off an attack himself, the Commander of the 2/5th, LTC Volesky, called for help. A Quick Reaction Force (QRF) was formed of volunteers - their mission was to go out and rescue the American troops.

Casey Sheehan's Sergeant asked for volunteers. Sheehan had just returned from Mass. After Sheehan volunteered once, the Sergeant asked Sheehan again if he wanted to go on the mission. According to many reports (and according to his own mother), Casey responded, "Where my Chief goes, I go."

The QRF was launched. Not long after entering the Mahdi area, the QRF was channeled onto a dead-end street where the roofs were lined with snipers, RPGs, and even some militia throwing burning tires onto the vehicles. The Mahdi blocked the exit and let loose with everything they had.

Sheehan's vehicle was hit with multiple RPGs and automatic-weapons fire.

Specialist Casey Sheehan and Corporal Forest J. Jostes were killed.


The real story is brief enough. Casey Sheehan enlisted in the Army in 2000 at age 20. The country was at peace. When he was asked to reenlist four years later, he knew that he would probably be sent to Iraq. He reenlisted anyway. In March 2004, he was sent to Iraq as a mechanic attached to the artillery division of the 1st Cavalry Division. When a convoy was attacked in Sadr City a month later, he volunteered to join the rescue mission — although he had no obligation to take part in combat. He was awarded the Purple Heart and the Bronze Star.

Did he intend to say, "I love my country?" Or was he tricked into saying it? He volunteered to reenlist with the war underway — as an experienced young man, not a teenager. Then he volunteered again, for a dangerous mission above and beyond the call of duty. He was also a devout Roman Catholic. So therefore what message emerges? What it sounds like to me is: "I devote my life lovingly to my country and my God."

He died on a volunteer rescue mission. Not exactly something he was forced to do.

She has claimed, repeatedly, that Bush forced her son into a situation where he died. If he re-enlisted with the knowledge in the forefront of his mind that he was probably going to be called up to Iraq than he was not in any way, shape, or form forced into his situation by Bush. This is especially true when you learn the story of how he died.




http://commonfolkcommonsense.blogspot.com/2005/08/facts-on-casey-sheehen.html



He died on a volunteer rescue mission. Not exactly something he was forced to do.

The "situation where he died" was not the specific mission where he lost his life. The "situation" is the Iraq War.

With me so far?

Next, Cindy has never said, "my son was an idiot for re-enlisting." She also has indicated that Casey had doubts about the war, but that he felt that it was his duty and obligation to be with his fellow soldiers, because he cared so deeply for the men he served with. This sounds above and beyond noble to me.

Still there?

Next, Cindy wants some straight answers from the man ultimately responsible for the start of the Iraq War as to why this war was really started and why it was so poorly planned.

Unless you are a blind partisan, none of this reflects negatively on her son in any way, shape or form. I don't even see how that leap can even start to be taken, nor have you even began to explain how you made that leap. His final mission has nothing to do with what Cindy is saying. That mission would never have happened if the Iraq War hadn't been started.

So, I ask again, perhaps backed up by direct quotes from Cindy Sheehan, how she is dishonoring her son?

Think about it another way. If you had a child who died in Mogadishu, and you wanted answers from Clinton, would you be dishonoring your child's memory? Hell no. If some parent did that, you'd have probably been in the front row rah rah rah-ing them on. The only difference? Pure. blind partisan hackery.

You're a military man, right? How would you react if someone said your mother doesn't love you? You'd go medieval on their ass, even if you'd just had a fight with your mother about politics.
Go stand in the corner.

Maybe she will find some trace of the Jane Fonda bus tour that set out with the same goal.
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I believe there was a sighting at Donner Pass. Although thats pure speculation since no one sent out anyone to confirm.

She is disrespecting her son by going on television and talking about how america is evil and wrong and that america and the isreil are imperialistic...how she defendes a lawyer accused of helping terrorists...how she splits a nation even more in a period where standing together as a people is needed....how she accuses the president for killing his son...even though he volunteer for that rescue mission...even though he went for his comrads not his country....even though he re-enlisted to go back to iraq.


and you know is the sadist part is....when people think of the name Sheehan,they wont go "the brave man who volunteered to rescue fellow soldiers"

no my fellow typers they will think of his mom and the hatered that came out of her fucking mouth.

She is disrespecting her son by going on television and talking about how america is evil and wrong and that america and the isreil are imperialistic...how she defendes a lawyer accused of helping terrorists...how she splits a nation even more in a period where standing together as a people is needed....how she accuses the president for killing his son...even though he volunteer for that rescue mission...even though he went for his comrads not his country....even though he re-enlisted to go back to iraq.


and you know is the sadist part is....when people think of the name Sheehan,they wont go "the brave man who volunteered to rescue fellow soldiers"

no my fellow typers they will think of his mom and the hatered that came out of her fucking mouth.

How can you be so dim as to not be able to tell hatred of Bush from hatred of America?

As far as splitting a nation even further...since Bush's approval ratings were under 50% before she started her protest, and they've dropped further since then, it sounds like she's uniting America to me. What, did you fail basic math? A majority of Americans now think the Iraq war was not worth it. How does agreeing with them divide America?

Reality is fun, isn't it?

Casey (gee, I easily remember his name,) would probably kick your ass for talking about his mom like that, though unlike you, I don't claim to know him. It just seems reasonable that he would object to some anonymous person on the internet dragging his mom's name through the mud.

...needs to get over herself. If she wants cheap spotlight, she should get on reality tv. Stupid attention whore.
Good Lord I pray you're not serious.

I'll say one thing for her: She sure took everyone's mind off the Karl Rove spy scandal thingy.

How can you be so dim as to not be able to tell hatred of Bush for Hatred of America?

As far as splitting a nation even further...since Bush's approval ratings were under 50% before she started her protest, and they've dropped further since then, it sounds like she's uniting America to me. What, did you fail basic math?



SHE CALLED TERRORISTS FREEDOM FIGHTERS...the same men who killed her son are freedom fighters.....ohhhh and everyone she already met with Bush before this stupid Fiasco.


i pity you sir that to prove a point you must insult my intelligence....well you get A for effort...AND A COOKIE...now choke on the cookie


and now a message from the president of the united states of america http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/4443/fu5oe.jpg

I don't claim to know him. It just seems reasonable that he would object to some anonymous person on the internet dragging his mom's name through the mud.



Sorry but she beat me to it buddy.

How can you be so dim as to not be able to tell hatred of Bush from hatred of America?



hey...she said that and i quote


CINDY SHEEHAN: America has been killing people, like my sister over here said, since we first stepped on this continent. And we have been responsible for death and destruction.

It's OK for Israel to occupy Palestine, but it's — Yeah, and it's OK for Iraq to occupy -- I mean, for the United States to occupy Iraq, but it's not OK for Syria to be in Lebanon. They're a bunch of f---ing hypocrites. And we need to... We just need to rise up.


i dont know about you man but the whole America Killing people part and the Rise up part
says otherwise.



(source:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166503,00.html)

hey...she said that and i quote





i dont know about you man but the whole America Killing people part and the Rise up part
says otherwise.



(source:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166503,00.html)

:rolleyes: stating the truth does not mean you hate something. America has a bloody history, as does every other nation on the planet. Hell, we almost obliterated the native americans and broke just about every treaty we made with them. Geez. Loving something, or simply not hating it, doesn't mean being blind to it's faults. You, my friend, are co-dependant on America. That's not healthy. Learn to have an adult and healthy relationship with your country.

Also, the latter part of the her statement refers to the leadership of America, not America itself. She was not calling you or our the soldiers hypocrites.

SHE CALLED TERRORISTS FREEDOM FIGHTERS...the same men who killed her son are freedom fighters.....ohhhh and everyone she already met with Bush before this stupid Fiasco.


i pity you sir that to prove a point you must insult my intelligence....well you get A for effort...AND A COOKIE...now choke on the cookie


and now a message from the president of the united states of america http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/4443/fu5oe.jpg

Funny that I couldn't find that quote anywhere else besides Newsmax, Worldnetdaily, the freerepublic and Ann Coulter. Oh, I think I also saw a site called themightyrighty. Hmmm. Fox News didn't even have a quote, though O'Reilly did toss out a comment on it on his blog, conspicuously without any quotation marks. I know. I searched for it there, just to be sure. I guess they didn't want to stoop so low. Then again, I guess Fox News is all part of the liberal conspiracy. :rolleyes:

Putting that aside, you do realize that Reagan and Bush referred to the brutal Contras as freedom fighters? The Mujahedeen, who were trained and funded by the CIA and who contained members of the Taliban and a funny little fellow named Osama Bin Laden were also referred to by the American government (Republican at the time,) as "freedom fighters." Oh noes!1!!!!11!!eleven! Reagan hated America! Bush Sr. hates America! They hate our soldiers!

Freedom fighter does not mean "nice guy." It means rebel, insurgent, guerilla, revolutionary, etc. Of course, with Bush repeating "freedom" over and over again, I guess it kinda colored your perceptions. After all, you seem to believe that people really hate us for our freedoms. How come we don't hate the Dutch? Hmmm.

Sit down son, you just got punked. Wipe the spittle off your screen. I didn't have to insult your intelligence, you're doing just fine.

sorry about the bush finger pic i have been dieing to use it LOL

sorry about the bush finger pic i have been dieing to use it LOL

A middle finger has never bothered me. Unless it's an ufia.

Argue the war, argue the reasons, argue the politics, and if you want to pick on Jane Fonda, go ahead. But have the common decency to leave this woman alone. Has someone repealed her first amendment rights? She can say what she wants, and given the sacrifice her son - and she have made for this stupid pointless war, she should be able to say anything without having thoughtless fools bad mouth her.
Free speech works both ways.

She has the right to protest.
I have the right to say she's a fruit.

And frankly . . . she's a fruit.

She is disrespecting her son by going on television and talking about how america is evil and wrong and that america and the isreil are imperialistic...how she defendes a lawyer accused of helping terrorists...how she splits a nation even more in a period where standing together as a people is needed....how she accuses the president for killing his son...even though he volunteer for that rescue mission...even though he went for his comrads not his country....even though he re-enlisted to go back to iraq.


and you know is the sadist part is....when people think of the name Sheehan,they wont go "the brave man who volunteered to rescue fellow soldiers"

no my fellow typers they will think of his mom and the hatered that came out of her fucking mouth.If you believe he died in a good cause, then remember this, pin-head. That cause is to ensure that both you, and his mother, can say anything you want to.

Yes, he was a brave soldier. Yes, he went were he and his unit was ordered to go, and did what he and his unit were ordered to do.

No, he and his unit shouldn't have been there in the first place.

Yes, Bush is a consumate idiot.

Free speech works both ways.

She has the right to protest.
I have the right to say she's a fruit.

And frankly . . . she's a fruit.

She can say what she wants, but she must remember, she's still michael moore's little whore.

Yeah, there's probably someone in the background pulling the strings. It's been shown in numerous of these inccidents.

Not murdered...im sure the 26,719 (http://www.iraqbodycount.net/database/)Iraqis you killed would n ot constider it a slaughter of holocaust proportions.
Actually only 9,000 people have actually been killed by US forces. You'll find that out if you delve deeper into the site.

Bush is also not a dictator. He was elected in 2004 and is going to leave office in 2009.

Actually only 9,000 people have actually been killed by US forces. You'll find that out if you delve deeper into the site.

Bush is also not a dictator. He was elected in 2004 and is going to leave office in 2009.

I THOUGHT there was something odd about that number. 9000 does seem a little realistic. Just one question though, does that include civilians, or just terrorists?

Actually only 9,000 people have actually been killed by US forces. You'll find that out if you delve deeper into the site.

Bush is also not a dictator. He was elected in 2004 and is going to leave office in 2009.only 9,000 people...how does that stack up if you happen to be one of the only 9,000?

And yes, free speech means everyone who wants to can bad mouth Cindy Sheehan.

She's right - but you can still bad mouth her.

only 9,000 people...how does that stack up if you happen to be one of the only 9,000?

And yes, free speech means everyone who wants to can bad mouth Cindy Sheehan.

She's right - but you can still bad mouth her.

By being oppressors, they got what they deserved. And, according to area religion, (NOT FLAMING/BAITING) they probably believe that they're going to heaven for killing infidels themselves.

...is a hero to all true Americans. She should have a statue erected in Washington, right next to the Vietnam Memorial.

yea right...can you say...bullshit!

what a media whore :sniper:

Once again, over my dead body!

True Americans support and respect the President who has the courage to accept the job, rather than overly criticize his every move. If true Americans second-guess every move the President and the nation make, than I want out. I'll be a second-rate American who supports the President and the nation in all that they do, as long as it holds true to America's core values of freedom for all.

And if she has a statue made, it'll either be vandilized or torn down by an angry mob in a few days anyway.


"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt


2nd time I've seen that quoted today. :D

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt

Teddy Roosevelt, a second-rate American.

2nd time I've seen that quoted today. :D

I'm going to keep quoiting it and similar statements about what patriotism and respect for America really means until some of these people get a clue.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt

I never said we shouldn't criticize him, I said we shouldn't second-guess his every move until the cows come home. And we shouldn't stand next to him right or wrong, we should be standing next to the core values of America at every time. Don't go lecturing me on patriotism, besides, I fought this battle last night.

I never said we shouldn't criticize him, I said we shouldn't second-guess his every move until the cows come home. And we shouldn't stand next to him right or wrong, we should be standing next to the core values of America at every time. Don't go lecturing me on patriotism, besides, I fought this battle last night.

You were wrong last night too.

Your continued suggestions that you would use violence to silence voices that you disagree with are not great examples of "the core values of America."

I never said we shouldn't criticize him, I said we shouldn't second-guess his every move until the cows come home. And we shouldn't stand next to him right or wrong, we should be standing next to the core values of America at every time. Don't go lecturing me on patriotism, besides, I fought this battle last night.

If we disagree with his every move, why shouldn't we be vocal about it? Why should we be silent about our disapproval?

You were wrong last night too.

Your continued suggestions that you would use violence to silence voices that you disagree with are not great examples of "the core values of America."

Who said anything about violence to shut them up? While I agree that in the end there will be violence, I never said that they should be shut up, I said that they should shut THEMSELVES up before it gets to the violence.

If we disagree with his every move, why shouldn't we be vocal about it? Why should we be silent about our disapproval?

It's one thing to bring up, "Hey, maybe that wasn't the right thing to do." But once you get into this quagmire, it's totally different. Second-guessing is when were sitting years after the go-ahead on the brink of a riot because of it.

It's one thing to bring up, "Hey, maybe that wasn't the right thing to do." But once you get into this quagmire, it's totally different. Second-guessing is when were sitting years after the go-ahead on the brink of a riot because of it.

Then you suggest that since those who disagreed were ignored when the go-ahead was given, they should just fall silent?

Who said anything about violence to shut them up? While I agree that in the end there will be violence, I never said that they should be shut up, I said that they should shut THEMSELVES up before it gets to the violence.

And, pray tell, how that is morally superior to a threat?

You wish to silence those you disagree with. You have said you are polishing your gun for if they won't be quiet. You have said you would fight and kill to prevent a statue of Ms. Sheehan.

Please think about what you are saying. It isn't pretty.

Then you suggest that since those who disagreed were ignored when the go-ahead was given, they should just fall silent?

No, but this just ain't right. This is fanaticism at its worst.

And, pray tell, how that is morally superior to a threat?

You wish to silence those you disagree with. You have said you are polishing your gun for if they won't be quiet. You have said you would fight and kill to prevent a statue of Ms. Sheehan.

Please think about what you are saying. It isn't pretty.

A threat is just that, a promise of violence. Newsflash, I don't own a gun. And yes, I would stamd amd die, because someone like Sheehan does not deserve a statue, for she stand sagainst almost everything American.

No, but this just ain't right. This is fanaticism at its worst.

A threat is just that, a promise of violence. Newsflash, I don't own a gun. And yes, I would, because someone like Sheehan does not deserve a statue, for she stand sagainst almost everything American.

The irony, the irony.

No, but this just ain't right. This is fanaticism at its worst.



A threat is just that, a promise of violence. Newsflash, I don't own a gun. And yes, I would, because someone like Sheehan does not deserve a statue, for she stand sagainst almost everything American.

You would murder people over the displaying of a statue? You sir have no right to accuse other people of fanaticism.

You would murder people over the displaying of a statue? You sir have no right to accuse other people of fanaticism.

I didn't say I would murder, there are many more ways to stand firm in a stance. I said I would die to stop it.

I didn't say I would murder, there are many more ways to stand firm in a stance. I said I would die to stop it.

You specifically said you would kill. Look at my post and your answer again.

Again, think about what you are saying.

In America, we should be able to freely exchange ideas without threat of violence.

Yes, freely exchange ideas. A statue, however, is not debateable because it is out there, much like our NS nation's flag.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=440467&page=1&pp=15

Enough said.

Yeah, let's just do away with civil rights activists entirely.

Great idea.

I know... they're all on a self-obsessed publicity drive... they really need to do something with their lives, like getting a job.