NationStates Jolt Archive

Reasons I do support President Bush

1. War on Terror-think Middle east Roadtrip

2. Support of conservative policies

3. Tax cuts

4. Willingness to go to war without the UN to protect America, and not allow
them to decide when we can defend ourselves.

5. Will not bend over to the Democrats and turn tail from iraq.

6. No new anti-2nd Amendment legislation and a new Industry protection bill, which he will sign.

7. Not nominating a flaming socialist to the supreme court-YIPEE!!

What I don't like

1. Supported renewal of the so-called "Assault weapons ban" even if it was only for face value.

2. Not building a fence along the southern border with our most problematic neighbor, mexico. Not only would it save lives (150 or so illegals have died in the heat thus far this year) but keep alqaeda from using it to infiltrate the border.

3. Not hanging/putting on trial all the detainees in Gitmo. C'mon, I've had my fun watching them squirm under my infidel eyes, hangem' and make room for more.

4. Not killing the 1986 Machinegun ban...I'd love to own an RPK.

I'm pretty sure there's more of both....

u r dum, lol

Reasons I do support President Bush

1. War on Terror-think Middle east Roadtrip

That's a BAD thing

Ok now it's my turn...

Reasons I do NOT support President Bush

1. War on Terror-think Middle east Roadtrip

2. Support of conservative policies

3. Not putting on trial all the detainees in Gitmo.

4. Willingness to go to war without the UN to protect America, and not allow
them to decide when we can defend ourselves.

6. No new anti-2nd Amendment legislation and a new Industry protection bill, which he will sign.

What I DO LIKE

2. Not building a fence along the southern border with our most problematic neighbor, mexico.

If he didn't do that then good for him.

I can't see anything he's done that I do like however. Republicans, Bush supporters, conservatives, in betweens, Mesatecala, Corneliu... help me out here. I'm sure there's something I would've liked.

Ok now it's my turn...

Reasons I do NOT support President Bush

1. War on Terror-think Middle east Roadtrip

2. Support of conservative policies

3. Not putting on trial all the detainees in Gitmo.

4. Willingness to go to war without the UN to protect America, and not allow
them to decide when we can defend ourselves.

6. No new anti-2nd Amendment legislation and a new Industry protection bill, which he will sign.

What I DO LIKE

2. Not building a fence along the southern border with our most problematic neighbor, mexico.

If he didn't do that then good for him.

I can't see anything he's done that I do like however. Republicans, Bush supporters, conservatives, in betweens, Mesatecala, Corneliu... help me out here. I'm sure there's something I would've liked.

The "do not call" list.

I can't see anything he's done that I do like however. Republicans, Bush supporters, conservatives, in betweens, Mesatecala, Corneliu... help me out here. I'm sure there's something I would've liked.

I'm no Bush supporter, but I do have to say the economy is doing well. Not as well as during the bubble years, but quite outstanding given the amount of shit thrown at it over the past 5 years.

Of course, the President has only the most rudimentary effect on the economy, but...that's another issue in itself.

u r dum, lol
Wow, the nuance and intelligence that exudes from this forum is incredible.

The "do not call" list.
:D LOL

I mostly disagree, but this one primarily caught my attention:
4. Willingness to go to war without the UN to protect America, and not allow them to decide when we can defend ourselves.
Is that even remotely a good thing? As a member of the United Nations, the US is meant to adhere to its decisions (decided democratically, obviously) on the global scene. It can't accept the resolutions it likes and just ignore the rest. What's more, the UN's job is not to "protect America", but to decide, in this case, the best course of action for international politics that concern its members. Of course, the organizartion came to a stance, which was shamelessly ignored by Bush, who went on and happily started messing countries up all over Middle East for even the slightest rumours about connections to Al Qaeda, possession of WMDs, etc. The real reason, of course, is oil.

The real reason, of course, is oil.
Not that I support the war, but my gas prices are still rising.

Not that I support the war, but my gas prices are still rising.

Yes, and oil company profits are at an all-time high.

As a member of the United Nations, the US is meant to adhere to its decisions (decided democratically, obviously) on the global scene. It can't accept the resolutions it likes and just ignore the rest.
Indeed. But America has been developing bad habits, it seems. As we all know, the US doesn't live up to its' trade agreements if it doesn't like those, either. At least the ones they've entered into with my country, Canada.

Not that I support the war, but my gas prices are still rising.

That's because we need the oil for war, silly goose!

I mostly disagree, but this one primarily caught my attention:

Is that even remotely a good thing? As a member of the United Nations, the US is meant to adhere to its decisions (decided democratically, obviously) on the global scene. It can't accept the resolutions it likes and just ignore the rest. What's more, the UN's job is not to "protect America", but to decide, in this case, the best course of action for international politics that concern its members. Of course, the organizartion came to a stance, which was shamelessly ignored by Bush, who went on and happily started messing countries up all over Middle East for even the slightest rumours about connections to Al Qaeda, possession of WMDs, etc. The real reason, of course, is oil.

With all due respect, the United States is the United Nations. Without the U.S., the U.N. would have the international authority of a retarded kid that worked the cash register at McDonald's.

"Or else we'll be very, very angry with you, and we'll send you a letter telling you how angry we are."

With all due respect, the United States is the United Nations. Without the U.S., the U.N. would have the international authority of a retarded kid that worked the cash register at McDonald's.

"Or else we'll be very, very angry with you, and we'll send you a letter telling you how angry we are."

The UN is crap. Unilateral action run by an idiot is worse.

Indeed. But America has been developing bad habits, it seems. As we all know, the US doesn't live up to its' trade agreements if it doesn't like those, either. At least the ones they've entered into with my country, Canada.

Yeah...that softwood lumber thing is really weird. I mean, it's not that big a sector of our economy and it's one of your largest exports; this is retaliation by Bush and the Congress for something petty, and now they're just acting like children.

Yah, those tax cuts did us a bunch of good, what is Bush's current deficit again??? Lets keep on pouring our American dollars into other countries, such as Iraq, and we mind as well just lay down and let China walk all over us, we are helping them be our superiors 20 years from now.

The UN is crap. Unilateral action run by an idiot is worse.

That's fair, and it's also fair to say that Bush is an idiot, but it's not really fair to say that he's running things, or to say that the actions his administration has taken have been unilateral.

Yah, those tax cuts did us a bunch of good, what is Bush's current deficit again??? Lets keep on pouring our American dollars into other countries, such as Iraq, and we mind as well just lay down and let China walk all over us, we are helping them be our superiors 20 years from now.

The deficit isn't particularly large in GDP terms. However, you have to criticise Bush for wasting billions of dollars on pork and terribly planned bureaucracy spending (the Medicare benefit), and never vetoing a spending bill. Tax cuts are fine, but you have to cut spending at the same time.

That's because we need the oil for war, silly goose!

And for:

makeup
Gas for our cars
plastic

and more. Oil is used in many many products.

I do not support Bush.

1. His tax cuts lowered the value of the American dollar and will hurt the country in the long run.

2. Involving America in perhaps the most unjustified war this nation has been involved in. (You guessed it, Iraq)

3. Follows a conservative policy of "borrow and spend." (Republicans bash dems for taxing and spending, while I would rather tax and spend than spend and not have the money to pay for it because of tax cuts so you are forced to borrow massive amounts of money from China.)

4. Ruining relations with our former allies.

5. An overall embarasment to this country.

Will not bend over to the Democrats and turn tail from iraq.

We will just wait and see. In 2006 Americans will realize what path the republicans are leading them. The dems will gain control of both the house and senate, and once that is done they will cut off all funding to Iraq. Than Bush will have no choice but to leave.

And btw, they can't put on trial the prisoners at Guantamano because they don't have any evidence against the majority of them.

Yah, those tax cuts did us a bunch of good, what is Bush's current deficit again??? Lets keep on pouring our American dollars into other countries, such as Iraq, and we mind as well just lay down and let China walk all over us, we are helping them be our superiors 20 years from now.

Roughly 330 Billion and shrinking!

His tax cuts lowered the value of the American dollar and will hurt the country in the long run.

Which, in turn, encourages foreign investment and raises the value of the dollar even higher, helping the country in the longer run.

Involving America in perhaps the most unjustified war this nation has been involved in. (You guessed it, Iraq)

Judging by the way you wrote this sentence, I'm pretty sure I shouldn't even bother.

Ruining relations with our former allies.

True enough. I'm sure we'll miss all the aid and support they've given us over the years.



We will just wait and see. In 2006 Americans will realize what path the republicans are leading them. The dems will gain control of both the house and senate, and once that is done they will cut off all funding to Iraq. Than Bush will have no choice but to leave.

Haha, you wish.

And btw, they can't put on trial the prisoners at Guantamano because they don't have any evidence against the majority of them.

Meh.

The deficit isn't particularly large in GDP terms. However, you have to criticise Bush for wasting billions of dollars on pork and terribly planned bureaucracy spending (the Medicare benefit), and never vetoing a spending bill. Tax cuts are fine, but you have to cut spending at the same time.
Agreed.
Plus he’s a social authoritarian and a supporter of corporate welfare.

The "do not call" list.

Bastard that was going to be mine! :D

Agreed.
Plus he’s a social authoritarian and a supporter of corporate welfare.

The new generation of Strong Government (in other words, government everwhere regardless of necessity) conservatism is one of the most disturbing trends I've seen in a while. We need less government regulation, more personal freedom, and less government intervention in the economy.

The conservatism of the past are dead.

The UN is crap. Unilateral action run by an idiot is worse.

What? The shrub is running the UN? When did that happen? Oh wait I forgot Poland!

For the impaired [/sarcasm]

I mostly disagree, but this one primarily caught my attention:

Is that even remotely a good thing? As a member of the United Nations, the US is meant to adhere to its decisions (decided democratically, obviously) on the global scene. It can't accept the resolutions it likes and just ignore the rest. What's more, the UN's job is not to "protect America", but to decide, in this case, the best course of action for international politics that concern its members. Of course, the organizartion came to a stance, which was shamelessly ignored by Bush, who went on and happily started messing countries up all over Middle East for even the slightest rumours about connections to Al Qaeda, possession of WMDs, etc. The real reason, of course, is oil.

Just as you said, the UN's job is not to protect America, therefore we must do it ourself. The UN cannot even protect primitive natives from being slaughtered-as in Rwanda.

If oil was the reason then why do I pay 2.50 a gallon for diesel?

And for:

makeup
Gas for our cars
plastic

and more. Oil is used in many many products.

And why aren't those prices climbing? (excluding gas of course)

Wait women put crude oil on their faces?

With all due respect, the United States is the United Nations. Without the U.S., the U.N. would have the international authority of a retarded kid that worked the cash register at McDonald's.

"Or else we'll be very, very angry with you, and we'll send you a letter telling you how angry we are."

Oh...my...BWHAHAHA!

And why aren't those prices climbing? (ecluding gas of course)

Companies aren't passing the costs on to consumers.

Just as you said, the UN's job is not to protect America, therefore we must do it ourself. The UN cannot even protect primitive natives from being slaughtered-as in Rwanda.


The US had a hand in that. Our rep was instructed not to use the dreaded G word.


If oil was the reason then why do I pay 2.50 a gallon for diesel?
Speculators.....

I do not support Bush.

1. His tax cuts lowered the value of the American dollar and will hurt the country in the long run.

2. Involving America in perhaps the most unjustified war this nation has been involved in. (You guessed it, Iraq)

Actually, that would be the Civil war. If the south would have won we'd be a lot different today.

3. Follows a conservative policy of "borrow and spend." (Republicans bash dems for taxing and spending, while I would rather tax and spend than spend and not have the money to pay for it because of tax cuts so you are forced to borrow massive amounts of money from China.)

4. Ruining relations with our former allies.
You mean France? Or Germany? Or russia? I never knew they were allies to begin with. Maybe they could take a clue from Romania and Poland.

5. An overall embarasment to this country.

Wait, who won the election? or did the 53% or Americans who voted for him do so amidst looking around in boughts of embarrasment? Nahh, I don't think so. W got my vote on November 2nd.



We will just wait and see. In 2006 Americans will realize what path the republicans are leading them. The dems will gain control of both the house and senate, and once that is done they will cut off all funding to Iraq. Than Bush will have no choice but to leave.

I seriously doubt it. I have realized one thing: The current democrat party is run by murderers (Kerry), drunkards (Ted Kennedy), and anti-american traitors (Cindy Sheehan).Mind you W was re-elected for a second term amidst the Movedown campaign and Michale Moore(on)s attack on Bush. The American people can see through smoke, you cannot.

And btw, they can't put on trial the prisoners at Guantamano because they don't have any evidence against the majority of them.
I guess getting caught in the company of terrorists carrying an RPG/kalashnikov is only circumstantial evidence. I guess we just went to a muslim sounding country, and grabbed as many random guys as possible.... :rolleyes:




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And why aren't those prices climbing? (excluding gas of course)

Wait women put crude oil on their faces?

make up is an oil based product dude and for your information, make up prices have gone up!

Speculators.....

Most accurate statement by you Black Forrest that I have seen in a while :D

The US had a hand in that. Our rep was instructed not to use the dreaded G word.


Speculators.....

In not letting the UN peacekeepers open fire on the savages massacring the Hutus? (I think)

Pansies, I swear, all of them.

Yah, those tax cuts did us a bunch of good, what is Bush's current deficit again??? Lets keep on pouring our American dollars into other countries, such as Iraq, and we mind as well just lay down and let China walk all over us, we are helping them be our superiors 20 years from now.

LOL - the economy is good and tax revenues are higher than ever before. Wonder why?

Here - you can keep it;

A CLUE

The new generation of Strong Government (in other words, government everwhere regardless of necessity) conservatism is one of the most disturbing trends I've seen in a while. We need less government regulation, more personal freedom, and less government intervention in the economy.

The conservatism of the past are dead.


Liberals abused government authority for five decades - just a few years into the conservatives turn and their heads are exploding! It is funny to watch!

Regardless - abuse is abuse. I'll be sending my future money to the libertarian party. However, if the liberals start to gain any semblance of momentum (unlikely) then I'll send my cash to the Republicans. Maybe when the liberals embrace small government I can give them money too, until then I'll send it to the party most likely to reduce the heavy footprint of government - in potential if not in action.

LOL - the economy is good and tax revenues are higher than ever before. Wonder why?

Here - you can keep it;

A CLUE

Care to support that statement? Didn't think so.

EDIT: 1 hour later, and still I wait.

The "do not call" list.
Well no one can be a totally bad egg lol

If oil was the reason then why do I pay 2.50 a gallon for diesel?

ARF-COM, I don't think i've told you this one before, but I sure hope you pay attention to it, cause I'm getting tired of having to repeat myself.

Lesson 1

Who turns crude into that stuff that comes out of your gas pump and makes sure the gas pump has any gas to begin with? The oil companies.

Lesson 2

What is the purpose of a company? To make or supply goods and services in exchange for money. Markup of prices are used to gain profit over the cost of production.

Lesson 3

Supply and Demand. The law of supply and demand dictates the basic setting of price of a good. Setting the price of a good too high above demand will force consumers to look for alternatives. However, if your good is considered as a neccessity that has no suitable alternatives (i.e. plastics industry) and/or lower priced competitors, they will purchase it.

Lesson 4

Oligopolies. Market situations where there are many buyers but few consumers. In this situation, prices are usually equal to competitors. Lowering the price of a good only produces limited benefit as other companies follow suit very quickly. As such, the cost of goods are usually set at a certain level and other means are used to attract market share (i.e. advertising, bonuses, etc)

Conclusion

Why would you need to lower your prices? If the existing demand remains at an all time high, you can command a high price for your goods and still maintain market share.

Note: Oil speculators also contribute to the demand.



I guess getting caught in the company of terrorists carrying an RPG/kalashnikov is only circumstantial evidence. I guess we just went to a muslim sounding country, and grabbed as many random guys as possible...

I'm going to assume this one was yours. Did you read the case of entrapments where tourists and refugees were tricked by various clans by taking them in only to later sell them as prisoners to US forces where they ended up in said prison? So yes, a fair number of random people were grabbed and sold. It was posted here some time ago I believe.