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Why I prefer Angel to Buffy

Klonor
25-08-2005, 21:57
Point 1) Buffy often seems to think that Slaying is an unpleasant court-ordered assignment, vital and necessary but not something she enjoys doing. Angel works at it with a passion.

Point 2) The Angel series give an entirely new view of the demons they face. Buffy focuses entirely on their demon activities, rarely viewing them in the non-Terror inducing parts of their lives. In Angel you often see the basic (and normal) lives of the demons, including them having day jobs, going to bars, eating buffalo wings, and watcing 'the game'. It's got much more depth than Buffy's approach.

3) Angels 'crew' makes much more sense. In Buffy nobody really has any skills to bring to the show (Excepting Willow and her Uber-Magic). Xander, Willow (In the earlier seasons), Cordelia, Anya, and the rest (Excepting her occasional Vampire boyfriend or genetically improved Super-soldier) have no real skills involved with fighting demons. If you're going to go into combat you want somebody with combat experience (and skill) at your side, not a group of friends tagging along for the ride. In Angel everybody has either a history or skill with demons. Doyle is part demon himself and has visions from the Powers, Cordelia gets the visions after Doyle and eventually becomes part demon (But that does come back to bite her in the ass), Gunn has been fighting Vampires long before joining Angel and is a kick ass fighter, Wesley has a nearly unequaled knowledge of demon history, language, and physiology and eventually grows to be a really competent fighter (I'd put him just after Angel in the shows fighting roster), and Fred is just freakishly brilliant with some scary survival abilities.

4) Buffy tries to have a life first and then Slaying, Angel puts his duties as a fighter first. I'm not saying Buffy is neglectful in her Slaying duties (At least not in the latter half of the series) but she always tries to work it around her friends/job/school instead of the reverse. Angel fits his job and social responsibilities around his Do-Gooding, even so far as getting a job fighting demons.

4) Angel isn't such a pansy. Buffy's creators and script writers often tried to portray her as a normal girl forced to overcome shocking obstacles, acting like she's no better than any other women on the show (I mean physically, not 'worth'). Angels writers realize that he's stronger/faster/smarter/durabel-er (How would you say 'more durable' in a single word?) than almost anybody else on the show and use it.

5) Angel has to deal with real world issues (kinda). One episode of Buffy had her and Cordelia almost killing each other trying to win Homecomeing Queen. The most extreme thing Buffy faces (In her normal life) is being denied a bank loan and working minimum wage. Angel has to figure out how to care for a child, care for several people who are completely reliant upon him financially, and not be torn to death by lawyers. Compared to what Angel faces I think working in Burger King isn't so bad.

6) Angel kicks ass.

7) Not everything ends with a happy ending in Angel. Don't get me wrong, Buffy has had its sad points (Joyce dying, Anya and Xander breaking up, Riley leaving, etc.) but everything always seems to work out in the end. In Angel when things go bad they stay bad and they don't get better without a hell of a lot of hard work. Hell, the series ends with the entire crew either dead or about to be massacred by an unstoppable army composed of thousands upon thousands of demons (You know, I really do want to see how that battle ends). Buffy just seems so much more lighter in comparison. That series ends with only Anya dead and the rest of them giggling at how shockingly easily they just beat an army of unstoppable demons and now have an entire army of Vampire Slayers at their disposal.

8) Angel still kicks ass.

9) Wesleys transformation. Unless I missed something the entire Buffy series has none of the characters changing in the tiniest bit (personality-wise, I mean). The entire cast acts the same in the series finale as they do at the start of the show. Xanader jokes, Willow babbles, Giles lectures, etc. In Angel people change, as they do in real life. Cordelia goes from being a self-obsessed bitch to a caring person who sees the bigger picture, Wesley goes from a nerd (Even I think he's a nerd) to a self-composed and competent fighter then to an alcoholic struggling with self-worth issues then back to the second then back to the third, Fred goes from a nearly psychotic and cowering girl to a woman who is able to grasp and turn unpleasant situations in a second. Even minor characters change (Like Lilah and Lesely) and have sides of their personalities revealed that we never see once in Buffy.

10) Did I mention Angel kicks ass?

Thank you, and I apologize for wasting so much of your time.
Drunk commies deleted
25-08-2005, 22:11
I've been trying to decide which series I like better, and I think you've convinced me. I still have some nitpicking to do though.

Demons in Buffy are shown as having lives outside being sadistic metaphores for teenage and young-adult problems. They have a bar in which they hang out on their off hours, they play cards in the back room of a bar, and Clem pals around with Spike. Anya and Giles in season 7 visited a demon while he was at work in order to open a gate to some weird spherical oracle covered with eyes. Though the Buffy series didnt' get into the demon's personal lives in as much depth as Angel, it did touch on the fact that they had lives outside of dissecting small children and stuff.

Buffy's supposed to have a life. Angel's atoning for the murders, tortures, mutilations, and rape in his past. He's already grown up. He's seen it all, and now he's chosen to make the world a little better in order to make up for the harm he's caused. Buffy, on the other hand, is just a teenage/young adult girl trying to experience life who's been chosen by cruel fate to deal with problems that most people would consider crazy.

Buffy's problems were by no means minor. She had to provide for her little sister after her dad left and her mom died while earning only a minimum wage salary.
Mind Sickness
25-08-2005, 22:14
Points to Klonor, I completely agree.

And yes, Angle does kick ass.
Pure Metal
25-08-2005, 22:18
buffy hotter than angel is = buffy win


besides, angel tried to be too cool and dark/mysterious... while having the same sort of geeky un-funny jokes that actually worked in Buffy precisely because it was geeky (to begin with) and didn't try to be cool and all that... i don't like it when things try to be cool - it just makes them pretentious imho
Thermidore
25-08-2005, 22:20
Um - Buffy spawned Angel. ......


Also Buffy has Season three which had Faith at her coolest, and the lovely and totally sweet and not cliched (apart from the witch part) pairing of Tara and Willow

(Let us never mention the travesty that was season seven or Kennedy) shudder!

Angel had a habit of introducing main characters which are written out/lost as the series veers in another direction
e.g.
- Dolye - a lame Oirish Demon - seeth
- Kate - guess they decided not to make an LAPD blues/buffy
- Lindsay - whoops let me give you a hand...
then it also had:
- Angel (who has all the acting range of a bluetit)
- Wesley (who admittedly got better as the series developed apart from the hackneyed "dad" remarks, but was a total wuss at the beginning)
- Gunn (started off complete "token" and ended up getting cooler)
- Fred (annoying annoying annoying)
- Wuss-Spike (of the later seasons of buffy, with the whole "he has a SOUL now" rubbish)
- Conor (annoying, annoying, annoying)

The only saving graces were
- Cordelia and she wusses up near the end (except for her final episode which was very poignant)
- Faith - cause she's THAT cool!
- Lilah - cause she rocks, but ew Wesley!!!

In general Angel was more dark and that was cool, but Buffy had a more fantastic storyline, ....until season sev... nevermind.
The Noble Men
25-08-2005, 22:21
-snip
+1.
Drunk commies deleted
25-08-2005, 22:22
Um - Buffy spawned Angel. ......


Also Buffy has Season three which had Faith at her coolest, and the lovely and totally sweet and not cliched (apart from the witch part) pairing of Tara and Willow

(Let us never mention the travesty that was season seven or Kennedy) shudder!

Angel had a habit of introducing main characters which are written out/lost as the series veers in another direction
e.g.
- Dolye - a lame Oirish Demon - seeth
- Kate - guess they decided not to make an LAPD blues/buffy
- Lindsay - whoops let me give you a hand...
then it also had:
- Angel (who has all the acting range of a bluetit)
- Wesley (who admittedly got better as the series developed apart from the hackneyed "dad" remarks, but was a total wuss at the beginning)
- Gunn (started off complete "token" and ended up getting cooler)
- Fred (annoying annoying annoying)
- Wuss-Spike (of the later seasons of buffy, with the whole "he has a SOUL now" rubbish)
- Conor (annoying, annoying, annoying)

The only saving graces were
- Cordelia and she wusses up near the end (except for her final episode which was very poignant)
- Faith - cause she's THAT cool!
- Lilah - cause she rocks, but ew Wesley!!!

In general Angel was more dark and that was cool, but Buffy had a more fantastic storyline, ....until season sev... nevermind.
You thought Fred was annoying? I thought she was cute.
Pure Metal
25-08-2005, 22:24
http://www.davidboreanaz.hu/buffyangel/buffy-angel0.jpg

which one would you rather sleep with?

yeah, its buffy. there ya go - buffy wins!
The Noble Men
25-08-2005, 22:26
http://www.davidboreanaz.hu/buffyangel/buffy-angel0.jpg

which one would you rather sleep with?

yeah, its buffy. there ya go - buffy wins!

Okay, now can we have the opinion of a man who doesn't entirely think with his penis?
Pure Metal
25-08-2005, 22:31
Okay, now can we have the opinion of a man who doesn't entirely think with his penis?
:D the way i judge TV programmes is so intellectual :cool:
Laerod
25-08-2005, 22:35
Point 1) Angel has also had a bit more time to get used to fighting evil than Buffy has ;)

Point 2) Demons are people too! I don't know. I felt that it made the whole demon thing a bit more fake.

3) Well, at first Buffy's crew just consisted of herself and Giles. The others witnessed things they shouldn't have seen and got involved with it that way. Buffy's crew has also had more time to develop. Just wait until Angel's been around for a while.

4) Buffy has (or had) a life. Angel is a vampire that's gotten used to it by now. He can't do things like normal people for more pressing reasons than Buffy (sun light and all that).

4) Well, the script writers had to work with what the movie gave them.

5) Double meat not Burger King (that episode kicked ass :D ). Anyway, she's doing that job to support her little sister, so it compares pretty well.

6) Physically, yes. But Buffy does too.

7) Yeah, but remember that it started off as a highschool series.

8) See point 6.

9) Well, let's see, Angel changes from good to evile to good again. Spike changes from being the strong bad guy that you'd never think Buffy would go out with to the weak bad guy that you'd never think Buffy would go out with to the guy that Buffy goes out with. Xander was pretty wimpy in the first couple series. Willow got soo much more confidence that it's scary. Cordelia was in Buffy too, and changed from being the last person you'd think to help Buffy to being the girl that goes out with Xander...

10) Not that I can remember :D

Thank you, and I apologize for wasting so much of your time.Yeah, you really should apologize :p
Anyway, each series has its merits and if you like one of them more, you shouldn't need to make a list of reasons why :D
(I like Angel more too, but that was because Buffy was getting old)
Thermidore
25-08-2005, 22:36
Okay, now can we have the opinion of a man who doesn't entirely think with his penis?

But if I did that then Angel would win, although barely, on the suspicion of owning a Y chromosome - I don't understand what people see in him, actually there were no decent looking men on either show, and even though I'm not into girls IMHO SMG has all the appeal of an anorexic kitten whose hair has fallen out

Now Faith on the other hand is HOTTTTT! She'd almost turn me...
Beat the people
25-08-2005, 22:48
Now from a females prospective....
Buffy bores me, i can't even sit through a whole episode because she's an annorexic crack head(looks it) and she's "like oh my god" :rolleyes: "i'm so preppy i could shoot myself in the face!!" Something about pretending to be a bad ass and still winning prom queen isn't goin for me. Now Angel, if you remember was Buffy's boy toy....(wish he was mine) who was all "I can't because we're too different and it wouldn't work out." And buffy who acted all depressed doesn't give a hoot anymore, but buffy's actually still mentioned in Angel. And the reason why all the old characters on Buffy moved to Angel is because they realized Angel was so much cooler and not "let's like all go to the mall and get our hair done." and did i mention angel looks soooooooooo much hotter than buffy.
Drunk commies deleted
25-08-2005, 22:59
But if I did that then Angel would win, although barely, on the suspicion of owning a Y chromosome - I don't understand what people see in him, actually there were no decent looking men on either show, and even though I'm not into girls IMHO SMG has all the appeal of an anorexic kitten whose hair has fallen out

Now Faith on the other hand is HOTTTTT! She'd almost turn me...
Faith? No way. Willow and Cordelia on the other hand are hot as hell.