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This guy really pisses me off... Because of him, SäPo (safety police, acting as FBI, CIA, NSA and Secret Service) have been alerted and the defense around the king has been tightened. I also imagine he can await a very 'warm' welcome when he starts protesting against the king. Here are just some of the things he´s said:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a41/DenGamleOchHavet/westboro_tsunami_1230.gif

Article in his church (http://www.godhatessweden.com/html/lawsuit.html)

King Carl Gustaf threatens to sue WBC Pastor for speaking truth about him & his sodomites!

Yes. For a week now Swedish media have been reporting the threat, and WBC has heard from thousands of vile, violent, feces-eating Swedes verifying the threat. For more details - see the websites above AND the Swedish news website, The Local.

This popinjay King of sodomites, whores, zoophiles and molesters - this moral titmouse in the plumage of a peacock - lets his daughter's tits hang out at a Nobel gala while Pastor Ake Green sits in Swedish jail for preaching the truth about fags.

Yet, this wussy King of Fags has the gonads to sit on his not-so-royal ass threatening to sue a Baptist preacher for telling his ugly family the truth about themselves.
"Feces-eating"? This guy has got to be on drugs... Other things reported by swedish media on the subject:

"...[he] also wants to raise a monument to tribute the death of the swedes in the tsunami lasat year <snip>... [It] will be made by ink granite. On the top there will be a wave crashing down on a statue of a pair having intercourse. The pair is according to Phelps swedes getting what they deserve by God"

"Your king is the symbol for your doomed country and we will find him wherever he is...[You] are doomed to hell. All swedes and your swedish king and his family."

I don't think it's particularly worthwhile to get all worked up about Fred Phelps. That man wouldn't know a fact of life if it snuck up and sodomized him.

Possible, but I can´t help to be offended. He says I should go to hell, he attacks the king (whom I very much like) and more than that, he says it was right a friend of mine got killed by the tsunami.

I'm surprised he's still alive.
How often does God miss with lightning bolts?

I don't think it's particularly worthwhile to get all worked up about Fred Phelps. That man wouldn't know a fact of life if it snuck up and sodomized him.

If it acted cruel and inhospitable to him while being well-fed and clothed? :confused:

Maybe Pat Robertson will make a public call to assassinate Fred Phelps and Phelps will then make a website slandering Robertson called www.godhatespatrobertson.com

Don't worry.

In a few years, Fred Phelps and the Westborough Baptist Church will bury themselves in a hole in the ground, then someone will build a house on top of their remains.

I haven't imagined that idiots like this Phelps do exist...

I don't think it's particularly worthwhile to get all worked up about Fred Phelps. That man wouldn't know a fact of life if it snuck up and sodomized him.

I approve of this post. You win this thread.

I approve of this post. You win this thread.

I second that. Fucking brilliant :fluffle:

I don't think it's particularly worthwhile to get all worked up about Fred Phelps. That man wouldn't know a fact of life if it snuck up and sodomized him.

Points for you.

Here, have a cookie.

*hands cookie*

He's wrong, but I do believe that people like him exist. ;)

And the winner of the self-hating, closet homosexual award goes to.....Oh my GAWD! It's Fread Phelps!!!

*crowd cheers*

Phelps is the biggest idiot. He also protests at funerals...

Seriously, don't pay this nutcase any attention. That's all he craves. But I'm wondering, has he attacked the Spanish Royal Family? THat would seriously piss me off, because I highly respect King Juan Carlos.

*bows, accepts the various praise and cookies*

*steps to podium, clears throat*

I'm a man of few words. Any questions?

Phelps is the biggest idiot. He also protests at funerals...

Seriously, don't pay this nutcase any attention. That's all he craves.

He's a religious ambulance chaser, so to speak.

forgive my ignorance who is fred phelps....and more to the point who cares !

forgive my ignorance who is fred phelps....and more to the point who cares !

You don't want to know. The less you know about this guy the better.

Lemme put it this way: he praised the 9/11 attacks, AND went to NY to protest the rescue effort.

The mere knowledge that someone this bigoted, this hateful, this shameless and this ignorant exists gave me indigestion for a week.

forgive my ignorance who is fred phelps
A religious fruitcake (old, stale, and no one wants him).

.and more to the point who cares !
No one.

I'm a man of few words. Any questions?

President Coolidge.

*looks at poll*

Where's the "Fred Phelps should be horribly imolated and then have his ashes pissed on" option?

Sorry, but the last one just isn't extreme enough for me.

There is a dark and deeply disgusting place in Hell already reserved for Phelps. It's ready for immediate occupancy. And the staff in Hell is eagerly awaiting his arrival; it's not often they get someone who so thoroughly deserves what they're going to give him.

(I checked. It helps to have connections in low places.) :p

forgive my ignorance who is fred phelps....and more to the point who cares !

Phelps is an idiot preacher who runs a website, Godhatesfags.com, and talks about how feces-eating fags should die. then he goes about and says that he loves fags, but just wants them to stop sinning. even though he says that he wants them dead. he also likes to build monuments to the death of people he hates. i have a monuument idea of my own.

http://upload.localnetsys.com/upload/august05/phelps.GIF

of course, nobody really cares what he thinks. he's an idiot.

Nice monument

Poetic Justice: Fred Phelps is suffocated when a large, "gay" flag falls on him and he is unable to get out.

I don't think it's particularly worthwhile to get all worked up about Fred Phelps. That man wouldn't know a fact of life if it snuck up and sodomized him.
Yes, but I'd still like to see life try...

Poetic Justice: Fred Phelps is suffocated when a large, "gay" flag falls on him and he is unable to get out.

Or The Village People shoots him in self-defense.

Phelps is a closet homo. He's afraid of the very thing for which he is. That's why he hates it so much: he's afraid and ignorant. And a homo.

He seems like one of thoose people that haved been released from rampton on the Care in Community tand probably insult to them.

Just glad he has made an attack on on Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II yet that would make one loose ones temper

He seems like one of thoose people that haved been released from rampton on the Care in Community tand probably insult to them.

Just glad he has made an attack on on Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II yet that would make one loose ones temper


I'd love to imagine thousands of angry Englishmen coming down to Topeka after that insult.

"Bash his eyes in!"

I can understand why he is worked up. He is opposing a Swedish law forbidding condemnation of homosexuality, which is immoral, even though I am not anti-gay. However, this by no means justifies the killing of all Swedes. This Phelps character, whoever he is, needs to relax.

Apparently, there's no freedom of Speech in Sweden!

*strikes it off the list of nations to visit*

Apparently, there's no freedom of Speech in Sweden!

*strikes it off the list of nations to visit*

Your loss.

Stockholm is GREAT city!

Possible, but I can´t help to be offended. He says I should go to hell, he attacks the king (whom I very much like) and more than that, he says it was right a friend of mine got killed by the tsunami.
Phelps is a hateful little man, with a little mind. Seriously, though he's showing his age (Supposedly he claimed that Bush "Worships Mr. Peanut, and his name is the Great Goober")
He's one character most people can agree on though. *from wikipedia*
"Gay rights activists, as well both mainstream and fundamentalist Christians, have denounced him as a producer of anti-gay propaganda and violence-inspiring hate speech."

I wouldn't mind if the military had an ordinance "accident" over his compound though.

http://www.gaylesbiantimes.com/gfx/articles/898/898_4594_4607.jpg

Apparently, there's no freedom of Speech in Sweden!

*strikes it off the list of nations to visit*Hah! Just because you're allowed to say you hate gays in America doesn't mean there's more free speech than in Sweden...

Hah! Just because you're allowed to say you hate gays in America doesn't mean there's more free speech than in Sweden...

And there goes freedom of religion.

So no freedom of Speech and no freedom of Religion in Sweden. How come a pastor can't say that God hates gays? Why can't this moronic idiot say whatever he wants to say?

And there goes freedom of religion.

So no freedom of Speech and no freedom of Religion in Sweden. How come a pastor can't say that God hates gays? Why can't this moronic idiot say whatever he wants to say?You can't say you hate America without it having serious consequences in the States, but I doubt there's anything similar in Sweden. Just because there's one thing you can't do doesn't mean that a place you could do it in is freer. Just visit Sweden for yourself and decide. Freedom of speech is pretty widely available there.

You can't say you hate America without it having serious consequences in the States, but I doubt there's anything similar in Sweden. Just because there's one thing you can't do doesn't mean that a place you could do it in is freer. Just visit Sweden for yourself and decide. Freedom of speech is pretty widely available there.

Apparently it isn't. Political Correctness is what I call free speech. Its a curtail of free speech and unacceptable.

Political Correctness offends me therefor it is politically incorrect to be politically correct.

We have been dealing with Phelps for years here in the States.
Not a nice man but he always goes away after he has blown his hot air.
I stood face to face with him not letting him pass at a march in San Diego years ago. It was fun. He is all hot air, but still needs to be watched he can stir it up.

Regards,

JMayo

Apparently it isn't. Political Correctness is what I call free speech. Its a curtail of free speech and unacceptable.

Political Correctness offends me therefor it is politically incorrect to be politically correct.

Do you think we have complete freedom of speech?

Do you think we have complete freedom of speech?

Nope! :D

Phelps is an idiot. However, he is an unintentionally hilarious idiot.

Just so you know, Phelps is an asshat. I used to take this guy really seriously and get pissed off whenever he said something stupid (eg, whenever he opens his mouth), but since I found Eris, I just point and laugh.

PS - Eris was behind the sofa, along with half my character sheets and about twenty pages of writing I thought I'd lost.

PS - Eris was behind the sofa, along with half my character sheets and about twenty pages of writing I thought I'd lost.

I believe we're all stunned by the lost wealth which hides within those dimly lit caverns...

PS - Eris was behind the sofa, along with half my character sheets and about twenty pages of writing I thought I'd lost.
And presumably some hotdog buns?

Stop paying attention to him. Neither he, nor Åke Green deserve it.

And to the person who claims there is not free speech in Sweden: I doubt you've ever even been here, if you claim such a thing. Nevertheless, Åke Green was in fact acquitted on appeal (oh, and he was not convicted for saying god hates gay people - he was convicted for calling gays "a cancer upon society" and in so many words agitated against us) in an appellate court. His case will go before the Supreme Court in October.

So, please, do inform yourself in the case before you open your yap next time.

Stop paying attention to him. Neither he, nor Åke Green deserve it.

And to the person who claims there is not free speech in Sweden: I doubt you've ever even been here, if you claim such a thing. Nevertheless, Åke Green was in fact acquitted on appeal (oh, and he was not convicted for saying god hates gay people - he was convicted for calling gays "a cancer upon society" and in so many words agitated against gay people) in an appellate court. His case will go before the Supreme Court in October.

So, please, do inform yourself in the case before you open your yap next time.

So some people get offended so they toss him in jail only to have it overturned.

Yea, I can see the political correctness in that comment.

So some people get offended so they toss him in jail only to have it overturned.

Yea, I can see the political correctness in that comment.

And I can see the ignorance in yours. Fair trade.

Your loss.

Stockholm is GREAT city!

Innit. Sweden fucking rules.

And I can see the ignorance in yours. Fair trade.

Well informed and open-minded people never make Good Little Busheviks.

So some people get offended so they toss him in jail only to have it overturned.

Yea, I can see the political correctness in that comment.
And innocent people get sent to death row in the US, only to have it overturned thanks to scouts.

Where's the option to say:
"I don't agree, but I am never surprised when people hit bottom and start digging."

Nope! :D

I dare you to stand in front of the White House and yell out "I'm going to kill you Mr Bush!"

Heh. Sweden must be doing something right. :D

You can't say you hate America without it having serious consequences in the States, but I doubt there's anything similar in Sweden.

Actually, you can, quite legally, say you hate America in the US. You'd piss off a bunch of crazy right-wingers (I won't list the names of the ones on this forum as examples, but I don't think I need to anyway); but if any of them actually came after you, they'd be the ones going to jail, not you.

Don't confuse the right-wing hate culture with the entire US, please. Many of us remain quite rational and committed to real freedom.

:p

I dare you to stand in front of the White House and yell out "I'm going to kill you Mr Bush!"

Threatening the life of the President of the United States isn't conducive to freedom. Besides, that is a whole different ball game.

However, to speak out against him is legal.

Threatening the life of the President of the United States isn't conducive to freedom. Besides, that is a whole different ball game.

However, to speak out against him is legal.What about the President of Venezuela?

What about the President of Venezuela?

Different ball of wax. In some countries, it is illegal to threaten another head of State. However, in the US, we don't have those types of laws though I would say to Mr. Robertson that I wouldn't travel overseas.

There should be an option saying "He's wrong, but I am not at all surprised there are people like him". Ignorant morons, no matter what they do, don't surprise me at all. I have seen and heard far too many of them.

Threatening the life of the President of the United States isn't conducive to freedom. Besides, that is a whole different ball game.

However, to speak out against him is legal.

Ahh. So what about the Imam who urges his followers to kill/abuse as many Americans as possible? Is that protected under free speech? Because if it is not, one only needs to change this person's nationality, his religion and his target. His modus operandi still seems to be the same.

Ahh. So what about the Imam who urges his followers to kill/abuse as many Americans as possible? Is that protected under free speech?

Depends upon what nation. In the US? No since you are threatening murder and encouraging others to commit murder. Hate speech isn't protected by the 1st Amendment. And in other countries, I believe it is illegal as well.

Depends upon what nation. In the US? No since you are threatening murder and encouraging others to commit murder. Hate speech isn't protected by the 1st Amendment. And in other countries, I believe it is illegal as well.

Kinda like saying all homosexuals are a cancer to society then?

I'd actually be interested to know who voted for more Swedes getting killed and why...

Depends upon what nation. In the US? No since you are threatening murder and encouraging others to commit murder. Hate speech isn't protected by the 1st Amendment. And in other countries, I believe it is illegal as well.

Then shouldn't this person have been arrested? He did at the very least imply that his followers should do violence against homosexuals in general with no defining clause other than their sexual orientation.

Furthermore, what he said does count as hate speech, which you did admit isn't covered by the 1st Amendment in the US. The hypothetical imam would have been arrested in short order. Just as this person was arrested and threatened with legal action when he gave his hate speech against segments of the Swedish population.

Why then, do you consider this to be a sign that Sweden has less freedom of speech than in the US?

Fred Phelps should be classified as terrorist along with Pat Robertson.
They incite hate like those crazy Islamic Clerics, but since they are right-wing Christians it's tolerated.

Fred Phelps should be classified as terrorist along with Pat Robertson.
They incite hate like those crazy Islamic Clerics, but since they are right-wing Christians it's tolerated.

Mmm, it's mostly about affiliation I think. If they are affiliated with you, and you support them, or at least who/what they say they represent, then you are more willing to overlook their more glaring faults.

Humans are guilty of this a lot. And I mean it on all sides.

Depends upon what nation. In the US? No since you are threatening murder and encouraging others to commit murder. Hate speech isn't protected by the 1st Amendment. And in other countries, I believe it is illegal as well.

"Hate speech" isn't really the term you're looking for -- for the most part, "hate speech" is legal in America but not in other Western countries. Threatening murder or encouraging others to do so is illegal here not because it's hate speech, but because it presents a clear and present danger. It'd be a stretch to apply the clear and present danger argument to Green's comments, if all he said was that gays were a cancer to society.

I voted "I wish there had been more swedes killed by the tsunami"

because I dislike those silly vegetables, particularly when they are mixed in with mashed potato.

It's just wrong.

Depends upon what nation. In the US? No since you are threatening murder and encouraging others to commit murder. Hate speech isn't protected by the 1st Amendment. And in other countries, I believe it is illegal as well.

As is pointed out below, Mr Robertson's words fit your definition of hate speech quite well. He threatens assassination and incites others to commit assassination.

You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war, and I don’t think any oil shipments will stop.

"Hate speech" isn't really the term you're looking for -- for the most part, "hate speech" is legal in America but not in other Western countries. Threatening murder or encouraging others to do so is illegal here not because it's hate speech, but because it presents a clear and present danger. It'd be a stretch to apply the clear and present danger argument to Green's comments, if all he said was that gays were a cancer to society.
The 'clear and present danger' test was overturned in 1951. Now they apply the 'imminent lawless action' test.

Don't worry.

In a few years, Fred Phelps and the Westborough Baptist Church will bury themselves in a hole in the ground, then someone will build a house on top of their remains.
AHHH! Zombie movie!

As is pointed out below, Mr Robertson's words fit your definition of hate speech quite well. He threatens assassination and incites others to commit assassination.

Ah Olantia, Chavez isn't American and is the head of state of a foreign nation. I constantly said we should put a bullet through the head of Saddam Hussein. Now, if Robertson advocated the assassination of the President, he would've been tossed in jail by now. If he advocating killing Jews, Blacks, muslims, etc, then I would say you have a case. But in this case....no, it really can't be construed as hate speech.

AHHH! Zombie movie!

Actually it's Poltergeist. :D

I don't think it's particularly worthwhile to get all worked up about Fred Phelps. That man wouldn't know a fact of life if it snuck up and sodomized him.

Haha! So true. I wouldn't let Fred WHelps stand upon the ground an American GI walked. One reason the 2nd amendment exists, is should he ever get elected (God forbid) and start rounding up homosexuals, it can be used.

Depends upon what nation. In the US? No since you are threatening murder and encouraging others to commit murder. Hate speech isn't protected by the 1st Amendment. And in other countries, I believe it is illegal as well.
Bingo! Lotto! You have got it.

The same situation is more or less apparent here. Free speech is a right, but not in so regards extreme hate speech. This shouldn't be tolerated and I'm glad it is not in USA either.

Of course, it's difficult to judge and sometimes it's a fine line balancing these rights and protections.

Ah Olantia, Chavez isn't American and is the head of state of a foreign nation. I constantly said we should put a bullet through the head of Saddam Hussein. Now, if Robertson advocated the assassination of the President, he would've been tossed in jail by now. If he advocating killing Jews, Blacks, muslims, etc, then I would say you have a case. But in this case....no, it really can't be construed as hate speech.

So let me get this straight. Let us assume X resides in America. If X says he is going to kill the American president, that is illegal. If he says he is going to kill the head of state of the neighboring country, that is alright?

I thought conspiracy to commit murder was an offence anywhere regardless of who you target.

Or maybe next time you'll let terrorists into your borders if they say they are just passing through to do their business in another country?

Then shouldn't this person have been arrested? He did at the very least imply that his followers should do violence against homosexuals in general with no defining clause other than their sexual orientation.

Furthermore, what he said does count as hate speech, which you did admit isn't covered by the 1st Amendment in the US. The hypothetical imam would have been arrested in short order. Just as this person was arrested and threatened with legal action when he gave his hate speech against segments of the Swedish population.

Why then, do you consider this to be a sign that Sweden has less freedom of speech than in the US?
Yeah, a swedish priest (these guys talka lot of BS) once called Muhammed, islams revered prophet, a 'confused pedophile'. He was threatened, but no action was made against him except a few statements.
I wonder what would happen if an imam called Jesus a 'crazy crackpot'. Would probably be pretty big news.

Ok, I think we should kill this Phelps man in his sleep. Who's with me?
*brandishes knife*

Ok, I think we should kill this Phelps man in his sleep. Who's with me?
*brandishes knife*

Too obvious, too crass, and would probably be used as ammunition by his supporters that it would be a form of hypocrisy. Don't bother. Deny the troll his attention, and he will eventually become a dried up old prune. Although I suspect he already is one.

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I wonder what would happen if an imam called Jesus a 'crazy crackpot'. Would probably be pretty big news.

It would be big news since Muslims believe in Jesus as well. ;)

Oh yeah. Sorry, bad example.

Ah Olantia, Chavez isn't American and is the head of state of a foreign nation. I constantly said we should put a bullet through the head of Saddam Hussein. Now, if Robertson advocated the assassination of the President, he would've been tossed in jail by now. If he advocating killing Jews, Blacks, muslims, etc, then I would say you have a case. But in this case....no, it really can't be construed as hate speech.
Non Aligned states has already pointed upon a couple of problems here. But it is still unclear to me why it is bad to advocate killing Jews, Blacks, Muslims, but to call for killing of a Latino is okay?

The 'clear and present danger' test was overturned in 1951. Now they apply the 'imminent lawless action' test.

Ah, alright. Thanks for the information. Although even with that test, I'd have to say "gays are a cancer" is protected speech.

Pastor Ake Green, Fred Phelps, Pat Robertson and the rest of their ilk should take a course in Christianity. If the creator they adore is a perfect creature, incapable of making mistakes, then how do they explain that he has created gay people, and continues to do so? I think that he must like gays! After all, those I know are very nice people. :)

Also, among the victims of the tsunami were many children, even Swedish children. Do those 'spokesmen' for the Christian fundamentalists believe that the creator made a mistake - aimed for gays and got children instead?

Ake Green should spend more than a month in prison for his comments; they are an insult to Christianity, to humanity, to the tsunami victims, to gays, and to non-gays. And I would send the rest of that ilk to prison to keep him company.

Yeah, maybe they could make him 'convert' :p

Ah, alright. Thanks for the information. Although even with that test, I'd have to say "gays are a cancer" is protected speech.
In the USA--yes. Nevertheless, Sweden is free to enact standards of hate speech that are different from the American ones.

Phelps is an interesting. I've learned long ago not to take him seriously. I have seen his little minions alot. I live 20 miles from his home. He has protested my church on numerous occasions and my college on an almost weekly basis. I even saw them when I was in DC. It doesn't even seem like they have a point of view their pushing anymore. Whenever I see them their trying to piss people off and to rile them up, not change minds or do anything positive, not that they could with their message of pure hate. The best way to deal with Phelps and his ilk is to ignore them.

He seems like one of thoose people that haved been released from rampton on the Care in Community tand probably insult to them.

Just glad he has made an attack on on Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II yet that would make one loose ones temper

He has. http://www.godhatesfags.com/featured/20050707_subway-bomb.html
He's a cock. I would like to go over there and counter his protests. Maybe get some gay pole dancers to dance provocatively in front of him. Maybe get a streaker (male) to run up and kiss him. It's quite fun thinking how to cause him abject humiliation.

Pastor Ake Green, Fred Phelps, Pat Robertson and the rest of their ilk should take a course in Christianity. If the creator they adore is a perfect creature, incapable of making mistakes, then how do they explain that he has created gay people, and continues to do so? I think that he must like gays! After all, those I know are very nice people. :)

Also, among the victims of the tsunami were many children, even Swedish children. Do those 'spokesmen' for the Christian fundamentalists believe that the creator made a mistake - aimed for gays and got children instead?

Ake Green should spend more than a month in prison for his comments; they are an insult to Christianity, to humanity, to the tsunami victims, to gays, and to non-gays. And I would send the rest of that ilk to prison to keep him company.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

In the USA--yes. Nevertheless, Sweden is free to enact standards of hate speech that are different from the American ones.

As a sovereign nation, yes, they are. All the same, I think the fact that Green can be locked up in Sweden for such comments (which, by the way, I strongly disagree with) demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of what the concept of "free speech" is meant to entail.

If nothing else, this makes me want to visit Sweden even more.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

WRONG!

Thank you for playing "Let's try to translate Hebrew" ... we have some nice consolation prizes for you on your way out.

As a sovereign nation, yes, they are. All the same, I think the fact that Green can be locked up in Sweden for such comments (which, by the way, I strongly disagree with) demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of what the concept of "free speech" is meant to entail.

I don't really think so. For all purposes he is spreading inciting hatred against a certain section of society- if they were Jews or blacks then he'd be in jail asap. Sweden is very tolerant of..well pretty much everything- except for when it comes to issues that damages its society, like the spreading of hate.

Fair dues to them i say. Phelps should be in jail in the states. He's worse.

christians like these make me want to do violent things :p just give him to me and let me torture him for a couple weeks he won't die immediately but he'll wish he was then I will slowly cremate him alive, who wants to help :)

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Are you saying women can never have sex? :confused:

WRONG!

Thank you for playing "Let's try to translate Hebrew" ... we have some nice consolation prizes for you on your way out.

Thank you for playing "Let's try to be a gay-enabling reprobate jackass who doesn't know a damn thing about the Bible or Christianity."

And presumably some hotdog buns?
Yep. I proudly eat hot dog buns - Hot dogs alone are gross.

WRONG!

Thank you for playing "Let's try to translate Hebrew" ... we have some nice consolation prizes for you on your way out.Thank you for playing "Let's try to be a gay-enabling reprobate jackass who doesn't know a damn thing about the Bible or Christianity."
Well, what a nice mood it´s in here...

Thank you for playing "Let's try to be a gay-enabling reprobate jackass who doesn't know a damn thing about the Bible or Christianity."

You can quit it with the insults, now. Continuing to do so will result in you receiving an official warning.

He should be shot in the face, castrated, and fed to ravenous piranhas.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. In case you haven't noticed, all sins are an abomination before God. How many abominations have you and I committed today? I know I have.

So let me get this straight. Let us assume X resides in America. If X says he is going to kill the American president, that is illegal. If he says he is going to kill the head of state of the neighboring country, that is alright?

Correct. :D

I thought conspiracy to commit murder was an offence anywhere regardless of who you target.

That only matters in America. However, advocating the death of another head of state is actually protected here in the United States. For how much longer, I don't know but as of right now, it is perfectly legal to advocate for the assassinatin of any foreign head of state.

Or maybe next time you'll let terrorists into your borders if they say they are just passing through to do their business in another country?

If they are terrorists, they shouldn't be allowed in our country but thanks to the porus borders of Canada and Mexico, they'll get in anyway.

Correct. :D

Doesn't that strike you as hypocritical then?


That only matters in America. However, advocating the death of another head of state is actually protected here in the United States. For how much longer, I don't know but as of right now, it is perfectly legal to advocate for the assassinatin of any foreign head of state.

And you wonder why you have far right wing mentally challenged people like Ann Coulter. Hmmm, given how certain viewpoints look at Imams encouraging their followers to bring down America are considered to be terrorrists, conversely, the rest of the world would be able to apply that equally to your own facists no? And since if a government does not crack down on said Imams, they get accused of supporting terrorism, well, you get the idea.

So ergo, America encourages terrorism. They just whitewash it as lunatic priests, rightwingers, etc, etc. But if an Imam takes the place and reverses the role it's "OMG! He's a terrorists bastard! Keelz him!"


If they are terrorists, they shouldn't be allowed in our country but thanks to the porus borders of Canada and Mexico, they'll get in anyway.

Shouldn't be and reality often differ. According to your statements, it's perfectly legal to plot and advocate destruction and death to other people so long as it happens to target other people not in the US, hence why they would be protected. If so, why on earth should other nations bother allowing the US to extradite their criminals then?

It's not so fair when the shoe is on the other foot is it?

Doesn't that strike you as hypocritical then?

I believe in Freedom of Speech! Unlike other countries, we don't have laws that say you can't advocate the death of another head of state.

And you wonder why you have far right wing mentally challenged people like Ann Coulter. Hmmm, given how certain viewpoints look at Imams encouraging their followers to bring down America are considered to be terrorrists, conversely, the rest of the world would be able to apply that equally to your own facists no? And since if a government does not crack down on said Imams, they get accused of supporting terrorism, well, you get the idea.

Yep! I do get it and I have always gotten it. If Imams are preaching hate here, we'll shut them done too. Don't know if that has happened yet but I haven't heard anything from the Islamic community regarding this so my take on it is that it hasn't happened yet.

So ergo, America encourages terrorism. They just whitewash it as lunatic priests, rightwingers, etc, etc. But if an Imam takes the place and reverses the role it's "OMG! He's a terrorists bastard! Keelz him!"

Believe what you will.

Shouldn't be and reality often differ. According to your statements, it's perfectly legal to plot and advocate destruction and death to other people so long as it happens to target other people not in the US, hence why they would be protected. If so, why on earth should other nations bother allowing the US to extradite their criminals then?

Treaties. As long as we promise not to put them to death (if its a death penalty offense), we can have them. Frankly, I say if a murderer flees, let that nation keep him. Its one less murderer in our jails and one less person that we're wasting our tax dollars on.

It's not so fair when the shoe is on the other foot is it?

And you told me things that I already know. Now what?

WRONG!

Thank you for playing "Let's try to translate Hebrew" ... we have some nice consolation prizes for you on your way out.

Actually....he is right with that quote. Although he is taking it way out of context. That quote has nothing to do with homosexuality as he is trying to put it with.



And you can figure that out by reading all the lines around it.

Leviticus 18:20-23

20 Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her. 21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD. 22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. 23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

Pastor Ake Green, Fred Phelps, Pat Robertson and the rest of their ilk should take a course in Christianity. If the creator they adore is a perfect creature, incapable of making mistakes

He is. That's the terrible thing.

then how do they explain that he has created gay people, and continues to do so?

"Gay person" is wrong - "person who chooses to have the buttsecks and eat the faeces of others" is right. Besides, God wanted them that way - gives Him someone to Hate, prove to the Saved that they are Saved.

Also, among the victims of the tsunami were many children, even Swedish children. Do those 'spokesmen' for the Christian fundamentalists believe that the creator made a mistake - aimed for gays and got children instead?

Nope. He slaughtered them all because He's perfect, and they were Reprobate, incapable of being Saved. He chose to kill them at that precise moment in time because... that was His plan. And His plan is right. Because he's fucking GOD! It's that simple.

Ake Green should spend more than a month in prison for his comments; they are an insult to Christianity, to humanity, to the tsunami victims, to gays, and to non-gays. And I would send the rest of that ilk to prison to keep him company.

He's telling the truth! How can you send someone to prison for telling the truth?

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Those of you who know me will know these are not my views. However, I hope they provide an insight into Calvinism (http://www.godhatesfags.com/writings/predestination.html), which is based on that document. And their way of thinking.

Meh!

Nobody listens to Fred in the states. Onless of course they need a laugh.

I guess is going overseas since people don't know him there. ;)

I believe in Freedom of Speech! Unlike other countries, we don't have laws that say you can't advocate the death of another head of state.

Then why is your freedom of speech impeding the right of people to advocate the death of the head of state in said country? More like Limited Freedom of Speech. You can say what you want, as long as we approve it first it seems.


Yep! I do get it and I have always gotten it. If Imams are preaching hate here, we'll shut them done too.


I think you quite misunderstand my point. I did not say that they were in the US. I said that they were in another country, preaching hatred/death against a foreign country, in this case, the US. If that country has freedom of speech, can you really say that what they are doing contradicts it? After all, what they are doing and saying does not directly threaten the country they are in does it?


Believe what you will.


By not prosecuting those who spread hatred and advocate death against certain segments of society, does it not at the very least permit the growth of terrorism? It does not have to be international or political terrorism. Domestic terrorism is also quite a real factor. And those who advocate it can go free?

Let us try a different tangent.

Remember that person responsible for the bombings of women's health clinics? There were those who praised his actions did they not? There were those who advocated more of it, saying that it was right, that the law should be actually working hand in hand with the bomber (I think it was Timmy McVeigh?). Why are those who supported this person not persecuted? After all, they supported domestic terrorism didn't they?


Treaties. As long as we promise not to put them to death (if its a death penalty offense), we can have them. Frankly, I say if a murderer flees, let that nation keep him. Its one less murderer in our jails and one less person that we're wasting our tax dollars on.

So if Sweden wanted this preacher extradited to their country for imprisonment due to his incitement of hate, would you accept it then? He is after all, directly targetting said country with potentially harmful speech and actions (i.e. advocation of violence).