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The future of gaming...

Steel Butterfly
25-08-2005, 04:12
Which video game consol will rule the next generation of gaming? Will it be the XBOX 360 with its early release and awsome online options? Will it be the PS3 with it's amazing game library and potentially best graphics of the three? Or will it be the Nintendo Revolution with its...ahem...supposed revolutionary way to play games and its ability to download any game released for a Nintendo system...ever?

Please don't resort to "My system owns your system" or "halo rulez!!!11"...give an honest prediction to what you think and why.
Squirrel Brothers
25-08-2005, 05:38
As an xbox fan I'd love to say it'll be 360, but I really don't know. Xbox built a lot of support in a fairly short time so 360 might prove to be the most popular Gates has a lot of ambition with this whole media center idea, but I wonder how it'll really fly. PS3 will enter the market with a bigger fan base and a stronger reputation in video gaming. PC gamers will always be their own breed (and no that is not in any way an insult). Nintendo has some cool ideas, but I wonder how well they can recover from the Gamecube. As for my vote, I'm gonna flip a coin and if it's heads I'll say 360, tails I'll say PS3... Heads it is!
Colodia
25-08-2005, 05:42
It's a toss up between PS3 and 360.

See, apparently the RPG giant Square Enix wants to go multiplatform. So no more Sony dominance with the Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest series.

Second...these are probably the best games announced thus far that will be on each platform. (Ignore question marks)
PS3:
Metal Gear Solid 4
Scarface: The World is Yours?
Secret Service?
ShadowClan?
Killzone 2?
Devil May Cry 4?
Unreal Tournament 2007?

Xbox 360: 2
Battlefield 2: Modern Combat?
Call of Duty 2
Fable 2?
Scarface: The World is Yours?
Secret Service?
ShadowClan?
Splinter Cell 4?
Saint's Row?
The Godfather
The Outfit?
Gears of War?
[eM] -eNCHANT arM-?
Final Fantasy XI?

Apparently 360 has more games people are more likely to buy. Plus Halo 3.

And Halo 3 brings us to another thing. Online gaming.

Anyone have clear distinctions between PS3 online gaming capability and 360? What we'll be given and such?

Online gaming will be pretty big in this generation, and whichever console supports it better will be getting the money.

Oh, and I don't like the Xbox, rather I like the PS2. But apparently Microsoft made a lot of better changes to the 360 from the giant Xbox console. Soooo...I'll check it out.
Its too far away
25-08-2005, 05:46
Microsoft doesn't understand what makes consols great. They have shown this with their aproach to xbox 360. They want to leave it open so it can be upgraded.... the point of a consol is that you put in the game and you know it will work and work well, they are suposed to be uniform. Making the hard drive not standard was a mistake and the controllers cost way too much.
Morvonia
25-08-2005, 05:49
What i dont like is that everyone is talkin about graphics....yes i know PS3 is beautiful and no i am not a XBOX360 fanboy....but why not use all that power to improve the AI in video games....Video games can be pretty all they want..but it does not mean jackshit compared to gameplay




to get back to the topic..i cant pick i want to buy Xbox 360 but when i get a job i want to get a Uber-computer...so i pick a PC and the new xbox.



ohhh and you got the last one in reverse it is supposed to be...Hillary is the devil and video games are my god.
Colodia
25-08-2005, 05:49
Microsoft doesn't understand what makes consols great. They have shown this with their aproach to xbox 360. They want to leave it open so it can be upgraded.... the point of a consol is that you put in the game and you know it will work and work well, they are suposed to be uniform. Making the hard drive not standard was a mistake and the controllers cost way too much.
...Or...you know...make your gaming experience better perhaps?

Sony does that to the PSP. 2.0 update...w00t.
Its too far away
25-08-2005, 05:55
...Or...you know...make your gaming experience better perhaps?

It wont. When everything is uniform people writting code for games can optimise it very well, they can make it run much faster on that specific system than it would ever normaly. If there are several versions of the platform it will run on then the code slows down. This is the only reason that the current consols which are much less powerfull than PCs can still have decent games.
Belligerent Duct Tape
25-08-2005, 06:02
Whatever's cheapest. And if the consoles can't come up with free online, then it's the computer for me. What? I'm a broke-ass college student!
Texpunditistan
25-08-2005, 06:13
I like the ultra-retro thing going with the Revolution, but I'm not sure if it will ever pick up here in the US. Nintendo pulled a major bonehead move with the Gamecube.

I hadn't heard (not that I'm really keeping up with everything game-wise) about the 360 not having the harddrive standard. If that's the case, I probably won't buy a 360, because having to buy and keep up with memory cards is f'n STUPID (I know -- my neice and nephew have a Gamecube).

I'll probably end up buying a PSP and just playing it...but we'll have to see. I'm undecided right now.
Kisogo
25-08-2005, 06:18
http://deathbox.ytmnd.com/

Well, Nintendo has been cool lately with the DS. My money is on them. If not, I'd go wit hthe PS3. But I doubt the Xbox 360 (a.k.a Xpensive box 360 dollars lol) will be that great, but they'll probably release something cool like Steel Batallion and then we'll have to get it.

Also microsoft is trying to rip a few people off with the cheap version of the 360. The one without the hard drive or xbox live. Supposedly the memory cards will cost $40+

And sorry to say it guys, but Halo isn't actually popular.
[NS]Simonist
25-08-2005, 07:29
I'm going with XBOX for two simple reasons.

1. My XBOX was free
2. My boyfriend hacked it for me (what a sweet surprise)

So yeah, I"m kinda biased.
Delator
25-08-2005, 08:08
I heard a rumor that the Nintendo Revolution was going to offer free online play.

Can anyone confirm or deny this?
Amerigo
25-08-2005, 08:28
PC!!!

Screw your goddamn consoles! The only console I've ever owned was SNES and I aint about to change it anytime soon. Yeah, you'll have your prretty little games with your pretty little graphics, but the depth and content is always gonna stay on the PC. I don't care if PC gaming is turning less and less popular--being driven into the underground. It's better that way... less shiny, shallow games.

Because I mean just think about it. Every game for every one of those consoles is gonna be geared towards graphics more than story, content, depth.

It's all gonna be PC, baby.
Beorhthelm
25-08-2005, 09:01
it is my opinion, and there is some pieces of info out there to suggest this is Sony's plan, that the PS3 will take over the position of the PC in the home. Simply add OS, keyboard and mouse and go surfing, word processing, house hold accounts etc. Job Done.

Ask yourself, if you want to buy a PC for the kids schooling/light office work/internet AND a console for some games, or a PS3, which are the millions of parents going to chose?

Microsoft will then be fcuked as they cant go down this road, as it cannabilises their main market, upsets thier resellers (they'd be subsidising a competing product) and would attract a little concern from even this US adminstration.
Cromotar
25-08-2005, 09:43
PC!!!

Screw your goddamn consoles! The only console I've ever owned was SNES and I aint about to change it anytime soon. Yeah, you'll have your prretty little games with your pretty little graphics, but the depth and content is always gonna stay on the PC. I don't care if PC gaming is turning less and less popular--being driven into the underground. It's better that way... less shiny, shallow games.

Because I mean just think about it. Every game for every one of those consoles is gonna be geared towards graphics more than story, content, depth.

It's all gonna be PC, baby.

Funny, that's exactly the opposite of my experience. I've played plenty of PC games that I admit I enjoyed, but that I finish in usually 10-20 hours. Console games, however, that you claim to be 'shallow', I often spen 60-80 hours on, with very engaging stories and gameplay. The good graphics are just an extra bonus. (Recently finished Resident Evil 4. Now THAT'S a great game.)

Add to that the fact that I don't have to worry about compatibility or crashing issues, and the fact that I can actually play on my TV instead of in front of a monitor, and I'll have to say that I prefer my console games.
Cromotar
25-08-2005, 09:47
To answer the question of the poll, however:

While I would really like to say Revolution, I don't believe it will be the best seller, mainly because Nintendo's been in something of a rut market-wise ever since the N64. The possibility of downloading and playing retro Nintendo games on the new console might be a plus, but in the long run I think the PS3 will win (I'm still going with Nintendo, though).

XBox I think will have a harder time due to the high price.
Amerigo
25-08-2005, 21:53
Funny, that's exactly the opposite of my experience. I've played plenty of PC games that I admit I enjoyed, but that I finish in usually 10-20 hours. Console games, however, that you claim to be 'shallow', I often spen 60-80 hours on, with very engaging stories and gameplay. The good graphics are just an extra bonus. (Recently finished Resident Evil 4. Now THAT'S a great game.)

Add to that the fact that I don't have to worry about compatibility or crashing issues, and the fact that I can actually play on my TV instead of in front of a monitor, and I'll have to say that I prefer my console games.
Try a game like Planescape Torment or the Baldurs Gate series. Then you'll see what PC gaming is about...

Although I must admit I haven't given console rpgs much of a chance. Although the general impression I got from playing some (portions) of them is that they just don't make much sense to me--starting from the beginning too.
Pure Metal
25-08-2005, 22:45
I like the ultra-retro thing going with the Revolution, but I'm not sure if it will ever pick up here in the US. Nintendo pulled a major bonehead move with the Gamecube.

I hadn't heard (not that I'm really keeping up with everything game-wise) about the 360 not having the harddrive standard. If that's the case, I probably won't buy a 360, because having to buy and keep up with memory cards is f'n STUPID (I know -- my neice and nephew have a Gamecube).

I'll probably end up buying a PSP and just playing it...but we'll have to see. I'm undecided right now.
the 360 is some price as standard, and 70 quid (dunno about dollars) more for the console with HD, two controllers and a Live account, i think.

either way i'll be getting the 360 after a friend explained how Sony's new CELL processors aren't actually everything they're cracked up to be - in that the relative power of the 360 and the PS3 are pretty much the same. ps3 will have more raw power but be much harder to code for, meaning the 360 may well be better at the start for a while after the ps3 is launched. when developers get to the 3rd generation of games technology on the systems, the ps3's mild extra power will finally come into play... but i can't be assed to wait that long.

besides, more games coming out for the 360.


but i'll never give up the PC!
Laerod
25-08-2005, 22:50
PC is the way to go. Not only can I not post on NationStates with a console, the save functions in games are more likely to be annoying. I can't make maps and do scripting on a console like I can on a PC, either.
The only thing I've seen that makes consoles better than PCs are beat 'em up games like street fighter (to mention one of the old ones) or Super Smash Bros. (to mention one of the most fun). A PC isn't good for those.
Wurzelmania
25-08-2005, 22:51
I heard a rumor that the Nintendo Revolution was going to offer free online play.

Can anyone confirm or deny this?

I am happy to confirm that it was a major part of their E3 sales pitch.

They are also using a new coding system that is simpler and offers far more graphical punch for less actual console power. If it's as good as rumour has it then Xbox and PS3 just got their asses royally kicked.

There's some nifty controller ideas too but the coding is the bit that interests me (Imagine Super Smash Brothers, online with the graphics predicted for the PS3).

I may hate people who say the graphics are the be-all of gaming (because qite frankly they are stupid) but I do so love kicking their asses.
Amerigo
25-08-2005, 22:53
PC is the way to go. Not only can I not post on NationStates with a console, the save functions in games are more likely to be annoying. I can't make maps and do scripting on a console like I can on a PC, either.
The only thing I've seen that makes consoles better than PCs are beat 'em up games like street fighter (to mention one of the old ones) or Super Smash Bros. (to mention one of the most fun). A PC isn't good for those.
Exactly!
Wurzelmania
25-08-2005, 23:00
Exactly!

Consoles have the fun games and the best RPG's. PC's do the technical FPS and RTS games better.
Fortopia the Second
25-08-2005, 23:04
P.C.s are always, or at least for a long time, is going to give better quality gaming, don't get me wrong, I can't wait to play on an XBox 360, but you can't beat a P.C. for some goood quality online multiplayer. Plus I rather enjoy using mouse a nd keyboard instead of controllers. As for handhelds, they're quite nifty and all that, but they'll never be as good as the proper consoles, as handhelds get better, so will the other larger gaming systems.
Fortopia the Second
25-08-2005, 23:05
Consoles have the fun games and the best RPG's.
Yeah, but what about MMORPGs?
Amerigo
25-08-2005, 23:07
Consoles have ...the best RPG's.
I most vehemetly disagree. You haven't played the right PC rpgs.
Wurzelmania
25-08-2005, 23:08
Yeah, but what about MMORPGs?

Their control system is hellish. I pray for one using the Legend of Zelda-Twilight Princess or the Skies of Arcadia engine.
Wurzelmania
25-08-2005, 23:09
I most vehemetly disagree. You haven't played the right PC rpgs.

Name some. I'm talking the 'point-and click' ones (RTS control systems for an RPG, WTF?) which are what I have come across here.
Amerigo
25-08-2005, 23:12
Name some. I'm talking the 'point-and click' ones (RTS control systems for an RPG, WTF?) which are what I have come across here.
Planescape: Torment, & Baldurs Gate series. (I have still to see any better than those two)
Sdaeriji
25-08-2005, 23:13
What i dont like is that everyone is talkin about graphics....yes i know PS3 is beautiful and no i am not a XBOX360 fanboy....but why not use all that power to improve the AI in video games....Video games can be pretty all they want..but it does not mean jackshit compared to gameplay

Or, better yet, why don't they use all the money investing in making the systems jacked and get better story writers. All the ungodly power these new machines are wielding won't make a bit of difference if the games that they run are shit, and from what I've been seeing, there's only a couple of really good, worthwhile games for each system. When games run $50 and up, I only want to spend the money on really great games, and there's precious few of those coming out.
Laerod
25-08-2005, 23:13
Consoles have the fun games and the best RPG's. PC's do the technical FPS and RTS games better.I'd say that NWN would suck majorly on a console. The plot is crappy. The thing that makes it a dream is the intense possibilities you have with the Aurora Toolset, which wouldn't be available on a console.
Consoles are better for adventure games and not RPGs...
Swilatia
25-08-2005, 23:14
PC all the way!!!! Game consoles are a joke, whoever thought they were okay for release in europe must have been completely out of his mind! F*** you :upyours: , nintendo, for plaguing our beautiful planet with so-called "game consoles"!
Laerod
25-08-2005, 23:14
Name some. I'm talking the 'point-and click' ones (RTS control systems for an RPG, WTF?) which are what I have come across here.I suggest Spellforce. Best blend of an RPG and RTS ever.
Wurzelmania
25-08-2005, 23:16
I'd say that NWN would suck majorly on a console. The plot is crappy. The thing that makes it a dream is the intense possibilities you have with the Aurora Toolset, which wouldn't be available on a console.
Consoles are better for adventure games and not RPGs...

Which is why Beyond good And Evil crashed right. Best adventure game of the generation and no-one buys it.

Thing is, with consoles you need a story more I think. PC games have OMFGCUSTOMIZE!1!! and of course, patches.
Swilatia
25-08-2005, 23:17
Consoles have the fun games and the best RPG's. PC's do the technical FPS and RTS games better.
If u really think that consoles have the best RPGs, u never played Morrowind.
Wurzelmania
25-08-2005, 23:19
PC all the way!!!! Game consoles are a joke, whoever thought they were okay for release in europe must have been completely out of his mind! F*** you :upyours: , nintendo, for plaguing our beautiful planet with so-called "game consoles"!

They do have the joyuos upside of not crashing and no patches. Also, they can actually play games that require things like, high-speed adventure. You cannot play Mario on a PC. Or Zelda. Or Metroid really. Oh, and Soul Calibur, Shemue, Rogue Squadron, Sonic, Skies of Arcadia...

You see my point.
Wurzelmania
25-08-2005, 23:20
If u really think that consoles have the best RPGs, u never played Morrowind.

*cough*Xbox*cough*
Amerigo
25-08-2005, 23:20
Thing is, with consoles you need a story more I think. PC games have OMFGCUSTOMIZE!1!! and of course, patches.
Uh. No. Theres an awful lot more depth in some PC rpgs than console rpgs come even close to. You just have to play the right ones.
Swilatia
25-08-2005, 23:21
They do have the joyuos upside of not crashing and no patches. Also, they can actually play games that require things like, high-speed adventure. You cannot play Mario on a PC. Or Zelda. Or Metroid really. Oh, and Soul Calibur, Shemue, Rogue Squadron, Sonic, Skies of Arcadia...

You see my point.
well, Mario and Sonic suck a** anyway. And also, I would NEVER SACRFICE THE ABILITY TO CUSTOMIZE A GAME, which is something u can't do on a game console.
Sdaeriji
25-08-2005, 23:23
If u really think that consoles have the best RPGs, u never played Morrowind.

Morrowind came out for the Xbox as well.
Swilatia
25-08-2005, 23:25
*cough*Xbox*cough*
Morrowind came out for the Xbox as well.
Well, the game was originally made for the PC, and besides, there were no expansion packs for the Xbox version, which gives proof that the game was made for the PC.
Wurzelmania
25-08-2005, 23:26
well, Mario and Sonic suck a** anyway. And also, I would NEVER SACRFICE THE ABILITY TO CUSTOMIZE A GAME, which is something u can't do on a game console.

Another with no appreciation for platforming then. No actual reasoning though.

Personally I'll take a slice of unchanging genius over an average game that needs patching and modding to make it really good.
Wurzelmania
25-08-2005, 23:27
Well, the game was originally made for the PC, and besides, there were no expansion packs for the Xbox version, which gives proof that the game was made for the PC.

But it's available on Xbox. And so will the next one be. And with a HDD the Xbox360 might just get the xpansions too.
Laerod
25-08-2005, 23:31
Uh. No. Theres an awful lot more depth in some PC rpgs than console rpgs come even close to. You just have to play the right ones.Yeah, the NWN plot doesn't compare to some of the older games without customization. BG and BG2 ruled. The thing is that somehow plot usually gets scrapped for graphics in most PC games, with the occasional exception.
The thing that makes PC RPGs so much more in depth is that with the mouse you can actually manipulate things easier, such as choosing various skills and whatnot. That would be a pain in the ass to use console equipment for, so that gets dropped and things are made to accomodate the action more.
Sdaeriji
25-08-2005, 23:31
Well, the game was originally made for the PC, and besides, there were no expansion packs for the Xbox version, which gives proof that the game was made for the PC.

There were two expansion packs for the Xbox, Tribunal and Bloodmoon, just like the PC.
Swilatia
25-08-2005, 23:33
But it's available on Xbox. And so will the next one be. And with a HDD the Xbox360 might just get the xpansions too.
well, can you explain why only the PC version had the The Elder Scrolls Constuction Set? Easy: The game originally was made for the PC.
Laerod
25-08-2005, 23:33
There were two expansion packs for the PC, Tribunal and Bloodmoon, just like the PC.I think one of those PCs is supposed to read X-box... :D
Sdaeriji
25-08-2005, 23:34
I think one of those PCs is supposed to read X-box... :D

Indeed.
Sdaeriji
25-08-2005, 23:35
well, can you explain why only the PC version had the The Elder Scrolls Constuction Set? Easy: The game originally was made for the PC.

Because TESC would be impossible on a console.
Swilatia
25-08-2005, 23:38
Because TESC would be impossible on a console.
Which is why consoles SUCK A**
Sdaeriji
25-08-2005, 23:39
Which is why consoles SUCK A**

Sure. Morrowind on the XBox was infuriatingly frustrating. But that doesn't mean that Morrowind was intended originally for the PC only. In fact, Bethesda was contracted by Microsoft to develop an RPG for their XBox before development for Morrowind had progressed beyond the initial stages.
Wurzelmania
25-08-2005, 23:47
well, can you explain why only the PC version had the The Elder Scrolls Constuction Set? Easy: The game originally was made for the PC.

:headbang: Consoles do not have the kit for these things!n They aren't designed for it! PC's are!

Whatever the game was made for doesn't matter, what matters is what it is available for. Would anyone care about the N64 if Mario 64 and Zelda OoT were PS1 games as well?
Swilatia
25-08-2005, 23:54
:headbang: Consoles do not have the kit for these things!n They aren't designed for it! PC's are!

Whatever the game was made for doesn't matter, what matters is what it is available for. Would anyone care about the N64 if Mario 64 and Zelda OoT were PS1 games as well?
I know! The point is that if Morrowind was intended to be for consoles, there would be no TESCS at all!
Ihrentan
25-08-2005, 23:54
I prefer turn based strategy and the odd real time strategy game on the pc to anything else, but the 360 is set to dominate the industry, only because Gates has never failed before. He’s bringing console development back to America (video games were invented here after all).

About the rpgs. Who plays rpgs on the pc? The plots and premise are often awful. The best in recent memory, KOTOR, KOTOR II and Morrowind were all on the X-Box as well.

To someone’s question about Beyond Good and Evil:
It didn’t sell because Americans find the underlying message uncomfortable, Japanese rarely buy American games, the main character was a chick that wasn’t uber hot, and the fact that it is quite an odd game. I don't think it was made to sell big. If the develpoers had wanted it to be a hit, they would have paid more attention to demographics and such. Instead, they made the game they wanted to.
Swilatia
25-08-2005, 23:57
video games were invented here after all.
weren't Video Games invanted in Japan?
Wurzelmania
25-08-2005, 23:58
To someone’s question about Beyond Good and Evil:
It didn’t sell because Americans find the underlying message uncomfortable, Japanese rarely buy American games, the main character was a chick that wasn’t uber hot, and the fact that it is quite an odd game. I don't hink it was made to sell bid. If the develpoers had wanted it to be a hit, they would have paid more attention to demographics and such. Instead, they made the game they wanted to.

Is it wierd to find Jade at least as hot as any random DoA babe? And yeah, the Niestche reference and the general 'don't trust the government' is not going to go down well in Bush's USA.

Anyway, I hope Ancel does make the rest of the trilogy, that game was brilliant, only Twilight Princess stands a chance of knocking it off it's perch.
Wurzelmania
25-08-2005, 23:58
weren't Video Games invanted in Japan?

Pong was US. Tetris (first really good computer game) was Russian.
Zolworld
26-08-2005, 00:39
The Xbox 360 will probably be the most succesful simply because its coming out first and costs less. The ps3 won'f flop though, especially in japan where they just wont buy the xbox regardless. And the PC will still be kicking ass after those consoles are dead and gone. As for Nintendo, I fear the worst. They might be OK though if enough people buy the thing just cos it says nintendo on it. Like all the dumbasses that bought champman 5 without reading any reviews. suckers.
Steel Butterfly
26-08-2005, 01:32
Ok...guess it's time to give my opinion on the matter.

The PS3 will have better graphics, a better processor, and in my opinion better games. Sony always has better games. It doesn't matter who is going multi-platform or who XBOX supposedly "has" (just like Nintendo only had Resident Evil, eh?) Sony comes out on top not because of the graphics but because of the games...and now they'll be on top with the graphics as well. Games are why Sony destroyed the Dreamcast and still beat the n64, two systems with far better graphics. Games are part of the reason that Sony is still leading in the current generation, because Nintendo games are few and far between and XBOX games are shallow.

The XBOX is basically a system for first person shooters and competitive online gaming, neither of which I'm a big fan of. I simply don't like FPS all that much, and the online gaming I do is on my PC in the form of MMORPG's. The XBOX is going after the frat boy market, kids who only play shooter games and sports games (not that I have anything against TPS and Sports games) and only play once in a while. While big in America, the XBOX was dull in Europe and completely bombed in Japan. Without world appeal, Microsoft will continue to lose money. Granted they are Microsoft, however. I don't see the XBOX 360 being much different. Sure a few more people will buy it because it comes out first, but basically if you own an XBOX, you'll get the 360. No one in Japan will buy it, and Europe will be so-so. It will continue to be close to Sony, but it will never have the power to overtake it...and this time...Microsoft won't even have the more powerful consol.

The Revolution is a mystery. There are STILL so many things left unknown about it. Regardless, I see it being what I like to call a side-consol, much like my GameCube is. I play Super Smash Bros., Resident Evil, and Zelda on my cube, but nothing else. I honestly have five games on it: SSB: Melee, REmake, RE4, my brother's metroid, orcarina of time, and I will be getting the new Zelda game. With the Revolution, I'll probably get the next SSB, and have a few months of fun with the nostalga of downloading old games that I love and grew up with, but just like my gamecube, I'll play it sparingly. The fact that it's cheaper should help it out, but it's the exact opposite of the XBOX...good in japan, bad in america.

None of the "big three" will be hit so bad that they drop out, like Sega did, but I don't see much of a change. Sony will dominate america, europe, and japan, Microsoft will be close behind but in reality not a threat due to their ineptitude overseas, and Nintendo will be continuing to go against the grain and lose money but never lose fans...cause after all...they ARE Nintendo. Handhelds, while cool, will never overtake consols, and PC gaming will be for niche titles, played only by those who have been playing PC games their whole lives.

Now...excuse me as I spill hot coffee all over Hillary.
Amerigo
26-08-2005, 04:32
About the rpgs. Who plays rpgs on the pc? The plots and premise are often awful. The best in recent memory, KOTOR, KOTOR II and Morrowind were all on the X-Box as well.

Goddamnit. I'm betting on one thing. When people say PC rpgs most people first think Diablo II or some crap like that. There are good PC only rpgs. The most recent one was Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines--and unfortunately this one was rather consolish. Although the same goes for a game like Fable--it seems like it'll work a lot better on the PC.

But recently yeah the PC-only market for RPGs has been pretty dead. But if you look back into sprite-based games and Wizardry...

All I can say, about PC rpgs is that when they work, they work extremely well and the plots aren't as illogically bizarre as the majority of the japanese-made console rpgs.

And besides for the PC you have true innovation in terms of gameplay. I mean a controller is really limiting. That's why the PC had such unique games as Dungeon Keeper and Black & White.
Cromotar
26-08-2005, 09:52
Try a game like Planescape Torment or the Baldurs Gate series. Then you'll see what PC gaming is about...

Although I must admit I haven't given console rpgs much of a chance. Although the general impression I got from playing some (portions) of them is that they just don't make much sense to me--starting from the beginning too.

I have. I can't stand BG, but I loved Planescape: Torment. Wizardry 8 and Morrowind were good, as well, not to mention KOTOR 1 and 2. But to me, the console RPGs are usually much more in-depth, have better characters, and have longer game time. Also, almost every game I've played on the PC crashes once in a while, which gets highly annoying.
Steel Butterfly
26-08-2005, 17:15
which gets highly annoying.

Same with how every year you have to update your damn machine just so that the graphics come close to consols. I'm sorry...the only advantage PC's have is MMORPG's...and even they need ALOT of work to stay interesting.
Amerigo
26-08-2005, 22:12
I have. I can't stand BG, but I loved Planescape: Torment. Wizardry 8 and Morrowind were good, as well, not to mention KOTOR 1 and 2. But to me, the console RPGs are usually much more in-depth, have better characters, and have longer game time. Also, almost every game I've played on the PC crashes once in a while, which gets highly annoying.
More in depth than the P:T, BG, and Wizardry?

Impossible I say!

Name some titles... and I will be sure to try and find someone who has them so I could try and play them at their place.
Undelia
26-08-2005, 23:06
But recently yeah the PC-only market for RPGs has been pretty dead. But if you look back into sprite-based games and Wizardry...
… then you find boring crap.

Is it wierd to find Jade at least as hot as any random DoA babe?
If you’re being disingenuous it isn’t that hard to believe. The designers of the game specifically set out to make sure that she wasn’t a male fantasy.