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Here's a new topic that popped into my trouble-making head...

The Mall...

Is it a great one stop shopping place?

OR

An evil corporate structure meant to sublimate youth and turn them into easily cow-able clones?

Thoughts?

After some real shopping in a mall for the first time a few days ago, I have come to believe that malls are designed by corporations for you to get lost, so you go round and round looking at merchandise.

Well, I don't mind going round and round looking at the merchandise - if I had the money to buy!!

Down with malls, down with places for youth of today to spend their parents well earned money, down with Hot Topic, down with PacSun, down . . .

Sorry, sometimes I get carried away.

Down with malls, down with places for youth of today to spend their parents well earned money, down with Hot Topic, down with PacSun, down . . .

Sorry, sometimes I get carried away.

I must admit...I think Hot Topic is just abercrombie and fitch for Good Charlotte fans.

And I hate Good Charlotte.

I like to call A&F abercloning and filth. Maybe I'll start a t-shirt line that says that.

I must admit...I think Hot Topic is just abercrombie and fitch for Good Charlotte fans.

And I hate Good Charlotte.

I like to call A&F abercloning and filth. Maybe I'll start a t-shirt line that says that.
Funny you should mention that.....I'm pretty sure Abercrombie owns Hot Topic. At least, I know their parent company is one of the big preppy structures. Freakin uninformed goths weirdos.....

But, but.....I work at a mall! Granted, not in Express or Hollister or Victoria's Secret (actually, I'd love to work in that one, DISCOUNT LINGERIE SETS! ;) ). If we took the malls out of the picture, there'd be a ton more unemployment, and I'd miss my job. I'm a professional Image Consultant.

Yea, I find it humorous that Goths are rebelling by buying $200 outfits at a mall.

Abercrombie owns Hot Topic? Not from what I know.

Anyways, yes I do like malls.. my favorite stores are Gap, A&F, Hollister, American Eagle and Anchor Blue.. I'm not afraid of saying those are my favorite stores, and I know it will warrant criticism from the typical leftist elements in this forum.

Here's a new topic that popped into my trouble-making head...

The Mall...

Is it a great one stop shopping place?

OR

An evil corporate structure meant to sublimate youth and turn them into easily cow-able clones?

Thoughts?
Ever seen Dawn of the Dead?

Abercrombie owns Hot Topic? Not from what I know.

Anyways, yes I do like malls.. my favorite stores are Gap, A&F, Hollister, American Eagle and Anchor Blue.. I'm not afraid of saying those are my favorite stores, and I know it will warrant criticism from the typical leftist elements in this forum.

CURSE YOU, YOU'RE FEEDING THE BEAST!!!!!!!

CURSE YOU, YOU'RE FEEDING THE BEAST!!!!!!!

I used to work in Gap... but that was like a year ago..

Abercrombie owns Hot Topic? Not from what I know.

Anyways, yes I do like malls.. my favorite stores are Gap, A&F, Hollister, American Eagle and Anchor Blue.. I'm not afraid of saying those are my favorite stores, and I know it will warrant criticism from the typical leftist elements in this forum.

Well...isn't it fun to look just like everyone else...everyone else...everyone else (insert drool here)

Well...isn't it fun to look just like everyone else...everyone else...everyone else (insert drool here)

Um, I have different jewelry (chokers, necklaces) and belts to set me aside (some pretty original belts including this rainbow one.. don't ask...). I like the clothing I buy from them... I'm not going to become a hideous leftist and not support the economy.

I used to work in Gap... but that was like a year ago..

Did they tell you that you could get clothes from the store for yourself, and then later tell you that they took it out of your paycheck and you owe them $100? That happened to one of my friends.

Well...isn't it fun to look just like everyone else...everyone else...everyone else (insert drool here)

Out of curiousity what do you wear that makes you stand out from the crowd?

Out of curiousity what do you wear that makes you stand out from the crowd?

It's not about standing out from the crowd, it's about not running around with the same 10 A&F shirt and pants outfits. In todays world, plain is different and I'm as different as they come. I wear flannels, I have cut-off jeans (the homemade type), I wear knee high socks that have nothing but the Hanes label on them. I am plain, but different.

Did they tell you that you could get clothes from the store for yourself, and then later tell you that they took it out of your paycheck and you owe them $100? That happened to one of my friends.

No. I didn't do that either.

It's not about standing out from the crowd, it's about not running around with the same 10 A&F shirt and pants outfits. In todays world, plain is different and I'm as different as they come. I wear flannels, I have cut-off jeans (the homemade type), I wear knee high socks that have nothing but the Hanes label on them. I am plain, but different.

I prefer to have fashion, over flannels..

I must admit...I think Hot Topic is just abercrombie and fitch for Good Charlotte fans.

And I hate Good Charlotte.

I like to call A&F abercloning and filth. Maybe I'll start a t-shirt line that says that.Can I make a t-shirt that says that?
Pretty please?
You can't see it, but I have a face that no one could say no to.

I prefer to have fashion, over flannels..

Fashion is what punk and goth originally rebelled against. So, being the punk at heart that I am, I have chosen to rebel against the 'punk' and 'rock' look. And nothing beats my shirt that is white with black lettering that says, "SHIRT" right on the chest. A Hemingsoft original there. Made that for myself a few years back before shirts with slogans became popular. But none beat the shirt shirt.

Um, I have different jewelry (chokers, necklaces) and belts to set me aside (some pretty original belts including this rainbow one.. don't ask...). I like the clothing I buy from them... I'm not going to become a hideous leftist and not support the economy.

Who's economy? Most those clothes aren't manufactured in the US. Support the economy by going to a mom and pop shop that sells consignment stuff, or original stuff from small US manufacturers.

It's not about standing out from the crowd, it's about not running around with the same 10 A&F shirt and pants outfits. In todays world, plain is different and I'm as different as they come. I wear flannels, I have cut-off jeans (the homemade type), I wear knee high socks that have nothing but the Hanes label on them. I am plain, but different.

Thanks...I would've said about the same. Except for the what you wear part, I don't do the whole knee socks thing. I wear t-shirts, usually from a local music store, jeans from a co-op, and other things for work that I picked up at a local consignment shop...all in good condition, "nearly new". there is other stuff I get as gifts, but I don't wear it as often.

Can I make a t-shirt that says that?
Pretty please?
You can't see it, but I have a face that no one could say no to.

Anyone can...get some undershirts and a sharpie...that's how I used to make new t-shirts everytime I played in one of my old punk bands...

And I'm a dad...I can say no to anything. ;)

Who's economy? Most those clothes aren't manufactured in the US. Support the economy by going to a mom and pop shop that sells consignment stuff, or original stuff from small US manufacturers.

Yes, and pay a hell of a lot more. That's just wasting money, and diverting money from other sectors of the economy while doing nothing to help it.

Evil yet fun.

We don't have Malls here...they are surely evil and an act against God..with all that temptation they are a sign of the 'Divil' :eek:

One of my fondest memories of malls is from the movie "Dawn of the dead", by george romero...all the zombies walking around the mall, among the shelves, looking at coins...priceless.

There is nothing evil about the mall. What are u guys talking about :confused: ?

Anyone can...get some undershirts and a sharpie...that's how I used to make new t-shirts everytime I played in one of my old punk bands...Rock. Thank you!

And I'm a dad...I can say no to anything. ;)You've never met me.

Question:

What, exactly, is a consignment shop?

Question:

What, exactly, is a consignment shop?

A place where people can sell there clothes after they no longer need them. Kinda like offline eBay.

Rock. Thank you!

You've never met me.

I have a feeling I could say no...watch...

NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO

The face isn't generally what sways me.

Fashion is what punk and goth originally rebelled against. So, being the punk at heart that I am, I have chosen to rebel against the 'punk' and 'rock' look. And nothing beats my shirt that is white with black lettering that says, "SHIRT" right on the chest. A Hemingsoft original there. Made that for myself a few years back before shirts with slogans became popular. But none beat the shirt shirt.

Just an interesting article on Punk that I wouldn't doubt has hidden references to our friends at hot topic:

A Punk Manifesto by Greg Graffin (http://www.badreligion.com/news/essays.php?id=5)

Reading made me feel not too old to be punk.

Just an interesting article on Punk that I wouldn't doubt has hidden references to our friends at hot topic:

A Punk Manifesto by Greg Graffin (http://www.badreligion.com/news/essays.php?id=5)

Reading made me feel not too old to be punk.

Ooooh I dunno. I did punk the first time it came around. Leather mini dress with chains and spiked hair - gawdawful! I thought I was soooooooo original and nonconformist. Ha Ha.

Ooooh I dunno. I did punk the first time it came around. Leather mini dress with chains and spiked hair - gawdawful! I thought I was soooooooo original and nonconformist. Ha Ha.

At the time you were...but it really isn't a fashion statement. I had a mohawk, but I shave my head most of the time anyway. I own a leather jacket...actually, I still have that, though it isn't "work appropriate" in the software field.

I'm all for leather miniskirts...lol

Here's a new topic that popped into my trouble-making head...
The Mall...

Is it a great one stop shopping place?
OR
An evil corporate structure meant to sublimate youth and turn them into easily cow-able clones?

Thoughts?
When reading the title of this thread, two things came to my mind immediately:

Is it a great one stop shopping place? Mallrats (1995)!

An evil corporate structure meant to sublimate youth and turn them into easily cow-able clones? Dawn of the Dead (1978)!

As much as I liked going to a mall whenever I visited the U.S. - I don't really enjoy it all that much. Going shopping in the inner city which has the same stores and such is a lot better. Like an open-air mall. A city...

Who's economy? Most those clothes aren't manufactured in the US. Support the economy by going to a mom and pop shop that sells consignment stuff, or original stuff from small US manufacturers.

And you're telling a college student this? A&F and Hollister aren't cheap, but those mom and pop shops are certainly more expensive. I prefer to stick to A&F and Hollister. That's supporting the economy as the company employees thousands.

And you're telling a college student this? A&F and Hollister aren't cheap, but those mom and pop shops are certainly more expensive. I prefer to stick to A&F and Hollister. That's supporting the economy as the company employees thousands.


Most the places I shop don't sell a simple printed cotton t-shirt for US$25.00. It's more like $5-$10. How are you saving money? And you are right...A&F and Hollister employees...other than those in the stores and corporate offices, most of them are overseas working for pennies a day. Great thing to supposrt with your hard earned college dollars.

I know plenty of people in college (I'm faculty on a SUNY Campus) that want to have nothing to due with those mall stores. It isn't an economical benefit to shop at A&F and Hollister. It is merely a way of saying, "I'm okay...I look just like you...let's all be the same."

When reading the title of this thread, two things came to my mind immediately:

Is it a great one stop shopping place? Mallrats (1995)!

An evil corporate structure meant to sublimate youth and turn them into easily cow-able clones? Dawn of the Dead (1978)!

As much as I liked going to a mall whenever I visited the U.S. - I don't really enjoy it all that much. Going shopping in the inner city which has the same stores and such is a lot better. Like an open-air mall. A city...

2 amazing films...but in 2 totally different ways...

If you like cookie-cutter "culture" and over-priced "fashion" or bland "food", malls are great.

Is it a great one stop shopping place? Mallrats (1995)!

"you know what!? there is no easter bunny!! :mad: " :p :p


anyone for a chocolate covered pretzel? ;)

I have a feeling I could say no...watch...

NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO

The face isn't generally what sways me.I have a really nice set, too.

"you know what!? there is no easter bunny!! :mad: " :p :p


anyone for a chocolate covered pretzel? ;)

I can smell that from here...

Personally I though Chasing Amy was better than Mallrats...but Jason Lee is a genious...

I hope he doesn't mess it up with this goofy TV show is in.

Malls suck. Shopping sucks. Fuck shopping.

Excuse me while I go make some new shoes.

I have a really nice set, too.

hmmm...to comment or not to comment...

Malls suck. Shopping sucks. Fuck shopping.

Excuse me while I go make some new shoes.

go for the Dutch wooden shoes...they need to come back in style...then you'll see tham made by Hollister and A&F...and Walmart

Most the places I shop don't sell a simple printed cotton t-shirt for US$25.00. It's more like $5-$10. How are you saving money? And you are right...A&F and Hollister employees...other than those in the stores and corporate offices, most of them are overseas working for pennies a day. Great thing to supposrt with your hard earned college dollars.

I know plenty of people in college (I'm faculty on a SUNY Campus) that want to have nothing to due with those mall stores. It isn't an economical benefit to shop at A&F and Hollister. It is merely a way of saying, "I'm okay...I look just like you...let's all be the same."

Talk about a great deal of illogic. I'm not going to buy some generic cotton shirt from some mom and pop store. I'd much rather have something that is a little bit more high key. Good one on the little attacks. I'm not changing my ways for the satisfaction of others.

And your little saying there.. well.. isn't true.

And I'm not one of those people.

Talk about a great deal of illogic. I'm not going to buy some generic cotton shirt from some mom and pop store. I'd much rather have something that is a little bit more high key. Good one on the little attacks. I'm not changing my ways for the satisfaction of others.

And your little saying there.. well.. isn't true.

And I'm not one of those people.

Why wouldn't you buy a generic cotton shirt? Or a printed shirt from a silk screen store run by the guy down the street?

It's made of the same fabric and materials as your A&F shirt at a quarter of the price.

What is high key? Clothes for status instead of their purpose (to defend against the elements)? If it is "high-key" to wear something with a logo on it for no other reason than because it has a logo on it, and that everyone else has a shirt with that logo on it, how are you not "one of those people"?

Why wouldn't you buy a generic cotton shirt? Or a printed shirt from a silk screen store run by the guy down the street?

Because I don't want to.


What is high key? Clothes for status instead of their purpose (to defend against the elements)? If it is "high-key" to wear something with a logo on it for no other reason than because it has a logo on it, and that everyone else has a shirt with that logo on it, how are you not "one of those people"?

I'm one who wants to wear something of status that shows I worked for it. You really need to walk out in Los Angeles some time. Most people here wear these generic shirts from some no name stores. So wouldn't that contradict what you want? Seriously, don't question my fashion tastes. I've been in that business before.

Because I don't want to.



I'm one who wants to wear something of status that shows I worked for it. You really need to walk out in Los Angeles some time. Most people here wear these generic shirts from some no name stores. So wouldn't that contradict what you want? Seriously, don't question my fashion tastes. I've been in that business before.

We haven't even gotten to taste. That's a different issue. What Los Angeles has to do with this I am at a loss to figure out.

Do you feel insignificant in some other way that only your clothes can give you staus? Is there a lack of original personality or something that makes you think that wearing high-status clothes (which A&F, Hollister, & the GAP are not)?

Sounds like a matter of insecurity if you feel status comes from clothing.

The mall is a home base for the coming zombie invasion.

Do you feel insignificant in some other way that only your clothes can give you staus? Is there a lack of original personality or something that makes you think that wearing high-status clothes (which A&F, Hollister, & the GAP are not)?

I have done modeling and I would get no where not wearing those generic clothes. I just don't find those generic clothes appealing. I have a right to wear what I want, and people like you don't have a right to tell me what I should or shouldn't wear.

Sounds like a matter of insecurity if you feel status comes from clothing.

Nope.

I have done modeling and I would get no where not wearing those generic clothes. I just don't find those generic clothes appealing. I have a right to wear what I want, and people like you don't have a right to tell me what I should or shouldn't wear.



Nope.


I never said what you could or couldn't wear. But at the same time you should be aware of what people think of you when you wear Mall clone clothes.

I never said what you could or couldn't wear. But at the same time you should be aware of what people think of you when you wear Mall clone clothes.

Be aware of what people think of me? Like ultra-leftists and anti-capitalists? Seriously, I could care less what they think. Their opinions are insignificant, erroenous and irrelevant to me.

Here's a new topic that popped into my trouble-making head...

The Mall...

Is it a great one stop shopping place?

OR

An evil corporate structure meant to sublimate youth and turn them into easily cow-able clones?

Thoughts?

I think most people in general are 'easily cow-able clones', not just the young and not because of malls.
I prefer places like charity shops to malls, but I don't object to them completely. I own a wide variety of clothes (which tends to be the main mall product) and some are designer and 'mall'-bought (if the Birmingham Bullring is one) but I have not bought them for their label, I bought them because I felt the looked good on me and the style of them was unusual and 'different'. If I could find clothes as unique and sometimes even as beautiful for cheaper by any not-so-corporate means then I would undoubtedly choose that option.
Bt there isn't such an option. So I am mall-ward bound.

Here's a new topic that popped into my trouble-making head...

The Mall...

Is it a great one stop shopping place?

OR

An evil corporate structure meant to sublimate youth and turn them into easily cow-able clones?

Thoughts?

I think a mall is both, more the evil corporate structure, but I shop at malls. I'm guilty of funding Hot Topic but thats because the clothing is what I'm comfortable in. Im not proud of it, but I'm not going to be ashamed about finding something that makes me comfortable. I would like to note here that I am NOT the stereotypical Good Charlotte-and-emo-loving person who shops there. I am the person that just loves baggy pants.

Be aware of what people think of me? Like ultra-leftists and anti-capitalists? Seriously, I could care less what they think. Their opinions are insignificant, erroenous and irrelevant to me.

I'm not an ultra-leftist and if anything I am pushing capitalism.

Capitalism is based on the concept of competition in the market. If businesses can't compete because of political forces or various other factors, they can't grow.

If you want to support capitalism, stay out of the mall.

I'm not an ultra-leftist and if anything I am pushing capitalism.

Capitalism is based on the concept of competition in the market. If businesses can't compete because of political forces or various other factors, they can't grow.

If you want to support capitalism, stay out of the mall.

A mall promotes capitalism.. it promotes a market place. Businesses compete with each other in a mall. Therefore to say that I want to support capitalism by staying out of the mall is a blatant contradiction.. and a lie.

A mall promotes capitalism.. it promotes a market place. Businesses compete with each other in a mall. Therefore to say that I want to support capitalism by staying out of the mall is a blatant contradiction.. and a lie.

Reasons why malls don't support capitalism:

1) There are only 3 companies that own every major mall in America. Other companies that try get bought out by these three or are restricted by a pact made by these three with various local zoning authorites.

2) Those three companies own what goes in the mall. For example, is A&F competing with Aeropostale? Can't be, same company...what about Old Navy and the Gap....Nope, same company.

Hardly a contradiction and deifinitely not a lie. If everything is owned by one of three entities, and these entities have a pact regarding regions, layout, and structure, who is competing?

Reasons why malls don't support capitalism:

1) There are only 3 companies that own every major mall in America. Other companies that try get bought out by these three or are restricted by a pact made by these three with various local zoning authorites.

2) Those three companies own what goes in the mall. For example, is A&F competing with Aeropostale? Can't be, same company...what about Old Navy and the Gap....Nope, same company.

Hardly a contradiction and deifinitely not a lie. If everything is owned by one of three entities, and these entities have a pact regarding regions, layout, and structure, who is competing?

There are a lot more then 3 companies.

Lies, lies, lies.

There are a lot more then 3 companies.

Lies, lies, lies.


Okay...I give up on you. I can't make the blind see.

I just wonder if you often stick your fingers in your ears and screm "I CAN'T HEAR YOU" when others oppose your ever so broad view of the world.