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My teacher said there's no truth in science is that truth? he said science has no truth, and simply you can't see truth inherent to science. Is there no truth in science?

My teacher said there's no truth in science is that truth? he said science has no truth, and simply you can't see truth inherent to science. Is there no truth in science?

What is truth ? .... if reality is truth. The science is ripe with it. If reality is not truth.. then were can truth be found so that we may see it

Science is study, not a mere generic subject. It's the study of a property of life and the workings of life. If there is no truth in science, then nothing is what it truly is. Then that'll mean we're hooked up to machines like in the matrix.

Science is the eternal quest for truth.

Science is study, not a mere generic subject. It's the study of a property of life and the workings of life. If there is no truth in science, then nothing is what it truly is. Then that'll mean we're hooked up to machines like in the matrix.

Actually, the teacher might have a valid point. Strictly speaking, science is the elimination of untruth rather than the uncovering of truth. The difference is subtle, yet profound.

Science: Is A Model Building Description Of The Real World Based On The Scientific Method.

He Stated All Bodies Of Science Have To Be Taken Under The Scienctific Method.

It all depends on what the definition of "is" is.

Science, is (or rather should be) a pursuit of truth.

My teacher said there's no truth in science is that truth? he said science has no truth, and simply you can't see truth inherent to science. Is there no truth in science?there is only one truth in science... and it is the bolded in the quote.
Science is constantly changing. What some might call the "Truth" today may be disproven Tomorrow.
So Science is about finding the Facts and the Answers... even if we do not know what question we are asking, those answers and facts will be found. but not the truth.

but is there no truth in science?

but is there no truth in science?
Not if you consider what is believed to be truth today will be false tommorrow as science is advancing everyday and we learn new things constantly.

science isn't about finding the right answer, it's about eliminating the wrong ones.

but is there no truth in science?

depends on what you mean. if by truth you means something like "is it possible that some or all of our current scientific theories and laws accurately model the universe and describe what actually causes various events to occur and will do so in all times and locations?", then the answer is maybe. if the question is more like "is science able to tell us whether a scientific theory accurately describes the universe in all times and locations?", then the answer is no, unless we become omniscient. and then we won't need science to tell us anything anyway.

science isn't about finding the right answer, it's about eliminating the wrong ones.

it does also strive to present the best explanation for the evidence at hand. which is a lot like trying to find the right answer. the problem is that there is no ultimate answer key to check ourselves against other than our limited epistemological access to the universe. and from that limited perspective we just have to deal with the fact that what we think is the right answer today may be totally undermined by some new discovery tomorrow. so science provides an endless string of tentative 'right answers'.

it does also strive to present the best explanation for the evidence at hand. which is a lot like trying to find the right answer. the problem is that there is no ultimate answer key to check ourselves against other than our limited epistemological access to the universe. and from that limited perspective we just have to deal with the fact that what we think is the right answer today may be totally undermined by some new discovery tomorrow. so science provides an endless string of tentative 'right answers'.

wow, i think we actually agree on something.....

One of my college professors is quite animate about this. Over the years, I have come to see that he is correct: science does not deal with truth. Truth is an absolute thing...it cannot be wrong. Science is a tentative thing. We accept an explanation until a better one comes along. We could very well be wrong, even if it really, really seems like we're right. In fact, some of the strongest ideas in science have been shown to be not exactly right.

Here is a link to some articles that my teacher has online that can help you to see this much better than I can:

http://www.phy.ilstu.edu/programs/ptefiles/310content/nature/nature.html

My teacher said there's no truth in science is that truth? he said science has no truth, and simply you can't see truth inherent to science. Is there no truth in science?

How about this one....

Science is man's attempt to search for truth. However, we cannot say if science has truth in it. It is man's best attempt to find it. But it is only our perception of the truth. The truth is an absolute, and cannot change. Our perceptions can change, and will keep changing, as we uncover more about our world through science.

So, is there truth in science? Answer, you can only say so IF you know the truth already.

This is not to say that science is worthless. While we can't claim to have found the Truth, science represents the most likely explanation of the natural world. When we ditch an old theory in favour of a new one it's usually not a total change either, rather a refinement of the old theory with much of the previous claims still supported. For example, Newtonian physics have been disproven but are still accurate enough to apply to everyday life. Just start moving near light speed and you'll have problems.

but is there no truth in science?

It was truth that the earth was flat, that it was the center of the universe, and that man could not hope to fly.

We now know that the earth is round, that it is not the center of the solar system much less the universe, and that man can fly with the help of machines.

Who knows what we will know as 'truth' in 20 years?

Truth is such an arbitrary word. What is truth? If truth is knowing that objects with mass fall, or when sperm meets egg a baby is produced; then science holds many truths. If truth is being capable of making predictions about our world or universe, then science holds many truths. If truth means omniscient and thus the capability to be omnipotent, then no science holds no truths. I don't know, nor care, what anyone else may think, but I believe the first definition to be true.

Science = truth........unless it's theories and models

What is truth ? .... if reality is truth. The science is ripe with it. If reality is not truth.. then were can truth be found so that we may see it

Now we get philisophical. What is reality? Essentially if we assume that reality is that which we can see, hear, feel, taste, and smell...then science is truth.

Justice is a whole other issue.

Now we get philisophical. What is reality? Essentially if we assume that reality is that which we can see, hear, feel, taste, and smell...then science is truth.

Justice is a whole other issue.

What we experience with our senses is our perception of reality. Not reality. Like truth, reality does not change.

What we experience with our senses is our perception of reality. Not reality. Like truth, reality does not change.

Yes, but the hot stove will always burn you. The falling spear of piss from the airplane will always stick in you (If you've ever seen that picture). There are some things that perception cannot hide. These are what science is based on.

My teacher said there's no truth in science is that truth? he said science has no truth, and simply you can't see truth inherent to science. Is there no truth in science?

It used to be 'true' that the Earth was flat, and that it was only a couple of thousands of years old. It used to be 'true' that man couldn't fly. It used to be 'true' that you couldn't travel faster than the speed of sound.

The 'truth' changes, at least I think that's what your teacher may have meant. Take nothing for granted as 'true', always ask questions.

anymore responses?

Now we get philisophical. What is reality? Essentially if we assume that reality is that which we can see, hear, feel, taste, and smell...then science is truth.

Justice is a whole other issue.


If six people witness a car accident, guarenteed, there will be six different reports. They were all at the same event, and all saw the same event -- yet they all will perceive it differently.

If six people witness a car accident, guarenteed, there will be six different reports. They were all at the same event, and all saw the same event -- yet they all will perceive it differently.

That is perception, not truths of science. Any science theory would tell you what would happen/has happened and no one could argue it. What people think happens is not necessarily what science would say happens. Pardon if I misinterpretted you comment.

That is perception, not truths of science. Any science theory would tell you what would happen/has happened and no one could argue it. What people think happens is not necessarily what science would say happens. Pardon if I misinterpretted you comment.

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Originally Posted by Katganistan
If six people witness a car accident, guarenteed, there will be six different reports. They were all at the same event, and all saw the same event -- yet they all will perceive it differently.



That is perception, not truths of science. Any science theory would tell you what would happen/has happened and no one could argue it. What people think happens is not necessarily what science would say happens. Pardon if I misinterpretted you comment.

My teacher exactly pointed that out as not the truth in science.

Yes, but the hot stove will always burn you. The falling spear of piss from the airplane will always stick in you (If you've ever seen that picture). There are some things that perception cannot hide. These are what science is based on.

Of course, that is not to say that perception is only an illusion. Perception can contain truth. However, it could be that the reason the hot stove will burn the child is different to the one that a child perceives. On a bigger scale, how is one to know that science has the right reasons for the observations that it makes? E.g., light does bend around objects, but is that because it is a wave?

And yes I have seen that picture, but I'm still not sure whether to believe it.