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http://msn.match.com/msn/article.aspx?articleid=4319&TrackingID=516311&BannerID=544657&menuid=7 This is taken from MSN. But seriously guys, this is legit. I couldnt agree more with the clothes. I did this when I got divorced when I was alot younger. It absolutely makes a very huge difference. You can turn from 0 into hero with the right clothes. Also the hair, which they fail to mention. Any more tips from single guys on what works or for that matter single women. Also if you need give age specific advice please indicate.

I have all those things and I'm not single.

How about that ... it works!

Although ... I'm not too sure I'd ever date a girl who likes me based on my stuff.

Except for numbers 7 and 8, I have them. Those two are a fucking waste of $350. I'd rather buy an Xbox 360.

If a woman would blow me off because I don't have a lamp on my nightstand and can't make Starbucks coffee in my apartment... I'm not sure she's the one, ya know?

If a woman would blow me off because I don't have a lamp on my nightstand and can't make Starbucks coffee in my apartment... I'm not sure she's the one, ya know?

Yeah, I'm sort of wondering what kind of people you want to attract if those are the criteria they desire. I don't think I'd ever even consider a woman who would reject me for not wearing $150 dollar jeans or $200 dollar shoes; I mean, how vain could you get!?

If a woman would blow me off because I don't have a lamp on my nightstand and can't make Starbucks coffee in my apartment... I'm not sure she's the one, ya know?
Second, besides, I'm not attractive enough to convince women shallow enough to care about that to spend any time with me anyway.

What a stupid fucking list. :headbang: That's great advice for metrosexuals in L.A. but I don't know any decent girls that admire $150 jeans - and a good coffee maker? What if I don't like coffee? And everyone knows by the time a girl sees your underwear it doesn't really matter what you're wearing - you're gonna get some.

Articles like this just perpetuate the disgusting materialism that is already all too present in the western world. If you want to get a girl you only need to follow two simple guidelines:

1) Be confident in yourself
2) Don't look like a total slob

If you think material wealth is gonna attract a quality woman than all I have to say is enjoy the vapid gold diggers.

Second, besides, I'm not attractive enough to convince women shallow enough to care about that to spend any time with me anyway.

Ahahaha! Thats awesome that you can admit that anonomously on the internet. :cool:

What a gay fucking list. :headbang:

Such a ****** thing to say.

(See how it's not okay for me to use the n-word in the negative sense? It's not okay for you to use "gay" in the negative either. Please stop doing it.)

I am very pleased with all the hostility towards male fashion. Death to metrosexuality, death to the social castration of males (and females), and death to the sale of sex.

The article is a guidline. Now dont take it to heart because its not all that you need to do. Confidence was mentioned by peegee. Thats a big part of it. The jist is to attract a woman by dressing nice. Your personality will dictate if you strike up a attraction or not. This is a guide to help in the first contact. I actually own a bar and getting ready to open a second. One thing I do notice while cruising the place on a weekend night. Guys that dress well are more apt to get the initial attention. Dressing well means alot of different things but it surely doesnt mean metrosexual as someone earlier in the post suggested.

Such a ****** thing to say.

(See how it's not okay for me to use the n-word in the negative sense? It's not okay for you to use "gay" in the negative either. Please stop doing it.)

Fass will have to agree with you for once about something. I second that.

yes you need a lamp in your bedroom, you need a nice sofa, you need good undies.

learn how to cook one or two really nice full meals, desert included.

unless you live in the big city you dont need expensive jeans or shoes, nor do you need a fancy coffee maker

forget the 300 thread count sheets, get the 1000 thread count sheets at sam's club

$150 jeans? Sorry, but this is one case where versatility doesn't count for much. If I can sport either a pair of cheaper, classier slacks, or some truly casual denims depending on the situation, why in the world would I shell out that kind of cash?

Such a ****** thing to say.

(See how it's not okay for me to use the n-word in the negative sense? It's not okay for you to use "gay" in the negative either. Please stop doing it.)


My bad man, edited my post. I got nothing against homosexuals.

1. A top-notch coffee/espresso maker
I HATE coffee. I have a water boiler and plenty of tea bags though (and an Incredibles mug that finally got delivered).
2. A lamp in your bedroom
I actually have a nice IKEA lamp. It has a reading and a ceiling flood lamp.
3. Swiffer Sweeper + Swiffer Cloths + Swiffer Wet Cloths
Ugh... I finally got myself carpet tiles for my room. But I was the only guy around with a vacuum cleaner, so that was pretty much the same :D
4. A comfortable couch
No room. My bed has to suffice.
5. Nice underwear
Yeah, I use normal underwear.
6. A key-ring that can fix, cut, and open anything
Muahahaha. I actually have an official BSA firestarter kit on my key chain...
(I can use it as a weapon too, if I need to :D )
7. $150+ jeans
I HATE jeans as much as I like coffee
8. $200+ dress shoes
I actually wear sandals most of the time (helps prevent foot odor, and no, I don't wear socks with sandals)
9. 300-thread-count cotton sheets
I like a soft bed, but that doesn't matter when you go to her place to get it on all the time :D
10. The Joy of Cooking
I don't need Joy to cook! I spent a year cooking for CHILDREN and children are the pickiest eaters in the world (besides me).

If I somehow ended up on a date, with a guy, that had 150$ jeans and 200$ shoes, I would probably just think he was some rich prick... infact I think I have been on a date with a guy wearing clothes like that...and he was a prick! XD

$150 jeans? Sorry, but this is one case where versatility doesn't count for much. If I can sport either a pair of cheaper, classier slacks, or some truly casual denims depending on the situation, why in the world would I shell out that kind of cash?


I honestly think they were meaning name brands. However if you cant pry yourself from $150 for a pair of jeans. I'm sure what you suggested would work.
I myself have Italian shoes for the most part. I get compliments on them continously. Some cost $30 where I buy them some are $300. It is just the style and the fact that they are really hand made. I admit they are not as comfortable as a machined chinese version. But wearing Chinese shoes never got attention. For what I do and how I present myself it works for me very well.

I'm wearing a Moda jacket, Edo jeans, Tarocash shirt and Apollo shoes totally a value of $540. I can tell you the right clothes make a damn load of difference.

My bad man, edited my post. I got nothing against homosexuals.

Thank you. I appreciate it.

If I somehow ended up on a date, with a guy, that had 150$ jeans and 200$ shoes, I would probably just think he was some rich prick... infact I think I have been on a date with a guy wearing clothes like that...and he was a prick! XD


Well if he was a gentlemen then he would have been a very nicely dressed gentlemen. Behavior is a big key to dating. Confident, cool and looking sharp is a potent tool in a man's dating life.

From a girl's point of view, I admit that a LOT of the specifics are superfluous, but not all of them. I was overjoyed when my boyfriend finally bought an espresso machine (even if it is a fairly cheap one), because now when he makes me breakfast in the mornings -- which he does by choice, so let's not say I require him to -- I can have a nice cup with it. Swiffer, eh....not so important. Just clean it up once in awhile. But trust me, they weren't lying about the comfortable couch, the super-soft sheets, or the underwear. There's nothing more important than comfort when watching a movie, comfort when *ahem* not watching a movie, and a nice gift wrap on the package ;)

The article is a guidline. Now dont take it to heart because its not all that you need to do. Confidence was mentioned by peegee. Thats a big part of it. The jist is to attract a woman by dressing nice. Your personality will dictate if you strike up a attraction or not. This is a guide to help in the first contact. I actually own a bar and getting ready to open a second. One thing I do notice while cruising the place on a weekend night. Guys that dress well are more apt to get the initial attention. Dressing well means alot of different things but it surely doesnt mean metrosexual as someone earlier in the post suggested.

That guide is to help in the first contact? That's a load of bullshit.

Unless women come knocking on your door randomly, than only 2 of those things will have any impact on your first contact with anyone, and thats ludicrously expensive clothes, which will only attract certain women, and really aren't the most important thing for making a good first impression.

A guy wearing a decent $50 outfit that is confident, interesting, and funny, will have a much better chance of picking up a girl than one in a $1000 outfit who lacks the above qualities.

The other eight items (save for the leatherman - but how often does anyone use those around women?) on the list won't even be noticed until you get the girl to come to your house, by which point you should have already proven your worth to her.

I hope that everyone has discovered this is just one huge advertisement patheticaly masquerading as a news article.

That guide is to help in the first contact? That's a load of bullshit.You'll notice a lot of it is for when you take her home and how to keep her in the short run. The cooking especially...

What a silly list.

I don't think I'm particularly atypical as females go, and I really can't imagine caring much if at all about any of those things. Swiffers are useful, a bedside lamp is nice, I prefer all furniture to be comfortable, and cooking is dead sexy, but the lack of any or all of the above is highly unlikely to affect my opinion of someone. ("You don't have a bedside lamp? This relationship is over!") As for the other items, the author of the article seems to believe that women in general are shallow idiots. I seriously doubt I could tell $150 jeans from $25 jeans without close inspection, and if I did somehow manage to tell the difference, I'd be more likely to think the $150 guy was a fool for not spending the extra $125 on something more useful or fun than to be at all impressed. Heck, he could have bought me chocolates with that money! :p

That guide is to help in the first contact? That's a load of bullshit.

Unless women come knocking on your door randomly, than only 2 of those things will have any impact on your first contact with anyone, and thats ludicrously expensive clothes, which will only attract certain women, and really aren't the most important thing for making a good first impression.

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Hey I know its not B.S. I have seen it in action many times. Now you can argue all you want for just being regular and buying cheap crap. All Im saying is that you vastly improve your chances in a club/bar/private social event/work get together/whatever else social situation if you are better dressed than the rest. If your attitude is crap then you will get just that. I have had women come up to me and ask me where I got my shoes. If that isnt a converstation starter then I dont know what is.

Simonist']From a girl's point of view, I admit that a LOT of the specifics are superfluous, but not all of them. I was overjoyed when my boyfriend finally bought an espresso machine (even if it is a fairly cheap one), because now when he makes me breakfast in the mornings -- which he does by choice, so let's not say I require him to -- I can have a nice cup with it. Swiffer, eh....not so important. Just clean it up once in awhile. But trust me, they weren't lying about the comfortable couch, the super-soft sheets, or the underwear. There's nothing more important than comfort when watching a movie, comfort when *ahem* not watching a movie, and a nice gift wrap on the package ;)

I'm not trying to say that girls don't like all the stuff in the article, I'm just saying that your personality is far more important than any material posessions are for getting a girl.

If you want to keep your girlfriend, than that list may be helpful, but for attracting women its all about being presentable and confident. Having a coffee maker isnt going to make you any less single.

I'm not trying to say that girls don't like all the stuff in the article, I'm just saying that your personality is far more important than any material posessions are for getting a girl.

If you want to keep your girlfriend, than that list may be helpful, but for attracting women its all about being presentable and confident. Having a coffee maker isnt going to make you any less single.
I very much agree, and coming from the point of view that I am in the relationship I am, I probably have a better grasp of this list than most girls. The night I met my current boyfriend was when I went over to his new apartment with a few friends of mine to help him unpack, so I had a really good idea early on of the kind of stuff he has......and whether or not my stuff is nicer (which some of it is), you're right, personality makes a hell of a difference.

Hey I know its not B.S. I have seen it in action many times. Now you can argue all you want for just being regular and buying cheap crap. All Im saying is that you vastly improve your chances in a club/bar/private social event/work get together/whatever else social situation if you are better dressed than the rest. If your attitude is crap then you will get just that. I have had women come up to me and ask me where I got my shoes. If that isnt a converstation starter then I dont know what is.

Gaaah. Fine - nice shoes may attract some women - but a bedside lamp isn't going to get you a fucking girlfriend! Seven out of the ten things on that list are in your place of residence and therefor have no bearing on a first contact! They may help once you get the girl back home, but by that point you're already 90% there.

Personally, I don't really care. And I know a lot of girls wouldn't but its just something if you have it the better I guess. I mean we won't comment but we will like put it in the back of our heads. I'm not shallow its just a lot of the really hot guys I know own 1 pair of nice jeans. The dress shoes I can live w/ out.

Thank you. I appreciate it.

Thanks for calling me out - thats a bad habit of mine that I really need to kick.

1. A top-notch coffee/espresso maker

Got a pretty damn good coffee maker. I love the stuff so I went and bought a good one for myself.

2. A lamp in your bedroom

Have two... nothing special.

3. Swiffer Sweeper + Swiffer Cloths + Swiffer Wet Cloths

Those little buggers are rather handy but still... meh, nothing special.

4. A comfortable couch

This I paid good money for, not to impress women with, but because I deemed it a worth usage of good money. Personal reasons. :p

5. Nice underwear

I only own boxers; there is nothing particularly fancy about any of them. I DO make sure to replace them though.

6. A key-ring that can fix, cut, and open anything

I have so many of these little gadgets around I can loose track of the damn things and it won't matter.

7. $150+ jeans

Kiss. My. Ass

8. $200+ dress shoes

See above.

9. 300-thread-count cotton sheets

I have better and I probably payed less for it then I could pay for ANYTHING in Bed, Bath, and Beyond.

10. The Joy of Cooking

I learned to cook before going to college for the sake of self-sufficiency, I had no intention of living on something that came from a box and is likely to burn a hole through my internal organs. I have gotten pretty damn good at it since then and it is true, most women consider it to be dead sexy.

To echo most of the posters here, a chick would have to be pretty damn shallow for any of this to really matter. I don't think I could endure the company of someone who judged me by shoes fucking price tag. That aside, I believe that the whole point of putting in your time in exchange for money is so that you can buy yourself a standard of living. I try to balance living well with spending responsibly.

Hey I know its not B.S. I have seen it in action many times. Now you can argue all you want for just being regular and buying cheap crap. All Im saying is that you vastly improve your chances in a club/bar/private social event/work get together/whatever else social situation if you are better dressed than the rest. If your attitude is crap then you will get just that. I have had women come up to me and ask me where I got my shoes. If that isnt a converstation starter then I dont know what is.

ROFl...maybe where you're from. If I were to drop $150 for a pair of jeans, the worth would be lost on the women here except for them to notice they're not wranglers.

As for the rest of the stuff, I dont carry a leatherman on me but I do have a pocketknife handy at all times (Eagle scout for ya). I put satin sheets on my king size waterbed because, well, they're softer than cotton. I dont drink coffee and I am rarely ever in my bedroom to warrant needing a lamp in there.

I've never had a problem picking up girls, or bringing them home, or even getting a second chance with them.

Of course, the first rule of pimping is that you never EVER bring the girl to your place. Always go to hers - that way she wont know where you live... If you date her long enough for her to come to your place, you shouldnt have to worry too much about your furnishings...

I like my black leather sofa because, Goddamnit, it's comfortable - that's the reason I bought it in the first place. I spent a good month visiting all the shops around, laying on all the sofas, trying to find the one that was most comfortable for when my friends stay the night.

All those things the article says to avoid (with the exception of nasty underwear) only make you look sleazy if you already were sleazy to begin with.

Jeez...what a load of crap....


except for the 300 thread count sheets ;) (the only thing on the list I own, a man has to have quality tools to work with)

http://msn.match.com/msn/article.aspx?articleid=4319&TrackingID=516311&BannerID=544657&menuid=7 This is taken from MSN. But seriously guys, this is legit. I couldnt agree more with the clothes. I did this when I got divorced when I was alot younger. It absolutely makes a very huge difference. You can turn from 0 into hero with the right clothes. Also the hair, which they fail to mention. Any more tips from single guys on what works or for that matter single women. Also if you need give age specific advice please indicate.

Next, your going to want us to be neutered right? If you need this stuff to get ladies, you have serious issues to begin with.

Absolutely a must (especially since I'm allergic to polyester, but I digress)... the Egyptian cotton is a must. Every woman who's been there has complimented the sheets... without prompting. :D So I guess it works!

http://msn.match.com/msn/article.aspx?articleid=4319&TrackingID=516311&BannerID=544657&menuid=7 This is taken from MSN. But seriously guys, this is legit. I couldnt agree more with the clothes. I did this when I got divorced when I was alot younger. It absolutely makes a very huge difference. You can turn from 0 into hero with the right clothes. Also the hair, which they fail to mention. Any more tips from single guys on what works or for that matter single women. Also if you need give age specific advice please indicate.
What a load of wank...maybe if you're a post-yuppie meterosexual.

1. A top-notch coffee/espresso maker - look, I do enjoy a good coffee, but a can of instant or a perculator is more than sufficient. Espresso maker? Hardly an essential...

2. A lamp in your bedroom - well, no shit! And here I am using night vision goggles like a sucker! Never thought of a lamp before :rolleyes:

3. Swiffer Sweeper + Swiffer Cloths + Swiffer Wet Cloths - uh, how about a broom and a vacuum? Why do I need some brandname cleaning appliances? Kickback for the author, maybe?

4. A comfortable couch - OK, this I can agree on. Slouching around, with a beer, watching TV...hell yeah you need a comfortable couch.

5. Nice underwear - "nice"? NICE? Plain white or black briefs are all a MAN needs. Nuff said.

6. A key-ring that can fix, cut, and open anything - almost right. Keys and a can/bottle opener are all that's essential. Maybe a mini-torch. Much more than that and were into the realm of wank again.

7. $150+ jeans - STFU! 150 bucks, American? Thats like $250.00 Australian. I can get about 4 or 5 pairs of good jeans for that. Only some tosser obsessed with labels would dish out that kind of moula...

8. $200+ dress shoes - ROTFL - see jeans, above. You can get a decent pair of dress shoes for $50 or less. And unless your need them for work, or are expecting to attend any funerals, weddings or court appearances, get some boots instead.

9. 300-thread-count cotton sheets - yeah, and then your mommy can powder your bum with talcum and put your nappies on, too...

10. The Joy of Cooking - pfft. Anyone can cook a decent meal without some la-te-da cookbook. Better yet, order takeaway..

Now here's some items that SHOULD have been on there:

> A well stocked bar, and beer in your fridge...

> Bigscreen TV with cable - for WWE, action movies, or some good old fashioned hardcore German porn...

> A samurai sword on a wall mount. Do I need to explain?

> A good, glass double-chambered bong...

> Pet: a snake, lizard or something else coldblooded. Otherwise a dog, the uglier the better. Bulldogs are ideal. Absolutely no cats.

> Framed pics of you and your mates drunk on booze-ups.

> A good BBQ.

> Bigscreen TV with cable - for WWE, action movies, or some good old fashioned hardcore German porn...You're honestly defending "Lass Jucken, Kumpel" and all that crap? German porn is a crime against humanity! Sheesh.

Next, your going to want us to be neutered right? If you need this stuff to get ladies, you have serious issues to begin with.

Is there somethin wrong with being neutered? WELLL...is There?


lol

Next, your going to want us to be neutered right? If you need this stuff to get ladies, you have serious issues to begin with.

If one was nuetered than that would defeat the purpose per se. But think that maybe your taking the context of the article out of its original intent. Stuff doesnt replace character and personality.

now, i'm a girl with fairly normal tastes, but fuck, if i went to a guys house and he had all that in it, i'd be wondering how the hell i got to hobnobbing with someone who can spend so much money on such stupid crap.

except The Joy of Cooking. The government should hand that book out to everyone when they turn 18.

and not to sound sluttish, but if i'm in a guy's house after a date, he's getting some kind of action already.

But seriously, give me a guy who's funny and smart and likes me and that's all i need...i dont care about what he wears or what his couch looks like...but the Xbox 360 would be a nice perk...good thinking whoever said that. ;)

If one was nuetered than that would defeat the purpose per se. But think that maybe your taking the context of the article out of its original intent. Stuff doesnt replace character and personality.

Personality so makes up for the rest though. Most likely it wasnt the change in clothes you started wearing, it was the attitude you wore them with...

Well it's kind of hypocritical to say you wouldn't go out with a girl wh ojudged you on how you dress, when guys do it to girls every day.

Plus, first impressions mean a lot, more than most people would like to admit.

The point of the article is look good. It doesn't matter how much you spend on your clothes or your sofa, or your bedsheets, so long as you're not a complete slob.

Plus everyone's definition of 'looking good' is different, spend the $300 on something else that would make you 'look good' to the girl of your dreams.

Pfft.

Personality so makes up for the rest though. Most likely it wasnt the change in clothes you started wearing, it was the attitude you wore them with...


You hit on a good point. Dressing nice helps alot of guys out in the confidence area. Sitting in my bar at night I watch alot of different things go on. I dont drink while watching over the place so I notice alot of things going on. I can tell you after watching many a weekend nights. Guys that look good and show a good personality are doing better in the bar. Now I do so often see the well dressed stiff. But mind as well be wearing jean cutoffs and a flanel. It is the same thing.
All Im saying is to better promote ones self by dressing decent. Not 100% of the time. But when it counts. Most young guys are into one thing. So I originally posted this as a half advice thread to alot of guys that screw it up. I see that in the bar too. Now if you can walk into a place looking like you just crawled out from under an underpass and still pull women. Good for you, but for the average guy out there. You have to prepare yourself for success.

You hit on a good point. Dressing nice helps alot of guys out in the confidence area. Sitting in my bar at night I watch alot of different things go on. I dont drink while watching over the place so I notice alot of things going on. I can tell you after watching many a weekend nights. Guys that look good and show a good personality are doing better in the bar. Now I do so often see the well dressed stiff. But mind as well be wearing jean cutoffs and a flanel. It is the same thing.
All Im saying is to better promote ones self by dressing decent. Not 100% of the time. But when it counts. Most young guys are into one thing. So I originally posted this as a half advice thread to alot of guys that screw it up. I see that in the bar too. Now if you can walk into a place looking like you just crawled out from under an underpass and still pull women. Good for you, but for the average guy out there. You have to prepare yourself for success.Teehee, reminds me of when I was going to a senior party. Dressing decent was magnetic to some women. It was then that I learned that "No money" is the best choice of words to scare away prostitutes... :D

Teehee, reminds me of when I was going to a senior party. Dressing decent was magnetic to some women. It was then that I learned that "No money" is the best choice of words to scare away prostitutes... :D

hehe, yes I know exactly what you mean. But you know these women are around at all ages. If you pay attention you can spot these ones a mile away.

hehe, yes I know exactly what you mean. But you know these women are around at all ages. If you pay attention you can spot these ones a mile away.They were real prostitutes. The party was in a less reputable part of Berlin :D
"Hey, sweetie, come over here. Only talking, ok?" :rolleyes:

They were real prostitutes. The party was in a less reputable part of Berlin :D
"Hey, sweetie, come over here. Only talking, ok?" :rolleyes:

LOL

Absolutely a must (especially since I'm allergic to polyester, but I digress)... the Egyptian cotton is a must. Every woman who's been there has complimented the sheets... without prompting. :D So I guess it works!

If they were already there, you can't really say the sheets made much of a difference.

Incidentally, if anyone's looking for amazingly comfortable sheets at a much cheaper price, I have one word: Beech.

LOLFunny thing is I actually had money on me that night. It was for a friend's and my train tickets... :p

If they were already there, you can't really say the sheets made much of a difference.

Incidentally, if anyone's looking for amazingly comfortable sheets at a much cheaper price, I have one word: Beech.

Tellin ya, get satin sheets...

So much hostility towards that list. Jesus.

So much hostility towards that list. Jesus.
Because it's a load of twaddle written by some sanctimonious twit whose idea of the real world seems to be based on B-grade soap operas and Kalvin Klein ads...

Because it's a load of twaddle written by some sanctimonious twit whose idea of the real world seems to be based on B-grade soap operas and Kalvin Klein ads...

It's just a freaking advice column. If you don't think it's good advice, don't take it. It's so simple. But all this "rarg! this is what's wrong with our society rarg!" is just overdramatic bullshit.

In the spirit of the post I was just trying something different other than the serious posts that dominate NS. I challenge people to come up with your own lists if you think this articles is so out of touch. I know some of you have and I got a good laugh at those. So lets here some more. You can either agree or disagree and post your own list.

Tellin ya, get satin sheets...

You know I tried those, didnt go over well. The word cheesy did come out of a new gf mouth when she saw those. However the higher thread counts have got me props when I was single. In fact still use them because they are good quality.

It's just a freaking advice column. If you don't think it's good advice, don't take it. It's so simple. But all this "rarg! this is what's wrong with our society rarg!" is just overdramatic bullshit.
Well, personally I do take it with a grain of salt. My initial response was more-or-less a pisstake. But there's no denying it's rubbish advice...

Well, personally I do take it with a grain of salt. My initial response was more-or-less a pisstake. But there's no denying it's rubbish advice...

There's plenty denying it's rubbish advice. They don't just pull these things out of ass-space. That's real advice collected from real people who go on real dates.

This article is from MSN 'Lifestyle', who typically assumes everyone has US$100,000 of dispensible income to spare. Its only part of a movement to encourage excessive consumerism while two-thirds of the world's childern starve or die or easily preventable diseases.

Yes, I'm what you would call a bleeding-heart liberal (but I beleive in Capitalism is the best economic system humanily possible).

On a revelant note ('scoring pussy') you can always try taking part in community programs which attract young women (i.e. anything involving childern and small animals).

There's plenty denying it's rubbish advice. They don't just pull these things out of ass-space. That's real advice collected from real people who go on real dates.
Hang on...are you waggling your finger at me because I took it too seriously, or because I think it's a load of bunk? Me confused...:p

did anyone else just think that was there to advertise the products they are telling you to get?

There's plenty denying it's rubbish advice. They don't just pull these things out of ass-space. That's real advice collected from real people who go on real dates.
It all depends on the woman.

I know a number of women to whom this list would apply. I know a slew of other women to whom the list would be wasted on... It's all about what you want in a woman.

It all depends on the woman.

I know a number of women to whom this list would apply. I know a slew of other women to whom the list would be wasted on... It's all about what you want in a woman.

...or what they want from you

Hang on...are you waggling your finger at me because I took it too seriously, or because I think it's a load of bunk? Me confused...:p

I'm not mad at you specifically. You were just the first to respond to my post, so you get to be yelled at. I don't even remember what you posted. But there are people here who are taking it way too seriously, and there are people who are being entirely too judgemental of the list and the kind of people who would follow the advice.

Wat kind of egocentric ljoser thinks they need all of that shit i mean really girls want a guy who will be them selves not some loser that wears nice cloths and has a nice couch i mean really! Unless u want a stupid himatience girl friend that cries when u say some girl looked nice that u saw today but if u want a girl like that be my geust do wat MSN says

1. A top-notch coffee/espresso maker

Coffee. *spit* No thanks.

7. $150+ jeans

Hey there's a surprise, someone telling me to buy expensive clothing. Metrosexual PC bullshit too.

8. $200+ dress shoes
Accept it: Girls are into footwear,

Yes. GIRLS are. I'm a man. I'm hairy, and I have no sense of fashion, and I like it that way. A woman who's not into me because of shoes I have, or more to the point shoes I don't have, is a stupid superficial bitch anyway and I don't want her. Let her money-grub some metrosexual fool, I prefer real people.

10. The Joy of Cooking
Few things are sexier than a guy who can cook.

*spit* That's a woman's job. I'm tired of the metrosexual bullshit. And really, whats SEXY about a man who can cook? The man, or the cooking? Let's think about Gothmog in Lord of the Rings. You know, the warty orc general dude. Imagine that he can cook pasta. Is he any sexier? No. I rest my case.

Well, for the record, I don't take it uber seriously. But I do think that the article is written from a shallow, materialistic and overly commercial POV...;)

Yes. GIRLS are. I'm a man. I'm hairy, and I have no sense of fashion, and I like it that way. A woman who's not into me because of shoes I have, or more to the point shoes I don't have, is a stupid superficial bitch anyway and I don't want her. Let her money-grub some metrosexual fool, I prefer real people.
Hear hear! :D

ur an asshole if u think a womens job is to sit around the house and cook and do chores im a guy and i cook my father also cooks almost every meal that doesn't make him any less of a man i think u are just some loser who's stuck in the past i mean my mom has very high job running a very large company called CMS she just got promoted acctually no man in her office can do what she does so rethink what u said!

It all depends on the woman.

I know a number of women to whom this list would apply. I know a slew of other women to whom the list would be wasted on... It's all about what you want in a woman.

And I would imagine that Happen and Sync magazine do not have very good circulation in your neck of the woods.

Yes. GIRLS are. I'm a man. I'm hairy, and I have no sense of fashion, and I like it that way. A woman who's not into me because of shoes I have, or more to the point shoes I don't have, is a stupid superficial bitch anyway and I don't want her. Let her money-grub some metrosexual fool, I prefer real people.


Give me a break. Men judge women completely off of appearances all the time.

ur an asshole if u think a womens job is to sit around the house and cook and do chores im a guy and i cook my father also cooks almost every meal that doesn't make him any less of a man i think u are just some loser who's stuck in the past i mean my mom has very high job running a very large company called CMS she just got promoted acctually no man in her office can do what she does so rethink what u said!
I think you make a valid point, but until I see it in intelligible English I just won't know...:p

Give me a break. Men judge women completely off of appearances all the time.

Two wrongs do not make a right. And judging a person based on their appearance is different from judging them based on their SHOES... or how much their shoes COST. Only golddiggers would care about that shit.

but man its all good lol i dont know if wat u said was serious or not if it was i stand by wat isaid if u were just messin with people o well lol

ya wat i said in the title haha im just a stupid 9th grader how good can my english really be at least i dont speak spainish then u really wouldn't know wat i said

And I would imagine that Happen and Sync magazine do not have very good circulation in your neck of the woods.

LOL...when you say neck of the woods...you have no idea...

Just because I live in a very uncultured part of the world doesnt mean I dont appreciate culture...

However, there are MANY people here who don't appreciate culture and thus, any resemblance of culture would be a waste...

I mean, c'mon...the most designer place to shop here is Abercrombie and Fitch...western clothing stores outnumber the "designer" stores....and Olive Garden is the nicest restaurant around (and if you walk in there wearing anything nicer than jeans, you're overdressed...)

However, just because I live here doesnt mean I really fit in here...

I was just stating that it's all about the woman you want to pick up. If you want a woman from around here, go buy a pair of wranglers, some shit-kickers, a cowboy hat, and a plaid button up shirt...

Give me a break. Men judge women completely off of appearances all the time.

*gives Kit Kat bar*

and women do the same to men.

This whole topic is crude. Compassion and understanding are how lasting relationships are made, not shoes and coffee.

I think this advice column is best absorbed wearing these: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9505117&postcount=1

Two wrongs do not make a right. And judging a person based on their appearance is different from judging them based on their SHOES... or how much their shoes COST. Only golddiggers would care about that shit.

Not true...I'll freely admit that when it comes to shoes, you almost always get what you pay for.

Pay $50 for a pair of shoes, they look like $50 shoes...pay $300 for a pair of shoes, they look like $300 shoes.

Jeans are something I dont agree that price makes a difference on, but price does make a difference on shirts and coats...

Not true...I'll freely admit that when it comes to shoes, you almost always get what you pay for.

Pay $50 for a pair of shoes, they look like $50 shoes...pay $300 for a pair of shoes, they look like $300 shoes.

Jeans are something I dont agree that price makes a difference on, but price does make a difference on shirts and coats...

Maybe, but so what? I'm not ashamed if my shoes don't cost 300 feckin dollars. And if someone judges me poorly based on my lack of shame, that's their loss. Frankly I'd be more ashamed to be buying useless crap like that just to look pampered and pretty and conformist. Hell sometimes I just go barefoot! I'm wild like that.

Maybe, but so what? I'm not ashamed if my shoes don't cost 300 feckin dollars. And if someone judges me poorly based on my lack of shame, that's their loss. Frankly I'd be more ashamed to be buying useless crap like that just to look pampered and pretty and conformist. Hell sometimes I just go barefoot! I'm wild like that.

LOL...it's not about looking like you have money to spend on them...

My most expensive pair of boots is a $200 pair designed for mountain climbing. Think anyone around here (West Texas) has any idea of the price of those boots? Are they overpriced? Those are cheap for mountaineering boots. And they'll last me my entire life as long as I take care of them. Think a $50 pair of Hi-Tec boots will last anywhere near as long?

I'm just saying that what you pay for shoes does make a difference in the quality and thus appearance of the shoe. Whether you can find it in yourself to justify $300 for shoes or not is up to you, but dont blast the guys that are willing to put up that much money for a pair of shoes that will last them much longer than your $30 walmart specials will.

Maybe, but so what? I'm not ashamed if my shoes don't cost 300 feckin dollars. And if someone judges me poorly based on my lack of shame, that's their loss. Frankly I'd be more ashamed to be buying useless crap like that just to look pampered and pretty and conformist. Hell sometimes I just go barefoot! I'm wild like that.

It's one of those things. The better you look, the more seriously you are taken.

It really isn't about conformity. No matter which social group you subscribe to, dressing better will allow you to do more of what you want.

This article isn't over the top. They're targeting an average person, probably around mid 20's.

And it's all true. When I dress nicely I get noticed and people come talk to me. When I wear my clothes I've had since 8-th grade it's the complete opposite.

How you present yourself is a reflection on your life.

And really, whats SEXY about a man who can cook? The man, or the cooking? Let's think about Gothmog in Lord of the Rings. You know, the warty orc general dude. Imagine that he can cook pasta. Is he any sexier?

Well, no, but only because any idiot can cook pasta. :p Now, if he can make a delicious homemade sauce to put on the pasta, that would definitely make him sexier. Obviously, seeing as he's a friggin' orc, that will still leave him a long, long way from what most people would consider sexy, but it's something.

Honestly, I think a lot of what's sexy about a guy who can cook is that he tends not to just assume that I'll be cooking for him. Don't get me wrong - I'm an excellent cook, very much enjoy cooking, and am generally happy to cook for people. I just like having the option of not cooking while still eating something better than peanut butter sandwiches.

Plus, cooking dinner for your significant other always earns you "sweetie" points. :)

LOL...it's not about looking like you have money to spend on them...

Yes, yes that's EXACTLY what this article is about.

My most expensive pair of boots is a $200 pair designed for mountain climbing. Think anyone around here (West Texas) has any idea of the price of those boots? Are they overpriced? Those are cheap for mountaineering boots. And they'll last me my entire life as long as I take care of them. Think a $50 pair of Hi-Tec boots will last anywhere near as long?

Well that's different, these are "dress shoes" they're talking about.

I'm just saying that what you pay for shoes does make a difference in the quality and thus appearance of the shoe.

Granted, to an extent. But I've worn 20 dollar sneakers, very comfortable (=quality) for years on end. Should I not be satisfied with that?

Whether you can find it in yourself to justify $300 for shoes or not is up to you, but dont blast the guys that are willing to put up that much money for a pair of shoes that will last them much longer than your $30 walmart specials will.

I blast the article writers who think I need to get 300 dollar shoes so that women will like me. Fuck that.

Well, no, but only because any idiot can cook pasta. :p Now, if he can make a delicious homemade sauce to put on the pasta, that would definitely make him sexier. Obviously, seeing as he's a friggin' orc, that will still leave him a long, long way from what most people would consider sexy, but it's something.

Honestly, I think a lot of what's sexy about a guy who can cook is that he tends not to just assume that I'll be cooking for him. Don't get me wrong - I'm an excellent cook, very much enjoy cooking, and am generally happy to cook for people. I just like having the option of not cooking while still eating something better than peanut butter sandwiches.

Plus, cooking dinner for your significant other always earns you "sweetie" points. :)

And, of course, you dont have to worry about that one woman that could burn water... Believe me, they're out there...I was married to one. If not for Mac n Cheese and pancakes, she never would've set foot in the kitchen, thus, it was definately a good thing that I can cook...

Yes, yes that's EXACTLY what this article is about.



Well that's different, these are "dress shoes" they're talking about.



Granted, to an extent. But I've worn 20 dollar sneakers, very comfortable (=quality) for years on end. Should I not be satisfied with that?



I blast the article writers who think I need to get 300 dollar shoes so that women will like me. Fuck that.

It's not about the price of the shoes...it's about showing that you have more class than the guy who's wearing $20 walmart sneakers...

That's what the whole list was about - exhibiting class. Every item on there is not about showing wealth, it's about showing class and good taste. Even a $200 pair of shit-kickers look nicer than a $50 pair...and it's not about showing that you have the money to spend on them. It's about showing good taste and appreciating quality. It's a personality thing...

If a woman would blow me off because I don't have a lamp on my nightstand and can't make Starbucks coffee in my apartment... I'm not sure she's the one, ya know?It's not about the lamp. It's about making her feel comfortable in your house. The vast majority of chicks have lamps on their bedside tables. If you have one too, she won't notice, but it'll make her think of you as more domestic.
If you bring her coffee in the morning, she'll see it as a sweet gesture. She will not be thinking about the price of your coffee maker. Though the price is a little over the top. You'd do just as well to get one of those coffee presses, and grind your beans yourself...
As for the clothes, that's BS. Wear clothes that express your personality. But the thing about how your jeans should fit is true. The ass of your pants around your knees expresses nothing but poor taste. If I found out that my date had spent over $100 (Canadian) on shoes, I'd be turned off. Then again, I'm a commie.

As for the clothes, that's BS. Wear clothes that express your personality. But the thing about how your jeans should fit is true. The ass of your pants around your knees expresses nothing but poor taste. If I found out that my date had spent over $100 (Canadian) on shoes, I'd be turned off. Then again, I'm a commie.

Despite your commie status, you being of female persuasion and supportive of my essential point, is something I appreciate.

Two wrongs do not make a right. And judging a person based on their appearance is different from judging them based on their SHOES... or how much their shoes COST. Only golddiggers would care about that shit.Smart golddiggers look for men who don't spend all their money of shoes. ;)

Screw a bunch of $150 jeans. Levi's 501's are 34.95 at Sears and chicks dig 'em. At least the chicks I date do. The rest of the article was pretty right on... except that i do need a black leather couch.

Stay on topic PUNKS!!

It's not about the lamp. It's about making her feel comfortable in your house. The vast majority of chicks have lamps on their bedside tables. If you have one too, she won't notice, but it'll make her think of you as more domestic.
If you bring her coffee in the morning, she'll see it as a sweet gesture. She will not be thinking about the price of your coffee maker. Though the price is a little over the top. You'd do just as well to get one of those coffee presses, and grind your beans yourself...
As for the clothes, that's BS. Wear clothes that express your personality. But the thing about how your jeans should fit is true. The ass of your pants around your knees expresses nothing but poor taste. If I found out that my date had spent over $100 (Canadian) on shoes, I'd be turned off. Then again, I'm a commie.

Very true...course, the only shoes I have that I spent less than $100 on are my combat boots (issued by the military), my running shoes (although they were close to $85 - get what you pay for here), and my soccer sandals (Because who's gonna pay $100 for those?...lol)...

I have a number of pairs of boots that cost well over $100...when it comes to dress shoes, there's a big difference between $50 and $300...quality of construction, the quality of the leather, etc...

Smart golddiggers look for men who don't spend all their money of shoes. ;)

Yeah, I was going to point that out, I have better things to spend my money on than footwear. Like chloroform! :eek: :D

Smart golddiggers look for men who don't spend all their money of shoes. ;)But if they're stingy when it comes to shoes, what will they be like on dates? :D

But if they're stingy when it comes to shoes, what will they be like on dates? :D

Exactly...

That list makes me feel pretty good about myself....i own five of the listed items, and I'm not even a single male.
I've got the espresso machine, the lamp, the leatherman on my keychain (which, when used in combination with a swiss army camper, is fantastically useful), the couch, and the nice underwear (though not the kind they recomend). w00t!

wait...is that stuff transferable to chicks?

anyhow, my boyfriend owns none of the listed items, and I find him rather attractive and dead sexy. He looks good in the clothes he has, and isn't so inept that he needs a swiffer to mop his floor. Anyone that spends money on designer jeans has a priority issue.

7. $150+ jeans
Why cough up that much dough when you can find a seemingly-fine pair for much less? Because designer denim does make a difference—and you can wear them everywhere from a dive bar to a five-star restaurant, if paired with the right shirt and suit jacket. Check out stores that carry Diesel, Evisu, Paper Denim & Cloth, or Seven. Since every pair of jeans fits differently, you will need to try a few on: Err on the side of too tight as opposed to too baggy, as jeans do stretch a bit as they are broken in. Choose a pair that isn't too trendy (warning signs include more than five pockets, garish stitching, and too much "distress," like rips or bleaching) unless you're willing to buy into next season's style as well.

8. $200+ dress shoes
Accept it: Girls are into footwear, and your feet will be one of the first things she looks at. Invest in quality black leather tie-ups — which will never go out of fashion and will match with most any jeans, pants or suit — to make a great first impression every time. If she knows her shoes, she'll be hoping to find you could afford a pair of Bruno Magli, Kenneth Cole, Steve Madden, or John Varvatos. Sure, they’re not cheap, but hey, it could be worse: We could be the ones in heels.

Ugh, sod that. Girls that are impressed by me spending inordinate amounts of money on apparel are not girls I want to date.

How insipid.

I went broke just looking at that list, i wish i had about 3 grand to throw around to impress the ladies, BUT I DON'T

Such a ****** thing to say.

(See how it's not okay for me to use the n-word in the negative sense? It's not okay for you to use "gay" in the negative either. Please stop doing it.)

Pwnd.

<snip>
> A well stocked bar, and beer in your fridge...

> Bigscreen TV with cable - for WWE, action movies, or some good old fashioned hardcore German porn...

> A samurai sword on a wall mount. Do I need to explain?

> A good, glass double-chambered bong...

> Pet: a snake, lizard or something else coldblooded. Otherwise a dog, the uglier the better. Bulldogs are ideal. Absolutely no cats.

> Framed pics of you and your mates drunk on booze-ups.

> A good BBQ.
YOU'RE THAT GUY FROM THE FOSTER'S AD!
"He who drinks Australian, thinks Australian."

Ugh, sod that. Girls that are impressed by me spending inordinate amounts of money on apparel are not girls I want to date.
Didn't they do a Kim Possible episode on number 7? THe same big company owned some super-designer store and a discount store. They both sold the same type of jeans with everything exactly alike except the super-designer version had a "Banana Republic" logo on it.

Rubbish. All you need is a place with four walls, a fridge with some beer in it, an old pizza that you can grab a slice of any time, a couple of pairs of undies to alternate with, a TV to provide entertainment, conversation AND light, a bed with sheets that are changed at LEAST once a month, and, of course, a pair of trainers that you've worn since high school. Any man with more, isn't a man my son!

Coffeemakers don't make coffee. People who know how to make coffee make coffee.


I wonder if he's ever changed a tire.


I hate these insipid urban values...

I don't personally own any of those things, although we have a comfortable couch and my dad has a flash coffee maker...

Why spend $150 on some jeans? People pay so much for those faded ones, but actually, buy some normal priced ones, wear them for while, and what'dya know, they're faded! Isn't it magic?

I was all prepared to completely trash this list, and still think some of the items on it are ridiculous. But some of them are actually good advice.

So, since I'm a man who used to be single and isn't any more, I'll take them in order, and comment on how useful they were (or could have been) for impressing my wife:

1. Unnecessary. As it happens, my wife doesn't drink coffee. (Neither do I).

2. A good idea. I had one. (Ironically, now that we're married, we don't have one. Go figure.)

3. This specific item isn't necessary, but the underlying idea is a good one: Keep your place clean.

4. Absolutely necessary.

5. Even more necessary. It doesn't have to be fancy - I just had ordinary Hanes briefs, but colored. Much better than plain white.

6. Since my wife carried a Swiss army knife with her (and so do I), this would have been a bit redundant. My wife is very practical and isn't an ignoramus about mechanical things.

7. Are you kidding? My wife would laugh at anyone who would waste $150 on a pair of jeans that you can get for $25.

8. All of my shoes combined don't cost $200.

9. I didn't have these, but if I'd known about them, I would have. My wife loves 300-count sheets, and insisted on getting a set for our bed.

10. Another item that is not necessary in itself, but that represents a good idea. Learn to cook, guys. I'm a good cook, and make a world-class lasagna.

So, if you ignore some of the shallower and more expensive items, it's not such a bad list after all. I'm amazed.

:p

Well if he was a gentlemen then he would have been a very nicely dressed gentlemen. Behavior is a big key to dating. Confident, cool and looking sharp is a potent tool in a man's dating life.

says who?

I don't see how being dressed in perversly expensive clothing would signify 'good behavior'. If anything just the opposite, maybe signify ignorance, or make light on the fact that he is interested in a date that could be won over by such shallow tactics, which I guess isn't me O.o

This list is a COMPLETE waste of time. The best girls I've EVER met had no interest in any of these things. If being a materialist, yuppie douchebag is a value to you , then good luck and hope you find happiness being what the "lists" tell you to be. Any decent woman will see through your schlock in twenty seconds. Trust me, they love you real.

I'd also like to point out the riot that would occur if ANY magazine or tripe-laden list like this were to suggest that WOMEN learn how to cook to please their MAN.

Fuck that. I hope she likes grilled cheese and George Foreman burgers.

there is one important factor that you are all overlooking that makes the entire list more relevant

WOMEN TALK TO EACH OTHER

so if you work in an office complex and you wear great $200 shoes, women talk about it. if you are wearing the best $150 jeans on casual friday women notice and will talk about it. (yeah if youre in albuquerque they will be speculating whether or not youre gay)

if you get a woman back to your place for some great sex, she WILL tell everyone that your place was filthy, that the only thing in your fridge that wasnt rotted was the beer, that you dont even have a LAMP in your bedroom and that your sheets were so scratchy that she had to be on top.

she WILL let everyone know that you have one of those cool italian espresso machines and that when she needed some help with something mechanical that you could fix it with your freaking KEY RING!

the next woman you ask out from your circle will already know if you are worth bothering with. if you have made a good impression on "the girls" shes accepting. if you are known around the office as a badly dressed slob who lives in a cave, she's probably going to give it a pass (unless the sex was REALLY good with the original woman)

I think this missed the most basic points of attraction

-Keep yourself well groomed "Cut your fingernails, toenails, shave regularly, etc, etc"

-Wear cloths that match for the love of god.

-Be a gentlemen but don't go overboard.

And really, whats SEXY about a man who can cook? The man, or the cooking? Let's think about Gothmog in Lord of the Rings. You know, the warty orc general dude. Imagine that he can cook pasta. Is he any sexier? No. I rest my case.
:eek:

:D
I am laughing...so... hard...

I don't personally own any of those things, although we have a comfortable couch and my dad has a flash coffee maker...You don't have any underwear? :D

ur an asshole if u think a womens job is to sit around the house and cook and do chores im a guy and i cook my father also cooks almost every meal that doesn't make him any less of a man i think u are just some loser who's stuck in the past i mean my mom has very high job running a very large company called CMS she just got promoted acctually no man in her office can do what she does so rethink what u said!

For the love of God people, would it kill you to insert a period every once in a while? Whenever I see a post written like this, I almost always immediately ignore anything the post says, because frankly, it makes you look like an ignorant fool. Now, I'd be more than happy to hear what you have to say, and it looks like you do make a good point, but take more time to write your posts. People will pay more attention to you that way.

You don't have any underwear? :D

Freedom is what the US is all about, isn't it?

$200 shoes, are you insane???

meh... my dress shoes cost $350 (AU) - they have lasted 8 years now without issue, although i do need to start considering replacing the soles. And they arnt my most expensive shoes (that goes to my OHS approved Catapiller steelcap boots... at $450 a pair) Other than the leatherman which is a waste of time (Swiss army knife in the pocket),the couch (which i cant afford yet) the jeans (which i dont wear) and the coffee maker (which i dont drink) and the swiffer thing which i hadnt heard of before (broom/mop do here (timber floors only) i have all on that list already... (ok so not much i guess... but i do think it is a sensible list, disregarding the brand names...)

oh and as i wear formal pants rather than jeans, they cost about that anyway to be good ones...

The other item i would have to add to the list as essential is a good iron/ironing board...

well?

Here's a female perspective on it...

1. A top-notch coffee/espresso maker
Looks good, tastes cr@p.
2. A lamp in your bedroom
Fair enough, I thought everybody had one anyway...
3. Swiffer Sweeper + Swiffer Cloths + Swiffer Wet Cloths
Not neccessarily, just keep the house clean. I'm not picky about cleaning implaments.
4. A comfortable couch
See no2.
5. Nice underwear
Yes, very important.
6. A key-ring that can fix, cut, and open anything
And that's meant to impress women how? Not cool.
7. $150+ jeans
Yeah, well if you want to get a really shallow woman, go for it. I would assume someone with that much money to waste needs a hobby. And a life.
8. $200+ dress shoes
See above, I don't look at a guy's shoes anyway.
9. 300-thread-count cotton sheets
Sheets are sheets. Whatever. If they're clean, they'll do. I'm not gonna quiz anyone on the thread count. I didn't even know there was such thing as a thread count til I read this.
10. The Joy of Cooking
Men are expected to be rubbish cooks. Why go against convention when it means all that extra effort? Plus having only one cook in the house means more eating out at restaurants = good thing.

People who believe in this list all need one thing: a personality.

oh to cover for my above statement the shoes were purchased for job interviews they just do double duty... and Job people do look at that sort of stuff... (same reason i own a single $1000 suit, $120 tie $100 shirt... dont want to miss the job because the other candidate was better dressed :-) )

well?There's only three, and if I said what they were... :D

I'd also like to point out the riot that would occur if ANY magazine or tripe-laden list like this were to suggest that WOMEN learn how to cook to please their MAN.

Fuck that. I hope she likes grilled cheese and George Foreman burgers.
LMFAO - you sir, are a legend! :D

I think this missed the most basic points of attraction

-Keep yourself well groomed "Cut your fingernails, toenails, shave regularly, etc, etc"
..and how about those of us with beards?

Originally Posted by New Fubaria
<snip>
> A well stocked bar, and beer in your fridge...

> Bigscreen TV with cable - for WWE, action movies, or some good old fashioned hardcore German porn...

> A samurai sword on a wall mount. Do I need to explain?

> A good, glass double-chambered bong...

> Pet: a snake, lizard or something else coldblooded. Otherwise a dog, the uglier the better. Bulldogs are ideal. Absolutely no cats.

> Framed pics of you and your mates drunk on booze-ups.

> A good BBQ.YOU'RE THAT GUY FROM THE FOSTER'S AD!
"He who drinks Australian, thinks Australian."
LOL - almost...more of a Carlton Draught or Coopers Pale man myself...:p

if this hasnt been said before...a case of condoms.

YUCK!! God forbid a man learn how to cook spaghetti, fried chicken, or any other dishes except bachelor food! :rolleyes:

This is in response to the grilled cheese and forman trashy burgers.

I think for me, it comes down to this: The kind of girl I'm interested is the kind that doesn't have to work hard to impress me, and that I don't have to work hard to impress.

1. A top-notch coffee/espresso maker
Pfft. I bought one for 5 euros and it works perfectly

2. A lamp in your bedroom
Well yah. How else would I get to my bed drunk?

3. Swiffer Sweeper + Swiffer Cloths + Swiffer Wet Cloths
Feck off corporate whores. I got clothes laying all over. They'll do fine

4. A comfortable couch
Oh yeah

5. Nice underwear
Well they fit nicely and there's almost no holes

6. A key-ring that can fix, cut, and open anything
It's called hands. I have those

7. $150+ jeans
FUCK NO! I can buy 5 pairs AT LEAST for that money. No fucking way would I do that

8. $200+ dress shoes
FUUUUUCK NO!

9. 300-thread-count cotton sheets
Who's counting?

10. The Joy of Cooking
I need a book to cook? Pffft.


Conclusion: MSN, girls in general and/or the writer of the article are corporate whores

if this hasnt been said before...a case of condoms.
Good thinking!

Except for numbers 7 and 8, I have them. Those two are a fucking waste of $350. I'd rather buy an Xbox 360.

Yep, I get get a crapload of ammo for that price.

LP-I agree on the $150.00 jeans. I dont think I have ever paid more than $29.00 a pair. Levis are fine-fit good, look good, feel good.

I have the fancy coffee machine someone gave me as a gift-I would never have bought it for myself. It does make good coffee and all the noise impresses people when I make cappucino. Then I get to clean the freaking thing.

All the crap on the list is no substitute for confidence, intelligence and basic,regular hygiene.

A swiffer? You have to be fucking kidding me. Hire a sexy maid service and kill two birds with one stone...

To number 7: I think my 50 € (60$) Jeans (levis) look fucking good (and so said my ex: "sexy backside"). And sometimes even ones for 30€ are acceptable.
And I#Ve heard that jeans are much cheaper in america.

Despite your commie status, you being of female persuasion and supportive of my essential point, is something I appreciate.GOOD GOD NO!!! What have I done??? :p

http://msn.match.com/msn/article.aspx?articleid=4319&TrackingID=516311&BannerID=544657&menuid=7 This is taken from MSN. But seriously guys, this is legit. I couldnt agree more with the clothes. I did this when I got divorced when I was alot younger. It absolutely makes a very huge difference. You can turn from 0 into hero with the right clothes. Also the hair, which they fail to mention. Any more tips from single guys on what works or for that matter single women. Also if you need give age specific advice please indicate.
Hm, let's go down the list:

1. Nice coffee maker so you can blow off your one-night-stand in a more polite manner. Well, if you feel like sleeping with the kind of worthless females who are willing to accept a cup of coffee and a shove out the door...yeah, you probably should at least make it a nice cup of coffee.

2. Lamp that will make those skittish womenfolk more likely to put out, by dimming the harsh lights that display the bodies that years of systematic objectification and body-fixation has made them ashamed of. I've got a cheaper solution: try talking to females, and helping them to feel attractive enough that they don't need to hide in the dark. You can save that lamp money to use on gas for the penis-shaped car that you probably own...not that I'm implying you're compensating...

3. Swiffer, to de-gunk your crib and kill that fuzzy stuff under the couch that is beginning to develop opposable thumbs. If I were a guy, I would be insulted by the stereotype that males are somehow innately incapable of cleaning themselves. Pigs can do it. Monkeys can do it. Are you really interested in defending the notion that men can't? Do you really want people to think that a man who's old enough to date isn't old enough to know how to avoid squatting in his own filth, or that such a man would be happy to squat in his filth and he's only cleaning up his act as an effort to please the womenfolk?

4. A nice couch that's not black leather. What the hell is wrong with black leather? And why should guys have to spend tons for a nice sofa? A woman who will decide whether she's putting out based on the quality of a man's decor is a low creature indeed, and one whose standards make her a questionable target for any romantic plans. Just make sure your stuff isn't filthy or too ratty, and that's fine. If you match your furniture you get bonus points. If you match your curtains to your furniture, she's probably going to wonder if you are gay (another sad male-created stereotype, sorry guys).

5. Non-rancid ass coverage. Here it is again, that insulting "all men are helplessly filthy infants" thing. Yes, grown men need to be told that wearing dirty, torn undies is not a good plan. Grown men can't dress themselves, see, and they certainly would never think to own boxers that don't have skid marks and gaping holes. But, for the sake of the dainty womenfolk, perhaps we can convince men to bathe and change their boxers.

6. A multi-tool keychain, which will automatically make your McGuyver. Another money-wasting suggestion. You will impress women much more if you develop actual handy skills, as opposed to just buying some flashy gizmo that will let you brush your teeth while fixing her watch. Women aren't as captivated by shiney things as this column would have you believe.

7. Expensive pants. Because it's impossible for your ass to look good in anything that didn't cost at least $150. All I can say is that if I ever found out a guy blew $150 on his jeans I would laugh at him. What a waste. If you can't look good in $30 jeans, hit the gym.

8. Expensive shoes, which will help us to promote the idea that women are shoe-obsessed, thus driving up shoe sales and saving our straggling economy. You should buy decent shoes because they will give you better arch support and help you avoid joint and back problems later in life. If your career requires it, owning an expensive pair of shoes may be a good call, and having something spiffy to dress up in for nights on the town can be quite handy. But if you think you can cut a check for some loafers and it will get you play...well, women are only willing to overlook so much stupidity, even in a guy with really nice shoes.

9. Clean, nice sheets. Can't bitch about that one, though I don't know why somebody would intentionally buy UNcomfortable sheets for themselves. 300-thread count is the minimum for quality, really, since anything less will be crappy and prone to ripping. You spend 30% of your life sleeping, so why spend all that time on nasty-ass sheets?

10. The Joy of Cooking, so you can get booty by not burning her breakfast cereal. Again, they try to make this all about getting play. You should learn to cook even if you are totally celebate, because it's healthier, more economical, and impresses EVERYBODY. Plus, lots of women (myself included) are totally turned off by the Emeril fad that seems to be sweeping through the male population, so it might not serve you well to go down that road right now. Though an Iron Chef impression never hurts...(oh Chairman Kaga, I'll wait for you forever...)

So out of 10 items, I would say that the average man might want to own 5-6 of these. Of course, I would say that if you're a man who doesn't yet own clean underwear, bedsheets, a lamp, or the means to clean your apartment, then you probably should take care of those errands before you hit the dating scene.

If a woman would blow me off because I don't have a lamp on my nightstand and can't make Starbucks coffee in my apartment... I'm not sure she's the one, ya know?

If it makes you feel any better, I'm a woman, I don't drink coffee, and I don't even have a nightstand, let alone a lamp.

Designer jeans and $200 shoes only tell me you are willing to spend a lot of money on yourself and like to support the consumer economy. Whoop de doo.

But I gotta say, a clean and tidy home and nice sheets go a long way in my books. And speaking of books, it's better to have them than not.

if this hasnt been said before...a case of condoms.A case???
Maybe you meant a box?
If not:
>best "Joey" voice< How you doin'?
:fluffle:

But I gotta say, a clean and tidy home and nice sheets go a long way in my books. And speaking of books, it's better to have them than not.BOOKS! YES! I've got my own 20 volume encyclopedia... Does that count? :D

more important than books is bookcases.... i have lots of books in boxes cause i dont have anywhere else to store them... Stupid no holes in walls policy...

I agree with some of the things on the list. I hate overhead lights and a comfy couch is always a plus. Nice underwear? As long as it's clean, it doesn't really matter. The multi-functional keyring is a good idea, but I carry one myself :D Dating someone who knows how to cook is a bonus. Haha, and now that I think about it, clean floors and soft sheets are also good. Ok, what does that leave? Oh yeah, who cares about good coffee and expensive clothes. I agree with some of the other posters - down with metrosexuals.

http://msn.match.com/msn/article.aspx?articleid=4319&TrackingID=516311&BannerID=544657&menuid=7 This is taken from MSN. But seriously guys, this is legit. I couldnt agree more with the clothes. I did this when I got divorced when I was alot younger. It absolutely makes a very huge difference. You can turn from 0 into hero with the right clothes. Also the hair, which they fail to mention. Any more tips from single guys on what works or for that matter single women. Also if you need give age specific advice please indicate.

The more you try to impress a woman the less likely you are to succeed.

Why would you want a woman for whom these things would make a difference?

The more you try to impress a woman the less likely you are to succeed.

Why would you want a woman for whom these things would make a difference?


I dont-I'm only interested in one that will help me burn through that case of condoms-or at least more condoms than my post count.

Actually- birth control isnt an issue anymore-I havent used a condom in years.

The more you try to impress a woman the less likely you are to succeed.

Why would you want a woman for whom these things would make a difference?


Well really its the first impression bozzy. The rest is up to your personality and character.

Trust me in saying that alot of women like a guy well dressed. Has nothing to do with being materialistic or shallow. It is ingrained in the majority of women. I see it on a weekly basis. I have also been around a few years more than most on this post to personally realise this fact. So just speaking from experience.

Designer jeans and $200 shoes only tell me you are willing to spend a lot of money on yourself and like to support the consumer economy. Whoop de doo.


Ah, good, there are some out there. :p

*snip snip*

That was marvelous. :)

Such a ****** thing to say.
What an absolutely fass thing to say.

*moons you*

BOOKS! YES! I've got my own 20 volume encyclopedia... Does that count? :D

It's a good start. :)

well?

There are only two things on that list, really; a bed (doesn't even have to be comfortable), and a fridge with some beer in it. We're easy to figure out, us guys, because we're halfway to being sane :D.

The ten shits to the ten things every guy should own

1: Bull shit
2: No Shit
3: No Shit
4: No Shit
5: Bull shit, you don't need any
6: No Shit
7: Bull Shit
8: Bull Shit
9: Bull Shit
10: No Shit

Articles like this just perpetuate the disgusting materialism that is already all too present in the western world.

damn right!

:D LOL-Yes guys that would impress me!

1: Anybody with their own apartment should have a coffee maker. Even if you keep it under the counter until you need it. As for expresso? Bah! How the hell would I explain to a woman that I have a high-priced expresso machine and hate coffee? *eyeballs spin around*

2: How the hell do you go through life without a freakin' lamp?!?

3: Women like filth, don't they? :p j/k. I love my Eureeka floor steamer. It's the best. :)

4: I'm a futon kind of guy.

5: No two pairs of underwear I own are exactly the same. It's part of my charm. :)

6: Real men carry Swiss Army Knives. :)

7: Bah! Written by someone who doesn't understand the purpose of jeans. But then again, it seems that fewer and fewer people understand the purpose of jeans nowadays. SOmetimes in the mall I see in some window or other, pre-faded, pre-stressed, pre-ripped, pre-filthy jeans and I shake my head at the sad state of affairs. The REAL purpose of jeans is to tell a story. Jeans are a real man's boy scout badge sash. WHere you've been, what you've done and how much fun you have had is told in your jeans. So be a real man and buy a brand new dark-blue pair of Levis and MAKE THEM YOURS! Dammit!

8: I semi-agree with this. Men need a decent pair of dress shoes. But I wouldn't trust any woman who can tell brand and price just by looking at them. *bleah*

9: Kitchen Table, baby! :D

10: I agree completely. My cooking and my sense of humor are the two reasons I'm married today. :)

What every single guy should own.


Give me a break. As a man with with a women it's not all of the stuff you have or wear. it's how you precieve yourself and how you go about dating. You can live a in a box on a street and have all that. (Yes you might have to use someone else's plug in for the coffee/espresso maker,lamp and get arrested for theft but you have it. Does it mean she's not going to full in love with you. NO. It just means you have some issues to work out. Here a perfect example. I was liviing in an apartment with no electric in the middle of winter And I met a women that I've been with four years now. So where was my coffee/espresso maker,lamp,Swiffer Sweeper + Swiffer Cloths + Swiffer Wet Cloths,A comfortable couch,Nice underwear,A key-ring that can fix, cut, and open anything,$150+ jeans,$200+ dress shoes,300-thread-count cotton sheets,The Joy of Cooking. Will i had all that and still do. But I didn't spend all that kind of money and I freeball it and I have tools to fix stuff and what's wrong with a mop doesn't anyone know how to use them. And cooking I feel for them that don't know how to cook. We are working my issues with getting married now. Go figure. So if there are poeple out there that are buying all this stuff because they think it's going to get them a women/man. Then best of luck to you. Becuase if you think of yourself badly and you think badly of yourself with all that stuff. then there's no change. Prayers with you all with good and bad feeling about yourself.

I think 10 is justified - it certainly doesn't hurt to be able to cook. I want to learn myself anyway (currently, packet stuff is the go!).

I can, however, do a very nice pizza.

10: I agree completely. My cooking and my sense of humor are the two reasons I'm married today. :)
As opposed to some sort of asylum?
;)

7: Bah! Written by someone who doesn't understand the purpose of jeans. But then again, it seems that fewer and fewer people understand the purpose of jeans nowadays. SOmetimes in the mall I see in some window or other, pre-faded, pre-stressed, pre-ripped, pre-filthy jeans and I shake my head at the sad state of affairs. The REAL purpose of jeans is to tell a story. Jeans are a real man's boy scout badge sash. WHere you've been, what you've done and how much fun you have had is told in your jeans. So be a real man and buy a brand new dark-blue pair of Levis and MAKE THEM YOURS! Dammit!
yeah! piss, puke and otherwise stain your jeans to your hearts content dudes! :p


ok, the list seems pretty wank and contrived to me, but


1. A top-notch coffee/espresso maker
i don't like coffee, though i do have many types of tea and can make them without the aid of some shitty machine thank you very much

2. A lamp in your bedroom
at the last count there were three lamps in here (admittedly none with frilly, flouncy, fabric covers, but meh...), as well as four candles and the beautiful glow of two TFT computer monitors :P
(computer glow > any lamp)

3. Swiffer Sweeper + Swiffer Cloths + Swiffer Wet Cloths
yeah, cleanlines... um, well... *jumps to the next point*
the room is clean, but messy. how does that count?

4. A comfortable couch
futon here - comfy and not black leather. i would however like to get this really nice brown and black leather sofa they have down at john lewis...

5. Nice underwear
boxers! hooray!

6. A key-ring that can fix, cut, and open anything
this just sounds ridiculous to me. "make her love you by being a handy inanimate tool that is occasionally useful to her hum-drum daily activities"... whatever :rolleyes: :p

7. $150+ jeans
too poor, dislike fashon labels, and only really own one or two pairs of jeans nowadays anyway. and if i bought more, they'd be cheaper, baggier, and more interesting than the latest... whatever [kinda petered out there]
plus what LG said! :D

8. $200+ dress shoes
rofl fuck off :p

9. 300-thread-count cotton sheets
hmm good idea that. didn't really know bedsheets really came in anything more fancy than the plain ol' cotton/polyester affair

10. The Joy of Cooking
well i love to cook, i'm relatively good (though my range is limited at the mo) and am thinking about going to some kind of catering college... so at least i get 1 out of 10 :p
(even if i don't actually own that stupid book)

11. currently i am living with my parents again... the #1 major-ultra turn off... hence none of these apply to me anyway :P

Personally, I don't care what a guy has. OK, so I'm only a naive, little 19 year old, but most of the guys I've gone out with haven't had half of those things, and I still went out with them anyway. They had qualities that I believe complimented mine, and that's what made them attractive.

Well, I'm a poor student currently dating a guy whose parents own a house worth £2.2 million. I have one wardrobe. He has five. I have three pairs of shoes. He has sixteen. I have £25 jeans. He has £350 jeans.

Think about it though: when you're naked, does any of this shit matter?

Any man who thinks he needs that $4000 worth of shit to get a date or second date is probably wasting his time. He should just date jeans or sofas and skip the obviously unneccesary women.

If they were already there, you can't really say the sheets made much of a difference.

Incidentally, if anyone's looking for amazingly comfortable sheets at a much cheaper price, I have one word: Beech.

Gotta disagree. :)
That's like saying getting drunk cheap wine (Night Train, Mad Dog 20/20, whatever...) is the same as a buzz from a fine chianti... it's not getting to the trip, it's the trip itself.
Did the sheets get here there? Of course not.
Would they bring her back alone? Probably not.
Was it just a little more comfortable and agreeable? Ayep. :D

Gotta disagree. :)
That's like saying getting drunk cheap wine (Night Train, Mad Dog 20/20, whatever...) is the same as a buzz from a fine chianti... it's not getting to the trip, it's the trip itself.
Did the sheets get here there? Of course not.
Would they bring her back alone? Probably not.
Was it just a little more comfortable and agreeable? Ayep. :D

And they're damn comfortable even when there's no "her" there with you...

As opposed to some sort of asylum?
;)

They say marriage is an institution too. :p

http://msn.match.com/msn/article.aspx?articleid=4319&TrackingID=516311&BannerID=544657&menuid=7 This is taken from MSN. But seriously guys, this is legit. I couldnt agree more with the clothes. I did this when I got divorced when I was alot younger. It absolutely makes a very huge difference. You can turn from 0 into hero with the right clothes. Also the hair, which they fail to mention. Any more tips from single guys on what works or for that matter single women. Also if you need give age specific advice please indicate.

I got #4,#5,#10 and none of the others. Any woman who wants you cause you have money RUN from cause they are the worst breed of human on the planet. Those women who are of that breed and who read this note that I could buy those things if I wanted to with no impact on my bank account but I have better things to do than waste my money on materialistic things (ie big travel fan here) :)

For the record dressing well is important of course for self esteem etc. That means you buy quality stuff of course, but quality does NOT have to mean expensive if you know where to shop and what distinguishes quality on different items

And they're damn comfortable even when there's no "her" there with you...

Exactly!
(plus, polyester sheets make me break out...)

lets seee....

#1... nope, don't drink coffee or esspresso... so that's a waste of money...

#2... Got one... two in fact, and not those lousy lava lamps either.

#3... Swifter stuff... yep, but not necessary... 90% of my floor is carpeted. Even the kitchen and bathroom.

#4... nope, no room in my apartment for one. unless you count my futon bed... that makes a very comfortable couch.

#5... Nice Underwear... yep. nice and white. I listen to my momma when she insists I wear Clean underwear. :D

#6... All purpose tool... leatherman - check, Swift army Knife - Check. mini Screwdriver kit... Check. Duct tape... damn.

#7 and #8... yeah right... nope.

#9... Oh yeah... ;)

#10... he he he... I can Cook... boy can I cook... and some of it's edible too :D

Tellin ya, get satin sheets...


No traction and they make me sweat while sleeping. Cotton (or flannel in colder seasons) are good for lovin' and very comfy. :)

I have no idea as to whether anyone has beat me to this because I don't want to read the last 11 pages to find out, but how about this deal: 10 things women should never expect a single man to own unless he is filthy rich or has a little dick.

1. A top-notch coffee/espresso maker.

You want Starbucks? Go to Starbucks. Bitch. In fact, suck my dick, and I'll go to Starbucks for you. I'm just nice like that.

2. A lamp in your bedroom.

Come on, do you really want us to see what our drunk asses took home last night before you've even got your make-up on?

3. Swiffer Sweeper + Swiffer Cloths + Swiffer Wet Cloths.

Pop your teeth out, I'll do more than vacuum the carpet. Otherwise, no.

4. An uncomfortable couch.

Of course our couch is going to be comfortable. Only gay guys have uncomfortable couches, and that's only to save up for comfortable tables to bend over.

5. Nice underwear.

It's underwear. If you see it, it won't be on for long, anyway.

6. A key-ring that can't fix, cut, and open anything.

Why shouldn't you expect us not to have this? Because if something can't be fixed, cut or opened by a key (or a credit card), it's not worth opening.

7. $150+ jeans.

Fuck you. If you actually think a straight guy on an average income is going to have this, you're an idiot, and you need to lay off the bong.

8. $200+ dress shoes.

Fuck you. If you actually think a straight guy on an average income is going to have this, you're an idiot, and you need to lay off the bong.

9. 300-thread-count cotton sheets.

Oh, give me a fucking break. They're sheets. If you're bitching about how comfortable my sheets are, you're too high-maintainance.

10. The Joy of Cooking.

That's what you're here for.

1. A top-notch coffee/espresso maker.

I don't like coffee, so fuck that.

2. A lamp in your bedroom.

I'll put whatever I fucking want in my bedroom, and that'd most likely be a record player.

3. Swiffer Sweeper + Swiffer Cloths + Swiffer Wet Cloths.

Really, huh? I'll clean my kitchen floor with good old paper towels and spray, thank you very much.

4. An uncomfortable couch.

The fuck? Who the hell buys an uncomfortable couch? My couch is going to be plush and huge.

5. Nice underwear.

I've been going commando since age 5.

6. A key-ring that can't fix, cut, and open anything.

...

7. $150+ jeans.

How about $6.50 jeans from the bargain bin. They feel better, fade when you wash them, and the knees rip. Loser.

8. $200+ dress shoes.

$20 Reebok Classics. Dumbass.

9. 300-thread-count cotton sheets.

Eh? I'll sleep sheetless, thanks.

10. The Joy of Cooking.

I know how to cook, and I don't need some prissy cook book telling me what fancey (ooh, look at that --- I spelled it with an E!) pants "dishes" to make for "occasions". I eat good food that fills me up (and makes a nice splash in the toilet just hours after I consume it), so bugger off.

So much hostility towards that list. Jesus.

I'm sure he wouldn't approve either. =)

Well, I'm a poor student currently dating a guy whose parents own a house worth £2.2 million. I have one wardrobe. He has five. I have three pairs of shoes. He has sixteen. I have £25 jeans. He has £350 jeans.

Think about it though: when you're naked, does any of this shit matter?


LOL! What guy can tell ANYONE the appraised value of his dates fathers home! Let alone the value of her bluejeans or number of pairs of shoes she owns.

Moneygrubber! :)