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And "liberals" versus "conservatives." The whole thing is a stupid game. It's done basically for the same reason that you don't have more than 2 teams in football. The average spectator can't properly root for a team. Rooting for your team is what it's all about.

Republicans are not really conservative.

Democrats are not really liberal.

There are more than two sides, as well, but most people are content to pigeon-hole themselves into either/or. And then they can bash the other side. I won't name names, but some of you on this forum seem to do nothing but that. How many times do you see a thread or post about the "liberal" mindset or the supposed behaviors of all "conservatives," or the pumped-up naivete of one Republican/Democrat championing their side while doing their best to malign the "enemy?"

It just makes me sick, it really does.

/rant

SB you could say anything on this board and have someone label you one group or another. It is something that cant hardly be avoided. I have been called both on this board. I find it funny at times but thats just how it is. It is easier to not like someone if they are associated with an ideal that you look down on. Then they can bash you and not feel bad about it. People will just classify you in the "them" catagory if they dont agree with your opinion.

And "liberals" versus "conservatives." The whole thing is a stupid game. It's done basically for the same reason that you don't have more than 2 teams in football. The average spectator can't properly root for a team. Rooting for your team is what it's all about.

Republicans are not really conservative.

Democrats are not really liberal.

There are more than two sides, as well, but most people are content to pigeon-hole themselves into either/or. And then they can bash the other side. I won't name names, but some of you on this forum seem to do nothing but that. How many times do you see a thread or post about the "liberal" mindset or the supposed behaviors of all "conservatives," or the pumped-up naivete of one Republican/Democrat championing their side while doing their best to malign the "enemy?"

It just makes me sick, it really does.

/rant

Join the club. I had to learn this the hard way. I was a once a young republican with who was highly devoted to the party. It's a whole lot of back stabbers whoi are ready to turn on you for any political advantage they can find. I would imagine that the exact same goes for democrats.

I agree. I doubt that when it comes righ down to it few people belive in EVERY thing their "side" belives in, but they still get into agrue ments about it because they want to show their side is right. When some one starts argueing for the side they don't belive in, that is when things get fucked up.

Tell me about it.


The rabid all or nothing rivalry has almost over run every single problem either side is trying to deal with. The focus is totally shifted from the issue at hand, that needs to be addressed, dealt with and resolved, to an all out bull shit festival of why one side is evil and the other side is lying.

The two opposing views arent checking and balancing anymore. They are skull-fucking the rest of us to death-we are left with bigger problems, no solutions and a worthless pearl necklace.

Yes! We need something innovative to save America from this inefficient game play! (American government is so primative, it was made how it is for a time when people didn't even have telephones and had difficulty contacting eachother! o.o this is the 'information age'! We should find a *new* way to govern the people so that it is more suitable...)

I never understood how America manages with just two parties anyway... There doesn't seem to be much of a spectrum there

I'm sick of it too, considering that I don't fit into or especially like the ideas associated with any of the given "groups" of people listed. Of course, I have been called all of them in my time on the forum LOL.

Its all good and fine for all of us to be sick of it. I am too. But what can we really do about it? Both parties have a death grip and nothing short of armed force could ever changed that. So basically this is useless complaining. Is there really any way for us to change anything in our life times? Like it or not a vast majority is soundly glued to their party like a 90 year old stroke patient to his life support. No amount of mere talk will ever change that. It's too comfortable to pick one side, close your eyes, and then go through life without ever thinking about it again.

Libertarianism is the way forward!! :fluffle:

But what can we really do about it? Both parties have a death grip and nothing short of armed force could ever changed that.
Changing things is easy, figuring out exactly what they should be changed into.. and convincing others are the hard parts. (in comparison the latter is much easier)

I never understood how America manages with just two parties anyway... There doesn't seem to be much of a spectrum there

There aren't only two parties, there are just two main parties.

There are two political parties in the US that have the potential to put a person into a significant public office. In other words, the democrats and the republicans make up the only real parties. As for me, I checked 'not a party member' on my voter registration card. I'll vote based on who I disagree with less because I can't possibly foresee any candidates for senate or president that I would really want to vote for.

There aren't only two parties, there are just two main parties.

Has there ever been more than two parties at a time in government? I mean, I know that it hasn't always been the Republicans and Democrats in Congress and Senate, but it has always only been two at once, right?

What about Independents? Do Independents ever win seats, or does everyone always have party backing?

Do elected officials ever cross the floor to join the other party or a third party or to sit as independents?

If you look at the initial policies for which “Liberals” and modern “Conservatives” are named, they were libertarians. The problem is, they both became distorted. Now you have one bunch of rich guys and another bunch of rich guys. There are some small differences between individuals and individual administrations, but not much.

The Republic of the American Democracy has earned some measure of stability as a result of only having a few big parties. Democracy is by its nature fickle, as fickle as the intelligence of the least common denominator, which is of course very low. When parties are small, it is too easy for one party to get over the others and do away with them, which destroys democracy and leads to fascism, which is short lived but destructive. Of course, there is also a sort of stagnation which occurs from too much stability. Wealth and power consolidate and lead back from capitalism to colonialism and then to the kind of caste system that creates monarchies and dynasties, but these also tend to vanish after a few generations when people become lazy.

We are around that kind of state now in America. Two parties which each seem to agree in at least keeping blue bloods in power, giving birth to dynasties. The dynasties themselves I expect to be short lived, but hope the system can survive without them.

America seems intent on importing poverty from its south. Skilled people who are likely to be appreciative and patriotic must jump through impossible hoops to move here, millions of my own people for example were turned away, they invented cell phones, designed the modern windows operating system and the guy who designed the first nuclear submarine is in their country now. On the other hand, stupid socialist countries that have no intention of forming viable economic systems and hate America can send all of their poor people here without meeting any standards. They just want “Aztlan” back, even though they lost it in a war they started back when it was just a worthless desert. I guess they want it now that something here is worth taking. They might get it, but they will destroy the Greatest Civilization since Rome in the process. This is the age of hordes, when large numbers of people who do not value the lives of people, seek better lives through taking, instead of making and value quantity of quality. In a horde, the members of how no individual value or rights, such people can only reject such values as civilization, hygiene or education.

SB you could say anything on this board and have someone label you one group or another. It is something that cant hardly be avoided. I have been called both on this board. I find it funny at times but thats just how it is. It is easier to not like someone if they are associated with an ideal that you look down on. Then they can bash you and not feel bad about it. People will just classify you in the "them" catagory if they dont agree with your opinion.

testing your hypothesis:

"McDonald's restaurants have glass windows"

there, I just said something.

hehe

yea people need 2 realize that not just republicans are backstabbers anyone in politics is a back stabber i dont care if your green liberal conservatist,republican or democrat if your invopled in politics your a backstabber(green lol that only has like 400 people in it)

I'm amused by Republicans vs Democrats.

The funniest thing is that the supporters don't even know what each party stands for. They imagine that the ideologies of the most partisan supporters are the party platforms. It's especially true of the Democrats. Many people imagine that they are socialist liberals, because many of their supporters are; but in fact they are strongly capitalist and conservative.

There aren't only two parties, there are just two main parties.

And a system that makes sure that no other party ever gets to participate in governing the country...

testing your hypothesis:
"McDonald's restaurants have glass windows"
there, I just said something.
hehe

You know, call me reckless, call me quick to judge, but -

- you're one of "them" aren't you?
:eek:

testing your hypothesis:

"McDonald's restaurants have glass windows"

there, I just said something.

hehe

FUCKING COMMIE BASTARD!

I have a feeling that there is nothing really politcal about the way 'Left vs Right' threads degenerate into childish squables. People generally just want to argue with one another, insult other people, and have a load of like minded morons tag along for the ride.

Leftist: "Pro-Choice is the only way to go. A woman's body is her own."
Rightist: "You're condoning murder! Abortion takes away lives that have the potential to become something."
Leftist #2: "But you're condoning overpopulation! Do you want the world population to reach 10 billion by 2010? We'll all starve!"
Rightist #2: "What about abstaining from sex? Are you no better than an animal, and can't control yourself?"
Leftist #3: "Are you calling Liberals animals, you gun-toting redneck?"
Rightist #4: "Are you calling Republican's rednecks, you tree-hugging hippy?"
Leftist #'s 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, etc: "Coporate whores!"
Rightist #'s 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, etc: "Commie pinkos!"

And on, and on, and on, and on.......

I'm amused by Republicans vs Democrats.

The funniest thing is that the supporters don't even know what each party stands for. They imagine that the ideologies of the most partisan supporters are the party platforms. It's especially true of the Democrats. Many people imagine that they are socialist liberals, because many of their supporters are; but in fact they are strongly capitalist and conservative.

No. The democrats are probably center-libertarian, but your everyday average Joe democrat is probably a center-rightist.

There was a funny sketch on MADtv that perfectly described their differences: nothing. There's a democrat and republican debatinbg, using the same points and counter-points, they're just rewording them. Classic.

Santa Barbara, what makes you the voice that we should listen to? We may debate all we wish and argue about Republican vs. Democrat all we wish. You are in no position to tell us what's what. :gundge:

Like I said in another thread, I sometimes wish we could just kill off 90% of the voting population and 100% of the politicians and start over again.

The gun smiley makes it more effective.

I'm amused by Republicans vs Democrats.

The funniest thing is that the supporters don't even know what each party stands for. They imagine that the ideologies of the most partisan supporters are the party platforms. It's especially true of the Democrats. Many people imagine that they are socialist liberals, because many of their supporters are; but in fact they are strongly capitalist and conservative.

right... American dems and repubs seem very different compared to each other, but when you consider the political compass/extremes, they're actually quite similar... at least on many issues.

like... we squabble over a 5% tax difference... which makes republicans fascists and democrats communists to both sides' detractors.

FUCKING COMMIE BASTARD!

HITLER-BOOT-LICKING-FASCIST!

hehe

right... American dems and repubs seem very different compared to each other, but when you consider the political compass/extremes, they're actually quite similar... at least on many issues.

like... we squabble over a 5% tax difference... which makes republicans fascists and democrats communists to both sides' detractors.
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Similarly, some conservatives don't want gay marriage or abortion to be legal, and that means they're the Taliban. :rolleyes:

You know, call me reckless, call me quick to judge, but -

- you're one of "them" aren't you?
:eek:


yeah, you got me... i'm an alien.

HITLER-BOOT-LICKING-FASCIST!

hehe

SOCIALIST-LOVING SCUM OF THE EARTH! NASTY-PASTY MARXIST! FRIEND OF STALIN!

What would happen if we all rebeled against voting? Can the American people abstain? ...maybe it sounds like something highly unlikely, but what would happen if NO ONE voted?

What would happen if we all rebeled against voting? Can the American people abstain? ...maybe it sounds like something highly unlikely, but what would happen if NO ONE voted?

Then Nicaragua would take the opportunity to fly over in space rockets and take over Phoenix.

SOCIALIST-LOVING SCUM OF THE EARTH! NASTY-PASTY MARXIST! FRIEND OF STALIN!


AMEN! :D