NationStates Jolt Archive

I have responded on Page Three.



In light of the responses, i decided to clean up my article so you can all read and debate with me or each other about its effectiveness.


first off, we'll become a police state. second, we'll moblize the military and start tearing though places like Camden and detriot...searching for drugs and to clean the area up. We'll form what i call "Terror squads" and anyone who resists will be killed, as an example. In the event of a riot, we will have troops on standby armed with flamethrowers, to scare off or incinerate the rioting crowd.

After forcibly cleaning up the drug infested, gang places, which will mostly be accomplished by expecting many people to resist and be killed in the process, we will state a law that anyone found with drugs will first be arrested and the second offense will be murdered.

Next, we will enforce a stricter law on traffic and speeding in excess. We will state that if you speed, on your second offense you will lose your car to the state. If you drive drunk and are caught, you will lose your car and conpensate for any accidents.

we will have a more militaristic school system, no private schools. Uniforms will be enforced and strict order.

next the goverment will take any factories or companies over that are unable to abide by safety regulations or have gone bank rupt.

and if we are in a war, there will be no protesting it.

First warning will be an armed gaurd telling them to go home.

second will be a riot squad, consisting of submachine guns and flamethrowers appearing on the scene.

and if it continues, they will turn on the crowd and kill them.


(ive added more)

we'll repocess factories and put goverment workers in them, manucafuring ammo or stripping the cars we repocess. also we'll burn the bodies of all the people who died for heat, in the various factories for a couple weeks.

and if you guys like the traffic, i was thinking, like you know, helicopters that would take off for people that break the law.

and instead of CHASING the fellon, the helicopters would just open fire on the car with their gattling turrents or maybe fire a rocket off, if its high profile.

of course, many may die in this...but its nessicary.

also, with senators...ill assassinate the ones i dont like, feel threatened by, feel as if they are not good for the community, will change too many polices to the public...

i will balantly assassinate them and not worry about any of it hitting the press because i will censor the newspapers.

and of course, rioting, well...you all know.

so i will forbid, Privately that all newspapers can not say negative things about the goverment. Any journalists that do wil be privately murdered in their own homes and then their homes wil be repocessed and we'll jsut tell people they work for the goverment now, since most people will end up doing it anyway.

we'll get most of the money from all the materials we are gaining and selling/ exporting to various countries, while buying as well.

if we need more money, we'll make war and slaughter everyone in other countries, small out of the way ones, ransack their rainforests...you know.

anyway back to my idea before. Pro goverment newspapers will be everywhere. Nothing else is allowed. none of that "ALIENS ARE BORN FROM MY BABY." stuff, becuase we will just arrest them and give them physce evaluations which they will pay for and if they are found with too many disorders, we will kill them. They will also be fined for writing articles of extreme nature, without any proof.

(answering questions.)

Tear gas and nightsticks will not work because they do not implement the fear that flamethrowers and death do.

i will not be assassinated because, i will scarafice my own life for this and live in an underground area, and deal out orders with my own councils from there, designing new assassinations and maybe going out in disguise. I will probably always be wearing a mask in any staged public appearences. as most of my police force will probably have face masks too.

My tax base will continue on all items as usual. Only i will gain more money from repocessing and selling houses of people that have been killed and cars, along with the workforce that are payed on goverment salery. Also with inmates who will be paid nothing until eventual release or killed for not working, no alternative.

people will continue working in the same fashion as they do now, with or without inmates, just that managers will have to report to goverment officals now, with slackers being warned, first, second then threatened and then they can either find a new job or be killed right there, for not working in their designated job.

Wellfare will only get you by on a designated amount of weeks, if the goverment does not employ you and no where else will, in any part of the nation, or you are simply not qualified or unable to do any form of job, you will be killed.

when we invade a foreign nation, we wont occupy it, we will simply kill everyone we see and take what we need. The chemicals, not used for killing the condemned prisonors will be used here, if nessicary. we will not use foreign people to work for us, we will simply slaughter them.

I expect the people to continue on as they are, with a poster and by teaching kids at a young age that, "If you follow the law, you will prosper", basically stating that if you obey, you will live. Theres enough freedom here to invent and create, for fashion and music scenes, just not any antigoverment music.

Not that much will be changed, just the death rate will increase and stricter penalites.


(adding more to answer more quetions here.)


The views of religion.

All religions will be seperated from state and the state shall not be affliated with any religious sects or groups. Any religious senators that are not the goverments puppets, will be asked to step down or will be assassinated. There is no room for religion in state and no laws shall be passed on or influenced by religious rules.

The Catholic Church can choose to allow homosexual marriage or not under their god, while the State will marry all Humans, homosexual or not.

No animals will be married, you will be arrested for asking and undergo physce evaluation which you will pay for. In the event that you cannot pay for it, we will repocess items of equal value, sell, and then pay for it with the money made on your sold valuables.

we will keep the current parties, but no president elections. You can also vote for a Goverment Extremisist party...And also, i can privately rig the ballots if i so choose. The elections are to convince the people that they are involved in the state and to which an extent they are. But if certain senators or congressmen are felt as dangerous or not helpful enough to the goverment, they will either be killed, asked to step down in private or the ballot will be rigged.

There will be no highly propoganda movies.

In fact, all actors and actress's will not recieve those hefty little bonus's. You will get a trailor because you need to be on location. You will not get any perks. This is the job you have chosen and you will be paid for that job only, perks are not a requirement. You will not recieve any special care. If you are caught doing drugs, you will be arrested or killed. You will be killed pubiclly if you resist. If you say any anti-goverment things on camara, it will be edited and you will be arrested and never get a high profile job like acting again. If you are not killed on the spot.

You are an actor, not a prince or any form of royalty. There is no royatly in this nation.

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Seeing the new Spanish Lesson thread, i have now decided to include my views on a language, here.


There will be one language of my society, English. No other langauges are permitted to be spoken or taught, Except for Latin in the medical world. All other documents will be translated as nessicary. Foriegn Languages will be taught to people who work at the borderline and custom agents, to special operative soldiers as well. No police forces will have to learn any foriegn langauges. If you get caught in an illegal activity or appoarched by a officer and can not understand him or he can not understand you, you will be arresetd and fined. If you can not pay, your valubles will be possessed for compensation. You come here, you will speak the language or you will pay dearly for it.

Our immigation program is also very selective. Certain countries we will accept, while we hold no racist views, we will not accept immigrants from countries we have bad relations with. Dieased immigrants will not be allowed in. Immigrants with mental problems will not be allowed in. If any illegal immigrants are located, they will be abducted and tortured for information to see if any others got in illegally as well, then killed. All people suspected of smuggling will be invesitaged and murdered accordingly.

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This nation will have a controlled birthing plan. Two children per family. Ever. If you lose in in child birth, you have to adopt. The baby will be inspected for any dieases or problems. If the diease will effect work later in life, Labor or an office job they will be killed. After your set limit of children are born, male and female, you will be sterlized. When you are married, your number is combined. If he or she comes with two children, you will be sterlized as well. There will be no special ed classes, either. Personally, i think this is cruel, but, this is what the society will go with.


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Obesity is a problem that the people can deal with. If it effects work and they are unable too, they will be killed. Otherwise, they must deal with it themselves.

Impending death should be motivation enough to stop eating so much.

They may also be inspected by a goverment offical and killed simply for eating in excess. Our nation needs food and people that eat in excess will be arrested. The second offense, they will be killed. If you are found hording food, you will be arrested, undergo a physce evaluation and be fined. If they are found to have too many mental problems, they will be killed. If they continue to horde after this, they will be killed.

If you are fat from Dining at eating establishments...then no action will be taken until work becomes a problem. The reason this is acceptable because in a restuarnt, their work is making food and you are simply a costumer.

i wouldnt invade other countries unless it was nesscary and if i did, id chose small quiet area's to invade without the countrys notice and elimanate cities that are cut off. If it is noticed, all connection to it will be denied. It will be more like private societys. Or controlled release of chemicals into them to kill everyone off and then loot the area.

Ronald McDonald will not be executed. like some have asked. Unless he becomes a figure for rebellion...but i doubt it.
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People can leave the country at any time but will have their house repossesed and any items Made in the society.


Furthermore, no death penalty. If your a murderer, we will just snap your neck or smash your head with rock. no wasting money on prison cells to hold people who are going to die. No wasting ammo or valuable chemicals which can be used for warfar or on the public. It just requires man power to throw a condemmed off a cliff. That is, if you are arrested and condemned to die. If you ever resist arrest, you will be shot to death.

Forced labor on most inmates too. Since there will be so many arrests, we will force them to work in factories, or die. If they choose to die, we'll burn them for heat for the factories.

(answering questions.)

Tear gas and nightsticks will not work because they do not implement the fear that flamethrowers and death do.

i will not be assassinated because, i will scarafice my own life for this and live in an underground area, and deal out orders with my own councils from there, designing new assassinations and maybe going out in disguise. I will probably always be wearing a mask in any staged public appearences. as most of my police force will probably have face masks too.

My tax base will continue on all items as usual. Only the goverment will gain more money from repocessing and selling houses of people that have been killed and cars, along with the workforce that are payed on goverment salery. Also with inmates who will be paid nothing until eventual release or killed for not working, no alternative.

people will continue working in the same fashion as they do now, with or without inmates, just that managers will have to report to goverment officals now, with slackers being warned, first, second then threatened and then they can either find a new job or be killed right there, for not working in their designated job.

Wellfare will only get you by on a designated amount of weeks, if the goverment does not employ you and no where else will, in any part of the nation, or you are simply not qualified or unable to do any form of job, you will be killed.

when we invade a foreign nation, we wont occupy it, we will simply kill everyone we see and take what we need. The chemicals, not used for killing the condemned prisonors will be used here, if nessicary. we will not use foreign people to work for us, we will simply slaughter them.

I expect the people to continue on as they are, with a poster and by teaching kids at a young age that, "If you follow the law, you will prosper", basically stating that if you obey, you will live. Theres enough freedom here to invent and create, for fashion and music scenes, just not any antigoverment music.

Not that much will be changed, just the death rate will increase and stricter penalites.


(adding more to answer more quetions here.)


The views of religion.

All religions will be seperated from state and the state shall not be affliated with any religious sects or groups. Any religious senators that are not the goverments puppets, will be asked to step down or will be assassinated. There is no room for religion in state and no laws shall be passed on or influenced by religious rules.

The Catholic Church or any other church for that matter can choose to allow homosexual marriage or not under their god, while the State will marry all Humans, homosexual or not.

No animals will be married, you will be arrested for asking and undergo physce evaluation which you will pay for. In the event that you cannot pay for it, we will repocess items of equal value, sell, and then pay for it with the money made on your sold valuables.

we will keep the current parties, but no president elections. You can also vote for a Goverment Extremisist party...And also, i can privately rig the ballots if i so choose. The elections are to convince the people that they are involved in the state and to which an extent they are. But if certain senators or congressmen are felt as dangerous or not helpful enough to the goverment, they will either be killed, asked to step down in private or the ballot will be rigged.

There will be no highly propoganda movies.

In fact, all actors and actress's will not recieve those hefty little bonus's. You will get a trailor because you need to be on location. You will not get any perks. This is the job you have chosen and you will be paid for that job only, perks are not a requirement. You will not recieve any special care. If you are caught doing drugs, you will be arrested or killed. You will be killed pubiclly if you resist. If you say any anti-goverment things on camara, it will be edited and you will be arrested and never get a high profile job like acting again. If you are not killed on the spot.

You are an actor, not a prince or any form of royalty. There is no royatly in this nation.

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Seeing the new Spanish Lesson thread, i have now decided to include my views on a language, here.


There will be one language of my society, English. No other langauges are permitted to be spoken or taught, Except for Latin in the medical world. All other documents will be translated as nessicary. Foriegn Languages will be taught to people who work at the borderline and custom agents, to special operative soldiers as well. No police forces will have to learn any foriegn langauges. If you get caught in an illegal activity or appoarched by a officer and can not understand him or he can not understand you, you will be arresetd and fined. If you can not pay, your valubles will be possessed for compensation.

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more will be added as questions arise.

I hope this is a joke.

Well, thats...interesting...

Tell me, have you by any chance read 1984, and Farenheit 951, or The Man in the Castle?

Or even Starship Troopers?

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Those books were written by people who viewed would inevitably have one side lose.

Also no real society has carried out the extremity that i have stated here.

Yes, I am serious and this is not a joke. Do not waste post space saying "HAHAHA HES KIDDING HAR HA RHARR LADIES AND GENTLEMAN THIS MAN IS A JOKER!"

unless you have funny jokes. Which case its okay. But id perfer series questions and debates.

Fascism...totalitarianism...dictatorship...

...How 'bout no? :p

I prefer reefer and free love!

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Hehe! *steals that one for later*

Those books were written by people who viewed would inevitably have one side lose.

Actually, Starship Troopers wasn't really...and you truly believe your society would not only survive and flourish? My dear sir, then you have truly misjudged human nature. It is in our very nature to rebel against oppression. Your fascist totalitarian society may exist for a short while, but it would inevitably be destroyed, either from the inside via a revolt by the oppressed, no matter how well you oppress them, or more likely from the outside world by far more humanitarian and concerned nations that would wish to end your corrupt, totalitarian and mass-murdering regime and hold you for crimes against humanity.

My dear sir, destruction was always inevitable.

Chaos theory wouldnt allow it.

But its not about that.

My societ would last, as an isolatist. This is not oppression. This is enforcing laws. You have much freedom but you must Obey The Laws. which are just stricter laws of waht we have now.

furthermore starship troopers was about a bunch of fucking bugs. I saw the movie though, not read the book...

The mad rantings of a narcissistic teenager are no basis for a system of government.

The basis for your society is that you are right and everyone else is wrong, so you're going to force everyone to do things your way. Now tell me, why would anyone else buy into this? Who's going to help you oppress everyone else? Because going around cackling madly and screaming "I'm an evil genius! Bow before me, lesser beings!" will get you nowhere. Do you have a large, well-equipped force of brainwashed minions to put this plan into effect? You'll need one. And what happens when your own flunkies realize that they're better off without you?

In short, if your plan somehow worked, your life expectancy would be drastically shortened, because someone smarter than you would eliminate you and take over in a matter of days. Still think it's a good idea?

:rolleyes:

Dishonrable scum, thank you for that pointless post.

I did say, only jokes that were actually funny.

This is a hypotheical Society in that if I had hte strong military backing.

i am not saying poeple are wrong, i am just enforcing stricter laws. And well following some ideals of Sparta and past goverments. Where do you all get on calling me oppressive? Im not that oppressive, I just enforce my laws and a progoverment attitude. You have your freedoms. You have your liqour, your concerts, your dress styles, your piercings.

one more time, give me more posts like the guy above you, not like dishonorable scum, hes the example of the lame jokes and the stuff that id rather not have here. Much like the first post i got so far....and trust me, i would find supporters.


My own personal view is that im content with america today. This is just a hypothical society i would live in.

I hope this is a joke.
I think it is. Look at his nation- it has no prisons. Most of the police state nutjobs here (and we have had a few who actually supported police states and monarchies) have had similar nations.

-edit- nevermind. OK, you are an idiot.

The first thing Mussolini did was go around to the schools, find out who the druggies were (by torturing other students) and kill them.

In 1943 the population of Italy dragged him through the streets and hung from a tree by his feet. Over 10000 people then lined up to punch him, kick him, piss on him, whatever they felt like. This went on for 3 straight days, people kept hitting him even after he had died.

i made the nation to continue RPing. no one probalby knwos my former nation, Jhenova but well...

anyway, my poltical views arnt really expressed in my nation, as id have prisons, just not prisons for the condemned.

Yes, I am serious and this is not a joke. Do not waste post space saying "HAHAHA HES KIDDING HAR HA RHARR LADIES AND GENTLEMAN THIS MAN IS A JOKER!"
Who wants to live under a military dictatorship. The ideal purpose of political systems should surely be to maximise the happiness of the maximum number of people. It should not be for the personal gain of the ruling class.

Whos personally gaining? I forgot to include my views on the Wealthy and poor state...

The wealthy will be taxed more then the poor and the tax will increase over time if the wealthy do not work. If they do not find or create their own buisness, they will lose everything to the goverment and be killed.

Also, homeless will be taken in under the goverment, to work for us as well, either as troops or in factories.

It would be benefical to many people, just as long as they Obey The Laws, thats the simple mindset here. There are no favorites, you obey or you die. You contribute.

With the elderly being enthusaized when they can no longer support themselves. Wellfare will take care of them, until they need to be medically looked after, at that point, we will have to let them die.

There will be also no graves. Your body will be incinerated, unless you are a convict, then it will be burned for heat.

Well, I think Mr. Stalin would appreciate most of the measures stated above. Communism on the side, it's a similar ways to enforce one-sided views of an ideal society, disregarding what PEOPLE might actually think about it... :rolleyes:

Freedom, Truth, and Justice are way too important to me to even consider your theories. Its just ridiculous to say that a police state ensures freedom and truth and justice better than a democracy does.

Those books were written by people who viewed would inevitably have one side lose.

Also no real society has carried out the extremity that i have stated here.

Yes, I am serious and this is not a joke. Do not waste post space saying "HAHAHA HES KIDDING HAR HA RHARR LADIES AND GENTLEMAN THIS MAN IS A JOKER!"

unless you have funny jokes. Which case its okay. But id perfer series questions and debates.

Here's a series of Serious Questions:

1) What if the military attacks you instead because of violations to the US Constitution?

2) What if the people themselves revolt against you?

3) What would you do if a state seceded from the Union?

These three questions are serious questions because this is precisely what will happen. I'd be the first one inline to kick you out of power too.

Here's a series of Serious Questions:

1) What if the military attacks you instead because of violations to the US Constitution?

2) What if the people themselves revolt against you?

3) What would you do if a state seceded from the Union?

These three questions are serious questions because this is precisely what will happen. I'd be the first one inline to kick you out of power too.

and I would be right in line with you. Form a militia and take your ass out!

1. If the military turned on the soceity, it would crumble.

2. if the people revolted, riot squads would burn them to death. If it was bad enough, attack helicopters would be used with the last possible assult, a chemical weapon.

3. If you leave the union, we will forcefully retake it. You can decide you are going to suceed but when we take you back and start a long series of polotical assassinations, murders and invesitagions, you will regret it.

If you defend too hard, we will chemically bomb major cities. Everyone will die, if they do not rejoin.

Also, Flatuence, shut yo fatass up, i never said it was better then demoracy, i just said this is my hypotheical society.

and...to Kemtaitoldian...

I feel that, after the first generation or so, i'd start to get major support. Hell, it happens in movies and books you are all seemingly using for evidence against my society surviving...

I can see the mass of people, just deciding to Obey the laws and Not speed anymore, not do illegal drugs, id have a controlled enviroment, to an extent.

of course, after i die, i can see the entire society falling apart.

but thats not the point, its suppose to be viewed as if this was happening and as if the Society DID accept it, like a fucking NOVEL people! get it together.

ask me questyions about my Form of goverment or something, i really liked Chiniodos questions.

Sounds pretty effecient. But very repressed as well. Pretty sad existence if your not one of the elite.

ANd on people leaving the country, being that repressed, I think most would. I think you should have closed borders.

Imo Hitler probably had similar plans. Not to equate you to Hitler because he's simply a racist. But it would be interesting to study such a society.

But like all these, it's usually a 'father knows best' society. THe only problem is, that sometimes the father doesn't always know whats best. Especially when there is corruption involved maybe not under your ruling, but the next or after.

Here's a series of Serious Questions:

1) What if the military attacks you instead because of violations to the US Constitution?
I'm not sticking up for this guy, but...

1. What makes you think that the Constitution is invincible? It can be suspended. It's just a bunch of laws.

This is ur idea of an ideal society? U hav got to be joking!!

In my society, the consitutions lawas are changed and edited to suit the current goverment.

Also, Greedy Pig, see...after my line of ruling, the society will crumble and die, i feel positve because of the military leaders all trying to scramble for leadership.

Maybe they can unite and elect one. But you never know...

Next, we will enforce a stricter law on traffic and speeding in excess. We will state that if you speed, on your second offense you will lose your car to the state. If you drive drunk and are caught, you will lose your car and conpensate for any accidents.

You must be a slow driver. I suggest that you, rather than penalize people who are in a hurry and must dodge slow traffic to get where they want to go... do like this:

Left lane -- fast drivers only (IE, at least 8 mph over the speed limit -- or applicable speeds depending on different driving culture in different places)

middle lane(s) -- medium-fast drivers (IE, 1-7 mph over the speed limit)

right lane(s) -- slow drivers (IE, speed limit or under)... fast and medium-fast drivers may use these lanes when exiting the freeway, of course.

The fact of the matter is, most people speed on interstates... many of them are speeding because they are in a hurry. All too often, these people are slowed down/frustrated by slow drivers clogging the left lane, which should be reserved for faster traffic.

Instead of putting cops out there as tax collectors to harrass people going about their business, send them after thieves, murderers, drug dealers, etc... have them deal with people who commit REAL crimes instead of ripping out the wallets of people who commit ABSTRACT crimes in which nobody is harmed.

and...to Kemtaitoldian...

I feel that, after the first generation or so, i'd start to get major support. Hell, it happens in movies and books you are all seemingly using for evidence against my society surviving...

Movies and books? No, what I'm telling you is that such societies (controlling and repressing people) EXIST and EXISTED, mostly because real-communism had the same exact position of knowing the best for people, not concerned about what people might actually think. If DDR, USSR and such crumbled, under the opression of Stasi, KGB and the likes (that were very mild compared to the extent of power you would give to your army), such a society would become quickly unbearable for the people...

And Hitler wasn't "just" a racist. He had a complete political and economic program based in Right-wing socialism, and had a similar view over repression effectiveness. Reading some History books sometimes helps.

1. If the military turned on the soceity, it would crumble.

2. if the people revolted, riot squads would burn them to death. If it was bad enough, attack helicopters would be used with the last possible assult, a chemical weapon.

3. If you leave the union, we will forcefully retake it. You can decide you are going to suceed but when we take you back and start a long series of polotical assassinations, murders and invesitagions, you will regret it.

If you defend too hard, we will chemically bomb major cities. Everyone will die, if they do not rejoin.

And now ladies and gentlemen, if we ever find the name of this person, make sure he isn't elected to office.

What if the military TURNS ON YOU and DISOBEYS your orders because they are unconstitutional?

Riot police can only do so much and some people are better armed than the police forces are. Also, what if the police doesn't break it up and instead joins it? You realize you are in violation of the United States Constitution if you try to order the police to do something. They aren't in your command. They are civilians and not in the military. They're oath is also to defend the population at all cost and if you try to turn it into a police state and kill people that get in your way? That is putting the population at risk and they won't stand for that. Now what?

Using gas to quell something? That'll piss off your neighbors. Do you really want an international incident like that? Not even I am that rash to do that.

As for forcibly retaking something, you might but what if there's an underground and all of a sudden, the political assassinations turn on you and your people began to get assassinated? Also, how are you going to decide who is a politician or not? Remember, we're talking about an insurgency of sorts. People learn to keep their heads down rather fast. And if you use gas to quel it, you'll have more problems on your hands than a simple secession. You really need to think things through before you do anything.

Flaming and inappropriate language. Please lock this thread.

1. If the military turned on the soceity, it would crumble.

2. if the people revolted, riot squads would burn them to death. If it was bad enough, attack helicopters would be used with the last possible assult, a chemical weapon.

3. If you leave the union, we will forcefully retake it. You can decide you are going to suceed but when we take you back and start a long series of polotical assassinations, murders and invesitagions, you will regret it.

If you defend too hard, we will chemically bomb major cities. Everyone will die, if they do not rejoin.

1. The military would never turn on society. Everyone in the military has a mother, and 99% of those mothers (at least, probably) are not in the military.

2. If the people revolted and riot squads wanted to stop the uprisings, they would be crushed by the people if ALL of the people revolted. There are something like 200,000,000 guns in the hands of American civilians. No military force in the world could overcome those numbers without nuclear weapons, and it'd be pretty stupid to nuke your own country.

3. Then don't employ slow-moving (or dumb) generals like George C. McClellan and David Halleck... make sure you have initiative-wielding generals like Grant and Sherman to lead you.

hehe

The following points are extremely well-made. The military would not just 'crumble' if it disobeyed. The US military is extremely powerful; any possible coup would most likely succeed against any militias or police forces you could wield.

Rebellion against your regime might be crushed in small numbers, but without the military on the streets, even heavily-armed and weaponed-up police can only do so much before being defeated. And that of course is assuming that the entire of your police force/militia/whatever actually stays loyal, which is unlikely to say the least.

The use of chem weapons on protesters? Should that happen, I can quite easily forsee some kind of outside interference, quite possibly from other countries; no isolationist stance would protect you from this.

Flaming and inappropriate language. Please lock this thread.

Why lock the thread for the few flamers, and ignore the rest of the thinking community?

Our forum is filled full of lefties. Are we that bigoted to ignore a thought from the far right without thoroughly examining it?

The use of chem weapons on protesters? Should that happen, I can quite easily forsee some kind of outside interference, quite possibly from other countries; no isolationist stance would protect you from this.

I think with properly controlled media. no outside force needs to know chemical weapons is used on civics. But Imo, Chemical.. well thats damn harsh, unless your trying to utterly eliminate entire rogue cities. Then that would be effective. Slaughter all man, women and children. Fastest and most effective way of dealing with threats, plus there wouldn't be any suicide bombers in the future because their all dead.

No one left alive to tell the tale, no one need to know what happened. Say it's Canada that sucked them up using a huge vacuum cleaner and turn the civilians to meat burgers. :D That would motivate the people to go into war and expand your dominance north.

Out of curiosity... What happens when your cheif bodyguard/second in command reckons he can do a better job than you and deposes you?

Fragland proposed an excellent idea! one that i was thinking of myself.

See? thinkers like him would be on my councils.

The investigators take care of the drug deal and that is much more harsh. I think my way of taking care of the drug problem will do fine, Frangle or frag...

Kemnetiold i never said hitler was just a racist, i think he was very ingenious, sometimes i spectulate that he never really hated the jews, just used them to help unite his own nation.

otherwise, shutup. your questions are stupid, in my opinion and if you arnt going to ask me anything worthwhile, just read the article.

Okay, the police will OF COURSE undergo a complete change Cornialous.

The consisution will be rewritten, i have stated this. They will become more shocktroopers THAT police instead of just being titled "Police" and will vaguey resemble the current cops we have today.

they will stand for that, they will be convicned its for the better, once the upper class follows, then the lower class will too as i start in on the wealthy. There will be no discrimination, everyone will die for the same laws broken.

you must also realize that none of this will appear in the papers or on TV and most people will never know riots occured. We'll encourage people to tell teh goverment who wants to rebel.

Poloticans will resemble the same polotical system we have today, if they suceed they will be Gassed out. People can assassinate the current poloticans all they want, there will always be more and the rebels will die as they attempt to kill. It would be quelled eventually as they got More and more hopeless.

Once again, MY GUN LAWS would only allow soliders to have them on hand. If you are found with a concealed weapon you will be shot as a threat. We will repossess all the weapons, bit by bit and close up gun stores. Hunting will be all that is allowed with Crossbows.

The military will turn on the society, look at china, look at the civil war. They will turn on a succeeded nation or die. The minority of rebelionous will be swamped by the Pro-goverment.

Lets move on.

Yes i am assuming that they will all be 100% loyal or at least loyal enough, without guns except obtained illegally, which could very well be found on, they will have nothing to fight with. And the amount of fire used, the burning flesh, the screaming pain will scare enough people to go back into their homes. All the terror tactic's will work, when helicopters begin to fire into a crowd and they see people engulfed in flame.

Of course they will be fairly warned...

Your probably right about an otuside inference if i used chemical weapons or even an aerosol cynaide, but they would need proof and no outside nation would have any look into my own, without satalites.

An Iron Curtain of sorts.

I really do liek Greey Pigs ideas because they are the kind of people I'd employ to help Crush any rebellion. There would be so much censoring that no one would really know what was happening outside their own cities and towns and a general sense of "live your lives and everythign will be fine" will be everywhere.

THEY HAVE THE FREEDOM TO LIVE, but breaking the laws will be HARSH reprocussions because theres no Reason to break them. You will obey and better the society or you will die.



More questions! And if people liek Greedy, Fragland and Cornilous would continue to at least somewhat support me and post arguments to the various people that try to combat whatever i am saying, we can have a full own debate or discussion!

Do they support you? I thought they were being objective. At first glance, your plan looks very strong, if utterly deplorable in my eyes but thats beyond the point. You have reckoned without the reasoning that if you push a people hard enough, they will snap, its happened all the time. Eventually your millitary wld revolt and as they are the onli ones with weapons (excluding police), who r u going 2 get 2 defend u and people will revolt, look at the amount of times you have said you will kill people for trival things like unemployment and obesity. Secondly how are you going to get a strong enough ecomony to run this, for one thing where will you get the resources if you have cut off interaction with the rest of the world. Eventually you wld collapse due to running out of money and resources. Lastly, this is a ersonal questions, if you werent in charge would you wld want to live here, honestly, i know i wldnt.

Do they support you? I thought they were being objective. At first glance, your plan looks very strong, if utterly deplorable in my eyes but thats beyond the point. You have reckoned without the reasoning that if you push a people hard enough, they will snap, its happened all the time. Eventually your millitary wld revolt and as they are the onli ones with weapons (excluding police), who r u going 2 get 2 defend u and people will revolt, look at the amount of times you have said you will kill people for trival things like unemployment and obesity. Secondly how are you going to get a strong enough ecomony to run this, for one thing where will you get the resources if you have cut off interaction with the rest of the world. Eventually you wld collapse due to running out of money and resources. Lastly, this is a ersonal questions, if you werent in charge would you wld want to live here, honestly, i know i wldnt.

yes, they support me. I will not push them that hard, i will just remove the liablities. If the military does revolt, the entire society will crumble. This society can not take an internal revolt on a Mass Scale. Of course iw ould place assassin captains within the ranks, to take out generals who are...too amibitous or against the cause. There wil be so many different invesitagtions to manage this...and we will hvae trading, just not open allow toursists or views into our state. When i say Isolation, I mean Iron Curtain, as in No one can see hte inside but we can trade.

Yes, i would wnat to live here. Its safe here, if i follow the rules and keep a fit standard of health, i can thrive here. I can listen to my music, that isnt Directly Anti Goverment like Anti Flag i suppose, thoug hi never read their lyrics...what matters is if the Fans view it as anti goverment.

I could still be teh same person, in this soicety, just safer.

I enjoy the amount of freedom i have now very much so. I would live in this society if America Today didnt exsist. Though i would like it if america had adopted some of the polices i state here.

Its a very Spartan Infleunced Society.

So how do you plan on actually setting up this society without people going Ides of March on your ass?

Do you actually think that people would think everything was peaceful? Word would get out. People would notice their friends and family in other cities disappearing, and no matter how hard you tried, you wouldn't be able to wipe out an entire city, someone would survive.

I'm not exactly sure what the ideal society for America would be. However a society for America that would pay Canada was it owes would be good solid positive step forward. :rolleyes:

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/08/23/canada.lumber.ap/index.html