NationStates Jolt Archive

Okay, so I was just kindda looking around the web, and decided to see if there was a site under the title www.bushrocks.com amusingly enough there is, but it was down due to it needing repairs... which I wish the whole country could do, because I kind of think we need it.

After this slight disapointment of not being able to hear their ideas of where the country is at, headed, and expected to be in the near future, I decided to look up "bush rocks" on google, just to see if I could find any good sites to talk with right wingers. However, I found something much more interesting, when this site came up ((hope I'm not braking any rules with posting,and degrading this site)).
http://www.cafepress.com/rightminded/362647
Now, I found this site quite funny, because it sells pro-Americain shirts, bibs and you guessed it ((or maybe you didn't, because you would need to be pretty twisted if you did)) DOG CLOTHING!

Now maybe it is just me, but nothing makes me feel more patriotic than seeing my dog running around in his "Passion of the Christ " sweater, stopping every once in a while to lick his testicals, or roll around in a good puddle of mud. It just makes me feel proud to be an Americain.

But the great spectical of this site does not end at Bush loving, Jew bashing (look at the "passion of the christ" shirt to see), and over all unacceptance, oh no! It gets better, just wait and see.

So we go looking through the site, and every once in a while there is a lable jumping out at us "MADE IN THE USA". Now this is great, not kidding, see this is what we need to see, people that claim they love America backing it up by supporting industries in the US, making jobs for the working man, this is a step in the right direction. Oh, but what is this? Upon further investigation, it turns out, ((by a rough estiment)) only about 10% of the things on that site acctually have that lable! Wow, so really, only about one tenth of that "all Americain" site is acctually Americain at all! :eek: Surprized?
Well perhapse you shouldn't be. After all the site has a complete section of "I'm proud to be a capitalist" mechindice. Now not to be bashing against capitalism... but I think it is kindda lame how such a site can be supported.

First they support America, "love your freedom". Then they support Jesus Christ, "love your naighbor". Then, they support capitalism. Now wait just a minute. Bare with me as I piece these ideas together.... "love your freedoms, and love your naighbor". Okay good so far... now lets add the 3rd.

"Love your freedoms....Love your naighbors.... unless of corse you can make your naighbors work all day making pro-Bush tee shirts, while making a dollar a day, then screw your naighbor, and love your freedoms for allowing you to do so."

Now, perhapse this seems radical, but it seems logical to me, and, those 3 ideas ((America, Jesus, and capitalism)) seem to be top values amoung many Americans, this site is just the best example of all three things coming together i have yet seen. Any thoughts?

wow, that was a long post. hard to understand.

i agree, btw, but it doesnt make it less hard to understand, is all.

"Perhapse" you should learn how to spell "perhaps."

Sorry guys, I was on a quick run through, I'm kindda short on time.
Maybe I will fix it up more later. But are there any comments on the acctual subject? Thanks for pointing out the "perhaspe" thing, don't know how i missed that.

1. get a freakin' dictionary
2. good point, but passion of the Christ isn't really a Jew bshing film it's just a depiction of those times and how things went down with Jesus
3. while the general public of america embrace the idea of capitalism it doesn't mean that all of america is capitalist
4. same point as abouve but in regard to religon, in the US you can find mosques, synagouges, Buddhist and Hindu temples, not just anglican (presbytarians to you yanqis) or catholic churches.

The USA is probably the least globally minded country (in general, and I do apologize to those who actually give a damn about others in the world and embrace other cultures rather than trying to assimilate them) and we have to cut them some slack, their at war, and loosing, the american public needs to have something to fall back on, even if it is some sense of patriotism.

No offense meant but I really needed to get that off my chest,

with thanks
Campus Armatae

"Perhapse" you should learn how to spell "perhaps."
"Perhaps" should should find something more productive to do with your time then nitpick strangers spelling.

Best rant I've read in awhile though, 'zana.

All ideals are like tools, unless used properly they can do more damage than good.

Capitalism is good, unless you make a mistake. I think capitalism is like a pneumatic drill and socialism is like a pair of bolt cutters. Capitalism is the only way to perform a certain task, but if you aren't strong enough to handle it you can't use it and you are better off with other tools, doing simpler tasks. Socialism is a simple way to undo a problem, but that's all it does, it doesn't create anything.

In general our economy/society/civilisation is ruled by institutions which work like: insitutions, whereby you pay tax, and it goes to the institution and you true a bunch of people to work properly; or coorporations, whereby people trade in a free market and compete and are encouraged by their own self interest to work properly. If the free market isn't maintained and people are denied freedom and opportunity, then both coorporations (capitalist) and institutions (socialist) will turn into despotism (fascism, communism respectively)

There are other ways of making people work properly, such as indoctrination (like the military or religious fanaticism) and survivalism (like hunter gatherers who must work for food). However these can pose greater problems.

A scientific fanaticism for instance might seem to work as people won't be tied down by one religious doctrine, but there is still the same space for scientific method to be corrupted and used by people to spread paranoia in order to gain personal power etc etc..

There are bad people and there always will.

hmmm

"Perhaps" should should find something more productive to do with your time then nitpick strangers spelling.

Best rant I've read in awhile though, 'zana.
Trust me, I've nothing better to do waiting these two days until I move into school.

And trust me also in the fact that this argument sits on weak legs, anyway.

people sell all kinds of nonesense, what, want me to look up some equally as liberal site and go apeshit on them? looks like your post was just an excuse to bash conservatives :rolleyes:

1. get a freakin' dictionary
2. good point, but passion of the Christ isn't really a Jew bshing film it's just a depiction of those times and how things went down with Jesus
3. while the general public of america embrace the idea of capitalism it doesn't mean that all of america is capitalist
4. same point as abouve but in regard to religon, in the US you can find mosques, synagouges, Buddhist and Hindu temples, not just anglican (presbytarians to you yanqis) or catholic churches.

(I have left it there...)
I've place grammatic mistakes in bold, spelling mistakes in italics & massive sentence fragments are underlined.

How many of those shirts actually sold? :p
Anyway, I agree, although the "I'm proud of being a Capitalist" stuff was like a dagger in my heart. But that's the way the world goes... *sigh*

1. get a freakin' dictionary
2. good point, but passion of the Christ isn't really a Jew bshing film it's just a depiction of those times and how things went down with Jesus


I don't seem like a bastard, but the first could be bent twords you as well... your english doesn't astound me. Also, I said go to the site to see what I ment by the 2nd. I don't think you did.

And as you said, "No offense meant but I really needed to get that off my chest".

Trust me, I've nothing better to do waiting these two days until I move into school.

And trust me also in the fact that this argument sits on weak legs, anyway.
What argument? It is a rant at best. Some people on this forum could do with lightening up once in awhile. Have you tried masterbation...?

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Basically :D

well, would those people making a dollar a day be better off without those jobs?

well, would those people making a dollar a day be better off without those jobs?
This is so wrong, but: Natural Selection...?

This is so wrong, but: Natural Selection...?

not even natural selection but growth - we used to be that poor industrial power, so did Japan and Germany as are emerging places like India and China

the dollar a day isn't forever, but if you take those jobs away and bring them back to America it will only make things worse

not even natural selection but growth - we used to be that poor industrial power, so did Japan and Germany as are emerging places like India and China

the dollar a day isn't forever, but if you take those jobs away and bring them back to America it will only make things worse
Or you could insist on buying clothes made where people are paid more reasonably.

Or you could insist on buying clothes made where people are paid more reasonably.

but then whats the advantage of making clothes in other countries? if people have to be paid American wages the clothes might as well be made in the US too

but then whats the advantage of making clothes in other countries? if people have to be paid American wages the clothes might as well be made in the US too
I didn't say the same wages. I said more reasonably. Which might be $5 a day.

I didn't say the same wages. I said more reasonably. Which might be $5 a day.

think about it, if the wages weren't reasonable they wouldn't work there

think about it, if the wages weren't reasonable they wouldn't work there
What? That is possibly the worst argument I've heard in the past five minutes. People work for unreasonable salaries all the time. Why? Because there is nowhere else they can get a job earning more, at the time. By buying clothes from compnaies that pay higher salaries you encrouage the success of these companies and increase demand. Thus increasing job placements and hopefully ending the cycle.

What? That is possibly the worst argument I've heard in the past five minutes. People work for unreasonable salaries all the time. Why? Because there is nowhere else they can get a job earning more, at the time.

but what is reasonable? clearly the wages are livable

By buying clothes from compnaies that pay higher salaries you encrouage the success of these companies and increase demand. Thus increasing job placements and hopefully ending the cycle.

but at the same time is dicourages companies from starting new factories overseas

but what is reasonable? clearly the wages are livableI beg to differ, on $1 a day families often have to give up their children and go without meals.
but at the same time is dicourages companies from starting new factories overseasIt discourages companies who wish to exploit workers, yes. But it encourages the companies we want to see opening overseas, the one's who pay wages that cover the basic needs of a family.

I beg to differ, on $1 a day families often have to give up their children and go without meals.

as I understand it most of those on $1 a day live off the land, not corperate pay

It discourages companies who wish to exploit workers, yes. But it encourages the companies we want to see opening overseas, the one's who pay wages that cover the basic needs of a family.

look, these people have their current employment - then a factory comes - if the factory pay is worse than what they've got now they don't work in the factory, if the factory pay is better than what they've got now it can only be a good thing

as I understand it most of those on $1 a day live off the land, not corperate pay I don't know anyone, in any country who would make a dollar a day on corporate pay. Besides we are clearly refering to factory workers only.

look, these people have their current employment - then a factory comes - if the factory pay is worse than what they've got now they don't work in the factory, if the factory pay is better than what they've got now it can only be a good thingIncorrect, these people are starving and they have an option to starve less. So they take it.

If offered work, people will do pretty much anything. I live in a civilised western society and have computer and internet access, yet I am still prepared to work a 72 hour shift for much less than minimum wage just because it adds up to something better.

The sad thing is, the people working in sweatshops should be paid more, but when you say that that is an option for them you are wrong. This is the only job opportunity they get. Boycotting goods isn't so effective either, it just means they'll get paid even less. Fair trade is the way to go for now, but it isn't an overall solution - there are always unscrupulous people who will take advantage of the weak.

Our countries went through phases of near slave labour and child labour at ridiculous hours for a pittiful pay. It's the nastiest part of building up an industrialised society, but is it inevitable?

If offered work, people will do pretty much anything. I live in a civilised western society and have computer and internet access, yet I am still prepared to work a 72 hour shift for much less than minimum wage just because it adds up to something better.

The sad thing is, the people working in sweatshops should be paid more, but when you say that that is an option for them you are wrong. This is the only job opportunity they get. Boycotting goods isn't so effective either, it just means they'll get paid even less. Fair trade is the way to go for now, but it isn't an overall solution - there are always unscrupulous people who will take advantage of the weak.

Our countries went through phases of near slave labour and child labour at ridiculous hours for a pittiful pay. It's the nastiest part of building up an industrialised society, but is it inevitable?So middle of the road... so beutiful...

If offered work, people will do pretty much anything. I live in a civilised western society and have computer and internet access, yet I am still prepared to work a 72 hour shift for much less than minimum wage just because it adds up to something better.

The sad thing is, the people working in sweatshops should be paid more, but when you say that that is an option for them you are wrong. This is the only job opportunity they get. Boycotting goods isn't so effective either, it just means they'll get paid even less. Fair trade is the way to go for now, but it isn't an overall solution - there are always unscrupulous people who will take advantage of the weak.

Our countries went through phases of near slave labour and child labour at ridiculous hours for a pittiful pay. It's the nastiest part of building up an industrialised society, but is it inevitable?

Agreed, and boycotting doesn't work because people in North America are not willing to pay more money for something just because the workers weren't exploited. I know I wouldn't. The only way it's going to get better is the way it is going right now. Wages have gone up in Mexico, thats why Factories moved to China, Now Chinese wages are going up so factories are moving to Southeast Asia and the South Pacific, Eventually those are going to go up too. We just have to give it time.