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the problem is USA double standards of morality.

The say the fight for freedom and democracy.

But idont now want the media in USA report but for us in Europe we see how USA help and suport dictatorship dis are the breeding ground Anti-American rhetoric.

For me and many people we se USA dont help peolpe becusue of thay want democracy. Thay only attack dictatorship how not is loyal whit the white house.

for example in iraq so long Saddam obeyed the white house USA dont want to attack Iraq.

Bin Ladin have USA suport in the beginings but when i dont obeyed USA no more he become a bad gay.

We can take more example Chile, USA overthrow democracy and made a fascist dictatorship.

Dis is dis annoy fact how made poeple angry on American.

USA have don good things to example in former Yugoslavian and when the help overtrow Hitlers dictatorship.

Like many things, that is just how it is. It's been American foreign policy even back with Marshell. The USA has one goal, to maintain its superiority in the world. We control as many smaller nations as possible and sure as hell those countries with oil. That's just American policy.

Another US-bashing thread. How fun.

Like many things, that is just how it is. It's been American foreign policy even back with Marshell. The USA has one goal, to maintain its superiority in the world. We control as many smaller nations as possible and sure as hell those countries with oil. That's just American policy.

The US acts in its own self-interests, just like every other nation on the planet.

Another US-bashing thread. How fun.

I know right...

Bin Ladin have USA suport in the beginings but when i dont obeyed USA no more he become a bad gay

That seems pretty logical to me... If you help somebody defend their home against an enemy, and then they turn on you and kill thousands of your civilians; it seems pretty just to hate them and attack them.

The US acts in its own self-interests, just like every other nation on the planet.

Precisely! And whatever is in the self-interest of the US - wether it be overthrowing a corrupt dictatorship or dismantling a communist nation - is just the way it is going to be. Human beings do what it takes to be superior as an instinct, because power is what everyone strives to have - wether it be through respect, money, good looks - it all leads to power. We want to maintain our power... simple!

What is hypocritical about US foreign policy is that you have Dubbya getting up making speeches saying how the terrorists hate America for its people's freedom, democracy, wealth etc, and how violence against the American people is so bad. Then the actions of the government are to:

a) curtail personal freedoms; stamp on freedom of speech by demanding edits to literature that is essentially speaking out against the government, take to eavesdropping on random civilians, searching, reading mail etc etc.

b) America is barely a democracy in the first place and then you have election rigging going on.

c) From what I can tell from my corner is that the majority of American citizens do not live in wealth, the economy is suffering from all these wars and industries are going under, the people barely have access to healthcare and millions live below the poverty line.

d) America is one the most violent nations in the world, they are in a perpetual state of war, they pick fights left right and centre (but only when they think they can win easily, they're often wrong) and hold the world to ransom under the threat of violence.

Yes America protects its own interesets, but at what cost? And most other developed countries make some attempt to protect the interests of those less fortunate. America jumps up and down on others, sticks its fingers in its ears and screams "nah-na-na-nah" followed by a slobbery raspberry.

I say a childish nation shouldn't be allowed to play with fire. The UN should take away their WMDs and sack Dubbya for being one of the worst things to happen to this planet, ever.

Bring on the Bush-bashing and anti-American sentiments! It's good to get it all off your chest once in a while!

IThat seems pretty logical to me... If you help somebody defend their home against an enemy, and then they turn on you and kill thousands of your civilians; it seems pretty just to hate them and attack them.

I agree with you 100%!

Don't attack us if you don't want a new golf course.

Well sure the US is in it for itself. I think most people object not to that but the fact that it pretends it is some great force of good in the world and acts selflessly. I dont judge the US for acting in its interests although i disagree with many of its decisions but it bugs me when people like Bush suggest thier actions are out of the good of the American heart.

Heh whats funny though is that aside from the ecconomic battle vs the USSR it seems most of the stuff the US does to promote its intersts comes back to bug them in a decade or two... they would probably be better off just chillin...

Curr... no that's the general problem with politicians and with Bush specifically.
It's quite funny actually that the German word for "double standard" (Doppelmoral) literally translates into "double moral".
I guess that explains the "Moral Superiority of the West"... :D

Anyway, the polarization of society and the downright lack of a proper middle-ground are the biggest problem America has.

We can take more example Chile, USA overthrow democracy and made a fascist dictatorship.
Yeah, but those two 9/11's are 28 years apart (7 terms of presidency...)

When you say “I”; don’t you mean him, Bin Ladin, as you say did have the support of the USA and most of the European government as well at a time and to point out what is an enemy of a state or to a country of any kind, someone who threatens that state or countries? Oh and by the way Saddam obeyed, when he wanted too, the UN not just the United States in fact he often disobeyed the rules laid on him by the UN and did what he wanted anyways. In terms of the US being a dictatorship how many times have you visited the US I doubt many times at all but you welcome that is the difference the US welcomes everybody even the terrorist that kill the people they don’t even know. I won’t deny that the US has made many mistakes but you name a country that is involved in the world political, finical, or whatever else they are involved in that has not made a mistake in the world. To be completely honest I shudder to think what would happen if someone like Saddam or Bin Ladin would do to people who he did not know just because oh we already know Saddam used chemical weapons on his own people, and Bin Ladin just used young adults as suicide airplanes to attack the USA, then he encourages suicide bombs in Iraq against the Iraqi people not just USA so that is a point for you to think about Sweden1974

Curr... no that's the general problem with politicians and with Bush specifically.
It's quite funny actually that the German word for "double standard" (Doppelmoral) literally translates into "double moral".
I guess that explains the "Moral Superiority of the West"... :D

Anyway, the polarization of society and the downright lack of a proper middle-ground are the biggest problem America has.

I wouldn't place it on Bush alone. It is the swing which gets people elected. You say one thing, you post-justify what you said, then you do something else. It's called American politics and only when Americans wise up to it will it ever change.

I know right...



That seems pretty logical to me... If you help somebody defend their home against an enemy, and then they turn on you and kill thousands of your civilians; it seems pretty just to hate them and attack them.

yes the explain war against Afganistan and the war agianst Bin Ladin.

But USA foreign policy more and that.

Yeah, but those two 9/11's are 28 years apart (7 terms of presidency...)
to take a more recently thing Uzbekistan is dictatorship and Saudi Arabia and Paktistan is country USA is best buddys whit.

to take a more recently thing Uzbekistan is dictatorship and Saudi Arabia and Paktistan is country USA is best buddys whit.However, they aren't responsible for bringing those governments to power. The US hasn't overthrown a democracy to instate a dictatorship in any country for a few terms...

When you say “I”; don’t you mean him, Bin Ladin, as you say did have the support of the USA and most of the European government as well at a time and to point out what is an enemy of a state or to a country of any kind, someone who threatens that state or countries? Oh and by the way Saddam obeyed, when he wanted too, the UN not just the United States in fact he often disobeyed the rules laid on him by the UN and did what he wanted anyways. In terms of the US being a dictatorship how many times have you visited the US I doubt many times at all but you welcome that is the difference the US welcomes everybody even the terrorist that kill the people they don’t even know. I won’t deny that the US has made many mistakes but you name a country that is involved in the world political, finical, or whatever else they are involved in that has not made a mistake in the world. To be completely honest I shudder to think what would happen if someone like Saddam or Bin Ladin would do to people who he did not know just because oh we already know Saddam used chemical weapons on his own people, and Bin Ladin just used young adults as suicide airplanes to attack the USA, then he encourages suicide bombs in Iraq against the Iraqi people not just USA so that is a point for you to think about Sweden1974



USA now Saddam used weapons on his own people thay stop UN resultion against Iraq becuse Saddam was loyal thay look away when he do genocide dis is dis double standards of morality i dont understand.

I agree with you 100%!

Don't attack us if you don't want a new golf course.

Bin ladin attack you but everybody you attack hve attack you.

In terms of the US being a dictatorship how many times have you visited the US I doubt many times at all but you welcome that is the difference the US welcomes everybody even the terrorist that kill the people they don’t even know.But not Chinese that stand on Capitol Hill for a while with two suitcases... :D

Am I the only one having trouble making heads or tails of what Sweden is saying?

:rolleyes:

Pointless thread.

Am I the only one having trouble making heads or tails of what Sweden is saying?

nope! To a point, I am as well.

Am I the only one having trouble making heads or tails of what Sweden is saying?

Knowing Swedes, it'll probably be about mooses. (meese?)

Am I the only one having trouble making heads or tails of what Sweden is saying?

More or less, yeah, me too. But I'm used to dealing with broken English, I do work in a Physics department at a university. He'll get better.

Knowing Swedes, it'll probably be about mooses. (meese?)


Moose is one f those words that is the same word in both singular and pleural forms.

Moose is one f those words that is the same word in both singular and pleural forms.

I'm glad to see this thread served a purpose after all.

Precisely! And whatever is in the self-interest of the US - wether it be overthrowing a democratically elected government or installing a ruthless dictatorship - is just the way it is going to be. Human beings do what it takes to be superior as an instinct, because power is what everyone strives to have - wether it be through respect, money, good looks - it all leads to power. We want to maintain our power... simple!

Fixed for historical accuracy. Governments that look after their own people tend not be obedient to US wishes when they want something for nothing.

the problem is USA double standards of morality.

The say the fight for freedom and democracy.

But idont now want the media in USA report but for us in Europe we see how USA help and suport dictatorship dis are the breeding ground Anti-American rhetoric.

For me and many people we se USA dont help peolpe becusue of thay want democracy. Thay only attack dictatorship how not is loyal whit the white house.

for example in iraq so long Saddam obeyed the white house USA dont want to attack Iraq.

Bin Ladin have USA suport in the beginings but when i dont obeyed USA no more he become a bad gay.

We can take more example Chile, USA overthrow democracy and made a fascist dictatorship.

Dis is dis annoy fact how made poeple angry on American.

USA have don good things to example in former Yugoslavian and when the help overtrow Hitlers dictatorship.



Don't worry. A vast majoity of U.S. citizens are coming around. Things WILL be different in the near future...

http://americanresearchgroup.com/economy/

Considering the economy is doing well... I have to ask who did those people poll.

Well Unabashed Greed? Why is it that the unemployment rate is down, the deficit is shrinking, and the employment numbers are going up? Not to mention that the GDP is also growing so.....

Considering the economy is doing well... I have to ask who did those people poll.

Well Unabashed Greed? Why is it that the unemployment rate is down, the deficit is shrinking, and the employment numbers are going up? Not to mention that the GDP is also growing so.....


Why not actually read the whole page? It's all there, but one needs to see past the red hue clouding their eyes first...

a) curtail personal freedoms; stamp on freedom of speech by demanding edits to literature that is essentially speaking out against the government, take to eavesdropping on random civilians, searching, reading mail etc etc.
While I don't like the Patriot act, it's not exactly as you describe it.

b) America is barely a democracy in the first place and then you have election rigging going on.
Besides the fact that there is no standing irrefutable evidence that such a situation ever did occur anywhere.

c) From what I can tell from my corner is that the majority of American citizens do not live in wealth, the economy is suffering from all these wars and industries are going under, the people barely have access to healthcare and millions live below the poverty line.
Neither do most of the American people live in poverty. Most Americans are Middle Class (shocker!) and they just live normal average everyday lives. The economy is consistently growing and the situation is improving. Some companies (note, not industries) are going under, while others are rising up to take their place. Natural Cycle. And from what I understand, the vast bulk of Americans do have access to healthcare. And a large portion of those who don't don't have it by choice.

d) America is one the most violent nations in the world, they are in a perpetual state of war, they pick fights left right and centre (but only when they think they can win easily, they're often wrong) and hold the world to ransom under the threat of violence.

Or maybe we're stuck in teh spot of the Global Hegemon. We have ourselves invested everywhere, so we get involved in more shit. It was the same thing with Great Britain when the sun never set on the British Empire. If you isolate yourself, you will never have a conflict, but as you interact with more people, you will have increasingly more conflicts. (And if you're looking for a violent nation, look towards Africa, the Middle East or Central Asia)

Why not actually read the whole page? It's all there, but one needs to see past the red hue clouding their eyes first...

HAHA!

I actually follow the news including the business and economic news. The economy is doing very well! However, the president doesn't have that much of an affect on the economy. The Feds do but not the PResident.

nope! To a point, I am as well.

Must resist oh-so-obvious crack....

Personally I think the problem is democracy itself
We constantly have new leaders every few years and because of that most of the time our foriegn relations will drop and fall because of this
For example one president don't remember his name liked China and actually helped it become Socialist but the moment he went out of office another guy came in who hated China
We in America just have to accept that we traded in freedom for stability and since we have new leaders every now and then its only natural we're very fickle when it comes to stuff like this

While I don't like the Patriot act, it's not exactly as you describe it.


Besides the fact that there is no standing irrefutable evidence that such a situation ever did occur anywhere.


Neither do most of the American people live in poverty. Most Americans are Middle Class (shocker!) and they just live normal average everyday lives. The economy is consistently growing and the situation is improving. Some companies (note, not industries) are going under, while others are rising up to take their place. Natural Cycle. And from what I understand, the vast bulk of Americans do have access to healthcare. And a large portion of those who don't don't have it by choice.


Or maybe we're stuck in teh spot of the Global Hegemon. We have ourselves invested everywhere, so we get involved in more shit. It was the same thing with Great Britain when the sun never set on the British Empire. If you isolate yourself, you will never have a conflict, but as you interact with more people, you will have increasingly more conflicts. (And if you're looking for a violent nation, look towards Africa, the Middle East or Central Asia)


Thank you for clearing up all of his misconceptions in a way other than blaming it all on Bush. Especially the so called election rigging. If you really think that George Bush rigged the election the Dems would never have let it go, rightfully so. They counted the votes; Bush won. Enough with the left-wing conspiracies that contain absolutely ZERO evidence.

Moose is one f those words that is the same word in both singular and pleural forms.Moose is also the one animal Europeans would mistakenly refer to as an Elk (at least in German, where "Moose" = "Elch")

That seems pretty logical to me... If you help somebody defend their home against an enemy, and then they turn on you and kill thousands of your civilians; it seems pretty just to hate them and attack them.

No.

Bin Laden is not an Afghan. He and his Arab militia had no business in Afghanistan.

By facilitating all the pan-islamists come together at one place, US practically kickstarted the modern salafi movement.

However, they aren't responsible for bringing those governments to power. The US hasn't overthrown a democracy to instate a dictatorship in any country for a few terms...

Not successfully, anyway.

Though of course there remains the question is if that's through a change in policy direction, or simply a lack of democratic targets with sufficient value.

What is hypocritical about US foreign policy is that you have Dubbya getting up making speeches saying how the terrorists hate America for its people's freedom, democracy, wealth etc, and how violence against the American people is so bad. Then the actions of the government are to:

a) curtail personal freedoms; stamp on freedom of speech by demanding edits to literature that is essentially speaking out against the government, take to eavesdropping on random civilians, searching, reading mail etc etc.

b) America is barely a democracy in the first place and then you have election rigging going on.

c) From what I can tell from my corner is that the majority of American citizens do not live in wealth, the economy is suffering from all these wars and industries are going under, the people barely have access to healthcare and millions live below the poverty line.

d) America is one the most violent nations in the world, they are in a perpetual state of war, they pick fights left right and centre (but only when they think they can win easily, they're often wrong) and hold the world to ransom under the threat of violence.

Yes America protects its own interesets, but at what cost? And most other developed countries make some attempt to protect the interests of those less fortunate. America jumps up and down on others, sticks its fingers in its ears and screams "nah-na-na-nah" followed by a slobbery raspberry.

I say a childish nation shouldn't be allowed to play with fire. The UN should take away their WMDs and sack Dubbya for being one of the worst things to happen to this planet, ever.

Bring on the Bush-bashing and anti-American sentiments! It's good to get it all off your chest once in a while!

You obviously don't know much then. Okay let me answer your questions here:

a) How is America taking away our freedom? It's funny how Europeans keep saying that American's are losing their rights when a majority of american's aren't. I live in America. Have I seen any of my rights being taken away? No. I find actually, myself having more rights. I could go outside right now and burn a US flag and the police or nobody would do anything against you. People may hate you but they won't send you to jail.

b) What!? How is the election rigged? Show me one example. And don't get it from extremist-left wing, communist site.

c) A majority of American's live better than other people in the world. Majority of american's have a living standard higher than other countries. I rarely see poor people (only 5 times in my entire life in America). I don't see industries failing. I don't know where you get your propangda. Also majority have healthcare and aren't in poverty. America has one of the lowest poverty rate in the world.

d) Really, prove it? You could say that about all countries. Don't tell me Europe didn't use to do that?

I should really start Anti-Europe threads and start making fun of europeans. But that would put me at a level next to these extremist Europeans ;)

Disclaimer: I didn't aim this at smart people in Europe or anywhere in the world that don't make up silly lies and go on making fun of other countries but have a cow when someone makes fun of their country.

I should really start Anti-Europe threads and start making fun of europeans. But that would put me at a level next to these extremist Europeans ;)

Let's do it anyway.