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When Adam and Eve ate the apple
they realised they were naked and were ashamed.

Does that mean it was always something shaming for them to be naked, but they just didn't know it.

If so does that mean God was kind of being a bit of a pervert?

So mr god, you enjoy watching naked people who don't know any better eh?

So mr god, you enjoy watching naked people who don't know any better eh?
Yes, why do you ask?

You know, who really cares? I mean, NSers are way too picky about a religion vs. atheism debate. Can't we give it a break?

When Adam and Eve ate the apple
they realised they were naked and were ashamed.

Does that mean it was always something shaming for them to be naked, but they just didn't know it.

If so does that mean God was kind of being a bit of a pervert?

So mr god, you enjoy watching naked people who don't know any better eh?



Yes, because we all know an eternal Being is susceptible to human lusts :rolleyes:

Yes, because we all know an eternal Being is susceptible to human lusts :rolleyes:
I am not! That's a darn dirty lie! You are so getting arse cancer for that one.... just wait 'till Buddha hear about this...

Yes, because we all know an eternal Being is susceptible to human lusts :rolleyes:

Someone had to knock up Mary.... :p

Someone had to knock up Mary.... :p
OMFG! Best... call...ev-er!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can I ad this to my sig?

You know, who really cares? I mean, NSers are way too picky about a religion vs. atheism debate. Can't we give it a break?

This isn't a religion vs atheism debate

OMFG! Best... call...ev-er!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can I ad this to my sig?


*bows*
Be my guest! :)

This isn't a religion vs atheism debate
More of a The Entire Christian Religion is full of perverts Vs The entire Christian Religion plus their cheif deity is a pervert...

Someone had to knock up Mary.... :p

Funny?? Hardly, I found that offensive.

Why did God put teenagers in charge of the World?

God: Remember dont eat from the tree of knowledge....
Eve: Um ok........
Adam: Dont tell me what to do! Your always telling me what to do......


Eve: Crunch...hey Adam want some apple?

Why did God put teenagers in charge of the World?

God: Remember dont eat from the tree of knowledge....
Eve: Um ok........
Adam: Dont tell me what to do! Your always telling me what to do......


Eve: Crunch...hey Adam want some apple?

Now THAT was funny. :D

More of a The Entire Christian Religion is full of perverts Vs The entire Christian Religion plus their cheif deity is a pervert...

They have junior deities now?

Funny?? Hardly, I found that offensive.

I think someone needs some Family Guy wisdom! :fluffle:

Bob: Outrageous, How dare he say such blasphemy. I've got to do something.
Man #1: Bob, there's nothing you can do.
Bob: Well, I guess I'll just have to develop a sense of humor.

First amendment's a bitch, huh? ;)

They have junior deities now?
Jeebaz!

They have junior deities now?Really? Can you intern for such a position?

I think someone needs some Family Guy wisdom! :fluffle:

Bob: Outrageous, How dare he say such blasphemy. I've got to do something.
Man #1: Bob, there's nothing you can do.
Bob: Well, I guess I'll just have to develop a sense of humor.

First amendment's a bitch, huh? ;)



And atheists wonder why they never get elected to office :p

I think someone needs some Family Guy wisdom! :fluffle:

Bob: Outrageous, How dare he say such blasphemy. I've got to do something.
Man #1: Bob, there's nothing you can do.
Bob: Well, I guess I'll just have to develop a sense of humor.

First amendment's a bitch, huh? ;)

I didn't say that you didn't have a right to say it, I was just responding to all the people that thought it was funny & saying that I personally thought it wasn't & that I personally thought it was offensive.(perhaps I should have quoted one of the reponses instead perhaps.) & anyway, just because I don't find your joke funny, doesn't in any way prove that I don't have a sense of humor.

And atheists wonder why they never get elected to office :p

Atheists get elected for office all the time.

They just tell the highly credulous ones that they are religious
and have high moral values.

The only trouble is that way you only ever elect the
the ones who take welfare from the poor and give it to the rich instead,
the ones who send your offspring off to fight in the type of war
they'd never have fought in themselves,
they will arrange for murder and torture but keep telling
you that they believe in
god so thats all okay
cos you only ever elect the dishonest atheists.

I didn't say that you didn't have a right to say it, I was just responding to all the people that thought it was funny & saying that I personally thought it wasn't & that I personally thought it wasn't funny.(perhaps I should have quoted one of the reponses instead perhaps.) & anyway, just because I don't find your joke funny, doesn't in any way prove that I don't have a sense of humor.

Okay okay. You don't find it funny, I'm okay with that. I knew when I posted it I would ruffle some Christian feathers. It was in fact my intention.

I was just messing around with you in the last post, btw. I have no idea whether or not you have a sense of humor.

We cool? :)

*bows*
Be my guest! :)
Voila!

Back to the point in hand

If being naked was wrong why didn't god arrange for them to be covered.

If it was right why did obtaining knowledge make them conclude that it was wrong.

And to extend this
what kind of Punishment is sex

can you imagine using that one on the average teenager.

If you don't do what I say you'll have to have sex,
quite often and for the rest of your life.

Back to the point in hand

If being naked was wrong why didn't god arrange for them to be covered.

If it was right why did obtaining knowledge make them conclude that it was wrong.

And to extend this
what kind of Punishment is sex

can you imagine using that one on the average teenager.

If you don't do what I say you'll have to have sex,
quite often and for the rest of your life.
Don't you know 1-3 people who try to intervein in a jacking get killed?

And atheists wonder why they never get elected to office :p

Not an Atheist. I have personal religious beliefs, but I do not subscribe to a mainstream religion. In fact I've pretty much ditched the Catholic belief structure I was raised into. I believe in a god of sorts, but my beliefs are a mix of Deist, Buddhist and Unitarian.

I just find I agree with Atheists quite often. Plus I can't really resist lambasting Christians.

Okay okay. You don't find it funny, I'm okay with that. I knew when I posted it I would ruffle some Christian feathers. It was in fact my intention.

I was just messing around with you in the last post, btw. I have no idea whether or not you have a sense of humor.

We cool? :)

Yeah sorry. I need more sleep, I get grouchier the less sleep I have.

4:00am is a bad time to get to bed :headbang:

Do you like Futurama, seeing as we are talking about cartoons??

Back to the point in hand

If being naked was wrong why didn't god arrange for them to be covered.

If it was right why did obtaining knowledge make them conclude that it was wrong.

And to extend this
what kind of Punishment is sex

can you imagine using that one on the average teenager.

If you don't do what I say you'll have to have sex,
quite often and for the rest of your life.



1. Nakedness itself is not sinful, it is the lust that arises from nakedness

2. They were incapable of lust, as their view on nudity was the same as a 2-yr-old's: They don't notice a difference.

Voila!

Excellent!

*proud to have been sig'd by two people on this forum* :D

Excellent!

*proud to have been sig'd by two people on this forum* :D



I hope he doesn't cry when he finds the shoe on the other foot one day ;)

1. Nakedness itself is not sinful, it is the lust that arises from nakedness

2. They were incapable of lust, as their view on nudity was the same as a 2-yr-old's: They don't notice a difference.

In that case does god lust? I mean he did bang Mary

In that case does god lust? I mean he did bang Mary



No, they're just saying that as a form of mockery. Oftentimes, fiction is funnier than the truth :)

Yeah sorry. I need more sleep, I get grouchier the less sleep I have.

4:00am is a bad time to get to bed :headbang:

Do you like Futurama, seeing as we are talking about cartoons??

Futurama, yea, I watch it from time to time. It's not bad. I'm more of a Family guy guy myself, in case it wasn't blatantly obvious. ;) Quite psyched about it being back on the air too.

Though with respect to the OP we should probably not hijack the thread talking about cartoons.

Oh, and welcome to the forums BTW. :)

1. Nakedness itself is not sinful, it is the lust that arises from nakedness

2. They were incapable of lust, as their view on nudity was the same as a 2-yr-old's: They don't notice a difference.


But on the whole people don't lust because they and someone else are naked.
Their lust encourages them to get naked.

And as far as the story goes, they didn't have sexual desire or any
sexual purpose for their genitalia until
after they had eaten the apple
when it was given to them as part of Gods punishment for them eating the apple.

So eating the apple didn't make them lust it just made them aware
that they should be ashamed for being naked.

The punishment that god visited on them when he realised they were
hiding from him because they now knew that nudity was shameful
was that they had to have the whole sexual reproduction thing.
Which always seemed a little harsher on women than men really what
with the giving birth being just that miniscule bit more painful than planting
the seed.

I hope he doesn't cry when he finds the shoe on the other foot one day ;)

Huh... me? :confused:

Shoe on the other foot? Like, me sig-ing you or something? Or me sig-ing Rotovia-? That wouldn't make me cry. After all it's not like you can make me sig you...

Unless I have no idea what you're talking about, which I conclude is the infinitely more plausible answer.

Hmm my take is god is a overharsh dad
He wants his kids to be pure and bans them from porno sites and learning the truth (aka the apples)
And when he finds out that their hormones have finally burst he kicks them out of his house and tells them to find a job

Huh... me? :confused:

Shoe on the other foot? Like, me sig-ing you or something? Or me sig-ing Rotovia-? That wouldn't make me cry. After all it's not like you can make me sig you...

Unless I have no idea what you're talking about, which I conclude is the infinitely more plausible answer.

I think he may have meant if the god guy took offense at you mentioning
the unmentionable and chose to punish you for it.

Maybe he will fall back on that first punishment, force you to have more sex.

My take on the whole apple thing is that the apples weren't really apples, thus their "realizations". The snake must have added some ingredients. I guess we all need some drug rehab thanks to our earliest ancestors. :p I guess the rule was:
As long as you don't eat these thingies, you'll be okay. Damn it, you ate it. I'm just going to make it so women go through the intence pain of child birth while I pump these men full of hormones, make them fight eachother, and have them have painful heart attacks(studies show that womens' heart attacks aren't the infamous chest pains) and die earlier than women. It's only sick to you because your brains are smaller than my pinky nail.

God an all perfect and knowing being creates humans as a companion to him/her/it. (going to the pet store and buying a hamster)

Then creates the first humans...that of course dont do a damn thing he/she/it says.(this damn hamster wont do a damn thing i say)

Then proceeds to kill as many non-believers and backsliding followers as he/she/it could do according to the Old Testament.
(Well ill starve you to death then and start over with a new hamster or two...like the exiles from Egypt)

The Old testament is just wrong on so many levels...that God for some reason just didnt understand us. (go figure hes suppose to know everything)

Now what Jesus talks about i dig and is a total 360 from the nut job in the last book. So for me the Adam and Eve story is just that......a story.

:confused:

I hate going off topic :rolleyes: but how long did the Ren & Stimpy comeback last??

I promise this is the last time I hijack I thread btw :rolleyes:

Genesis 1:28 says: "God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it."

From the context, it sounds like this happened on the sixth day of creation and before Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge (because God saw that everything was good at the end of the sixth day). That means that the first command God gave to humans was "be fruitful and increase in number", which would imply God wanted them to have sex, so where did this idea that sex was a result of sin come from?

I cannot speak well for the Christian narration and theology but according to the Muslim theological narration which I believe in, Adam and Hawa (Eve) (peace be upon them both) were both in Eden when the serpent promised them immortality if they ate from the forbidden tree. Once they ate from it, they were not immortal but acknowledged shame for the first time, from this they covered up as they were naked and sent down to Earth.

I never really got the whole apple thing.

I mean here we have God, all powerful creator of the universe. Decides one day to make people. Fine lovely no problem with His thinking so far.

He decides to give them paradise. Again, nice one God loving your work.

Then God decides, better not let the people get any smarter than they have to be, best make sure they stay in blissful ignorance of everything, so I'd better make sure they don't eat them apples of forbidden knowledge.

That I made

and placed in the same damn garden as them.

Hello? Woah, God? What kind of screwed up thinking was that?

Of course you can't second guess God. I reckon He meant us to eat the apples. I mean its not like He couldn't have stopped things is it?

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(yes I know you've all seen it but it's still funny and fitting)

Someone had to knock up Mary.... :p


LOL :D Quote of the year!

Back to the point in hand

If being naked was wrong why didn't god arrange for them to be covered.

If it was right why did obtaining knowledge make them conclude that it was wrong.

And to extend this
what kind of Punishment is sex

can you imagine using that one on the average teenager.

If you don't do what I say you'll have to have sex,
quite often and for the rest of your life.

Not so much.
1) It was Adam and Eve who deemed nudity bad after eating the apple (Bad to the whole free-will thing)

2) God had intended reproducttion via sex in the Garden of Eden. Though, the punishment, if you read the Bible (a well translated one, not the KJ) the punishments given to Eve was painful childbirth and the punishment to Adam was hours of manual labor. So in the most part, no more eternal bliss on earth.

Genesis 1:28 says: "God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it."

From the context, it sounds like this happened on the sixth day of creation and before Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge (because God saw that everything was good at the end of the sixth day). That means that the first command God gave to humans was "be fruitful and increase in number", which would imply God wanted them to have sex, so where did this idea that sex was a result of sin come from?
I am curious about that also.

Not so much.
1) It was Adam and Eve who deemed nudity bad after eating the apple (Bad to the whole free-will thing)

2) God had intended reproducttion via sex in the Garden of Eden. Though, the punishment, if you read the Bible (a well translated one, not the KJ) the punishments given to Eve was painful childbirth and the punishment to Adam was hours of manual labor. So in the most part, no more eternal bliss on earth.
What's wrong with the King James version?

What's wrong with the King James version?

Lets just say that good Ol' King James took some liberties while translating the Vulgate.

God an all perfect and knowing being creates humans as a companion to him/her/it. (going to the pet store and buying a hamster)

Then creates the first humans...that of course dont do a damn thing he/she/it says.(this damn hamster wont do a damn thing i say)

Then proceeds to kill as many non-believers and backsliding followers as he/she/it could do according to the Old Testament.
(Well ill starve you to death then and start over with a new hamster or two...like the exiles from Egypt)

The Old testament is just wrong on so many levels...that God for some reason just didnt understand us. (go figure hes suppose to know everything)

Now what Jesus talks about i dig and is a total 360 from the nut job in the last book. So for me the Adam and Eve story is just that......a story.

:confused:

do you have kids? ever had to punish them when you didn't want to?
God said that the generation that came out of Israel would never enter
into the promised land because of their bad behaviour. life is eternal.
death changes it's meaning when looked at through this lens. God is
simply our father and we are the obstinate children. stretch your beliefs
just a bit.

do you have kids? ever had to punish them when you didn't want to?
God said that the generation that came out of Israel would never enter
into the promised land because of their bad behaviour. life is eternal.
death changes it's meaning when looked at through this lens. God is
simply our father and we are the obstinate children. stretch your beliefs
just a bit.

Well your right the next time my kids get outta line ill just KILL them.....Im glad i now have the answer to dealing with bad behavior.

:mp5:

so where did this idea that sex was a result of sin come from?

Simply put, the act of sex is not sinful but sometimes the actors are. :D

For myself, sex is a special thing that I will share with the right woman.

Well your right the next time my kids get outta line ill just KILL them.....Im glad i now have the answer to dealing with bad behavior.

:mp5:

finally ;) someone like me who truly understands