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Is there anyone who supports ID without a religious background?
Multiple polling for those who support FSM.

I voted that I don't believe in intelligent design, but I must clarify. I consider what I believe intelligent design because I believe in a creator who designed all life. But I believe He did this through evolution. Since most consider ID an alternative to evolution I voted that I didn't believe in it.

To answer your question, I doubt you will find many who believe in ID but are not religous.

I voted that I don't believe in intelligent design, but I must clarify. I consider what I believe intelligent design because I believe in a creator who designed all life. But I believe He did this through evolution. Since most consider ID an alternative to evolution I voted that I didn't believe in it.

To answer your question, I doubt you will find many who believe in ID but are not religous.
I know. That was the point of this thread. I don't like the fact that many people are saying that ID is not a religious theory when it clearly is.

Damn it! I didn't see the Flying Spaghetti Monster option.

Because of it, his noodly appendage will surely be limp during my molestation tonight. :(

I think it's possible to believe ID and not be religious, although it would take some serious manuvering to defend it (superpowered aliens, perhaps).

I am not religious and do not accept Intelligent Design. I am partial to the beliefs of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I must admit.

Truly, no matter the results of this poll, I am certain that FSM theory will surely be victorious.

I voted that I don't believe in intelligent design, but I must clarify. I consider what I believe intelligent design because I believe in a creator who designed all life. But I believe He did this through evolution. Since most consider ID an alternative to evolution I voted that I didn't believe in it.

To answer your question, I doubt you will find many who believe in ID but are not religous.
Yeah, even evolution and creation fit fine together IMHO - I mean, after all, we're talking about the Man! :D

Damn it! I didn't see the Flying Spaghetti Monster option.
Because of it, his noodly appendage will surely be limp during my molestation tonight. :(
Uh oh! You really should cut down on that Japanese monster Hentai thing :p

I took the first choice.

For ID isn't the same as Creatonism.

God started the process but used Evolution as the tool/means.

Damn it! I didn't see the Flying Spaghetti Monster option.

Because of it, his noodly appendage will surely be limp during my molestation tonight. :(try wearing a School Girl Uniform... that seems to do it.

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Or so I've heard.

I took the first choice.

For ID isn't the same as Creatonism.

God started the process but used Evolution as the tool/means.
That doesn't seem to be ID either. ID says that certain things could not have evolved.

None of the current Hypotheses for ID are very well supported, but I can't believe that random evolution is entirely supportable either.

The whole argument is kind of like debating how many angels can dance on the head of a single pin.

Animal husbandry shows us that gradual changes can be made to a species through selective breeding techniques. Observation shows that selective breeding need not be imposed by the hand of man-"Natural Selection" works up to a point given environmental factors. There is strong evidence for SOME kind of Evolution.

(my favourite argument for use on Creationists who actually use their brains instead of "Just" their faith, is "What is God's idea of a work-day? Being Omnipotent, timeless, and, well... God, do you suppose he might decide that his workday isn't dictated by the rotation of one minor world, or its movement around a rather average sun in a remote corner of an average-size galaxy?")

I don't believe that something as complicated as mammalian physiology is the result of random inputs. That doesn't preclude the possibility that it did occur that way, but there's too much doubt, and you can't really run a proper experiment to test it.

We're going to be stuck with this argument until someone figures out a way to create universes artificially, track their development, and observe the results.

We're going to be stuck with this argument until someone figures out a way to create universes artificially, track their development, and observe the results.

I used to do that but I got bored.

try wearing a School Girl Uniform... that seems to do it.
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Or so I've heard.

You don't happen to have a, umm, "friend," yes, "friend" - that's the ticket - that I can borrow one from? Not being touched by his noodly appendage in that special way is almost unbearable an outcome.

http://www.venganza.org/

You don't happen to have a, umm, "friend," yes, "friend" - that's the ticket - that I can borrow one from? Not being touched by his noodly appendage in that special way is almost unbearable an outcome.

It'll be there as soon as possible, FSM willing. Just don't say where you got it from, okay? I'm in America...always remember that.

Is there any argument than that the ID hypothesis is a religious one?

I have a religion, and I don't believe in ID as the IDers put it forth.

I also don't "believe in" evolution. I feel that, given the evidence, it is the best explanation we have yet come to. However, there is no belief involved there. It is an observation of the evidence.

Oh, and Flying Spaghetti Monster rocks! hehe

Damn it! I didn't see the Flying Spaghetti Monster option.

Because of it, his noodly appendage will surely be limp during my molestation tonight. :(

I too am wallowing in my pirate outfit and waiting for his Marinara style judgement. Woe is me for forsaking FSMism

Is there any argument than that the ID hypothesis is a religious one?

Probably not from hardcore IDers. They like to distance themselves from the "g" word. They try to do so byt putting forth that we were created by aliens, and even possibly giant intelligent insects.

However, since ID was created initially by professors at religious "institutions" (the original idea came from a collective not a University), it would be hard to avoid the religious conotations put forth.

Probably not from hardcore IDers. They like to distance themselves from the "g" word. They try to do so byt putting forth that we were created by aliens, and even possibly giant intelligent insects.

However, since ID was created initially by professors at religious "institutions" (the original idea came from a collective not a University), it would be hard to avoid the religious conotations put forth.
Screams in the general direction of Kansas.

This is not the first time that I have encountered the flying spaghetti monster theory. Tell me, do you ever go to boards where "Star Wars vs Star Trek" debates is the main theme?

Is there anyone who supports ID without a religious background?


I believe that it is a good idea for people to carry their ID with them at all times, whether they are religious or not. Especially if you're planning on driving a car or ordering a drink at a bar.

This is not the first time that I have encountered the flying spaghetti monster theory. Tell me, do you ever go to boards where "Star Wars vs Star Trek" debates is the main theme?

No...

And Star Wars is science fantasy, Star Trek is science fiction. NO more arguments...I have to go to D&D. :D

This is not the first time that I have encountered the flying spaghetti monster theory. Tell me, do you ever go to boards where "Star Wars vs Star Trek" debates is the main theme?
Nope.

Nope.


Oh ok. I've just heard "flying spaghetti monster" before, and it was on one of those sites.

By the way do they teach evolution as a theory in Christian schools?

The FSM case is actually quite well known, its even come up in the new scientist magazine, after this (http://www.venganza.org/) open letter to the kanas school board, so its appearance in multiple forums is hardly suprising

The FSM case is actually quite well known, its even come up in the new scientist magazine, after this (http://www.venganza.org/) open letter to the kanas school board, so its appearance in multiple forums is hardly suprising
The grand length of noodle stretches across all internets.

Everything that I know about science I learned from "Doctor Who," and its storyline irrefutably supports the Flying Spaghetti Monster point of view, more or less.

By the way do they teach evolution as a theory in Christian schools?

They do in the ones worth sending your kids to.

They do in the ones worth sending your kids to.
My flying spaghetti sense tells me that they do not. But FSM, unlike other Gods, is not infallible.