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You were talking to a person that is wrong about her having a right to be an American. She raised and American soldier, she's earned the right to be here...

However, I also know that she supports al-qaeda by saying that we should leave Iraq now and let the terrorist have the entire country under their collective terrorist thumb. How is giving them a country to own NOT supporting them? Of course it supports them.

You've said some questionable things in your tenure on nationstates, but this one sets a new level...

You honestly believe that opposing war is THE SAME AS supporting another faction?

You obviously ignore the fact that Al-Qaeda is a problem in Iraq, BECAUSE of the US Invasion.... and that, what you call 'terrorists' in Iraq, you would call 'partisans', maybe even 'heroes' if they were YOUR OWN countrymen.

Congratulations!!!! You are a fundamentalist! :)
I wouldn't say, I'm a fundamentalist, just someone who's pissed off about how big of a deal the press, the president, and everyone is making her. Maybe is she 'disappeared' I could get some rest from it.

and not responding to posts in the other ones, I'll repeat two posts I made yesterday:

Chocolate Jesus on a peppermint cross!

Why do so many people have such sand in their crack about Cindy Sheehan?

Some of the same people whining here about Ms. Sheehan's opinions routinely waive the bloody flag when it suits their cause -- i.e., pro-war. They routinely claim we can't disagree with them because it would insult soldiers or their families. That has always been bullshit.

One woman raised an Eagle Scout and a soldier. She doesn't think she has been given a good reason for why he had to fight and die in Iraq. She isn't the only grieving mother or widow to feel that way. Get over the fact that she won't just quietly go away so Bush can have a nice vacation during his war.

You can criticize the war without criticize the troops. In fact, you can value the lives of our soldiers enough to not want to see them die unless absolutely necessary to further a compelling cause.

Many families of servicemen think this war was ill-started or ill-waged. Many military officials and ex-military officials have agreed.

I'm not particularly obsessed or care about Ms. Sheehan's opinion. I have always thought the test for going to war ought to be a necessity and compelling justification for the loss of American lives and killing of others.

COMMENTARY: I don't blame these families at all for not wanting their sons or daughters used as propaganda tools by Cindy Sheehan. As far as I'm concerned this is a continuation of the disrespect of deceased military personnel which began with Ms. Sheehan's disrespect for her son. I regard this as a serious breach of ethics on the part of the "anti-war protestors."

Meh. 13 crosses out of over 600 allegedly removed by "friends or relatives." (one person said that their were 12 other families) Not exactly an overwhelming objection.

You have strongly supported the use of crosses as public war memorials, but now they are suddenly disrespectful?

These people can use their sons or daughters as "propaganda tools" by erecting the crosses in a "pro-war" camp, but any mother, father, or widow of a deceased military member is showing disrespect if they question why their loved one had to die?

Your hypocrisy is a serious breach of ethics. Shame.

You were talking to a person that is wrong about her having a right to be an American. She raised and American soldier, she's earned the right to be here...

However, I also know that she supports al-qaeda by saying that we should leave Iraq now and let the terrorist have the entire country under their collective terrorist thumb. How is giving them a country to own NOT supporting them? Of course it supports them.

So before the U.S. invasion of Iraq, the government was run by a dictator that the U.S. had under it's thumb. After the invasion an early withdraw could mean that a terrorist government comes to power, possibly one with connections to Al-Qaeda. Ironic isn't it?

P.S. the Taliban was in control in Afghanistan, not Iraq.

So before the U.S. invasion of Iraq, the government was run by a dictator that the U.S. had under it's thumb. After the invasion an early withdraw could mean that a terrorist government comes to power, possibly one with connections to Al-Qaeda. Ironic isn't it?

P.S. the Taliban was in control in Afghanistan, not Iraq.

Withdrawing doesn't mean a neccesary upcoming of a terrorist government. At least, not yet. The terrorist government would be the winner of the Civil War, whenever helped by the Saudis and Pakistani volunteers, or by the USA and the UK.

More evidence that dear old Cindy is naught but a crazed media whore.


http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Exclusive_Cindy_Sheehan_speaks_to_crowd_at__0825.html

So this is the boy who they say I’m dishonoring by what I do and I know when I get up with Casey, like he went there first before me. When I get up, he’s gonna say, “Good job Mom.” (applause) He’s not going to say, he’s not going to say, “Why’d you make me spin in my grave,” you know. And I can just hear him saying “George Bush you are really an idiot. You didn’t know what you were doing when you killed me. You didn’t know what you were getting into.” And I’m sure Casey’s up there with Ken and all the others and they’re just going, “Wow, did these guys have moms? They didn’t know that this was going to happen when they killed us?”


Now, does that sound like a man who voluntarily re-enlisted when he knew there was a good chance he would go to Iraq, and then died on a voluntary rescue mission that he knew would be coming under heavy fire? No, no it doesn't.

You're right. Corpses don't talk.


(I found this out the hard way.)

More evidence that dear old Cindy is naught but a crazed media whore.
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Exclusive_Cindy_Sheehan_speaks_to_crowd_at__0825.html

Now, does that sound like a man who voluntarily re-enlisted when he knew there was a good chance he would go to Iraq, and then died on a voluntary rescue mission that he knew would be coming under heavy fire? No, no it doesn't.

You, of course, know Casey Sheehan much better than his mother. :rolleyes:

My guess is he would have kicked the shit out of any punk that called his mother a "crazed media whore."

How quickly respect for soldiers and their families goes out the window when they don't just line up with your political agenda.

BTW, my brother-in-law re-enlisted knowing there was a high chance he would go to Iraq, because his family needed the paycheck. He doesn't support the war and has been greatly relieved he hasn't been sent ... yet.

BTW2, why is a woman questioning why her son died a "crazed media whore," but pontificating pro-war politicians and pro-war ralliers aren't?

You're right. Corpses don't talk.


(I found this out the hard way.)

Yet every Bushevik tries to stick their hands in Casey Sheehan's remains like a puppet and scream "YOU'RE DISHONORING ME MOM!! SHUT UP AND DIE!!"

Yet every Bushevik tries to stick their hands in Casey Sheehan's remains like a puppet and scream "YOU'RE DISHONORING ME MOM!! SHUT UP AND DIE!!"

Hey, don't make fun of me, I'm a puppet master!!!!

Hey, don't make fun of me, I'm a puppet master!!!!
Having five nations on NS does not make you a puppet master :D

My guess is he would have kicked the shit out of any punk that called his mother a "crazed media whore."
Unless his mother is a crazed media whore and he is ashamed of her.
How quickly respect for soldiers and their families goes out the window when they don't just line up with your political agenda.How quickly the left is to attach itself to any America-hating family memberr of an honorable soldier.

BTW, my brother-in-law re-enlisted knowing there was a high chance he would go to Iraq, because his family needed the paycheck. He doesn't support the war and has been greatly relieved he hasn't been sent ... yet.You should perhaps talk to your brother in law about perhaps having some courage to not enlist into something he doesn't belive in.

BTW2, why is a woman questioning why her son died a "crazed media whore," but pontificating pro-war politicians and pro-war ralliers aren't?Because the Pro-war politicians and pro-war "ralliers" don't go around accusing the American president of murder.

I saw a brief snippet of Mrs. Sheehan on the BBC news at 10 a few nights ago. She looked and sounded like the kind of woman who would insist you come in and taste a batch of cookies she just made even if you only went to her house to tell her she's being evicted. I can imagine her tousling my hair and calling me a "young rascal" after I'd thrown brick through her window (were I inclined to do such a thing).

Basically it makes the people laying into her seem just that bit more psychotic.

:D

Unless his mother is a crazed media whore and he is ashamed of her.
How quickly the left is to attach itself to any America-hating family memberr of an honorable soldier.

You should perhaps talk to your brother in law about perhaps having some courage to not enlist into something he doesn't belive in.

Because the Pro-war politicians and pro-war "ralliers" don't go around accusing the American president of murder.

Made-up facts and false patriotism are so much fun.

We all know everyone that is currently in the military loves the war in Iraq and no one that doesn't want to die there shouldn't join. :rolleyes:

Was Lincoln against the troops or anti-American when he spoke out against the Mexican War in 1848?

Was Mark Twain against the troops or anti-American when he spoke out against the Spanish-American War?

I can go on and on with examples.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt

BTW, nice way to support the troops by challenging the courage of my brother-in-law who was decorated (I don't know for what) in prior service and is currently a recruiter. :headbang:

BTW, nice way to support the troops by challenging the courage of my brother-in-law who was decorated (I don't know for what) in prior service and is currently a recruiter. :headbang:
Blah, Blah, Blah. There is a difference between criticizing the president and making up lies about him. There is nothing honorable about making up lies about him.

I am currently in the service, so save me the "support the troops" bullshit. I am one, and you are not supportive.

Blah, Blah, Blah. There is a difference between criticizing the president and making up lies about him. There is nothing honorable about making up lies about him.

I am currently in the service, so save me the "support the troops" bullshit. I am one, and you are not supportive.

"Blah, blah, blah." Such eloquence stuns me.

So, Abraham Lincoln, Mark Twain, Teddy Roosevelt, and I all hate/hated American and its troops?

So does every soldier or veteran that wishes we weren't in Iraq or we were managing things there better?

Apparently, the only way to make you happy is to wish that you were sent to possibily die in Iraq due to Bush's incompetence.

Um... I'm a Navy vet; Gulf War, blah blah blah etc.

The events in Iraq, however, are beyond the pale. I had the utmost respect for Colin Powel, up until the moment he gave his little speech to the UN. He regained some of that when he quit his job.

Did her son die for a BS cause? I think so.
Do I think America is worth fighting for? Yes.
But we're not fighting for America; there is a difference.

And no country is worth dying for. Ever.

Ever.

My family is worth fighting and *living* for.
I did/would/will fight for *you* or your family. America is a word. The people are what matter.Damn right! Golden Words.

Blah, Blah, Blah. There is a difference between criticizing the president and making up lies about him. There is nothing honorable about making up lies about him.

I am currently in the service, so save me the "support the troops" bullshit. I am one, and you are not supportive.


The "President" is the one who deliberately misled (read:told lies to) the public about the war. That is a fact.


http://www.house.gov/reform/min/pdfs_108_2/pdfs_inves/pdf_admin_iraq_on_the_record_rep.pdf

^ Report from House of Reps committee that documents a couple hundred public statements made by the Bush Administration that were deliberately misleading to the public.

The "President" is the one who deliberately misled (read:told lies to) the public about the war. That is a fact.

That is not a fact, that is your lies once again.
Support the troops?
Troll.

That is not a fact, that is your lies once again.
Support the troops?
Troll.
Yet he has sources :p

That is not a fact, that is your lies once again.
Support the troops?
Troll.

HOw is it trolling to provide proof that the Bush Administration lied to us deliberately? Proof from www.house.gov baby.

read it and weep or don't read it and continue to live in the dark while making baseless statements, troll!

That is not a fact, that is your lies once again.
Support the troops?
Troll.

LOL.

This isn't the pot calling the kettle black, but more of the pot calling the china plates black.

Yet he has sources :p
Which he lies about, not once is this paper, written by an extreme democrat anti-Bush hatemonger, is the word deliberately used to describe the administrations use of info.

So his source is bullshit, doesn't prove anything. I could cite George Lucas's works as proof that there is life outside this solar system. That would be bullshit, too.

Don't reinforce lies.

read it and weep
Your sources are bullshit, so your cutesy little saying is rather funny, however, exactly the opposite of how you intended.

Shouldn't you be at daycare?

I have to say I agree with her, if she said that (rightists like the esteemed Eutrusca have been flinging so much poo at this woman, that you just can't trust anything said about her any more). The US is not worth dying for.


I think you have no basis to say that. For according to your "location" you live currently in Sweden. I think if you lived in America, and were born here i think you might say otherwise. I know that if the United States were under attack in anyway, I would join the military and fight with no delay. If I would die, as Eutrusca said, I would rather die for a cause such as defending freedom then to die lets say by getting hit by a car. This Sheehan woman is unbeliveable how she disrespects he son and all of America's war veterens by doing what she is doing. My family has had a history of fighting for The Idea that all men are created equal, and that I live in a nation where we have more freedoms then any where else on the planet. My great garnd father served in WWI. My Grandfather served in WWII. My Father served in Vietnam. And so far we all know Vietnam was the most devided issue this nation has very had other then slavery and the Civil War. And now My Brother, who has been wounded is now currently recovering in Germany, served in Iraq. Sheehan is lucky she doesn't live in a place where if she voiced her opinion like she is doing now, that she would get killed. That she lives in a place where she can voice her opinion with out fear of death. Yes, God Bless America, and Freedom Loving Nations.

Which he lies about, not once is this paper, written by an extreme democrat anti-Bush hatemonger, is the word deliberately used to describe the administrations use of info.

So his source is bullshit, doesn't prove anything. I could cite George Lucas's works as proof that there is life outside this solar system. That would be bullshit, too.

Don't reinforce lies.

from the article which you obviously didn't look at:


This report, which was prepared at the request of Rep. Henry A. Waxman, is a
comprehensive examination of the statements made by the five Administration
officials most responsible for providing public information and shaping public
opinion on Iraq: President George Bush, Vice President Richard Cheney,
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, and
National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice. It finds that the five officials made misleading statements about the threat posed by Iraq in 125 public appearances. The report and an accompanying database identify 237 specific misleading
statements by the five officials.

Methodology
The Special Investigations Division compiled a database of statements about Iraq made by President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Secretary Rumsfeld, Secretary Powell, and National Security Advisor Rice. All of the statements in the database were drawn from speeches, press conferences and briefings, interviews, written statements, and testimony by the five officials.

This Iraq on the Record database contains statements made by the five officials that were misleading at the time they were made. The database does not include statements that appear in hindsight to be erroneous but were accurate reflections of the views of intelligence officials at the time they were made. The entire database is accessible to members of Congress and the public at
www.reform.house.gov/min.

This report is a summary of the Iraq on the Record database. Because the
officials’ statements have been compiled into a searchable database, the report canmake new observations about the topics that were the subject of misleading claims, the timing of these claims, and the officials who were responsible. To ensure objectivity, the report was peer reviewed for fairness and accuracy by two


Flame/flamebait and cover your ears and go "la la la la" all you wan't. Just trying to help you open your eyes.

Your sources are bullshit, so your cutesy little saying is rather funny, however, exactly the opposite of how you intended.

Shouldn't you be at daycare?

I'd tell you to grow up if I thought it would make a difference.

Withdrawing doesn't mean a neccesary upcoming of a terrorist government. At least, not yet. The terrorist government would be the winner of the Civil War, whenever helped by the Saudis and Pakistani volunteers, or by the USA and the UK.

I agree with your first statement. But it seems that a lot of people who support a prolonged U.S. occupation of Iraq feel that a withdraw would lead to the rise of a terrorist government. The point I am making is that before the war you had Saddam Hussein and his supporters to deal with. Now, the situation in Iraq is very similar to the situation in Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation. By invading Iraq, the U.S. has given Islamic extremists a battle ground from which they can justify their "Jihad".

from the article which you obviously didn't look at:




Flame/flamebait and cover your ears and go "la la la la" all you wan't. Just trying to help you open your eyes.
Nowhere does it say the Bush Administration"deliberately" mislead anyone, so keep lying about him. You can't even cite your own sources correctly. :rolleyes: You are doing your cause a world of good.

Do you think if I wrote to Mrs. Sheehan, she'd send me back a home-made pie?

Nowhere does it say the Bush Administration"deliberately" mislead anyone, so keep lying about him. You can't even cite your own sources correctly. :rolleyes: You are doing your cause a world of good.


It's called paraphrasing. I also quoted what it actually did say. Anyway - you are obviously not worth debating with if you can do nothing but whine about what I post yet do nothing in terms of refuting it.


The Bush administration make hundreds of misleading statements that werent supported by the intelligence that we had. We were misled. Get it?

mmmmm pie. :eek: :mp5:

Um... I'm a Navy vet; Gulf War...
*snip
Bullshit.WOW...

So, Abraham Lincoln, Mark Twain, Teddy Roosevelt, and I all hate/hated American and its troops?

Cat, now you're just ignoring what he said. There is a major difference between criticism and what Cindy Sheehan is doing. Especially when she then expressly ignores the wishes of other military families and essentially tells them to fuck off because their opinions of their sons are not as important as her opinion of George Bush.

Well, I'd rather die for a cause than die for something stupid, like in a DUI, or falling down the stairs, or a heartattack.

I just recognize bullshit when I see and smell it.You know...I does smell ugly...

Im just not sure from which vet its coming...

Cat, now you're just ignoring what he said. There is a major difference between criticism and what Cindy Sheehan is doing. Especially when she then expressly ignores the wishes of other military families and essentially tells them to fuck off because their opinions of their sons are not as important as her opinion of George Bush.
I don't know why you all pay so much heed to such a media whore. I mean, she ain't got any moral ground to stand on. She's a filthy gutterslut who would betray this country the first chance she got.
She is Al Qaeda's Tokyo Rose.

Hell, as military person after military person (and their families) have pointed out, Mrs. Sheehan does not speak for military families, nor does she represent parents who have kids in the military.

I don't know why you all pay so much heed to such a media whore. I mean, she ain't got any moral ground to stand on. She's a filthy gutterslut who would betray this country the first chance she got.
She is Al Qaeda's Tokyo Rose.

Hell, as military person after military person (and their families) have pointed out, Mrs. Sheehan does not speak for military families, nor does she represent parents who have kids in the military.

And a cookie for you.

.... She's a filthy gutterslut...she is a mother who lost her son in the war...

I don like anyone calling her Whore or slut.

Her sexual life is not public...

So let me see if I can summarize the Anti-Sheehan argument:

*She's a liar and a whore who should stop lying.

Why is she a liar and a whore?

*Because she hates America and hates our troops.

How do you come to that conclusion?

*Because she's doing this all for attention and she's going against her son's wishes, the crazy bitch.

You got any support for that?

*I know she's a liar and a whore.

How do you know that?

*Because she hates America and hates our troops.

______________________________________________________

Yeah, makes for a really compelling argument.

I don't know why you all pay so much heed to such a media whore. I mean, she ain't got any moral ground to stand on. She's a filthy gutterslut who would betray this country the first chance she got.
She is Al Qaeda's Tokyo Rose.

Hell, as military person after military person (and their families) have pointed out, Mrs. Sheehan does not speak for military families, nor does she represent parents who have kids in the military.

She speaks for herself and for at least some other military families. She has never claimed to speak for all.

She raised an Eagle Scout who died for this country and you drag her name through the mud for questioning a policy of the current Administration.

Until this moment, sir, I think I never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness. Let us not assassinate this woman further. You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you no sense of decency?

Get over it for god's sake. She's an immoral gutterslut who just happens to be a media whore.

She's also the modern Tokyo Rose. I would not be the least bit surprised if in a few years it turns out that the Bin Laden Family was paying all her fees and expenses.

Percentage of military families she does not speak for? 99%

She speaks for herself and for at least some other military families. She has never claimed to speak for all.

She raised an Eagle Scout who died for this country and you drag her name through the mud for questioning a policy of the current Administration.

Until this moment, sir, I think I never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness. Let us not assassinate this woman further. You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you no sense of decency?
Decency is not to be shown to guttersluts.

Get over it for god's sake. She's an immoral gutterslut who just happens to be a media whore.

She's also the modern Tokyo Rose. I would not be the least bit surprised if in a few years it turns out that the Bin Laden Family was paying all her fees and expenses.

Percentage of military families she does not speak for? 99%

And where do you get that statistic? My God, if I had any official capacity I would certify you a hardcore Bushevik.

Decency is not to be shown to guttersluts.

Or soldier's mothers, apparently...

Percentage of military families she does not speak for? 99%

Your right of course she doesen't speak for 99% of military families... thats your job. :rolleyes:

hardcore Bushevik.
Hey are you so proud of your unwitty little term, that you have to post it in every last post your spam this forum with?

Hey are you so proud of your unwitty little term, that you have to post it in every last post your spam this forum with?

I didn't make it up, I just happened upon the term and it was so damn appropriate. If you don't believe me look up 'Bushevik' on Google or the engine of your choice. And if the shoe fits...

Republicans disagree with Cindy Sheehan's protests. Busheviks call her a gutterslut Commie Mutant Traitor who dishonors her son and is giving away America to Osama Bin Ladin.

Which one are you? Although I have my suspicions.

I didn't make it up, I just happened upon the term and it was so damn appropriate. If you don't believe me look up 'Bushevik' on Google or the engine of your choice. And if the shoe fits...

Republicans disagree with Cindy Sheehan's protests. Busheviks call her a gutterslut Commie Mutant Traitor who dishonors her son and is giving away America to Osama Bin Ladin.

Which one are you? Although I have my suspicions.

ah, don't worry about it. the country is slowly waking up. the only ones out to smear Cindy are folks who noses are shoved so far up Bush's ASS that if Bush made a quick left, they'd break their noses off.

Decency is not to be shown to guttersluts.
Speak your mind and you are a “gutterslut”?

She's trashing every single person who has ever died in the service of America. People like her make me sick. :mad:

I am not aware much of the ranting of Mrs. Sheehan as I really don't pay attention to left wing lunatics who encourage people to betray their own country.
How is she betraying her own country?

The fact is, this woman's aligned herself with Scummy leftists like Michael Moore (referring to the insurgents as minutemen) and democracynow, and these crazy leftists. It seems to me as though she only wants the media attention, and doesn't really care about her son.

When she said that America isn't worth dying for, she devalued the ultimate sacrifice her son made for the better good of his country, his family, and his mother.
But she didn't say "America isn't worth dying for". :eek:

Of course, I have to question what the Israeli children killed in these bombings did that they deserved such brutal deaths.
And I could argue what the Iraqi "children killed in these bombings did that they deserved such brutal deaths".

But for her to say that America is not worth dying for
But she didn't say "America is not worth dying for"

Cindy Sheehan thoroughly disgusts me.
Does "freedom of speech" disgust you? She lost a son, what have you lost as a result of the war in Iraq?

The war in Iraq is not against the Iraqi people as a whole.
It isn't? :rolleyes:

There is a radical thinking, based on ignorance, fear, religious intolerance, and poverty, that is spreading throughout the Muslim communities. It is based on the same intolerance that we saw in Nazi Germany, the KKK, the ethnic cleansings, ....countless times throughout history and today. It is a cancer that threatens to destroy people and their rights, and we cannot allow it to grow and spread.
I think you just contradicted yourself in the same post. Great job!! :rolleyes:

Your response is based on YOUR "ignorance, fear, religious intolerance"?

And you want to convert these people (Iraqis) now? :rolleyes:

Made-up facts and false patriotism are so much fun.


Was Lincoln against the troops or anti-American when he spoke out against the Mexican War in 1848?

Was Mark Twain against the troops or anti-American when he spoke out against the Spanish-American War?



The real question is, was George Bush anti-American and against the troops when he was against the war in Kosovo?

The real question is, was George Bush anti-American and against the troops when he was against the war in Kosovo?
Oh? You have tweaked my interest. Bush was against the war in Kosovo, or are you just throwing out a statement?

Oh? You have tweaked my interest. Bush was against the war in Kosovo, or are you just throwing out a statement?

Focus on core mission by removing US troops from Balkans
Bush’s advisors confirmed that a Bush administration would work to redeploy the 11,400 ground troops - about one-fifth of the 65,000 NATO peacekeeping troops in the region - out of the Balkans. They added, however, that no such redeployment would take place without consultation with America’s NATO allies. The remarks fleshed out Bush’s repeated statements that American troops should not be used in peacekeeping missions and should instead concentrate their efforts on preparing to fight wars in places like the Persian Gulf and the Korean peninsula.

“The role of the US military is not to be all things to all people. Bush does not support an open-ended commitment to keep our troops as peacekeepers in the Balkans,” said a spokesman. An advisor added, “Gore seems to have a vision of an indefinite US military deployment in the Balkans. He proved today that if he is elected, America’s military will continue to be overdeployed, harming morale & re-enlistment rates, weakening our military’s core mission.”

Source: Steven Holmes, NY Times Oct 22, 2000

http://www.issues2000.org/George_W__Bush_Kosovo.htm


In 1999, Bush Demanded A Timetable

In 1999, George W. Bush criticized President Clinton for not setting a timetable for exiting Kosovo, and yet he refuses to apply the same standard to his war.

George W. Bush, 4/9/99:

“Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is.”

And on the specific need for a timetable, here’s what Bush said then and what he says now:

George W. Bush, 6/5/99

“I think it’s also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn.”

[ed. note: article originally ran in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer on 6/5/99]

VERSUS

George W. Bush, 6/24/05:

“It doesn’t make any sense to have a timetable. You know, if you give a timetable, you’re — you’re conceding too much to the enemy.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/06/28/in-1999-bush-demanded-a-timetable/

Clearly I'm playing fast and loose with the definition of 'against the war' by any rational standard. But so are the neocons, and I'm working by their definition.

I didn't make it up,

(the term 'bushevik' - Dobbs)

I just happened upon the term and it was so damn appropriate. If you don't believe me look up 'Bushevik' on Google or the engine of your choice.
Well, I tried pitting a few words against each other on Googlefights, and I've collated my unscientific results here:

Expressions for describing supporters of George Bush (numbers courtesy http://www.googlefight.com/ ):

Bushite - 27,500
Bushian - 14,800
Bushist - 11,800
Bushevik - 4,920
Bushnik - 3,860
Bushpublican - 12
Bushiot - 1

And last, but certainly not least - nay, in first place of all things -

Fan of the Smirking Chimp - 31,300




There ya go! There's lots ways to describe Mr. Bush - ! :p

http://www.issues2000.org/George_W__Bush_Kosovo.htm

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/06/28/in-1999-bush-demanded-a-timetable/

Clearly I'm playing fast and loose with the definition of 'against the war' by any rational standard. But so are the neocons, and I'm working by their definition.
*CanuckHeaven* applauds the good detective work by Densim!! :)

Totally ironic to say the least!!

Here is what I found:

NOTE: I have not verified any of these but I do find it interesting!!

Here's what Republicans said about Clinton and Kosovo (http://www.crooksandliars.com/stories/2005/08/17/heresWhatRepublicansSaidAboutClintonAndKosovo.html)

"President Clinton is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."

-Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA)

"No goal, no objective, not until we have those things and a compelling case is made, then I say, back out of it, because innocent people are going to die for nothing. That's why I'm against it."

-Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/5/99

"American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy."

-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy."

-Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of presidential candidate George W. Bush

This is just so ironic!! :D

Oh and there are lots more.

Well, I tried pitting a few words against each other on Googlefights, and I've collated my unscientific results here:

Expressions for describing supporters of George Bush (numbers courtesy http://www.googlefight.com/ ):

Bushite - 27,500
Bushian - 14,800
Bushist - 11,800
Bushevik - 4,920
Bushnik - 3,860
Bushpublican - 12
Bushiot - 1

There ya go! There's lots ways to describe Mr. Bush - ! :p
Ummm.....you forgot (http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=bushit&meta=):

Results 1 - 10 of about 39,800 for Bushit.

Type in Anti Christ into google.
Ha ha... Actually, look at the second listing. Not the first, though that might need a look, too.

Republicans disagree with Cindy Sheehan's protests. Busheviks call her a gutterslut Commie Mutant Traitor who dishonors her son and is giving away America to Osama Bin Ladin.
I belive she has the right to protest and is dishonoring her son, who belived in the War and volunteered to join the military and go to Iraq, just like all of us.

"The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other poor bastard die for his!"

I belive she has the right to protest and is dishonoring her son, who belived in the War and volunteered to join the military and go to Iraq, just like all of us.

Make me a deal. Find one quote, just one quote, that Casey thought the War was a great idea. The story I heard (which at this point is equally as valid as yours,) is that he had doubts about the war, but that he could not abandon his comrades.

Says the master of Hate Speech.
I challenge you to show ONE post of mine that has "hate speech" in it. Guess what? After going through my 5,000 posts, you will learn that you are a master of BS? :eek:

What's this about Iraq being a "Jew's War"? I saw that somewhere. Any quotes from her? Sorry if this was mentioned already, there are 38 pages to go through.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=440467&page=1&pp=15

Enough said.

Do you think if I wrote to Mrs. Sheehan, she'd send me back a home-made pie?

:D

Blah, Blah, Blah. There is a difference between criticizing the president and making up lies about him. There is nothing honorable about making up lies about him.

I am currently in the service, so save me the "support the troops" bullshit. I am one, and you are not supportive.

Perhaps you hadn't realised.... every american tax-payer is supporting the troops...

Don't be confused... just because someone opposes the WAR, doesn't mean they oppose the ARMY.

I don't know why you all pay so much heed to such a media whore. I mean, she ain't got any moral ground to stand on. She's a filthy gutterslut who would betray this country the first chance she got.
She is Al Qaeda's Tokyo Rose.

Hell, as military person after military person (and their families) have pointed out, Mrs. Sheehan does not speak for military families, nor does she represent parents who have kids in the military.

Ah... when evidence is lacking, hollow, venomous rhetoric is the best weapon....

What's this about Iraq being a "Jew's War"? .In every war there is Losers and winners...

Several Fat Corporations (usually Republican contributors) like Haliburton are benefiting with this stupid War...

Jewish Lobby was relentlessly Pushing for the Iraq War...something about Saddam openly giving comfort to suicide-palestinean Families.

As far a Countries go...only one country has gained from This War...Israel.

Is that just a coincidence?? ...Maybe.

Ummm.....you forgot (http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=bushit&meta=):

Results 1 - 10 of about 39,800 for Bushit.

Ummm, and YOU forgot the best one of all.

Do a Google on Bush + Asshole, and hit "I'm feeling lucky"

"When Stevie Wonder took the stage at the Kennedy Center, President Bush waved to him. Realizing his faux pas, President Bush turned to his wife and said, 'Oh my God, do you think he saw that?'" —Tina Fey. Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update"

And the point of this comment was what, exactly?? I mean, nothing that you posted after it had been posted by either of us...or had anything to do with either of us. So what was the point of that comment? Are you trying to reignite a shouting match that has since calmed down?

Neither of you can control yourselves, or make rational arguments. You deserve to be made fun of.

Bullshit.
I call into question your claim to be a Vietnam veteran. You have no more proof than he does.

Unless his mother is a crazed media whore and he is ashamed of her.
How quickly the left is to attach itself to any America-hating family memberr of an honorable soldier.
You're arguing in circles here.

Because the Pro-war politicians and pro-war "ralliers" don't go around accusing the American president of murder.
No, they accuse the anti-war people of it!

I saw a brief snippet of Mrs. Sheehan on the BBC news at 10 a few nights ago. She looked and sounded like the kind of woman who would insist you come in and taste a batch of cookies she just made even if you only went to her house to tell her she's being evicted. I can imagine her tousling my hair and calling me a "young rascal" after I'd thrown brick through her window (were I inclined to do such a thing).

Basically it makes the people laying into her seem just that bit more psychotic.

That's probably the impression she wanted to give. She wants to look like innocence abused.

That's probably the impression she wanted to give. She wants to look like innocence abused.

Yeah, but it's possible that she really is just a nice lady who is grieving her son and standing up for her beliefs (albiet in a slightly OTT way).
If we are to believe the rants and raves of several posters in this thread, she is the devil incarnate. I find that highly unlikely.

Well, I tried pitting a few words against each other on Googlefights, and I've collated my unscientific results here:

Expressions for describing supporters of George Bush (numbers courtesy http://www.googlefight.com/ ):

Bushite - 27,500
Bushian - 14,800
Bushist - 11,800
Bushevik - 4,920
Bushnik - 3,860
Bushpublican - 12
Bushiot - 1

And last, but certainly not least - nay, in first place of all things -

Fan of the Smirking Chimp - 31,300nice site :D

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Dubya&word2=Osama

Yeah, but it's possible that she really is just a nice lady who is grieving her son and standing up for her beliefs (albiet in a slightly OTT way).
If we are to believe the rants and raves of several posters in this thread, she is the devil incarnate. I find that highly unlikely.
Of course she's not the devil, but she's probably not lily-white either. Each side has a Scylla of faces in the media, I don't trust either to be The Truth.

I would consider myself a Liberal( A canadian one so i don't know how that compares to an American Liberal)

I am willing to fight for my country against an evil nation( like Nazi Germany )

I would also be willing to go to afghanistan to help get rid of a terror state.

I am even willing to fight against Iraq if the UN had agreed to the liberation of the Iraqi people. I think we should take out despotic dictators( like Sadam, the turkenish dictator, even Kimmy if we had the ability. But the way the war was presented proved to be false and the UN did not support it.

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Originally Posted by Lyric
And the point of this comment was what, exactly?? I mean, nothing that you posted after it had been posted by either of us...or had anything to do with either of us. So what was the point of that comment? Are you trying to reignite a shouting match that has since calmed down?

Neither of you can control yourselves, or make rational arguments. You deserve to be made fun of.

No, Swimmingpool. This is a prime example of flamebait/flaming, and is expressly against NS rules. I shall deal with this accordingly. Have a nice day.

Neither of you can control yourselves, or make rational arguments. You deserve to be made fun of.

Incorrect. No one deserves to be made fun of, and you should know better for even suggesting it. Don't do it again.

Of course she's not the devil, but she's probably not lily-white either. Each side has a Scylla of faces in the media, I don't trust either to be The Truth.

I'm just a man who wants a home-made pie with as little effort on my part as possible. If I have to write to some semi-famous war protestor I've never met to get my pie, I'm going to do it, reputations be damned. :D