NationStates Jolt Archive


The "Brown Scare"

Laerod
21-08-2005, 15:33
The term "Brown Scare" comes from the Red Scare which occured during the cold war in the United States. Brown is the color that neo-Nazis are associated with, due to the fact that the Nazi party equipped its Stormtroopers with brown uniforms.

A short while back, there was an article in Indymedia regarding NationStates as a neo-Nazi recruiting ground. Around the same time, the directive concerning which flags were appropriate was "revised" (if clarifying what was originally decided can be considered revised) and a large number of NationStates with suspicious names suddenly had the default flag.

This has made me wonder about what is done to combat the browns. I haven't seen anyone that I would consider as belonging to that part of the political spectrum question the flag policy in either the general forum or the appropriate thread in the moderation forum. What do you do or know about that is being done to keep the browns a fringe group?

I'd like to praise the MT Army, for its dedication to turning former far right-wing regions into museums against the horror that is being denied or praised by the former inhabitants.
Keruvalia
21-08-2005, 15:52
"Brown Scare"

Is that like the brown noise?
Fass
21-08-2005, 16:03
Is that like the brown noise?

Ugh, that reminds me of a terrible, terrible, guilt-inducing joke about leaving the foster kids at the pool.

http://www.spacespider.net/emo/common060.gif
Tactical Grace
21-08-2005, 16:41
I think the simple answer is, not a whole lot more than before, because OMFG there weren't that many nazis around anyway!

People see there's a few regions where people have maltese cross flags or whatever, and make the occasional random post about being the master race, and assume there's a massive OMG NOES nazi problem, but there isn't.

It's like a couple of years ago, when a load of Stormfront people made nations and flooded the forums with race hate, got deleted one by one, and the few remaining who never said much to offend people, got bored and left. Judging by the amount of flaming they got, they weren't very successful at recruiting people. :rolleyes:

The article in Indymedia (which is a bit of a discredited anarchist outfit, anyway) is a load of bollocks, probably posted by a disgruntled NSer deleted for multiing or something.
Laerod
21-08-2005, 16:57
The article in Indymedia (which is a bit of a discredited anarchist outfit, anyway) is a load of bollocks, probably posted by a disgruntled NSer deleted for multiing or something.It was complete junk. I was only mentioning what it was that brought me on the topic. What the article did was spark a long discussion on the merits of freedom of speech and the merits of freedom from insults.
PaulJeekistan
22-08-2005, 00:27
Indymedia is a reeking hodgepodge of leftist thought that takes every effort to slander and condemn anything that does'nt conform to their point of veiw. Was that an ad hominem attack? Yep. Was it accurate? Yep. Only fundamentalist Christians and Rabid socialists get upset about a feaking computer game.
Laerod
22-08-2005, 00:31
Indymedia is a reeking hodgepodge of leftist thought that takes every effort to slander and condemn anything that does'nt conform to their point of veiw. Was that an ad hominem attack? Yep. Was it accurate? Yep. Only fundamentalist Christians and Rabid socialists get upset about a feaking computer game.That isn't what this thread is about though...
(Maybe I should make the question bold)
PaulJeekistan
22-08-2005, 00:34
What I mean is that one-sided fringe groups (like neo-nazis and IndyMedia) should be ignored and scoffed. They don't deserve the attention.
_Susa_
22-08-2005, 00:39
The term "Brown Scare" comes from the Red Scare which occured during the cold war in the United States. Brown is the color that neo-Nazis are associated with, due to the fact that the Nazi party equipped its Stormtroopers with brown uniforms.

A short while back, there was an article in Indymedia regarding NationStates as a neo-Nazi recruiting ground. Around the same time, the directive concerning which flags were appropriate was "revised" (if clarifying what was originally decided can be considered revised) and a large number of NationStates with suspicious names suddenly had the default flag.

This has made me wonder about what is done to combat the browns. I haven't seen anyone that I would consider as belonging to that part of the political spectrum question the flag policy in either the general forum or the appropriate thread in the moderation forum. What do you do or know about that is being done to keep the browns a fringe group?

I'd like to praise the MT Army, for its dedication to turning former far right-wing regions into museums against the horror that is being denied or praised by the former inhabitants.


I remember when I first joined NS around Christmas 2004 and after there was a LOT of neo-nazis on the boards and a TON of Nazi threads and debates. Now, not so much. Back then, there was less American politics debates and more historical debates, more debates concerning Nazis and Communism.
Laerod
22-08-2005, 00:50
I remember when I first joined NS around Christmas 2004 and after there was a LOT of neo-nazis on the boards and a TON of Nazi threads and debates. Now, not so much. Back then, there was less American politics debates and more historical debates, more debates concerning Nazis and Communism.It's sad that they've retreated to their own forums and regions. I would love to crush their feeble arguements in one might swipe... I'd have an easy time, too, judging from what I've seen on their message boards... :D
PaulJeekistan
22-08-2005, 00:54
It would be nice to have some real nazis to argue with. Of course the word itself really ceases to mean nazi. Nazi is forum speak for 'person who's ideas I don't like'
Laerod
22-08-2005, 01:08
It would be nice to have some real nazis to argue with. Of course the word itself really ceases to mean nazi. Nazi is forum speak for 'person who's ideas I don't like'I bash anyone I feel abuses the word. I think it's reserved for a particular group of people that I disagree with and shouldn't be used with impunity.
PaulJeekistan
22-08-2005, 01:16
Everyone applies it to the particular group of people they disagree with. That's why I define nazi as use din forums and debate as 'somebody I disagree with. I don't use it that way. I use it in reference to those who identify witht the National Socialist movement. Who I do disagree with. But i don't generically use the word on everyone I disagree with. Unlike IndyMedia....
Laerod
22-08-2005, 01:24
Everyone applies it to the particular group of people they disagree with. That's why I define nazi as use din forums and debate as 'somebody I disagree with. I don't use it that way. I use it in reference to those who identify witht the National Socialist movement. Who I do disagree with. But i don't generically use the word on everyone I disagree with. Unlike IndyMedia....I've only read that specific article, but judging from it, Indymedia compares to a local tabloid that led a vendetta against my school. The people they refer to are indeed nazis and we have plenty of 'em, just not in the "majority" they claim. It's faulty research and gross neglect that I detect with them...
And I applaud how you deal with the term. Used too often and it becomes a hollow insult without meaning...
Call to power
22-08-2005, 01:30
I'd like to praise the MT Army, for its dedication to turning former far right-wing regions into museums against the horror that is being denied or praised by the former inhabitants.

wow they should really be deleted

never seen a nazi region but as long as they have there own little area to play in and don't go outside that I don't care

I thought this was a debate about brown source :(
NERVUN
22-08-2005, 01:32
Having a nazi, or white surpremist on the board seems to be one of the few times I have seen the usual attackdogs on General unite after a common foe.

Freedom of speech seems to be, in this case, freedom to post hate, and then get bashed by everyone on the board till the Mods get around to deleting your broken and brused carcass.
Laerod
22-08-2005, 01:33
wow they should really be deleted

never seen a nazi region but as long as they have there own little area to play in and don't go outside that I don't care

I thought this was a debate about brown source :(I hope you don't mean the MT army with the deletion...
Call to power
22-08-2005, 01:37
I hope you don't mean the MT army with the deletion...

yes them if it was against the rules to make a nazi region wouldn't mods handle it?

I don't mind Nazi's going on here with a name like Rommel but as soon as they post hate they can just leave
Laerod
22-08-2005, 01:44
yes them if it was against the rules to make a nazi region wouldn't mods handle it?

I don't mind Nazi's going on here with a name like Rommel but as soon as they post hate they can just leaveWhat the MT Army does is take over Nazi sites just as Nazis, Communists, and the occasional Jews do amongst eachother. I don't know how they go about it exacly, but then they let the region die and refound it so that they have founder status and keep it empty. It's not against the rules to do that, you can read it up.

Here's a region they've taken (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=Nazi%20Deutschland) as an example of what they do.
Call to power
22-08-2005, 01:47
What the MT Army does is take over Nazi sites just as Nazis, Communists, and the occasional Jews do amongst eachother. I don't know how they go about it exacly, but then they let the region die and refound it so that they have founder status and keep it empty. It's not against the rules to do that, you can read it up.

Here's a region they've taken (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=Nazi%20Deutschland) as an example of what they do.

so it's okay to invade a region because it's name sounds a bit "iffy" (not a nazi myself but I don't like the MT army)
Call to power
22-08-2005, 01:52
This region is owned by the MT army and will allways be a museum against nazis and fascism. Vippertooth33 shall live on to save nationstates from evil and regain the peace

1) fascism is a government (nazism is an extreme of it)

2) ohh look at me I'm Vippertooth33 watch me kill evil and save nation states (plays hero music)
Laerod
22-08-2005, 01:55
so it's okay to invade a region because it's name sounds a bit "iffy" (not a nazi myself but I don't like the MT army)It's perfectly alright to invade a region for whatever reason. It's part of the game. The only protection against it is keeping the region founder alive. It's mentioned here in the rules:
Can I invade other people's regions?
Yes. The practice of "region crashing," where a group of nations all move to a region with the aim of seizing the UN Delegate position, is part of the game. Certain groups within NationStates are particularly adroit at this, and can attack very quickly.
Laerod
22-08-2005, 02:01
1) fascism is a government (nazism is an extreme of it)

2) ohh look at me I'm Vippertooth33 watch me kill evil and save nation states (plays hero music)He's not "killing" them. Read his post in the thread that addresses the flags in Moderation.
And dogs and mammals aren't the same thing either...
Call to power
22-08-2005, 02:01
It's perfectly alright to invade a region for whatever reason. It's part of the game. The only protection against it is keeping the region founder alive. It's mentioned here in the rules:

I'd hardly think the MT army deserves are respect for invading regions who don't want to play there game (also the museum thing is kind of annoying what with hogging names and wasting data)
Laerod
22-08-2005, 02:09
I'd hardly think the MT army deserves are respect for invading regions who don't want to play there game (also the museum thing is kind of annoying what with hogging names and wasting data)
The post the MT Army made in the Flag thread shows that they're doing it because it's better than banning anything Nazi. And it's not like they don't invade regions that don't do any invading of their own, or that don't die on their own. (I've been monitoring that region for a bit because the founder actually dared to spread his bile in the general forum and got deleted for it. Everyone else left and the MT army took over)
Call to power
22-08-2005, 02:13
He's not "killing" them. Read his post in the thread that addresses the flags in Moderation.
And dogs and mammals aren't the same thing either...

wtf?
Laerod
22-08-2005, 02:18
wtf?The dogs and mammals referred to your fascism and nazism statement...
Call to power
22-08-2005, 02:21
The post the MT Army made in the Flag thread shows that they're doing it because it's better than banning anything Nazi.

Anything nazi isn’t banned?


And it's not like they don't invade regions that don't do any invading of their own,

I would like proof of this

or that don't die on their own. (I've been monitoring that region for a bit because the founder actually dared to spread his bile in the general forum and got deleted for it. Everyone else left and the MT army took over)

Really I was under the impression region crashing didn’t work like that
Call to power
22-08-2005, 02:22
The dogs and mammals referred to your fascism and nazism statement...

Well if that’s true then surely libertarians must want anarchy