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The video (http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com/anderson-vid.asp?c=kfc956eb) showing the cruel treatment of chickens. What do you all think about the video, KFC, and PETA? Should KFC give in to their demands, or has PETA gone overboard?

Normally, I find myself opposing the radical views and plans put forth by PETA, but this is an exception. After watching the video for the first time, I can safely say that I won't be handing any money to KFC until they show some major improvement. Which probably won't happen, seeing as how I'm only a single person and I never eat there anyway. As for vegetarianism, I'm a meat eater and always will be, but the way those chickens are slaughtered is wrong. They should at the very least be given a quick and relatively painless death.

The video (http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com/anderson-vid.asp?c=kfc956eb) showing the cruel treatment of chickens. What do you all think about the video, KFC, and PETA? Should KFC give in to their demands, or has PETA gone overboard?

Normally, I find myself opposing the radical views and plans put forth by PETA, but this is an exception. After watching the video for the first time, I can safely say that I won't be handing any money to KFC until they show some major improvement. Which probably won't happen, seeing as how I'm only a single person and I never eat there anyway. As for vegetarianism, I'm a meat eater and always will be, but the way those chickens are slaughtered is wrong. They should at the very least be given a quick and relatively painless death.

Probably not unique. You'll probably find all food processing companies do much the same.

Hasn't PETA always gone overboard?

Probably not unique. You'll probably find all food processing companies do much the same.

Probably, but I'm not aware of any videos revealing other companies' methods. Here's another KFC video (http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=mym2002&Player=wm&speed=_med) from the same website.

To me, Chickens are vegetables with feet.

I really don't give a crap about the suffering of chickens. As long as they're yummy, I'm happy.

However, I would like to mention that the part near the end with the workers kicking the chickens around like soccerballs and stomping on them as a form of amusement disturbs me. I hope these abusive workers are fired and/or charged with animal cruelty. Not because I care about the chickens. But this sort of behavior is at the very least sociopathic. I don't want sociopaths preparing my food. :p

Probably, but I'm not aware of any videos revealing other companies' methods. Here's another KFC video (http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=mym2002&Player=wm&speed=_med) from the same website.

It doesn't mean they don't have similar practices. It just doesn't get seen, that's all.

I think PETA is trying to turn us all into vegetarians and they need to get a life. As for the chickens, geez do you all know how stupid these particular animals are?? We had a few when I was growing up - we had to remove the water dish at night because it would occasionally get below freezing and the chickens would just stand in the water until it froze around their feet. We also had several who drowned because they were too stupid to remove their heads from less than 2 inches of water after they finished drinking.

It doesn't mean they don't have similar practices. It just doesn't get seen, that's all.

I know, so there's no evidence and nothing to show. Until there is, I won't stop buying their food. Chicken is delicious, I'm just against the pointless suffering the creatures endure, when it would only take a small effort to reduce. If I were going to be executed, I'd want an easy death, not torture.

I think PETA is trying to turn us all into vegetarians and they need to get a life. As for the chickens, geez do you all know how stupid these particular animals are?? We had a few when I was growing up - we had to remove the water dish at night because it would occasionally get below freezing and the chickens would just stand in the water until it froze around their feet. We also had several who drowned because they were too stupid to remove their heads from less than 2 inches of water after they finished drinking.

A meating eating PETA member would probably be classified as a heretic to be burned on a BBQ. :)

To me, Chickens are vegetables with feet.

I really don't give a crap about the suffering of chickens. As long as they're yummy, I'm happy.

However, I would like to mention that the part near the end with the workers kicking the chickens around like soccerballs and stomping on them as a form of amusement disturbs me. I hope these abusive workers are fired and/or charged with animal cruelty. Not because I care about the chickens. But this sort of behavior is at the very least sociopathic. I don't want sociopaths preparing my food. :p

I agree with you. I would also like to point out that animals are NOT people. End of story.

A meating eating PETA member would probably be classified as a heretic to be burned on a BBQ. :)


LOLOL :D

I know, so there's no evidence and nothing to show. Until there is, I won't stop buying their food. Chicken is delicious, I'm just against the pointless suffering the creatures endure, when it would only take a small effort to reduce. If I were going to be executed, I'd want an easy death, not torture.

I agree about torture vs fast death. These companies never show how they turn healthy animals into the meat we eat because it would be horrible viewing - and turn their customers away.

I'm from the political branch casually disdained by most of America as 'whiny leftie' - i.e. I am a Marxist-Leninist...but even I have to say, "Who cares? They're chickens!" It's perverse that people moan about cruelty to animals and complacently sit back while their government and its allies causes infinitely more cruelty to human beings.

I'll not be replying again to this thread - I just noticed it on the sidebar. Anyone wants me, tg me.

I know, so there's no evidence and nothing to show. Until there is, I won't stop buying their food. Chicken is delicious, I'm just against the pointless suffering the creatures endure, when it would only take a small effort to reduce. If I were going to be executed, I'd want an easy death, not torture.

Just remember, the chickens would do the same to us if they had the chance! *shifts eyes* :p

To worried about the Government kicking me and treating me like crap to worry to much about my Chicken Bucket Bits.

I'm from the political branch casually disdained by most of America as 'whiny leftie' - i.e. I am a Marxist-Leninist...but even I have to say, "Who cares? They're chickens!" It's perverse that people moan about cruelty to animals and complacently sit back while their government and its allies causes infinitely more cruelty to human beings.

I'll not be replying again to this thread - I just noticed it on the sidebar. Anyone wants me, tg me.

I agree with you, here. They're chickens, man.

Actually, the way chicken's get slaughtered in German slaughterhouses isn't all that appetizing either, but it's not intentionally cruel. As far as I know, they get stunned before their head gets cut off, though this all happens by machine...
Go omnivores! Never liked how Peta frowns upon using my teeth and digestive system properly...

I agree with you, here. They're chickens, man.Curr... just because they're chickens doesn't mean we can allow extreme cruelty. Animals may our source of food, but it's important they be treated right until they do die.

um personally i dont care how they treat my meal as long as i get to eat it so peta can go fuck its self for all i care. thats more or less because i dont support terrorism of any kind

Just remember, the chickens would do the same to us if they had the chance! *shifts eyes* :p

That's a scary thought. I saw a Pepsi commercial the other day, and this guy was trapped in a maze. Near the end, the camera zoomed out and there were giant rat scientists in lab coats observing the guy, jotting down notes. :p

channel 4 (UK) did a program (http://www.channel4.com/news/microsites/S/supermarket_secrets/index.html) recently showing similar practices in use for british chicken farmers, so this isn't a small problem but indicative of the factory farming meat production industry as a whole.
that said, watching more of the video, the uk chicken growers highlighted in that program weren't as bad as some of this :eek:

i do find it disgusting, to be honest - that we put these living things knowingly through such cruelty and pain just for profit shows the extent to which consumerism and the search for more money has taken over the world.


thankfully my parents happen to work in the farm direct sales industry so we often buy our food direct from the farm shop/farmers' market... though not often enough methinks



why has PETA "gone too far"? :confused:

Lies and distortions of truth, the PETA way!
They cut the beaks so they dont peck eachother to death. I have never seen a chicken house that crowded, and having been to a slaughter house I can tell you 1. the workers dont have time to be cruel to these animals. The line is moving and if they dont put the chickens on people down the line will notice, and they risk theyre job. 2. The hooks are simple loops. They are not hurt by the hooks anymore than your hurt by wearing a ankle harness if you were doing bungy jumping. 3. The chickens are always unconscious before they are killed. There is no way to get past the electrical unit that zaps them unconscious. 4. This one has to be my favorite... How can you be "cruel" to a chicken who has been electrocuted to unconsciousness & had its head cut off. What then was PETAs point about the boiling water to get the feathers off? 5. Anyoe who has EVER been to a kill plant knows these chickens have no problem getting around. Youll see some that get out of the cages somehow running around the outside of the plant. You see some sitting on the side of the road that got out of the cages while driving from the farm to the plant. None of them are sitting there unable to move as PETA alleges.


BTW- Simmons chicken, largest grower for KFC, customer of mine also, as well as Tyson, another customer of mine, have done alot to appease PETA. I wish they would just ignore the freaks since that is just as effective. PETA will not be happy till all of us are vegetarians. An example of what they do to make these clowns happy? When these trucks pull in, only moments before the Chickens are unloaded to be killed, the trailor is parked in front of large fans with misters that keep the chickens cool and comfortable. What is the purpose? The last chicken to be unloaded has less than an hour to live, yet your gonna make him comfortable? Ridicoulas IMO.

um personally i dont care how they treat my meal as long as i get to eat it so peta can go fuck its self for all i care. thats more or less because i dont support terrorism of any kindAnd mistreating animals isn't? The only reason you think its ok to mistreat animals is because Peta is for it? There's plenty other more peaceful groups that go against cruelty to animals. Kinda wrong to advocate cruelty and use Peta's extremism as an excuse.

That's a scary thought. I saw a Pepsi commercial the other day, and this guy was trapped in a maze. Near the end, the camera zoomed out and there were giant rat scientists in lab coats observing the guy, jotting down notes. :p
Oh is that what they were, the walls of the maze were so high I couldn't see out. ;)
Anyway,
cruelty to chickens: bad
those guys kicking those poor cluckers around: sick
cruelty to humans: worse, I'm afraid

Hahahaha, on the second video they are using a sound track of song birds when the chickens are being transported to slaughter, I have worked around chicken and know the sound they make, that is hilarious.

They count on people being completely ignorant of the animal entirely.
This video isnt for me, it is for some neoriche' c*ckbyt who has so little self validation he will swallow anyones cause.

And for being treated roughly-they sure do taste good, pass me a biscuit!!

thankfully my parents happen to work in the farm direct sales industry so we often buy our food direct from the farm shop/farmers' market... though not often enough methinks

why has PETA "gone too far"? :confused:

Seriously, if people are going to eat meat, buying farm fresh, free range, kosher or organic is probably going to contribute significantly to general animal welfare. I find it disconcerting that so many people think abusing any animal is okay--what sort of person condones kicking around a helpless chicken just because it's a "dumb animal"? What does that make the person doing the kicking, if not one sick bastard?

And then they switch it around and say PETA's gone too far by *showing* the practice--not that KFC has gone too far by allowing it to happen? Who's fault is that, really?

Curr... just because they're chickens doesn't mean we can allow extreme cruelty. Animals may our source of food, but it's important they be treated right until they do die.

True, but still...

*snip* why has PETA "gone too far"? :confused:

With this one they haven't. They're just sharing the information they collected, and backed it up with a video. Some things they do that I don't support? Spreading false information about vegetarianism, a warped sense of morals concerning animals versus humans, sabotage, arson, burglary, and other criminal activities. I'm not a big fan of PETA, but they did nothing wrong by raising awareness about animal cruelty through a video.

Seriously, if people are going to eat meat, buying farm fresh, free range, kosher or organic is probably going to contribute significantly to general animal welfare. I find it disconcerting that so many people think abusing any animal is okay--what sort of person condones kicking around a helpless chicken just because it's a "dumb animal"? What does that make the person doing the kicking, if not one sick bastard?

And then they switch it around and say PETA's gone too far by *showing* the practice--not that KFC has gone too far by allowing it to happen? Who's fault is that, really?
agreed wholeheartedly :)

though i wouldn't say orgainic is that great, to be honest... but thats just a pet peeve of mine


buy direct from the farm y'all, where you can see the chickens running around in the field as they should be, treated normally and with respect (as much respect as you can treat something you're going to kill and eat), where the prices generally match those of the supermarket (at least in the UK), and where the money you hand over for your chicken doesn't go into the pocket of some evil multinational but back into your local community! :)
and for the record, i mean small farms... buying direct from factory farms isn't going to help anything :rolleyes:

I agree with you, here. They're chickens, man.
so? does that mean they deserve to live in pain and in the most cruel conditions?
would you allow this to be done to dogs, cats, or fluffy bunny-rabbits, if it weren't "just" chickens?

With this one they haven't. They're just sharing the information they collected, and backed it up with a video. Some things they do that I don't support? Spreading false information about vegetarianism, a warped sense of morals concerning animals versus humans, sabotage, arson, burglary, and other criminal activities. I'm not a big fan of PETA, but they did nothing wrong by raising awareness about animal cruelty through a video.I agree wholeheartedly. PETA gives other animal rights activists a bad name. Has anyone seen the commercial with the singing cows discouraging using them for leather or meat? While it was cute, it made me shake my head. Let's use more plastics or crocodile leather instead of cows to make boots and belts, because that's what'll happen if we don't use cows.

Oh wow! The poor chickens! I'll never eat chicken again! [/sarcasm]

Really though, they're chickens. Even if they are treated like this by a few people, do you think that they are everywhere? I wouldn't be surprised if PETA staged this video, seeing how they are really desperate because nobody likes them.

Also, you guys can complain that a few chickens are dying in a way that, believe it or not, would probably be better than if they were killed in the wild(you ever see a Chicken get eaten by a wolf? *shudder*), but does PETA care that humans are suffering? In Niger, there is a famine. In Sudan everyone is hiding in refugee camps. Do they have time to worry about chickens?

Also, you guys can complain that a few chickens are dying in a way that, believe it or not, would probably be better than if they were killed in the wild(you ever see a Chicken get eaten by a wolf? *shudder*), but does PETA care that humans are suffering? In Niger, there is a famine. In Sudan everyone is hiding in refugee camps. Do they have time to worry about chickens?
Hm... Is it just me or does anyone else think that letting people starve in Niger isn't an excuse for being cruel to animals?

Probably, but I'm not aware of any videos revealing other companies' methods. Here's another KFC video (http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=mym2002&Player=wm&speed=_med) from the same website.
mmm chicken, mmm beef, mmm ham and bacon and black and white pudding, tasty!

Hm... Is it just me or does anyone else think that letting people starve in Niger isn't an excuse for being cruel to animals?

Children shouldn't starve in Niger, and no one should be cruel to anything. I think it's hypocritical of PETA to turn a blind eye while people are dying of starvation, and being brutally murdered for their beliefs, but when a cow dies, they go into a frenzy. It seems fairly obvious that many of them value people less than other animals. Sure, some humans are guilty of terrible things, and other creatures are for the most part innocent, but so are most people.

Ummmmm.... Wild animals do mean things to animals lower on the food chain as well..... But you never hear anyone whine about that.... It's a little thing called "the food chain." We were given canines and bicuspids for a reason.... And I'll be damned before any terrorist animal lovers will tell me I can't eat meat..... I don't even like KFC all that much anyway.. it should be called KFG... Kentucky Fried Greese.... GO POPEYES!

Children shouldn't starve in Niger, and no one should be cruel to anything. I think it's hypocritical of PETA to turn a blind eye while people are dying of starvation, and being brutally murdered for their beliefs, but when a cow dies, they go into a frenzy. It seems fairly obvious that many of them value people less than other animals. Sure, some humans are guilty of terrible things, and other creatures are for the most part innocent, but so are most people.I'm not defending Peta. I'd also be interested what Lightning Star has done for the people in Niger. I can't know, but if he or she hasn't done anything, they don't really have the right to condemn Peta for not doing anything.
Note that Niger was a failure for all of us, and not just animal rights activists, and Mali will probably be a failure for all of us if we don't do anything about it when we can still prevent the problem instead of curing the symptoms.

Ummmmm.... Wild animals do mean things to animals lower on the food chain as well..... But you never hear anyone whine about that.... It's a little thing called "the food chain." We were given canines and bicuspids for a reason.... And I'll be damned before any terrorist animal lovers will tell me I can't eat meat..... I don't even like KFC all that much anyway.. it should be called KFG... Kentucky Fried Greese.... GO POPEYES!

Hell yeah, some animals are savage and viciously rip apart their prey, but humans absolutely rape the food chain. We have a right to eat meat, we're supposed to eat meat, and nothing is wrong with eating meat. It's when people purposely torture other creatures, that's what's so f***ed up.

Oh wow! The poor chickens! I'll never eat chicken again! [/sarcasm]

Really though, they're chickens. Even if they are treated like this by a few people, do you think that they are everywhere? I wouldn't be surprised if PETA staged this video, seeing how they are really desperate because nobody likes them.

Also, you guys can complain that a few chickens are dying in a way that, believe it or not, would probably be better than if they were killed in the wild(you ever see a Chicken get eaten by a wolf? *shudder*), but does PETA care that humans are suffering? In Niger, there is a famine. In Sudan everyone is hiding in refugee camps. Do they have time to worry about chickens?

Hmm it's one of those "here's a problem that is more valid than yours ergo yours is completely without merit" arguments, which has the flaw that the second part isn't true.

What variables would you use to compare the Niger and Chicken cruelty problems - lets say you use human death and suffering over chicken death and suffering. As most humans you would no doubt choose the former as "more important". But that doesn't mean the other argument is "without merit" but rather it is "less pressing" than the first. Now the question is - what way will you change your behaviour to improve the current state in Niger. In fairness I doubt you have even thought about it - the loops and connections between you (an average consumer) and the current state of Niger are typically indirect and complex - but two possible ways to help come to mind (1)- buying fair trade/choosing which companies you give your money to, depending on their record in their dealings with these countries (Chiquita bananas anyone?) and (2) voting for politicians who actually care about countries whose trade and colonies built the foundations of our pedestals from which we can loftily view them. Ok the process will be long and drawn out, but eventually with enough people, maybe in 100 years there'll be a better future for the least developed countries. How I doubt that you would consider such lifelong behaviour change though, I doubt you're even interested in looking up those companies or those politicians.

Now lets look at the second argument - buying chickens from KFC maintains the cruel treatment of them - ergo stop buying from KFC -there still is the problem of chicken cruelty - and here these people have handed you a very concrete way with which to voice your concern - by voting with your feet and not buying from KFC. Yet you use petty arguments like "oh but there are bigger problems out there so I don't have to think about that one and still eat in KFC" yet can you honestly say you've actually ever lived in a way to combat any of your "greater problems" - charity does not count especially if it's a "once-off" - what's the point in living and voting the exact same and every christmas giving a small amount of cash to some humanitarian charity for a country when your country and its industries continue to exploit it unfairly through such things as subsidies and tariffs for FAR more than your charitable donation (and yet you can feel you've accomplished something) But, you can actually go and stop purchasing at KFC and actually change a concrete problem.But no doubt it's too much effort for you, or not convenient, what with all these other world problems that are taking up so much of your time....

The second argument - here cruelty to animals (while here it is chickens - could be cats or dogs for the amount of pain they feel is the exact same) is important because if this is how we let other humans treat creatures that are known to feel pain, suffer stress and other psychological ailments, yet are powerless to resist us, then what does that show us about ourselves? I read your wolf comment and, well, given that we have thoughts and feeling and know what it's like to feel pain, unlike a wolf, there's this little thing we (not wolves) invented called ethics - it gives us the choice not to be cruel (again unlike wolves which are just doing what comes natural...with their great prey species the chicken..?)- it's great you should look into it!

Therefore I argue that this argument has a great deal of merit, and comparing animal cruelty to another world problem does not invalidate animal cruelty, it's like saying that all fish should stop swimming because whales do it too? What kind of sense does that make. Isn't there enough room for both types of argument?
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<snip>That is an excellent post. Good job :)

Oh goodie, we're at the essay-writing stage already.

Probably not unique. You'll probably find all food processing companies do much the same.

That's why I don't eat fast food.

Other than that, I've seen this and I hate PETA because they criticize Jewish Kosher practices. Anti-semite bastards.

To me, Chickens are vegetables with feet.

I really don't give a crap about the suffering of chickens. As long as they're yummy, I'm happy.

However, I would like to mention that the part near the end with the workers kicking the chickens around like soccerballs and stomping on them as a form of amusement disturbs me. I hope these abusive workers are fired and/or charged with animal cruelty. Not because I care about the chickens. But this sort of behavior is at the very least sociopathic. I don't want sociopaths preparing my food. :p
*agrees*

I agree with you. I would also like to point out that animals are NOT people. End of story.

so that's how you condone this? sick. it doesn't make any difference that they're stupider than us- you wouldn't let someone get away with bullying the boy at school with dyslexia, would you?

I full heartedly believe that we need to treat animals better, MUCH better. However does PETA really believe everyone should become a vegetarian?

Humans are at the top of the food chain, we eat things below us. You don't see a Lion going out of its way to make a Gazelle more comfortable while she shreds it limb from limb.

We have evolved beyond that though, we should treat animals better, but not compromising our diets at the same time.

I never liked KFC too much anyway. McDonalds ftw!

I full heartedly believe that we need to treat animals better, MUCH better. However does PETA really believe everyone should become a vegetarian?Not just vegetarian, probably vegan. Means no fish, no eggs, not even anything that required egg to bake...

This kind of animal cruelty only disturbs me because it means the abuser has some violent tendencies that he needs to work out. I really couldn't care less about the chickens. I feel like I should care, but they aren't endangered, they don't have even dog-level intelligence, and they taste damn good with barbecue sauce. They're bred to be killed and slaughtered, so, unless they organize a revolt against their captors, I'll probably be more worried about the war in Iraq or terrorism in Britain than how a few chickens died.

Is it really that hard to just decapitate a chicken? I mean, do you really have to kick it around like some troglodytic brute? These people should be put in jail for a looooong time.

Not just vegetarian, probably vegan. Means no fish, no eggs, not even anything that required egg to bake...

...Awww hell nahhh

So we can all live off of protein pills the rest of our lives. PETA = Oppression

so that's how you condone this? sick. it doesn't make any difference that they're stupider than us- you wouldn't let someone get away with bullying the boy at school with dyslexia, would you?
he said they where not people he didn't mention intelligence.

KFC.... Yum Get me some more chicken!

...Awww hell nahhh

So we can all live off of protein pills the rest of our lives. PETA = OppressionPETA isn't oppressive. They aren't in power. ;)

PETA isn't oppressive. They aren't in power. ;)

Their goal is oppressive though, and god (or a high powered rifle) help us if they ever gain power.

It's not just the cruelty to the chickens that is concerning, modern facotry chickens have abirth to death cycle of 44 days, during that time their bones do not develop properly, neither do their muscles... the modern chicken has no flavour an is packed full of fat...Chickn used to be low in fat but modern birds are some of the most fat drenched meat you can buy...I only buy organic. :)

Kentucky fried tasty!

*Colonel Sanders pwns Colonel Corn*

(Colonel Corn was a PETA kids mascot for some time, whose adventures include "attacking the meaties in texas")

That's why I don't eat fast food.

Other than that, I've seen this and I hate PETA because they criticize Jewish Kosher practices. Anti-semite bastards.

http://www.jewfaq.org/peta.htm

get the facts - they didn't criticise Kosher practices, they criticised the people not keeping to the guidelines (both Kosher and national)

Also I'm curious - is being against a practice that you consider cruel such as preparing Kosher food (I'm against Halal preparation too) Anti-semitic - cause I know the term is under dispute, but is voicing your opinion on a food preparation guideline as cruel the equivalent to an irrational prejudice based on someone's ethnicity and/or religion? (Am I also an Islamophobe as well then?)

Is it really that hard to just decapitate a chicken? I mean, do you really have to kick it around like some troglodytic brute? These people should be put in jail for a looooong time.

Sick isn't it.... I was especially disturbed by the way they threw them into the crates
no wait it couldn't be! We actually agree on something - lol

This kind of animal cruelty only disturbs me because it means the abuser has some violent tendencies that he needs to work out. I really couldn't care less about the chickens. I feel like I should care, but they aren't endangered, they don't have even dog-level intelligence,

If something has the capacity to feel pain, does it matter how much intelligence it has? Cruelty is abhorrent, whether it is done to dogs, cats, rats, chicken, frogs, turtles or even insects and worms (these creatures feel pain too) - the point is the creature feels pain, which we as (supposedly) "intelligent" creatures can recognise and take measures to stop and/or minimise it. To intentionally cause pain, especially in helpless creatures, is vile.

The video (http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com/anderson-vid.asp?c=kfc956eb) showing the cruel treatment of chickens. What do you all think about the video, KFC, and PETA? Should KFC give in to their demands, or has PETA gone overboard?

Normally, I find myself opposing the radical views and plans put forth by PETA, but this is an exception. After watching the video for the first time, I can safely say that I won't be handing any money to KFC until they show some major improvement. Which probably won't happen, seeing as how I'm only a single person and I never eat there anyway. As for vegetarianism, I'm a meat eater and always will be, but the way those chickens are slaughtered is wrong. They should at the very least be given a quick and relatively painless death.
I think KFC needs to take some steps to reduce the level of cruelty these animals suffer, but since I don't patronize KFC joining any sort of boycott would be superfluous.

I think KFC needs to take some steps to reduce the level of cruelty these animals suffer, but since I don't patronize KFC joining any sort of boycott would be superfluous.I wouldn't be much use in a boycott either; I don't like fried chicken, so I don't eat there...

I wouldn't be much use in a boycott either; I don't like fried chicken, so I don't eat there...
I love homemade Southern fried chicken, but hardly ever get it anymore. :(

I love homemade Southern fried chicken, but hardly ever get it anymore. :(Homemade stuff is usually best anyway. I only go to fast food restaurants when I need food fast and because there isn't much I have to fear from it :p

Cutting off it's head is OK, but kicking it is cruel? That makes a lot of sense, I wonder if I could use that as a justification in an assault case.

"Well your honor, I was going to only cut off it's head!"
"Oh, well that's not so bad. Case dismissed!"
*gavel*

And did someone up there really mention something about being cruel to worms? Worms? WORMS? I just don't know how to respond to that. Just because something feels what you could call pain doesn't mean it will be a traumatic psychological experience for the thing. Animals are not humans, especially fucking worms. Worms like most animate beings, have rudimentary senses to detect light and damage. So what? A computer or robot can too, are you against cruelty to computers because you're going to call that "pain?" A human is worth infinitely more than a dumb animal, human suffering is far more horrific, and prevalent, and relevant, than the suffering of, I dunno, worms.

*shakes head* I can't believe some people's priorities. They'll berate fellow humans (causing possibly psychological trauma that will last years and have effects on chains of people and real events) for not remembering that "worms feel pain." What's next, bacteria feel pain? I bet they can sense when damage is being done to their cellular material. That's pain! OMG! I'll never use antibiotic soap again!

That KFC video was disturbing, just cut its damn head off. :(

I feel like clubbing a seal now.

I've raised chickens. They are the avian equivalent of goldfish. As long as they are delicious, and not raised in filthy places, how they are disposed is of little consequence to me.

That being said, for the sake of public health, there needs to be greater pressure on the raising of these chickens. If the environment is not clean, it could be potentially harmful for consumers. But that is my only concern.

Not to be rude, but how many of you have ever actually grown a SINGLE chicken?

I have. For ten years.

In fact, my father (I'm 15) grows for Perdue. Perdue is the largest chicken supplier to Wal-Mart and Chik-Fil-A and Outback Steakhouses.

Most of what is shown in this video is complete exceptions. And, a very small percentage of the chickens grown become lame. In a 50x500 barn, containing thirty-thousand chickens, only two hundred during the six-to-eight week growth period will become culls.

I have NEVER heard of breeder farms cutting off the chicken's beak. EVER. Case closed.

And, about PETA: PETA owns over fifty-percent shares of Outback Steakhouses. Now, how in the world are they to justify that?

Not to be rude, but how many of you have ever actually grown a SINGLE chicken?

I have. For ten years.

In fact, my father (I'm 15) grows for Perdue. Perdue is the largest chicken supplier to Wal-Mart and Chik-Fil-A and Outback Steakhouses.

Most of what is shown in this video is complete exceptions. And, a very small percentage of the chickens grown become lame. In a 50x500 barn, containing thirty-thousand chickens, only two hundred during the six-to-eight week growth period will become culls.

I have NEVER heard of breeder farms cutting off the chicken's beak. EVER. Case closed.

And, about PETA: PETA owns over fifty-percent shares of Outback Steakhouses. Now, how in the world are they to justify that?

PETA can justify it by saying their trying to control those steak houses lol
Personally I know this is pretty much needed I just wish those idiots in KFC would just shot the damn chikens rather then step on it or something like that

Cutting off it's head is OK, but kicking it is cruel? That makes a lot of sense, I wonder if I could use that as a justification in an assault case.

"Well your honor, I was going to only cut off it's head!"
"Oh, well that's not so bad. Case dismissed!"
*gavel*

And did someone up there really mention something about being cruel to worms? Worms? WORMS? I just don't know how to respond to that. Just because something feels what you could call pain doesn't mean it will be a traumatic psychological experience for the thing. Animals are not humans, especially fucking worms. Worms like most animate beings, have rudimentary senses to detect light and damage. So what? A computer or robot can too, are you against cruelty to computers because you're going to call that "pain?" A human is worth infinitely more than a dumb animal, human suffering is far more horrific, and prevalent, and relevant, than the suffering of, I dunno, worms.

*shakes head* I can't believe some people's priorities. They'll berate fellow humans (causing possibly psychological trauma that will last years and have effects on chains of people and real events) for not remembering that "worms feel pain." What's next, bacteria feel pain? I bet they can sense when damage is being done to their cellular material. That's pain! OMG! I'll never use antibiotic soap again!

worms have nervous systems and produce analgesic "pain-relief" compounds in response to a painful stimulus just as we do. Unless you can ask a worm, cat, dog, that's the best evidence you're gonna get - which before you mention it I know obviously you can't, and I know their sensory systems are mostly reactive, BUT they still can feel pain! Thus it is our moral imperative not to go out of our way to cause it, and minimise it in our daily lives.

We attach emotions to pain so we don't get into situations where we experience them again. We don't know if other animals do this, but one could hazard a guess that it's near impossible with worms' simple neural machinery, HOWEVER, they still can feel pain, they're just not so good at avoiding repeat occurences.

Bacteria don't produce analgesic compounds, nor do computers, your comparisons are unfounded - Humans, cats, dog, rats, fish, lobsters, insects and worms produce them - therefore they feel pain. To think otherwise for reasons such as "they can't talk, or are less intelligent" is presumptuous, flawed logic and arrogant.

It is our moral duty as thinking creatures to not deliberately cause pain in other animals where easily prevented or minimised.

worms have nervous systems and produce analgesic "pain-relief" compounds in response to a painful stimulus just as we do. Unless you can ask a worm, cat, dog, that's the best evidence you're gonna get - which before you mention it I know obviously you can't, and I know their sensory systems are mostly reactive, BUT they still can feel pain! Thus it is our moral imperative not to go out of our way to cause it, and minimise it in our daily lives.

We attach emotions to pain so we don't get into situations where we experience them again. We don't know if other animals do this, but one could hazard a guess that it's near impossible with worms' simple neural machinery, HOWEVER, they still can feel pain, they're just not so good at avoiding repeat occurences.

Bacteria don't produce analgesic compounds, nor do computers, your comparisons are unfounded - Humans, cats, dog, rats, fish, lobsters, insects and worms produce them - therefore they feel pain. To think otherwise for reasons such as "they can't talk, or are less intelligent" is presumptuous, flawed logic and arrogant.

It is our moral duty as thinking creatures to not deliberately cause pain in other animals where easily prevented or minimised.
pwned

pwned

I'll say, but there will always be those who do not believe we have an ethical duty to limit the pain and suffering of other creatures. Some are at least partial to certain animals, mainly those of 'higher intelligence' which often display human like feelings and/or functions. If we were incapable of thought, I would agree with them, as nothing else would matter except the prosperity of our species. However, we do think, we are aware, we know what pain and suffering feel like. It is only natural that we display compassion towards other living creatures that seem to be going through such unpleasantness. Those who don't care about tortured animals generally lack such an emotion. Some believe the 'lesser' creatures are incapable of suffering through pain, however, there is no such proof either way.

ya know a long time ago three were studies done on plants, how they responded in different enviroments, music and the like... if I remember correctly plants responded to this stimuli by amount of growth they did, now.. if this is the case and we eat plants as well.. well hell shouldnt we respect the plants and their need to flourish? no eating anything withouts its permisson... *starves*

To me, Chickens are vegetables with feet.

I really don't give a crap about the suffering of chickens. As long as they're yummy, I'm happy.

However, I would like to mention that the part near the end with the workers kicking the chickens around like soccerballs and stomping on them as a form of amusement disturbs me. I hope these abusive workers are fired and/or charged with animal cruelty. Not because I care about the chickens. But this sort of behavior is at the very least sociopathic. I don't want sociopaths preparing my food. :p

Agreed.

Well. I myself a semi socialist and I find no problem with this. As long as you make sure chickens don't die out it's alright. Who gives a shit as long as humans are fed?
Anyway, I don't agree with the last part about that. It's a bit fucking sick to do all the stuff people have described. I'll definetly be watching that movie when I get back on DSL.

so that's how you condone this? sick. it doesn't make any difference that they're stupider than us- you wouldn't let someone get away with bullying the boy at school with dyslexia, would you?



/butts in


Dyslexia is not a condition resulting from stupidity, rather it results from distorted images.


/butts out

and I know their sensory systems are mostly reactive, BUT they still can feel pain! Thus it is our moral imperative

I don't have a moral imperative to do things because you say. Because you think that's the way it is. Because you think all pain is evil. Anytime people start blabbing about moral imperatives to me is a sign that they have no reasonable argument and are trying to appeal to my sense of emotions through cheap manipulations and grandiose sentiments.

We attach emotions to pain so we don't get into situations where we experience them again.

And yet its not that simple. How many people have "attached" emotions to pain that doesn't do anything but cause them MORE pain, day in and day out? Answer: a lot more than worms or chickens.

Bacteria don't produce analgesic compounds, nor do computers, your comparisons are unfounded - Humans, cats, dog, rats, fish, lobsters, insects and worms produce them - therefore they feel pain. To think otherwise for reasons such as "they can't talk, or are less intelligent" is presumptuous, flawed logic and arrogant.

I see. So the basis of your 'moral imperative' are analgesic compound production? I'm bowled over with compassion for worms and chickens suddenly, no really I am. I never said they don't feel what you could call "pain" but then it's YOUR assumption, not mine, that pain is OMG evil.

As you say it's only the result of producing analgesic compounds. Only a response to keep from experiencing the same things again. You can't pull moral imperatives out of the fact that multicellular life has a more complex nervous system, nor can you convince me that I should be worrying about chicken cruelty when human beings are dying of starvation.

Of course with executing chickens they won't experience the same thing twice, anyway.

It is our moral duty as thinking creatures to not deliberately cause pain in other animals where easily prevented or minimised.

There you go again! You know what *I* think? I think it's chickens moral duty to die to feed us. Especially since we are wholly responsible for said chickens being raised in the first place, and that only because we want to eat them. And what if bacteria DOES feel pain? Let's say some new evidence turns up that lends itself toward that conclusion. What then? Will you go on moral tirades about antibacterial soap, or would you admit that sometimes you can't worry about things that are not... how did you put it... "thinking beings."

And whoever said that "pwned" crap... grow up. Seriously. That shit is just lame and annoying.

are we really talking about this? How chickens get abused before they get killed? What about wives and children who get abused by malicious fathers before they killed? I mean it's chickens, there really is a reason that there are more chickens than people, it's because we eat chickens, and eat their eggs. So why does it matter if we abuse them in the five seconds before they die anyway?

Hasn't PETA always gone overboard?

Yup. In case I recall correctly some Peta employees were convicted of 31 counts of felony animal abuse...www.petakills.com I think. They were dumping half-dead animals into a Grocery store dumpster. A LOT of Animals that people gave to peta (TO BE ADOPTED) were instead "put down".

Yup. In case I recall correctly some Peta employees were convicted of 31 counts of felony animal abuse...www.petakills.com I think. They were dumping half-dead animals into a Grocery store dumpster. A LOT of Animals that people gave to peta (TO BE ADOPTED) were instead "put down".No disrespect, but do you have a better source than petakills.com to back that up, please?

To me, Chickens are vegetables with feet.

I really don't give a crap about the suffering of chickens. As long as they're yummy, I'm happy.

However, I would like to mention that the part near the end with the workers kicking the chickens around like soccerballs and stomping on them as a form of amusement disturbs me. I hope these abusive workers are fired and/or charged with animal cruelty. Not because I care about the chickens. But this sort of behavior is at the very least sociopathic. I don't want sociopaths preparing my food. :p

What 'e said. Minus the bit about sociopaths. I find they give the food some extra oomph when they prepare it.

PETA dont hurt animals, hmm...ok lets think about that and try it.

No leather--check your shoes animal lovers--did a calf die for that fine pair of loafers? or heels? or sneakers?

No cotton--yes no cotton, displacing the natural habit and in many cases killing hundreds of natural animals because the change--as well as the efect it can have on migrating birds.

No meat-obviously

No vegetables grown on a farm--see cotton

No fruit grown in a grove--see cotton

What do you live in? a House--most likely wetlands or a swamp was destroyed to make your neighborhood--again with the local animals--migrating birds yaddayaddayadda

Apartment--see House--see cotton

DO you drive a car? bastard!!!--the steel mill pumping poison into the the plasitcs !!! the chemicals used in making auto glass--

Bicycle--aluminum!!! you want to poison us all dont you!!

Now we have an idea of what to do--we must live naked in the woods eating only what grows wild--but not too much!!! never again can we progress beyond...prey for all the fecking meat eating animals!!!!

PETA dont hurt animals, hmm...ok lets think about that and try it.I've heard about the leather and the meat, but please give a source for the other stuff.

No disrespect, but do you have a better source than petakills.com to back that up, please?
PETA employees face charges as CCF turns up the heat

Posted:7/19/2005 8:34:09 AM

Today (July 19) in a North Carolina courtroom, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals employees Adria Hinkle and Andrew Cook will face felony charges for allegedly killing healthy cats and dogs in the back of a PETA-owned van and abandoning their bodies in a grocery-store dumpster.
At the same time, the Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF) will turn up the heat on the animal activist group by running a full-page magazine advertisement in the current issue of U.S. News & World Report challenging PETA supporters to reconsider writing that next check to the Norfolk, VA animal-rights giant.

The food and ag watchdog group reports that PETA has been busy, perhaps trying to distract the media's attention from what will likely be an embarrassing trial.

The CCF reports last week the group renewed its ridiculous call for the town of Fishkill, NY to change its name -- a name that actually means "fish stream" in Dutch. "I don't know what's the matter with these people," the town's historian told The Poughkeepsie Journal. "I think they don't mind a lot of ridicule."

And PETA's new traveling "Animal Liberation" exhibition, modeled loosely on the group's horrifying "Holocaust On Your Plate" promotion, debuted in South Carolina. The ink is barely dry on PETA president Ingrid Newkirk's "apology" for her group's offensive mistreatment of Jewish Holocaust victims, and now PETA is trying to compare farm animals to African-American slaves and victims of civil-rights-era racism.

But as new stories surface about PETA's institutional animal-killing program, it's unlikely that the related furor will die down completely. The manager of the commercial property where Hinkle and Cook were arrested says he remembers nine other instances in the past 18 months when animal bodies were found in trash dumpsters his company owns.

According to the CCF, the carcasses were always found on Wednesdays (Hinkle and Cook were arrested after allegedly dumping dead animals on a Wednesday in June), and wrapped in the same kind of commercial-strength trash bags involved in the PETA case.

A Norfolk television news report says investigators may level additional charges against Hinkle and Cook. An Ahoskie, NC police sergeant told reporters: "The only person that can euthanize an animal in North Carolina is a licensed vet and they were not even supposed to be in possession of the drugs to euthanize animals."

And a Warren County, NC animal rescue group told reporters that it had no idea what happened to over 1,000 animals it transferred to PETA in recent years on the promise that they would be adopted.

"We had faith," a former shelter employee told The Warren Record. "This is PETA. They told us they were fostering, vetting, networking these animals. Isn't this deception? We believed in them."


http://www.supportiowasfarmers.org/activistnews/fullarticle.aspx?artid=503

Becoming Vegetarian is Human Evolution. I am Vegetarian, therefore, I am in a more advanced state of my evolvement and it is great to be one step ahead. ;)
All food companies kill animals in appalling ways, not just KFC. If anyone seen what I seen they would not eat meat of they were paid.
Vegetarians DO NOT EAT FISH and it irritates me hugely when fisheaters proclaim to be Vegetarian.
I feel good, I look good, I am healthy and strong, my brain is sharp and when I take anti-biotics....they work!

As a KFC cook, I would be very unhappy if everyone started boycotting KFC because it would probably get me fired. I would love for KFC to improve their slaughterhouses, but they're a corporation and that would cost money. So they obviously will never do it. In the mean time, I'll go with my current system of just breading and frying and not thinking about where the chickens came from.

Fun fact:
This morning at work I used 9 boxes of chicken for hungry consumers. Each box contain 12 bags of chicken. Each bag is a 16 piece and contains the dismembered parts of two chickens. (Fours legs, four breasts, etc...) Now with those figures, I cooked 216 chickens this morning. This is just one store that isn't even a million dollar unit for 11:00 - 4:00.

*tries to imagine something named a SLAUGHTERHOUSE as a humane place*
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*fails*

I like chicken. I eat a lot of chicken. Chicken is good. I don't like PETA. I don't eat PETA. PETA are crazy. :eek:

The film was nothing but propaganda. We are raising food here, not warm, fuzzy, furry pets. :(

http://www.supportiowasfarmers.org/activistnews/fullarticle.aspx?artid=503I'm sorry, but I have serious qualms about trusting websites for news (note that it was a post, not an article). I've been searching on news sites and all I found was articles about a PeTA guy interned in Zimbabwe and Pamela Anderson asking the Queen not to use bearskin hats for her guards...

I like chicken. I eat a lot of chicken. Chicken is good. I don't like PETA. I don't eat PETA. PETA are crazy. :eek:

The film was nothing but propaganda. We are raising food here, not warm, fuzzy, furry pets. :(No love for PeTA, but just because we'll eat them, doesn't mean we have to make their lives unnecessarily miserable until then. It's probably more likely that these are a few cases and not occuring everywhere; as someone else pointed out, things like that are unlikely to happen in the mainstream food business in America.

Becoming Vegetarian is Human Evolution. I am Vegetarian, therefore, I am in a more advanced state of my evolvement and it is great to be one step ahead. ;)
All food companies kill animals in appalling ways, not just KFC. If anyone seen what I seen they would not eat meat of they were paid.
Vegetarians DO NOT EAT FISH and it irritates me hugely when fisheaters proclaim to be Vegetarian.
I feel good, I look good, I am healthy and strong, my brain is sharp and when I take anti-biotics....they work!

Every vegetarian I see looks like they're on the verge of death. If you think becoming a vegetarian makes you "evolved" then let's throw you out against a sumo wrestler who's diet is mostly meat and fish and see how you par up.

Survival of the fittest baby.

Kentucky Fried Chicken, or anyone for that matter, is entitled to treat its property in any way it deems necessary. This includes chickens.

As much as the Baywatch Babe dislikes it, the KFC slaughterhouses aren't much different than any others I've seen. Killing large numbers of animals is never a pretty sight. I'm not sure humane and slaughter can be used in the same paragraph, let alone the same sentence. But we like eating animals, so I don't see much change ahead.

I usually just break the chicken's neck before I get it ready for cooking. Cutting the head off is just too messy.

To me, Chickens are vegetables with feet.

I really don't give a crap about the suffering of chickens. As long as they're yummy, I'm happy.

However, I would like to mention that the part near the end with the workers kicking the chickens around like soccerballs and stomping on them as a form of amusement disturbs me. I hope these abusive workers are fired and/or charged with animal cruelty. Not because I care about the chickens. But this sort of behavior is at the very least sociopathic. I don't want sociopaths preparing my food. :p

Given PETA's history I'll bet you a shiny nickle the video was staged by PETA.

PETA dont hurt animals, hmm...ok lets think about that and try it.

No leather--check your shoes animal lovers--did a calf die for that fine pair of loafers? or heels? or sneakers?

No cotton--yes no cotton, displacing the natural habit and in many cases killing hundreds of natural animals because the change--as well as the efect it can have on migrating birds.

No meat-obviously

No vegetables grown on a farm--see cotton

No fruit grown in a grove--see cotton

What do you live in? a House--most likely wetlands or a swamp was destroyed to make your neighborhood--again with the local animals--migrating birds yaddayaddayadda

Apartment--see House--see cotton

DO you drive a car? bastard!!!--the steel mill pumping poison into the the plasitcs !!! the chemicals used in making auto glass--

Bicycle--aluminum!!! you want to poison us all dont you!!

Now we have an idea of what to do--we must live naked in the woods eating only what grows wild--but not too much!!! never again can we progress beyond...prey for all the fecking meat eating animals!!!!
and this has what, exactly, to do with the issue of uneccesary cruelty to factory farmed chickens?

dont you just love it when somebody can't make a real arguement against something and goes off on a wild, blown-out-of-all-sensible-proportion ad hominem attack to cover up :rolleyes:

To be honest, if the animal is going to be used for food, I don't care what happens to it -- as long as it's sanitary by the time it reaches my plate.

Hm... Is it just me or does anyone else think that letting people starve in Niger isn't an excuse for being cruel to animals?
This is a point I made earlier, but I've just found two great arguements for doing more to treat animals better over here than people somewhere else:
http://www.strangecult.com/pisser/covers/supermananimals.jpg http://www.strangecult.com/pisser/covers/sb_hunger.jpg See? Not even Superman can do anything about hunger! :D

Becoming Vegetarian is Human Evolution. I am Vegetarian, therefore, I am in a more advanced state of my evolvement and it is great to be one step ahead. ;)
All food companies kill animals in appalling ways, not just KFC. If anyone seen what I seen they would not eat meat of they were paid.
Vegetarians DO NOT EAT FISH and it irritates me hugely when fisheaters proclaim to be Vegetarian.
I feel good, I look good, I am healthy and strong, my brain is sharp and when I take anti-biotics....they work!

Yes yes deep in the history of human evolution there was an offshoot of man that decided to forgo their omnivore ways and become vegitarian. There fossil record was lost and destroyed when they were killed by a band of particularily feirce rabbits.

Every vegetarian I see looks like they're on the verge of death. If you think becoming a vegetarian makes you "evolved" then let's throw you out against a sumo wrestler who's diet is mostly meat and fish and see how you par up.

Survival of the fittest baby.

Vegetarian was an old indian word for piss-poor hunter ;)

I'm sorry, but I have serious qualms about trusting websites for news (note that it was a post, not an article). I've been searching on news sites and all I found was articles about a PeTA guy interned in Zimbabwe and Pamela Anderson asking the Queen not to use bearskin hats for her guards...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159861,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160498,00.html

Yes yes deep in the history of human evolution there was an offshoot of man that decided to forgo their omnivore ways and become vegitarian. There fossil record was lost and destroyed when they were killed by a band of particularily feirce rabbits.


:D :D ;) :D

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159861,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160498,00.htmlAlthough I personally think Fox News is the conservative equivalent to Michael Moore's documentaries, I'll take it.

Note that it says "accused" and "charged" and not "convicted".
Yup. In case I recall correctly some Peta employees were convicted of 31 counts of felony animal abuse...

um...there chickens I really think an animal that's brain crashes if you draw a line on the floor really has any idea what's happening

has anyone here ever flicked a chicken’s neck on the side it keeps going :D

Should KFC give in to their demands, or has PETA gone overboard?

PETA is the very definition of overboard. Fuck PETA.

PETA is the very definition of overboard. Fuck PETA.And why?

PETA has proven to be a detached group of sociopaths who do not care about the animals they claim to be protecting. They also value the life of animals over the rights of a human being.

PETA lies about finding homes for pets only to kill them and dump their carcasses in a dumpster or a walk-in freezer.

PETA claims the slaughtering of chickens is worse than Auschwitz and every other instance of the Holocaust.

PETA uses front organizations and outright lies in their quest for "Animal Liberation." Which means no meat, no animal products, no pets, nothing.

PETA pays for the defense of eco-terrorists who commit arson and other crimes.

PETA attempts to buy controlling shares in restaurants like Outback Steakhouse so they can deliberately bankrupt them as part of their twisted and misanthropic crusade. The job loss that would be associated with such insanity is not even an afterthought with these psychos.

PETA ought to be classified as a terrorist group in America, which they are.

PETA has proven to be a detached group of sociopaths who do not care about the animals they claim to be protecting. They also value the life of animals over the rights of a human being.

PETA lies about finding homes for pets only to kill them and dump their carcasses in a dumpster or a walk-in freezer.

PETA claims the slaughtering of chickens is worse than Auschwitz and every other instance of the Holocaust.

PETA uses front organizations and outright lies in their quest for "Animal Liberation." Which means no meat, no animal products, no pets, nothing.

PETA pays for the defense of eco-terrorists who commit arson and other crimes.


PETA attempts to buy controlling shares in restaurants like Outback Steakhouse so they can deliberately bankrupt them as part of their twisted and misanthropic crusade. The job loss that would be associated with such insanity is not even an afterthought with these psychos.

PETA ought to be classified as a terrorist group in America, which they are.

Uh how can they not care about the animals they are supposedly protecting and at the same time value their lives more then people lol

I wouldn't exactly classify them as terrorists, but they are a group of people who need to stop trying to turn their beliefs into everyone's law.

In my opinion, they're nothing more than a group of people desperate to hold some sort of moral high ground. So now they can say: "You torture animals, we're the new liberators!!"

If they were out to pass a law that protected animals from excessive abuse before slaughter then fine that's great. However, they're out to cut us off from animals completely. These people are highly motivated towards a goal that is just idiotic.

The video (http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com/anderson-vid.asp?c=kfc956eb) showing the cruel treatment of chickens. What do you all think about the video, KFC, and PETA? Should KFC give in to their demands, or has PETA gone overboard?

Normally, I find myself opposing the radical views and plans put forth by PETA, but this is an exception. After watching the video for the first time, I can safely say that I won't be handing any money to KFC until they show some major improvement. Which probably won't happen, seeing as how I'm only a single person and I never eat there anyway. As for vegetarianism, I'm a meat eater and always will be, but the way those chickens are slaughtered is wrong. They should at the very least be given a quick and relatively painless death.

I'm adding KFC to my list of places to boycott. I'm not a vegetarian and never will be, but this is insane.

And why?
The memebers of PETA belive that abortion is a good thing, but that if one chicken finger is eatan, it is a holocaust.

Fuck PETA, and all it's members.

The memebers of PETA belive that abortion is a good thing, but that if one chicken finger is eatan, it is a holocaust.

Fuck PETA, and all it's members.

Wow. One of the few things in the world we can agree on.

Did you know of the 11 Secret Herbs and Spices is the puuuuuuuuuuuuuuure evil?