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Question For Feminists: Are kilts sexist?

Chomskyrion
21-08-2005, 02:58
I'm half-Scottish and while poking fun at militant, man-hating, anarcha-feminists, the idea occurred to me: Are kilts sexist?

I mean, only men can wear them, not women (aka "wymyn"). Or do you think their similarities to skirts makes them good feminism?

I told an Irishman I know that some feminists might consider kilts sexist and he said, "Oh, och, aye laddie. But where will they put their SPORRAN AND DIRK?!"

To which I replied, "Actually, I'm all for women wearing kilts. No underwear!"
Jenrak
21-08-2005, 03:02
I'm not a feminist (heck, I'm a dude), but I still picked one.
Vetalia
21-08-2005, 03:03
I don't think so. Kilts are more or less an ethnic tradition, and trying to change that to fit some radical agenda would be pretty insulting to an entire culture, and a lot worse than not allowing women to wear them.
Undelia
21-08-2005, 03:06
I don't think so. Kilts are more or less an ethnic tradition, and trying to change that to fit some radical agenda would be pretty insulting to an entire culture, and a lot worse than not allowing women to wear them.
Do you apply the same rule to the clothing that most Muslim women are required to wear?
Ashmoria
21-08-2005, 03:08
the question has never entered my head. real scotts in kilts are so masculine that it keeps all thoughts of sexism from being considered.

see? its happening again.

sexy, very sexy.
The Noble Men
21-08-2005, 03:08
As long as they wear them properly, I don't mind.

Scottish, btw.
Vetalia
21-08-2005, 03:11
Do you apply the same rule to the clothing that most Muslim women are required to wear?

Well, kilts aren't really the same thing...you can't be punished by law for not wearing one or subjected to horrible abuses under a despotic regime. However, if they want to wear it, let them.
Neaness
21-08-2005, 03:12
No, because it's stupid :D

I can't imagine even many militant feminists could argue that they're sexist.
SHAENDRA
21-08-2005, 03:14
Well, kilts aren't really the same thing...you can't be punished by law for not wearing one or subjected to horrible abuses under a despotic regime. However, if they want to wear it, let them.
As long as their is something under there besides his bagpipes,eh
Vetalia
21-08-2005, 03:16
As long as their is something under there besides his bagpipes,eh

Actually, that doesn't bother me too much. Besides, it's more comfortable without any kind of covering, so to speak.
Neaness
21-08-2005, 03:28
As long as their is something under there besides his bagpipes,eh

... Why would his bagpipes be under there? It doesn't work as an euphemism, either, because bagpipes have ... a lot of pipes.
[NS]Amestria
21-08-2005, 04:00
I'm half-Scottish and while poking fun at militant, man-hating, anarcha-feminists, the idea occurred to me: Are kilts sexist?

I mean, only men can wear them, not women (aka "wymyn"). Or do you think their similarities to skirts makes them good feminism?


Who cares? I think feminists have greater concerns then to reflect on a heritage of Scottish tribalism. Like equal pay and maternity leave!
Neaness
21-08-2005, 04:26
Amestria']Who cares? I think feminists have greater concerns then to reflect on a heritage of Scottish tribalism. Like equal pay and maternity leave!

Moment of complete seriousness: I am female. I consider myself a feminist. I want equality between the genders. So why don't men get paternity leave? (I'm aware this happens in some places, but AFAIK, it's not near as long.)
TearTheSkyOut
21-08-2005, 04:27
I think some guy trying to 'get away' with wearing a skirt by wearing a kilt is just stupid... you guys can't handle a REAL skirt or something? lol
I don't really think fashion should have anything to do with gender either... but meh, whatever it doesn't bother me to much (though it would be nice to see a cute guy in a SKIRT rather than trying to pull one off with a kilt >.>)

And I would, as well, hope femenists would have something better to focus on... then again... XD
Willamena
21-08-2005, 04:29
Um.. women wear kilts too.
Bedou
21-08-2005, 04:30
I'm half-Scottish and while poking fun at militant, man-hating, anarcha-feminists, the idea occurred to me: Are kilts sexist?

I mean, only men can wear them, not women (aka "wymyn"). Or do you think their similarities to skirts makes them good feminism?

I told an Irishman I know that some feminists might consider kilts sexist and he said, "Oh, och, aye laddie. But where will they put their SPORRAN AND DIRK?!"

To which I replied, "Actually, I'm all for women wearing kilts. No underwear!"
I refuse to reply-it is an asinine question.
I hope you are joking but i am certain some pig-faced Feminazi will read it and realize somehow the "Movement" must now deal with the Kilt situation.

I do want to address the fact that your Irish friend appearently talks with that shitty American attempting to sound Scottish accent, or even worse an American attepting to sound Irish but being to stupid to realize it is a shitty Scottish accent he is doing, I mean all he had to say next was "I givin err all sheees got cap'in she **** tayk much morrre".
Beam me up scotty this planet sucks.
Yeah, thats about it.
Zagat
21-08-2005, 04:31
So far as I can tell kilts are not capable of any form of discrimination, including sexism.

Females can of course wear kilts, although some people find be offended by their doing so.

So no, kilts are not sexist so far as I can tell.
Out On A Limb
21-08-2005, 04:36
Those are some ridiculous options. No, Kilts are not sexist. But catapulted from Scottish culture into other cultures that don't allow men to wear anything but pants they are very gender bendy.

Bring on the kilt.
Out On A Limb
21-08-2005, 04:39
[QUOTE=Zagat]Females can of course wear kilts, although some people find be offended by their doing so. QUOTE]

Women not being able to wear kilts or being looked down upon for wearing them is sexist. Usually for something to be sexist it requires action. Very few objects are inherantly sexist - it depends what meaning, importance and access is associated with them.
Riptide Monzarc
21-08-2005, 04:46
Do you apply the same rule to the clothing that most Muslim women are required to wear?

Arab women. Islam has little to do with the climate and culture of the people. I don't know if you've ever been to the Middle East, but it is a desert. Most of the customary clothing, even the HORRIBLE BURKHA, makes the climate more comfortable in a great many ways. So, yes, I would apply the same rule to the clothing that most Arabic people, women included, wear.
Zagat
21-08-2005, 04:47
Women not being able to wear kilts or being looked down upon for wearing them is sexist. Usually for something to be sexist it requires action. Very few objects are inherantly sexist - it depends what meaning, importance and access is associated with them.
Not being allowed to wear them would be sexist. Being looked down on for wearing one is not necessarily sexist (although not necessarily not sexist).
Saipea
21-08-2005, 04:58
Not being allowed to wear them would be sexist. Being looked down on for wearing one is not necessarily sexist (although not necessarily not sexist).

Exactly.Though for some reason, I selected "unsure"... I guess I was addressing the statement that "women can't where kilts" as opposed to the concept of kilts themselves.
Bedou
21-08-2005, 05:01
ok, lets be clear--women are not supposed to wear Kilts.
Now a Scot will tell you that, however traditionally if you arent Scottish MAN or WOMAN you shouldnt wear a Kilt--that plaid pattern is a family pattern--it is a symbol of your clan and your family.
It is disrespectful to wear a Kilt without understanding what you are really wearing.
Avarhierrim
21-08-2005, 06:00
its not sexist its sexy! :) another half-scot.
Tyma
21-08-2005, 06:56
I'm half-Scottish and while poking fun at militant, man-hating, anarcha-feminists, the idea occurred to me: Are kilts sexist?

I mean, only men can wear them, not women (aka "wymyn"). Or do you think their similarities to skirts makes them good feminism?

I told an Irishman I know that some feminists might consider kilts sexist and he said, "Oh, och, aye laddie. But where will they put their SPORRAN AND DIRK?!"

To which I replied, "Actually, I'm all for women wearing kilts. No underwear!"

Personally dont know why you would give a damn what Feminists think on any issue, let alone apparel. They are so full of hate for men no matter what you are wrong in their eyes anyhow :)
Avika
21-08-2005, 07:01
I see that uber-femenists tend to have a political adventage. Not just any femenists. It's the "let's all hate men" femenists trying to not only undo what femenists have accomplished, but also reverse and amplify it. They have yet to wage total war on cultural dress, where, if more choices means victory, the women have a clear advantage to the skirtless non-Scott men. Soon, civil faux pas wars will rage on in the streets of ideology. Perhaps this faux pas standoff will not start. Perhaps the uber'femenists will stop trying to speak for all femenists. Perhaps the male hierarchy will not be revived and mimmicked by the femenazis. Perhaps the wars of clothing will not enrage the very fabric of social faux order. Meanwhile, men remain skirtless and enjoy every moment of it.
Zagat
21-08-2005, 07:07
Tyma, The thread is about whether or not kilts are sexist, not the cons and pros of feminist movements, or variations there of.

Considering those wanting to discuss the merits or lack of merits of any particular feminists, or all feminsits, are welcome to start their own threads, your comments here, look suspiciously like trolling to me. They certainly do not appear to address the question, or add anything to about the subject to the content of this post, whilst at the same time appearing aimed at provoking off-topic responses.
Zanato
21-08-2005, 07:12
Heel nae, mah fellaw scottish brither. kilts shoods aye be fur men only, it is uir tradition an' tae break it fur some heavy feminist woods be terrible, Ah teel ye.
Tyma
21-08-2005, 07:26
Tyma, The thread is about whether or not kilts are sexist, not the cons and pros of feminist movements, or variations there of.

Considering those wanting to discuss the merits or lack of merits of any particular feminists, or all feminsits, are welcome to start their own threads, your comments here, look suspiciously like trolling to me. They certainly do not appear to address the question, or add anything to about the subject to the content of this post, whilst at the same time appearing aimed at provoking off-topic responses.

Lotta words used there when "shut up" essentially equals what you were meaning :)

As for feminist, it was brought in before my post :) They want to invade and take away everything men have and do.

bah, you win. Ill leave this alone. But Im not trolling. Im voicing my opinion
Zagat
21-08-2005, 07:27
Heel nae, mah fellaw scottish brither. kilts shoods aye be fur men only, it is uir tradition an' tae break it fur some heavy feminist woods be terrible, Ah teel ye.
aha, and to me this is the crux of the matter. Anyone capable of getting their hands on a kilt and dressing themselves, obviously can wear a kilt. If some people choose to disrespect the traditions associated with kilt wearing, other people can choose to disrespect such acts of disrespect. No one is being discriminated against, because everyone is free to act as they choose (in regards to kilt wearing) and free to respect or disrespect the manner in which others treat kilts.
Zanato
21-08-2005, 07:33
aha, and to me this is the crux of the matter. Anyone capable of getting their hands on a kilt and dressing themselves, obviously can wear a kilt. If some people choose to disrespect the traditions associated with kilt wearing, other people can choose to disrespect such acts of disrespect. No one is being discriminated against, because everyone is free to act as they choose (in regards to kilt wearing) and free to respect or disrespect the manner in which others treat kilts.

Ah hear ye, but ye can rest assured they will earn nane ay mah respect. kilts ur part ay uir culture, an' if a feminist ur anyain else tries tae tak' it awa' frae us, thaur will be heel tae pay.
Zagat
21-08-2005, 07:43
Ah hear ye, but ye can rest assured they will earn nane ay mah respect. kilts ur part ay uir culture, an' if a feminist ur anyain else tries tae tak' it awa' frae us, thaur will be heel tae pay.
No one can take kilts away from you, but if you are referring to appropriation, then I certainly understand your point. Somehow I dont think that kilts are in any particular danger of being appropriated by 'outside cultures', (although all cultural properties and insitutions always face some risk of appropriation, by virtue of cross cultural communication and interaction), and I definately doubt that feminists have any desire, need or intention to appropriate kilts in the near future (or ever for that matter)...

Of course I have been wrong before... hopefully for all proud Scots everywhere, this isnt one of those times... ;)
GalliamsBack
21-08-2005, 07:45
the real question is, WHY DO FEMINISTS STILL EXIST.
They got what they were after, and now I can't meke em do my laundry. They SHOULD be happy.
Tyma
21-08-2005, 08:12
the real question is, WHY DO FEMINISTS STILL EXIST.
They got what they were after, and now I can't meke em do my laundry. They SHOULD be happy.

Not really. Feminist is like racism

No rhyme or reason, just pure hatred. If the hard core fems ever got what they wanted the human race would be gone. (no matter what homo-sexuals like to think same sex reproduction doesnt happen with humans)

Feminists Rank up there with the KKK for their stupid irrational hatred of others based merely on how God made em. (same goes for any other hate groups like blackamericaweb posters)
Zanato
21-08-2005, 08:20
Not really. Feminist is like racism

No rhyme or reason, just pure hatred. If the hard core fems ever got what they wanted the human race would be gone. (no matter what homo-sexuals like to think same sex reproduction doesnt happen with humans)

Feminists Rank up there with the KKK for their stupid irrational hatred of others based merely on how God made em. (same goes for any other hate groups like blackamericaweb posters)

I agree completely. Let's see how long it takes for the goonsquad to bombard us with shrieking defiance and accuse us of being woman-haters. :p
Zagat
21-08-2005, 08:21
Tyma and Galliamsback, what have your comments got to do with kilts? Once again I cannot see that irrelevent hate comments about feminists is anything other than trolling. If you want to discuss feminists instead of kilts (and possible feminist attitudes to kilts) get a thread of your own. Preaching your anti feminist off topic hate in this thread is simply provoking people with other views to tell you where to go. Your comments are not relevent to the actual subject matter, and I cannot concieve how you dont imagine that given their irrelevency they will not be offensive and likely to provoke angry off-topic responses. How is that not trolling? :confused:
Zagat
21-08-2005, 08:23
I agree completely. Let's see how long it takes for the goonsquad to bombard us with shrieking defiance and accuse us of being woman-haters. :p
Great, so a perfectly interesting thread has now been taken over by troll'n'co...at least Zanato is honest enough about what he/she is up to... :rolleyes:
Tyma
21-08-2005, 08:28
Tyma and Galliamsback, what have your comments got to do with kilts? Once again I cannot see that irrelevent hate comments about feminists is anything other than trolling. If you want to discuss feminists instead of kilts (and possible feminist attitudes to kilts) get a thread of your own. Preaching your anti feminist off topic hate in this thread is simply provoking people with other views to tell you where to go. Your comments are not relevent to the actual subject matter, and I cannot concieve how you dont imagine that given their irrelevency they will not be offensive and likely to provoke angry off-topic responses. How is that not trolling? :confused:

Did you happen to read the title for this thread ? "Question For Feminists: Are kilts sexist? " So how the hell is talking about Feminists off topic ?

You need to relax, take a valium or something dude. But more important notice such things if you gonna bad mouth people as Trolling.
Tyma
21-08-2005, 08:29
Great, so a perfectly interesting thread has now been taken over by troll'n'co...at least Zanato is honest enough about what he/she is up to... :rolleyes:

You are one curious critter dude.. most odd
Poliwanacraca
21-08-2005, 08:34
Did you happen to read the title for this thread ? "Question For Feminists: Are kilts sexist? " So how the hell is talking about Feminists off topic ?


Well, let's see. Were you talking about kilts? No. Were you in any way commenting on possible feminist views of kilts? No. Were you, instead, just taking the opportunity to randomly insult all feminists? Yup. Sounds off-topic (if terribly predictable) to me.

And honestly, do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you compare feminists to KKK members, anyway?
Zagat
21-08-2005, 08:37
Did you happen to read the title for this thread ? "Question For Feminists: Are kilts sexist? " So how the hell is talking about Feminists off topic ?
The same way a post to the effect "the US should have stayed out of Iraq' would be off-topic in a thread titled 'Does the US import too many cars?'...the thread is about kilts (specifically feminist views about kilts) not about feminism. If you really wanted to discuss feminism (instead of making snide hit and run remarks) you'd start a thread about that, then you'd also have to put up with all the people equally interested in discussing it, but with opposing views arguing back.

Why post the comments here? I suspect because you dont feel your veiws would stand up to proper debate, so hit and run in thread meant for some other topic is the best you can do...

d to relax, take a valium or something dude. But more important notice such things if you gonna bad mouth people as Trolling.
How else would you describe utterly irrelevent comments, that you know are likely to cause offense to other posters and provoke those posters into angry response? Sounds like trolling to me. As for relaxing, I'm not the one who feels the need to disrupt conversations with hate rants about special interest groups.

You want to discuss feminisn (ie allow others to have their say), then open a thread about it. I cant help but think you dont want to discuss it. You simply want to post your views where others cannot reply without disrespecting those who actually want to discuss what this thread is about, hence the hit and run tactics.
Vespoidea
21-08-2005, 08:42
i say, each to their own and does anyone really give a damn what anyone else thinks? because anyone who cant respect another persons choices is not worth giving a damn about. am i right?!? :)
Tyma
21-08-2005, 08:46
The same way a post to the effect "the US should have stayed out of Iraq' would be off-topic in a thread titled 'Does the US import too many cars?'...the thread is about kilts (specifically feminist views about kilts) not about feminism. If you really wanted to discuss feminism (instead of making snide hit and run remarks) you'd start a thread about that, then you'd also have to put up with all the people equally interested in discussing it, but with opposing views arguing back.

Why post the comments here? I suspect because you dont feel your veiws would stand up to proper debate, so hit and run in thread meant for some other topic is the best you can do...


How else would you describe utterly irrelevent comments, that you know are likely to cause offense to other posters and provoke those posters into angry response? Sounds like trolling to me. As for relaxing, I'm not the one who feels the need to disrupt conversations with hate rants about special interest groups.

You want to discuss feminisn (ie allow others to have their say), then open a thread about it. I cant help but think you dont want to discuss it. You simply want to post your views where others cannot reply without disrespecting those who actually want to discuss what this thread is about, hence the hit and run tactics.

Wow. you are a master at using a lotta words to essentially say nothing. And quite adept at avoiding the point I put forward that the very topic of this thread brought feminism into the equation.

Again I would say chill, before you burst a vain. And just let the convo go as it will. We are disrupting the intent of the thread more with our debating if it fits then my initial comment ever would have on its own.
Tyma
21-08-2005, 08:50
i say, each to their own and does anyone really give a damn what anyone else thinks? because anyone who cant respect another persons choices is not worth giving a damn about. am i right?!? :)

uhoh, you will likely get reported too. You didnt adhere to the strict guidlies of the thread :(

:P
Zagat
21-08-2005, 08:52
Wow. you are a master at using a lotta words to essentially say nothing. And quite adept at avoiding the point I put forward that the very topic of this thread brought feminism into the equation.

Again I would say chill, before you burst a vain. And just let the convo go as it will. We are disrupting the intent of the thread more with our debating if it fits then my initial comment ever would have on its own.
The topic is not about feminists, it is about the views feminists might have on kilts. I have not avoided the point about the thread being about feminists, because the thread is not about feminists. It is about feminist views on kilts. Unless your comments relate to kilts they are off-topic, and so at best you are spamming. Since your spam is also likely to offend others and provoke angry responses, it's trolling, plain and simple.

If you didnt want to get people unhappy and off-topic, you wouldnt have commented as you did. You clearly have a bee in your bonnet about feminists. Fine, but that doesnt justify or excuse either spamming or trolling.
Vespoidea
21-08-2005, 09:15
technically i think i did adhere to the rules. if you actually look at what i said i was on topic. and if it needs to be put again in even more baby language then i was saying that everyone has a right to wear whatever they want. and everyone has a right to an opinion. whether people choose to listen to someone elses close minded opinion is up to the individual. there. get it? :rolleyes:
Tyma
21-08-2005, 09:26
technically i think i did adhere to the rules. if you actually look at what i said i was on topic. and if it needs to be put again in even more baby language then i was saying that everyone has a right to wear whatever they want. and everyone has a right to an opinion. whether people choose to listen to someone elses close minded opinion is up to the individual. there. get it? :rolleyes:

Well is in the MODs hands now, Zagat went running to gripe cause i dared to have a differing view.

We shall see how it goes. But that is a lame move in a discussion however you slice it.
Zagat
21-08-2005, 09:26
technically i think i did adhere to the rules. if you actually look at what i said i was on topic. and if it needs to be put again in even more baby language then i was saying that everyone has a right to wear whatever they want. and everyone has a right to an opinion. whether people choose to listen to someone elses close minded opinion is up to the individual. there. get it? :rolleyes:
I agree, people can wear them and if that offends other people because it is disrespectful, then those people can choose to not respect them in turn.

As for being on topic, if it makes you feel better, I'm fairly confident the comments were not actually directed at you personally, but rather were a 'side-dig' at another poster. ;)
Vespoidea
21-08-2005, 09:33
well whatever. makes you wish you didnt voice ur own opinion!
Tyma
21-08-2005, 09:37
well whatever. makes you wish you didnt voice ur own opinion!

Not really, if the mods side with Zag then Im banned. no biggie.

Since Id prefer to post at a site which doesnt cater to just one clan.
Vespoidea
21-08-2005, 09:40
oh and btw i'm female, and consider myself to be slightly pro women but i do agree with some of the feminist bashing comments that are going on. i know i'm slightly off topic but ask any woman about the bad feminists and i think evey single one will want to slap them in the face and tell em to shut up before they do more damage than good.

also men in kilts sexy as hell. unless they're all geeky! lol
Americai
21-08-2005, 09:44
I'm half-Scottish and while poking fun at militant, man-hating, anarcha-feminists, the idea occurred to me: Are kilts sexist?

I mean, only men can wear them, not women (aka "wymyn"). Or do you think their similarities to skirts makes them good feminism?

I told an Irishman I know that some feminists might consider kilts sexist and he said, "Oh, och, aye laddie. But where will they put their SPORRAN AND DIRK?!"

To which I replied, "Actually, I'm all for women wearing kilts. No underwear!"

Dude, all I know is feminist won't be happy till all men have had their tubes tied. The hell do you care anyway?
ChuChulainn
21-08-2005, 11:02
I'm half-Scottish and while poking fun at militant, man-hating, anarcha-feminists, the idea occurred to me: Are kilts sexist?

I mean, only men can wear them, not women (aka "wymyn"). Or do you think their similarities to skirts makes them good feminism?

I told an Irishman I know that some feminists might consider kilts sexist and he said, "Oh, och, aye laddie. But where will they put their SPORRAN AND DIRK?!"

To which I replied, "Actually, I'm all for women wearing kilts. No underwear!"

Since when do you need to have a dick to wear a small pouch at the front of your kilt and a knife at your sock? I dont understand why it would be physically impossible for women in the eyes of your "irish" friend
BackwoodsSquatches
21-08-2005, 11:09
Im not scottish, but I do go to a Ren Fest every year, and the people there take kilt wearing very seriously.
In fact, they take it so seriously, that if you wear one(and I do), that members of the Wenches Guild, will often "kilt check" you..to make sure you are "regimental".

Wich basically means you better not be wearing underwear of any kind.

There are worse fates that having a bawdy large breasted woman run her hand along your thigh, checking for undergarments.

Kilt, sash, sporran, (dirks arent allowed), a brooch, and a kilt-pin.....its mandatory.

As for women..they wear them too.

Womens kilts are longer, and come about six inches above the ground, but they wear em.

I used to think that they were fairly sissy, until I actually wore one.

No garment is manlier to wear than a kilt.

Its true.
The Divine Ruler
21-08-2005, 11:50
Not really. Feminist is like racism
No rhyme or reason, just pure hatred. If the hard core fems ever got what they wanted the human race would be gone. (no matter what homo-sexuals like to think same sex reproduction doesnt happen with humans)
Feminists Rank up there with the KKK for their stupid irrational hatred of others based merely on how God made em. (same goes for any other hate groups like blackamericaweb posters)

That's the most ridiculous post I've seen in a long time.I'm not a feminist, I think it's a bit of a stupid idea but I can at least see the reasoning behind it, even if it is slightly twisted logic.
Anyway...my school uniform at an all girls school consists of kilts. Ditto another all girls school in my town. In fact I know of about 15 English schools where girls wear kilts. So I think the original post is slightly flawed, in that kilts are no longer just for men.
QuentinTarantino
21-08-2005, 12:00
Im not scottish, but I do go to a Ren Fest every year, and the people there take kilt wearing very seriously.
In fact, they take it so seriously, that if you wear one(and I do), that members of the Wenches Guild, will often "kilt check" you..to make sure you are "regimental".

Wich basically means you better not be wearing underwear of any kind.

There are worse fates that having a bawdy large breasted woman run her hand along your thigh, checking for undergarments.

Kilt, sash, sporran, (dirks arent allowed), a brooch, and a kilt-pin.....its mandatory.

As for women..they wear them too.

Womens kilts are longer, and come about six inches above the ground, but they wear em.

I used to think that they were fairly sissy, until I actually wore one.

No garment is manlier to wear than a kilt.

Its true.

The men get to check the women if there wearing undergarments right? Otherwise its just plain sexism.

Anyway, isn't it cold wearing a kilt?
BackwoodsSquatches
21-08-2005, 12:02
The men get to check the women if there wearing undergarments right? Otherwise its just plain sexism.

Anyway, isn't it cold wearing a kilt?


No..the women get to check the men...and then men dont usually mind.
However, its only done with mutual consent.

Cold?

Not in August.
ChuChulainn
21-08-2005, 12:05
The men get to check the women if there wearing undergarments right? Otherwise its just plain sexism.

Anyway, isn't it cold wearing a kilt?

Yeah it can get a bit cold but in winter but in summer you can just spread your knees and feel the breeze :p
Dragons Bay
21-08-2005, 12:06
:( Why would kilts be sexist?
Zagat
21-08-2005, 12:13
:( Why would kilts be sexist?
I believe the premise that women are not supposed (traditionally) to wear kilts is the reason it was considered they might be sexist. So far as I can most posters appear to think that they are not sexist; a few have pointed out people can disrespect tradition and go ahead and wear them, but offended people can equally disrespect any such 'non traditional kilt-wearers', so everyone seems to be on equal footing.
Froudland
21-08-2005, 12:14
I hate to drop this bombshell, but women can and do wear kilts - my school uniform was a kilt for the girls and trousers for the boys! I went to a school founded by King James, called, funnily enough, King James's School!

I don't think the use of the kilt in Scotland is sexist, it's just one of those traditions. Unless of course women are scorned or arrested or something for wearing a kilt, in which case that is an entirely sexist attitude! I think it's good to see men happy to wear kilts, many men would see it as merely a skirt and therefore not appropriate for men to wear - macho men with no personality or brain cells who are totally insecure with their sexuality.
[NS]Amestria
21-08-2005, 12:19
The topic is not about feminists, it is about the views feminists might have on kilts. I have not avoided the point about the thread being about feminists, because the thread is not about feminists. It is about feminist views on kilts.


As a feminist I have nothing against kilts, nor does the feminist movement have an opinon on kilts, nor do we have any intention of forming an opinon on kilts.

My own personal opinon is that kilts are nice (one of my friends is of Scottish ancestory and occasionaly wears one).
Dragons Bay
21-08-2005, 12:26
I believe the premise that women are not supposed (traditionally) to wear kilts is the reason it was considered they might be sexist. So far as I can most posters appear to think that they are not sexist; a few have pointed out people can disrespect tradition and go ahead and wear them, but offended people can equally disrespect any such 'non traditional kilt-wearers', so everyone seems to be on equal footing.

Ci seen. It's part of the culture! Why? Does wearing kilts give you additional priorities?
ChuChulainn
21-08-2005, 12:27
Ci seen. It's part of the culture! Why? Does wearing kilts give you additional priorities?

Its a traditional outfit mostly worn on special occassions and shows what family you come from but it doesnt give you anything special other than easier flashing
Zagat
21-08-2005, 12:54
Ci seen. It's part of the culture! Why? Does wearing kilts give you additional priorities?
Well I'm in no way or shape an expert on kilts, but I understand (as another poster pointed out) that the kilts patterns are associated with particular families/clans. I suppose it would be offensive for some people to see kilts worn 'inappropriately' in the same way that some people would be offended to see their national flag mistreated, or in the same way some people would feel if they saw someone treating a nun's habit in a disrespectful manner...however I'm really just speculating based on the limited knowledge that many Scottish people feel strongly about kilts and their associations to particular clans.
Dragons Bay
21-08-2005, 12:58
In other words, kilts are for demonstration, not for special previleges. In other words, kilts-for-men is not sexist. :rolleyes:
Smecks
21-08-2005, 13:04
that would be a no from me

but thats because I'm anti-feminist
Zagat
21-08-2005, 13:07
In other words, kilts are for demonstration, not for special previleges. In other words, kilts-for-men is not sexist. :rolleyes:
So far as I can tell, that seems to be the sentiment of most of the posters. I'm kind of thinking the original intention of the poster who started the thread was light-hearted rather than an actual concern regarding the possible sexism of kilts... ;)
Tarakaze
21-08-2005, 13:36
I hate to drop this bombshell, but women can and do wear kilts - my school uniform was a kilt for the girls and trousers for the boys! I went to a school founded by King James, called, funnily enough, King James's School!

Kilts for the girls and trousers for the boys in my school too.
Jakutopia
21-08-2005, 13:46
the question has never entered my head. real scotts in kilts are so masculine that it keeps all thoughts of sexism from being considered.

see? its happening again.

sexy, very sexy.

I couldn't agree more Ashmoria - bring on the kilts! Nothing sexier than a Scotsman in a kilt unless it's a Scotsman in a kilt talking in that lovely accent :D
Zanato
21-08-2005, 13:59
I couldn't agree more Ashmoria - bring on the kilts! Nothing sexier than a Scotsman in a kilt unless it's a Scotsman in a kilt talking in that lovely accent :D

Ah am talkin' wi' th' scottish accent. och yeah, bairn, aam sae sexy. unfortunately Ah dinnae hae mah kilt oan.