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Is America really the land of the free?

No. Everything has to be paid for by someone. Something might be free for you, but someone else had to pay for it, so its not really free.

No, but that's a good thing. Total freedom would be too corrupt. No freedom is too corrupt. Freedom, but not too much....you've got yourself a democracy.


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The Armed Republic Of Cruel Tyrany

Freedom does not exist.

No, but that's a good thing. Total freedom would be too corrupt. No freedom is too corrupt. Freedom, but not too much....you've got yourself a democracy.


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The Armed Republic Of Cruel Tyrany

Huh? :confused:

The free don't need land. *nod* :)

The free don't need land. *nod* :)Hm... mebbe you should see a doctor. Methinks you have a neurotic disorder, since you nod every time you make a post :D

Question: what's the opposite of "freedom" ("unfreedom" does not exist, does it?)?

Huh? :confused:He makes a valid point. Total freedom is anarchy with the stronger making rules eventually while no freedom isn't all that much fun either.

He makes a valid point. Total freedom is anarchy with the stronger making rules eventually while no freedom isn't all that much fun either.

Oh right i got confused and thought he meant that no freedom can ever be too corrupt.......if you know what i mean

Huh? :confused:

I stabbed your family and kill everyone. No laws would exist, otherwise that would infringe 'full freedom'.

In other words, anarchy.

Question: what's the opposite of "freedom"?
The Patriot Act?

Hm... mebbe you should see a doctor. Methinks you have a neurotic disorder, since you nod every time you make a post :D

It's just one more condition to add to the list. *nod* :D

Question: what's the opposite of "freedom" ("unfreedom" does not exist, does it?)?

Oppression I believe.

A place where you can't drink until 21 or have sex until 18? Freedom? Meh.

A place where you can't drink until 21 or have sex until 18? Freedom? Meh.
Muahahaha! :D
Makes me glad I live in Germany. I'll gladly trade any 16 year driving age for a 16 year alcohol consumption and a 14 year sex eligibility : ;)

The Patriot Act?

:D :D very good answer. *applause*

Muahahaha! :D
Makes me glad I live in Germany. I'll gladly trade any 16 year driving age for a 16 year alcohol consumption and a 14 year sex eligibility : ;)


Laerod, do they ask for your ID in Germany if you want to buy alcohol?

A place where you can't drink until 21 or have sex until 18? Freedom? Meh.

I don't think that "18" rule really stops anyone, unless the other person is well... much older...

Anyway yes, I believe we are the land of the free, both by tradition and present status. I mean honestly, those that disagree with the government, can voice their opinions...and many do...on this website...in the public areas...and can be quite vulgar at times...

Question: what's the opposite of "freedom" ("unfreedom" does not exist, does it?)?
It's called "oppression".

Laerod, do they ask for your ID in Germany if you want to buy alcohol?Depends on the store. They're supposed to, but I've seen 12 year olds drunk. The government has put a tax on the more popular and tasty mixes to reduce the likelyhood of juveniles buying it (which has worked a bit).

I agree theres no Freedom

I've seen 9 year olds buying two bottles of vodka... :(

("unfreedom" does not exist, does it?)?

Double plus ungood!

I agree theres no Freedom
Even if there was legal freedom, many Americans (USAians) would find it difficult to free themselves from bias/media/pressures/etc which (imo) do most of the 'governing' anyways O.o

"unfreedom"?!?
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Seriously, "unfreedom"?!?

Hey, I have a question...
Is Poland the land of the free?

Question: what's the opposite of "freedom" ("unfreedom" does not exist, does it?)?Slavery.

Hahahah at least in America you can get away with drinking underage their are some nations that'll catch you in 5 minutes and then flog you

America is indeed the land of the free. You are free to do as you wish and law enforcement is free to do it's job if you break the law. (Damn them murder laws)

If there is no freedom why are you using the word? Thats incoherent, clearly there is some meaning behind the term in some sense however twisted from common perception it may be.

America is the land of civil political freedoms, not civil social freedoms, but a choice political freedoms mostly based on archaic christian morality. Morals are proved useless. "Thou shalt not kill" - yet we support many different wars, "Thou shalt not steal" yet stealing can be done in good grace, etc. You aren't allowed to have abortions when it is your own body, yet you are allowed to carry guns because you deam that a civil liberty. American society is restricted but in theory expression is not as you deam society to be more important than the individual yet expression of how poor you've made it more important than society.

Quite an Irony for a country that is unable to produce a single good work of satire in non-cartoon form.

In truth their is no such thing as freedom in any country at least total freedom the only way that would happen is in a government that doesn't do anything and lets people shoot each other and sits back and relaxes....
hmmm actually were pretty close to achieving total freedom :)

Quite an Irony for a country that is unable to produce a single good work of satire in non-cartoon form.Ach, before there was television, there wasn't much else to satirize with besides print media. I'd consider the Daily Show a good work of satire. (And please don't say that America has never produced a good work of satire before, which I think your wording implies. Mark Twain was a GOD!)

Thats completel rubish though isn't it? We were free before governments, yet we've chosen to have them instead of doing that, so government is a man made thing, is it not, and then clearly with the freedom we choose not to go around shooting each other.

Anarchism would simply be a state of the rebirth of government, true anarchism could not really exist as there will be always be unwritten codes of conduct which (see the operative word here) govern social interaction. Anarchism is a pragmatic sense would just be less red tape. Maybe you should read some Marx, the man get's it all wrong for developed coutnries (hey im hapy in the fetishism of commodoities and I don't feel opressed by the system of distribution) but what he says about man as a social animal and how competetive systems often make us violent disproves a lot of the jabs made at anarchism.

The only real problem with it is that we'd all much rather be happy than free.

I do not think the US is particularly free. Under ordinary conditions you cannot even borrow a simple library book in the confidence that it will remain a confidential transaction between yourself and the library.

Ok I revise that statement... America can't produce a good work of Satire in televised non-cartoon form. To be honest I find your modernist writing intensely dull though I spose it did a lot to advance the art.

I do not think the US is particularly free. Under ordinary conditions you cannot even borrow a simple library book in the confidence that it will remain a confidential transaction between yourself and the library.
That has to do with your right to privacy, if you really care about whether or not the government sees if you take out a suspicious book. You are still free to borrow whatever book you wish.

Ok I revise that statement... America can't produce a good work of Satire in televised non-cartoon form. To be honest I find your modernist writing intensely dull though I spose it did a lot to advance the art.I can live with that statement :D

Is America really the land of the free?

Yes!

Next question.

Yeah, no one wants to tackle my question.

Next question.
Come on Eut, you know they're implying that you'd answer "why"...

Come on Eut, you know they're implying that you'd answer "why"...
Yeah, but I like being difficult that way. :D

That has to do with your right to privacy, if you really care about whether or not the government sees if you take out a suspicious book. You are still free to borrow whatever book you wish.
Privacy is a part of freedom. I state you are not free to borrow the book with the confidence that your privacy shall not as a result be subject to some form of intrusion. An intrusion by it's very nature is an interference in freedom. Privacy is itself an aspect of freedom, so any interference in one's privacy is in effect an interference in their freedom.

If America is the "land of the free", I want to add some more lands of the free: Great Britain, Ireland, Iceland, Spain, France, Germany, Italy, Austria, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Switzerland, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, the Benelux-countries, the beltic countries, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Hungary, Greece, Croatia, Cyprus, Portugal, ...

Yes, it really is the land of the free.

But we'll need your credit card number...just to verify your ID....we promise nothing will be charged to it...

I just came from another thread ("Kelo vs London...", and I have to suggest having found out that some developer can take your land off you forcably because they can convince someone that eventually their use for your land will yeild higher tax revenues, that free land if you know the right people, might be more accurate as a description of the US, then land of the free is.

No, it has abandoned those Anglo-Saxon traditions of free and just governance on which it was built. Shame really, oh well. Also too many bloody Christians.