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Graffitti is art most of thoose stuck up city officials dont know wats art yes i know SOME of it is just words but the good ones are beutiful. take New York City Subway There used 2 be graffitti all over them yes it was getting outta hand but now the art sux.

wat u think

first off, the english languange is also an art. learn to appreciate it. second, I agree that graffiti is indeed art. the problem is not the substance material (usually), but rather the method. Most people just don't like seeing graffiti sprayed everywhere, be it on public or private property. Graffiti has the unfortunate connotation of an area that is rather - to use a less-than-technical term - ghetto. I know i'd be pissed if I put a wall around my house (reasons are irrelevant) and within a couple of weeks some kids thought it would be fun to impose their art on my private property. That is the chief problem.

first of all i dont give a pardon my japaneese but s**t about proper english also its wat i like 2 call free decoration

alright. free decoration. how would you feel if i just walked into your house and started changing things to suit myself? repainting walls, etc. I agree that it is art, and every time I see good graffiti I try to take a picture of it. again, the illegality lies in that the tagging is done on private property, and as long is that is true, graffiti will continued to be viewed in a negative light.

A lot of graffitti is art. Problem is, around here, it's mostly stupid gang symbols. I'm rather sick of it.

And I don't think we need "SEX" in big purple words.

Nor do we need people graffitting all over a huge tribute to 200 years of freedom built in 1976 next to the freeway with a word that's never been seen in a dictionary before. And it was just ONE word.

From what I can decipher, this thread is about the morality of graffiti.


I believe we should enforce vandalism laws more strictly. Honestly, who would want to wake up with their house or apartment "decorated" with some trash that a juvenile thought would look nice?

Since you love grafitti so much, I'm going to spray paint some all over your house. Most of it is going to be gang symbols and words of sex. Hey, I remember once seeing a drawing of a penis on a slide when I was little. I'll do you a favor and draw one on your house, grafitti lover. I might even scratch some all over your only sources of transportation so you can ride in style. If you hate the idea, you are a hypocrite. I guess one likes it as long as it is not done to oneself. 'Tis easy to form opinions on things one knows nothing about.

My general opinion: since the good thing about graffiti is art, why don't we just have more murals? We can have the government have graffiti artists bid for the task of decorating various inner-city areas.

In some places in Ireland the county and city councils give artists walls to put graffitti on. This is fine as it is usually quite good. I don't like yobs destroying ppls houses and bus stations with their names, who the love and telling us 'sam waz ere'.

I saw a fantastic piece of graffitti on a nearby wall the other day....a 3D rendering of the "BOO" character from the Super Mario Bros Games :) Still makes me smile thinking about it..

first off, the english languange is also an art. learn to appreciate it.

Pointlessly overaggressive, there's no need to insult someone whose first language isn't English. Especially coming from someone who spells language "languange"...and don't you edit your post :p

Graffitti is fine, I don't think there should be laws restricting it... I also don't think it is an issue that shuold be given much importance...

I have no problem with graffiti in the form of beautiful murals , etc as long as they have do not include gang symbols, swear words , etc. I'm sick of seeing IRA , LVF , etc painted everywhere I look.

Any public surface is a canvas.

The problem is, spray-painting illegible matt black squiggles isn't art.

My opinion is that Graffiti is a form of art, but art's value is denoted by it's rarity. Smearing every train or wall you find only devaluates the good Spraying.

Some graffiti is pretty good. Ever get stuck at a railroad crossing while a long freight train goes past?

Art:

http://www.graffiti.org/miami/ying_yang.jpg




Crime:

http://www.rosenblatt-sf.com/Selected_Photos/Graffiti%20in%20Barcelona-2%20(072899)-B.jpg

I don't want your 'art' on my goddamn fence, and I don't appreciate someone spraying the word 'gangsta' throughout my city. If you really need to show society your creativity, don't do it on their ****ing property, dumbasses. Whoever does should be shot in the face.

Some graffiti is pretty good. Ever get stuck at a railroad crossing while a long freight train goes past?There's some public transportation stations that have rather nice graffiti where the subway or city train will stop for a while for reasons of connectivity. As long as its not only words its not that bad, especially when its on something nobody has to live in...

Your wall, your canvas. My wall, my property.

Your wall, your canvas. My wall, my property.
OMFG you've got a blog! Just like Sirocco! *Runs off to read*

Since you love grafitti so much, I'm going to spray paint some all over your house. Most of it is going to be gang symbols and words of sex. Hey, I remember once seeing a drawing of a penis on a slide when I was little. I'll do you a favor and draw one on your house, grafitti lover. I might even scratch some all over your only sources of transportation so you can ride in style. If you hate the idea, you are a hypocrite. I guess one likes it as long as it is not done to oneself. 'Tis easy to form opinions on things one knows nothing about.



i think i will thank you

where i live you cant paint on houses even if you could cause their all way to small and alleys are ugly they need graffiti

Art:

http://www.graffiti.org/miami/ying_yang.jpg




Crime:

http://www.rosenblatt-sf.com/Selected_Photos/Graffiti%20in%20Barcelona-2%20(072899)-B.jpg



What the hell does that have PETA on it lol

I don't want your 'art' on my goddamn fence, and I don't appreciate someone spraying the word 'gangsta' throughout my city. If you really need to show society your creativity, don't do it on their ****ing property, dumbasses. Whoever does should be shot in the face.





it would be very hard to paint on lets say a 4 foot fence idiot im mostly talking about mass transit anyway

Graffitti in your property = good.
Graffitti in someone else's property = bad.

If I wanted graffitti in my wall I would have payed someone to do it, or do it myself. So stop doing graffitti everywhere because that's vandalism. Just because you like it and think it's art it doesn't mean everyone else is obligated to like it.

A message to all those who do graffitti everywhere: Stop being so childish and start respecting other people's property and taste!!!

Pointlessly overaggressive, there's no need to insult someone whose first language isn't English. Especially coming from someone who spells language "languange"...and don't you edit your post :p

True, but English isn't my first language either, and I'm typing fine...sorta...

I think a good idea, is to put up a few walls, and we call them Grafifiti Walls. Meaning they're specially designated walls, built for Graffiti. Of course, we'll erase the obscene things on it, and the gang symbols, and what not, but we'll keep the good ones.

Graffitti in your property = good.
Graffitti in someone else's property = bad.

If I wanted graffitti in my wall I would have payed someone to do it, or do it myself. So stop doing graffitti everywhere because that's vandalism. Just because you like it and think it's art it doesn't mean everyone else is obligated to like it.

A message to all those who do graffitti everywhere: Stop being so childish and start respecting other people's property and taste!!!

What if its on public property?

Graffiti is good, an old deteriorating building looks better with come coorful paint on the side of it, and subway tunnels covered in art are much better than boring gray walls. Graffiti is a good form of urban beautification.

I think a good idea, is to put up a few walls, and we call them Grafifiti Walls. Meaning they're specially designated walls, built for Graffiti. Of course, we'll erase the obscene things on it, and the gang symbols, and what not, but we'll keep the good ones.
I agree... a lot of graffiti has artistic merit, however applying it to property without permission is vandalism. I think a city (or private citizens) constructing purposed graffiti-walls would be an excellent middle ground, sort of an evolving public art show. Heck, if I owned property, I'd probably put one up myself... maybe post some guidelines as well as to what would be considered acceptable (not that anyone would follow them...). :D

I think, also, that property owners could be a little more forgiving towards the graffiti that may appear on their property, provided the content of said graffiti wasn't offensive to them. But in the end, it's their property, so their rules.

Of course, then you come to the real issue: one you have people creating stuff on graffiti walls, what are we going to do about all the Intellectual Property lawsuits that will spring up when the owners of the walls try to claim the copyright on the graffiti works applied to them! :eek: :D

What if its on public property?That would depend on where it was, wouldn't it?
Under a bridge that goes over tracks, I wouldn't mind.

What if its on public property?

Just because it's public property it doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with it... because it's everyone else's! But I do think that building walls specifically for graffitti would be a good idea, although graffitti has a bond with illegality and the most forbidden or difficult place will always be the favourite...

Of course, then you come to the real issue: one you have people creating stuff on graffiti walls, what are we going to do about all the Intellectual Property lawsuits that will spring up when the owners of the walls try to claim the copyright on the graffiti works applied to them! :eek: :D
Confront a graffiti artist with intellectual property rights issues, and the reply will mostly likely be a blank, stoned expression. Or something containing the word "communazi".

it would be very hard to paint on lets say a 4 foot fence idiot im mostly talking about mass transit anyway

That's besides the point. What you need to get through your head is that you have no right spraying graffiti on property that isn't yours. Without their permission, you're nothing but a criminal, no matter how ugly or beautiful your form of 'art' is.

P.S. My fence is 8 feet high, and if I ever catch anyone messing with it, I'll call the police immediately.

I don't want your 'art' on my goddamn fence, and I don't appreciate someone spraying the word 'gangsta' throughout my city. If you really need to show society your creativity, don't do it on their ****ing property, dumbasses. Whoever does should be shot in the face.

Do we detect just a bit of hostility here? :eek:

Your wall, your canvas. My wall, my property.

Public wall?

Confront a graffiti artist with intellectual property rights issues, and the reply will mostly likely be a blank, stoned expression. Or something containing the word "communazi".Not in Germany. We've got organized groups with equipment that makes the police envious. They'll be long gone before you get anywhere near where they were spraying.
But we've also got the dumb stoners.

Graffiti is only good if it's expressing leftist political views.

Just because it's public property it doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with it... because it's everyone else's! But I do think that building walls specifically for graffitti would be a good idea, although graffitti has a bond with illegality and the most forbidden or difficult place will always be the favourite...
Well, If it is everyone elses, then they can go buy spray paint to cover up yours if they dont like it...
this way it turns out the people with the most money to dedicate to their spray paint collection win! yay corperate graffitti! the paint makers will be " :) " the poor people will be " :mad: " and everyone that doesn't really give a shit will be like "... :rolleyes: "

(sorry, i'm being sarcastic, i'll shut up >.>)

Do we detect just a bit of hostility here? :eek:

Some jackass 'artist' spraypainted the neighborhood entrance a few days ago. :mad:

I have every right to be hostile. :mp5:

Well the paint itself isn't hurting anyone.. but I feel it should be up to the community as to if it should be welcomed and allowed. It's a cultural thing.

Also.. I know Alot of graffiti is gang affiliated. That shouldn't be allowed.. but how are the outsiders to know what graffiti is gang related? We won't until some crime or something brings it out. I feel for the law abiding hard working citizens in gang dominated communities.

For the "grafitti is expressions and, therefore, be legal" crowd, ther are better ways of expressing one's views than spraypaining often obcene and nasty things on someone's house or on a wall near a school. For instance, you can spray paint your own house or draw what you were going to spray paint on a piece of paper. That way, you get to express yourself and people don't see things, theirs or public, vandalized.

I think graffiti is good it shows pride in culture look at this beautiful work of art

http://www.b-boys.com/images/graffiti/bomb.jpg

Not everyone likes having that all over their neighborhoods. Can't grafitti artists just use paper or their own houses?

Not everyone likes having that all over their neighborhoods. Can't grafitti artists just use paper or their own houses?
Hey not a bad idea and in other words you are right