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Once More Into The Breach Dear Friends

The Fallen Dead
20-08-2005, 01:29
What is it about war that attracts us? We as humans have set standards for honor by feats that a person has done in war. Wars are also some of the most memorable events in history. But is this any reason to have re-enactments of famus battles? war causes death and destruction. It spreads faman. And what of the inocents lost in the cross fire? Is there any reason to glamorize war? and what good truly comes out of war? War is mearly the physical symptom of the the plauge that afflicts humanity. What good comes from war?
Call to power
20-08-2005, 01:35
war can be good you know
The Fallen Dead
20-08-2005, 01:37
war can be good you know

In what way? If you are refering to the fact that it thins out the populas then you would be very correct.
The South Islands
20-08-2005, 01:40
In what way? If you are refering to the fact that it thins out the populas then you would be very correct.

War has provided some of the Advances that we take for granted today. Computers and Jet Engines, for example. I'm not saying that they would not exist without warfare, they would, most likely, be many years less developed.

GPS, also.
The Fallen Dead
20-08-2005, 01:44
War has provided some of the Advances that we take for granted today. Computers and Jet Engines, for example. I'm not saying that they would not exist without warfare, they would, most likely, be many years less developed.

GPS, also.


War has also caused steps back in progress too. many agrecultral implements or techniques were lost because the romans declaired war on nations with more advanced agreculture.
Origami Tigers
20-08-2005, 01:46
http://www.pbs.org/civilwar/war/

Depending on your point of view, I would have to say the Civil War was, however devastating, worth the end result.

What good does re-enacting war do? Eh, I highly doubt this will be accepted by many, but here goes. It benefits economy. :rolleyes:
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=2766679/K=civil+war+re-enactments/v=2/SID=e/TID=F592_124/l=WS1/R=8/IPC=us/SHE=0/H=3/;_ylt=AtdmBluJ9HCNZjYONIZpoGFXNyoA/SIG=11roubjis/EXP=1124585970/*-http%3A//www.wesclark.com/jw/tourism.html
Undelia
20-08-2005, 01:47
In what way? If you are refering to the fact that it thins out the populas then you would be very correct.
Not to mention that war has stopped the one of the most evil men in history from ruling the world. Passive resistance is nice, but it doesn’t help anything when the treads of a German Panzer are rolling over your mutilated corpse. War is abused, yes (see Iraq), but there is a time when you have to stand up and fight to defend the liberties which we hold dear.
The South Islands
20-08-2005, 01:48
War has also caused steps back in progress too. many agrecultral implements or techniques were lost because the romans declaired war on nations with more advanced agreculture.

If anything, 10 times more knowlege was lost with the fall of the Western Roman Empire than what the Farmers had before the romans came to power.
Vetalia
20-08-2005, 01:50
Aggressive war brings power to the victor over the loser, and power leads to influence over and fear from other nations. War is simply a means to the same end as diplomacy, but with the sword rather than the pen and paper.
Sometimes it is necessary to maintaining your influence and increasing your power.
The South Islands
20-08-2005, 01:50
Aggressive war brings power to the victor over the loser, and power leads to influence over and fear from other nations. War is simply a means to the same end as diplomacy, but with the sword rather than the pen and paper.
Sometimes it is necessary to maintaining your influence and increasing your power.


From a Philisophical point of view...
Grave_n_idle
20-08-2005, 01:51
What is it about war that attracts us? We as humans have set standards for honor by feats that a person has done in war. Wars are also some of the most memorable events in history. But is this any reason to have re-enactments of famus battles? war causes death and destruction. It spreads faman. And what of the inocents lost in the cross fire? Is there any reason to glamorize war? and what good truly comes out of war? War is mearly the physical symptom of the the plauge that afflicts humanity. What good comes from war?

War is a horrible, horrible thing.

For people.

But, for masses of people, it can be a very good thing - since it fuels invention, spurs economies, encourages working together.

Also - there are, of course, individuals who will always be able to make money out of any war... I guess it's good for them.

But, from a personal scale, like - when you are the 6 year old Iraqi girl accidentally caught by stray US fire... I guess the 'big picture' seems somehow distant...
Syniks
20-08-2005, 01:51
What is it about war that attracts us? We as humans have set standards for honor by feats that a person has done in war. Wars are also some of the most memorable events in history. But is this any reason to have re-enactments of famus battles? Yes. Reinactment lends to Catharsis. Being able to "engage in warfare" withou killing anyone meets a basic human need for acts of territorial/tribal dominance.
war causes death and destruction. It spreads faman.Famine is usually a precursor to war, not a consequent. Besides, quick Death by war/violence is preferable to death by starvation... and both have the net effect of lowering the average population to agriculturally sustainable levels. And what of the inocents lost in the cross fire? Is there any reason to glamorize war? and what good truly comes out of war?Decrease of the agressive male population during times of limited resources. War is mearly the physical symptom of the the plauge that afflicts humanity.What plague is that? What good comes from war? History. Technological Advancement. Population stabilization. Political reorientation. PoliEthical Discourse. Liberation of peoples.

What more do you want to know?
The Fallen Dead
20-08-2005, 01:54
Not to mention that war has stopped the one of the most evil men in history from ruling the world. Passive resistance is nice, but it doesn’t help anything when the treads of a German Panzer are rolling over your mutilated corpse. War is abused, yes (see Iraq), but there is a time when you have to stand up and fight to defend the liberties which we hold dear.
Before you start calling people evil, remember that the united states is very guilty of simuilar atrocities during its begining stages. secondly look at the good that he did for his country. He brought the german people out of a horable depression and he bolstered their economy. what he did with his power later is deplorable but with the good comes the bad and befor condeming some one look at the whole story. Buit the bad dose seem to out way the good in this case.
The Fallen Dead
20-08-2005, 01:57
tell me truthfully Syniks, how much of that you truely believe?
Call to power
20-08-2005, 02:04
war is necessary when diplomacy cannot work it also tends to make great nations

there is also the fact that fighting war stops war from coming to your street

So all in all it’s a necessary evil
Syniks
20-08-2005, 02:05
Before you start calling people evil, remember that the united states is very guilty of simuilar atrocities during its begining stages. secondly look at the good that he did for his country. He brought the german people out of a horable depression and he bolstered their economy. what he did with his power later is deplorable but with the good comes the bad and befor condeming some one look at the whole story. Buit the bad dose seem to out way the good in this case.
Urm... Just curious... what is your native language? YOur spelling is abysimal and goes far beyond simple drunken typos (like mine).
Call to power
20-08-2005, 02:12
Before you start calling people evil, remember that the united states is very guilty of simuilar atrocities during its begining stages. secondly look at the good that he did for his country. He brought the german people out of a horable depression and he bolstered their economy. what he did with his power later deplorable but with the good comes the bad and befor condeming some one look at the whole story. Buit the bad dose seem to out way the good in this case.

the only reason Hitler seemed good in the 30's was because everyone had to say good things really life was terrible in Germany

if America hadn't fought those Indians we would of never won the important wars from WWI onwards also the Indians had large resources in there territory’s that they were not using so all in all it was good for the human race
Syniks
20-08-2005, 02:16
tell me truthfully Syniks, how much of that you truely believe?
All of it. Simply because it is historically accurate. I don't need to "believe" anything that is demonstrably true.
The Fallen Dead
20-08-2005, 02:20
Urm... Just curious... what is your native language? YOur spelling is abysimal and goes far beyond simple drunken typos (like mine).

My native language is none of your buisness. Was falsch mit Ihnen Leute?
Syniks
20-08-2005, 02:54
My native language is none of your buisness. Was falsch mit Ihnen Leute?
Actually, it makes a difference in determining if your posts are from a non-native speaker with adult questions or from an illiterate English speaker asking questions beyond his/her educational level.

It lets me know how I should respond, that's "what's wrong with me"... :rolleyes:
Santa Barbara
20-08-2005, 03:01
What is it about war that attracts us? We as humans have set standards for honor by feats that a person has done in war. Wars are also some of the most memorable events in history. But is this any reason to have re-enactments of famus battles? war causes death and destruction. It spreads faman. And what of the inocents lost in the cross fire? Is there any reason to glamorize war? and what good truly comes out of war? War is mearly the physical symptom of the the plauge that afflicts humanity. What good comes from war?

Well, aside from nifty things like nuclear weapons, anthrax, and the Gulf War Syndrome, war is good for providing people with a distraction for how fucked up things are in their country. They get to project their hatred onto an "enemy" and vent away. So basically, war is therapeutic, and thats why a lot of people just love war, especially watching it on TV and in the media. That's hella sweet.