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This is a great idea I think. The article spells out exactly why this should be considered. Problem is the winter weather of the Great Plains. Not sure how this particular wildlife would adapt to it. What are your thoughts? Good idea? Bad idea?http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/08/17/wild.america.ap/index.html

Bad idea bad idea! It's never smart to introduce large amounts of animals/insects/plants into a completely different ecosystem...

Elephants, yes. Lions? No.

This is a great idea I think. The article spells out exactly why this should be considered. Problem is the winter weather of the Great Plains. Not sure how this particular wildlife would adapt to it. What are your thoughts? Good idea? Bad idea?http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/08/17/wild.america.ap/index.html

the article in 'nature' is also worth reading.

i personally am tentatively all in favor of it.

The search function is your friend. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=438721)

Bad idea.

Rednecks would be out shooting them.

Cattlemen/sheep owners/Farmers would shoot the lions cause they are killing their lively hood.

Just about every NRA member would say we have to help "then out" the elephants so they can have enough food during the winter.

Finally, you don't introduce a foreign species to a new element. Take elephants they have a very wide range they like to travel. How you going to keep them out of human areas?

Ok for the sarcasm imparied [/sarcasm] with some truth.

The search function is your friend. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=438721)

Spam is your friend.

GOOD idea.

Rednecks would be out shooting them.
Yee-HA! :sniper:

Cattlemen/sheep owners/Farmers would shoot the lions cause they are killing their lively hood.
Or, they could hire me to do it...! :cool:

Just about every NRA member would say we have to help "then out" the elephants so they can have enough food during the winter.
if you mean "thin"out, then... Woo Hoo! :mp5:

Finally, you don't introduce a foreign species to a new element. Take elephants they have a very wide range they like to travel. How you going to keep them out of human areas?
I wouldn't. I would let them run roughshod over Liberal Pansy-Ass Tree-Hugger's houses untill they beg me to kill them (Tree-Huggers or Elephants, don't care which...) :p

Ok for the sarcasm imparied [/sarcasm] with some truth.

[/sarcasam + some truth] :p :D

I do not think this is a good idea. What are these animals going to eat? The re-introduced native wolves perhaps...? :confused:

We could start whole businesses...safaris and big game hunting come to mind, once the populations are established and not endangered. The money this could create makes it more than worthwhile. Plus, seeing those animals in the US would be cool. :cool:

I do not think this is a good idea. What are these animals going to eat? The re-introduced native wolves perhaps...? :confused:
"SOYLENT ANIMAL FODDER IS PEOPLE!!!"

(Just like it is to the Mountain Lions of Calif... :rolleyes: :p

Wow...

I live in Colorado, on the plains, and... Wow.

It'd for damn sure be interesting.

I'm not terribly familiar with elephants and/or elephant pooping habits, but it could get a bit messy, I suppose. I guess I could cancel the "Nature" channel on cable though, and just go open a window (unless it really, really stinks worse than the local beefpacking plant makes it stink already, or unless "Lion Attack" appears imminent). And maybe a friendly lion could eat some of the more annoying barking dogs in the neighborhood.

The rancher's comments on this plan in the artice linked at the top of the thread are pretty hilarious... Somehow I suspect that whatever my feelings on this pro/con, there's no way this plan will ever come to fruition. My fellow Great Plain-ers often freak out when they see *people* that look/speak/act different from them, let alone whole new species - especially ones that could eat their kids.

~FLG

Maybe if they send African Cheetahs to New Mexico. Take out all these African Oryx that are reproducing like nuts. Go to New Mexico and see a Cheetah take down and Oryx. It'll be like the Sahvanna in my back yard.

elephants would fit in fine. cheetahs would be sweet. and if anybody has a problem with reintroducing species we made extinct in the first place then they shouldnt care if we kill off any other species.

elephants would fit in fine. cheetahs would be sweet. and if anybody has a problem with reintroducing species we made extinct in the first place then they shouldnt care if we kill off any other species.
Lessee...

Elephants were never in North America. Relative were, but not elephants.
Panthera atrox died of natural causes, not humans.

Seriously, the ecosystem manages to stabilize itself, and then we change it again? Remember, the Ice Ages didn't cause mass extinctions, but their ending did. It's a stupid idea. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Spam is your friend.

No, spam is exactly what I'm trying to prevent by pointing out that, before creating a thread, a user should check to see whether it already exists.

Back on topic, I support this proposal whether it's ecologically sound or not (based entirely on the coolness factor), and the more I hear about it, the more I'm convinced it is. I am interested to see what these ecologists would have to say about Midwestern winters, and to a lesser degree, humidity. The African savannah is a much drier, more temperate place.

Seriously, the ecosystem manages to stabilize itself, and then we change it again? Remember, the Ice Ages didn't cause mass extinctions, but their ending did. It's a stupid idea. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Dude, who cares? Lions! :D

(Yes, it's possible that I'm not entirely serious.)

Seriously, the ecosystem manages to stabilize itself, and then we change it again?

to preserve megafauna that is otherwise going to die out in africa and asia, yes. the ecosystem in most of the west is in a really degraded form anyway, and has been hugely influenced by humans even after the pleistocene extinction - it largely lacks top predators and it's all fenced over and it's grazed by animals imported from the asia and planted with crops originally from mexico, peru, the middle east, and china.

this is just a restoration project which aims a bit further back.

I am strongly against such an evil plan. I would certainly violently protest it if it ever passed. Sabotage, assassinations...

Africa needs the little income they can get from tourism. Why would Americans spend thousands of dollars to go to Africa, when they can go here. We already have Six Flags Great Adventure Safari Drive thru and Disney's Animal Kingdom, and whatever else. We DO NOT need anything else.

this is just a restoration project which aims a bit further back.
Too far back. The ecosystem already recovered from the extinctions, so why the fuck put new animals in, none of which ever even lived there? It's stupid. All it will cause is another ecological disaster of epic proportions.

No, spam is exactly what I'm trying to prevent by pointing out that, before creating a thread, a user should check to see whether it already exists.

Oh my, the logic. This thread has already been created, so your complaints don't do anything besides increase your post count. Honestly, I'm not going to search for a similar thread that's buried under 20 pages. It's dead. I doubt many others would either. If someone wants to open up a new discussion about the same topic, they should go right ahead. There's nothing wrong with it. If you think there is, go whine about the countless religious threads.

I am strongly against such an evil plan. I would certainly violently protest it if it ever passed. Sabotage, assassinations...

Africa needs the little income they can get from tourism. Why would Americans spend thousands of dollars to go to Africa, when they can go here. We already have Six Flags Great Adventure Safari Drive thru and Disney's Animal Kingdom, and whatever else. We DO NOT need anything else.

Where do you think that income goes? To the corrupt governments. Africa is just a burden on the world, in my opinion. (as far as people are concerned; the wildlife is a different story)

Where do you think that income goes? To the corrupt governments. Africa is just a burden on the world, in my opinion. (as far as people are concerned; the wildlife is a different story)

What are you (insert derogatory word here)?!?! Why is every third-world government stereotyped as corrupt. Every gov't is farking corrupt. If African preservationists are against it, maybe that means they are getting money. We could be helping Africa if we gave them supplies and not money.

Why would Americans spend thousands of dollars to go to Africa, when they can go here.

because the people that would be inclined to go to africa (such as myself) are already inclined to go to both.

because the people that would be inclined to go to africa (such as myself) are already inclined to go to both.

Im going to Africa next week myself. Would go there if I had elephants and Lions roaming in my backyard.

I further am suggesting as a matter of completing the African-American Safari hereby decree that Hippos, Girraffes, Zebra and whatever else that can eat grass to populate the great plains. I could just imagine myself on that mississippi gambling riverboat. Getting a few to much to drink and falling in the river. Then to get attacked by a hippo. I mean what a story your grandkids could tell :D

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/africa/08/18/tanzania.lions.ap/index.html

I mean I know some people want America to share the worlds burdens. Maybe we can help?!

No I don't think it would work. You can't just change an animals habitat and introduce it into a new eco system.=disastor.

No I don't think it would work. You can't just change an animals habitat and introduce it into a new eco system.=disastor.

so we should stop trying to reintroduce wolves, condors, whooping cranes, and black-footed ferrets?

what DOES one do about the serious winters of north america?

how do animals from the equatorial zones survive blizzards with windchill of -40? what does an elephant eat in november, december, january, february, march, april and may??

why bring in african lions when we have native large cat species of our own that could use some help in the population department?

it doesnt make much sense to me but if ted turner wants to put up elephant proof fencing at his ranch east of elephant butte, new mexico, and fill it with ... elephants... it would be fine by me. i just dont see what they would eat in the desert where it rains less than 6 inches/year.

why bring in african lions when we have native large cat species of our own that could use some help in the population department?
Mountain lions are unable to catch the Oryx. Oryx are bred to flee lions and cheetahs; lions, who hunt in packs unlike Mountain Lions, and cheetahs, who run a crap load faster than mountain lions. Plus an Oryx would gore a mountain lion to death if it ever got close enough to it.

There was a girl mauled to death by a tiger yesterday. If this happens it'll be ten times worse.

Being able to hunt tigers in the Continental US would be cool though!

Mountain lions are unable to catch the Oryx. Oryx are bred to flee lions and cheetahs; lions, who hunt in packs unlike Mountain Lions, and cheetahs, who run a crap load faster than mountain lions. Plus an Oryx would gore a mountain lion to death if it ever got close enough to it.
the oryx is a good example of why introducing large non native animals isnt a great idea.

it would be cool to have cheetahs hunting the oryx. dont cheetahs live on the savannah though?

the oryx is a good example of why introducing large non native animals isnt a great idea.

it would be cool to have cheetahs hunting the oryx. dont cheetahs live on the savannah though?They do.