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I was searching through the internet and I found this

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8872/usacacu4ht.png
below it it said America in 10 years, do you believe it?

So do you believe it will happen, USA and Canada become one country along with Cuba.

Not in ten years with the way the US and Canada are going, but a US-Canadian unification is one of the more logical first steps towards a world government.

Hmm...I know the Canadians would probably roll over, but has anyone asked the Cubans about this? :confused:

God, I should hope not! No way do I want to be with a bunch of egotistical, microcephalic postdiluvian maladroits that are the yankees!

Maybe in 50 years, but not Cuba, maybe only canada...

Hmm...I know the Canadians would probably roll over, but has anyone asked the Cubans about this? :confused:

Roll Over!?

Not in a million years would I want my country to be taken over by the States. No offence intended, but I think we are just too different to get that close to each other.

Personally, my dream is to have Canada join the European Union. [Yeah, I know how popular that opinion is, but I still hold it!].


P.S.: [Here I go again with my unpopular opinions...] I think in ten years the U.S. will be in even worse shape than it is now. Maybe if we are lucky Maine or Alaska will join Canada! ;-)

So do you believe it will happen, USA and Canada become one country along with Cuba.

Will never happen.

Roll Over!?

Not in a million years would I want my country to be taken over by the States. No offence intended, but I think we are just too different to get that close to each other.

Personally, my dream is to have Canada join the European Union. [Yeah, I know how popular that opinion is, but I still hold it!].
I agree with you on everything. If we did join the US we would have to drink their crappy beer. Do you want our children drinkin crappy beer? I think not.

I agree with you on everything. If we did join the US we would have to drink their crappy beer. Do you want our children drinkin crappy beer? I think not.

Hear, Hear!

Canada is much more similar to Europe than we are to the USA. It'll never happen- thankfully!

I agree with a higher likelihood of us becoming part of the European union.

Hell no. :rolleyes:

Roll Over!?

Not in a million years would I want my country to be taken over by the States. No offence intended, but I think we are just too different to get that close to each other.

Personally, my dream is to have Canada join the European Union. [Yeah, I know how popular that opinion is, but I still hold it!].


P.S.: [Here I go again with my unpopular opinions...] I think in ten years the U.S. will be in even worse shape than it is now. Maybe if we are lucky Maine or Alaska will join Canada! ;-)



1. For your own good, we'll take you before the EU gets ya ;)

2. You're not even European >.>

Thank Buddha, I don't see this happening anytime soon. Not in ten, not in twenty years. I know it would be like taking candy from a baby (like they know how to wage war? NOT!). Maybe they could just bore us to death.
Sure, we'd get a few resources, but at what price if we have to take the Canadians? :p

1. For your own good, we'll take you before the EU gets ya ;)
For your own good, I hope you don't try ;)

2. You're not even European >.>
Is that a prerequisite to join the EU?

Besides, Coral Island wasn't really serious in us joining the EU.

1. For your own good, we'll take you before the EU gets ya ;)

2. You're not even European >.>

We're not American either. At least the ancestors of the majority of us are European, although we're getting more multicultural everyday. :)

//1. For your own good, we'll take you before the EU gets ya

2. You're not even European >.>//

Agreed. The America for the Americans...

Not in ten years. I am trying to be optimistic and am hoping we will takeover/invade Canada within my lifetime. Hypothetical situation: if America invaded Canada and occupied it what would the consequences be. Would the canadians wage a guerilla war against us? Would the EU declare war?

Even if Canada wanted to become part of the US, it would take longer than 10 years to sort out the problems of integrating Canada into the US economic, political and legal systems.

Cuban annexation would be much easier to manage, given that it's much smaller and that we have a pre-made group of Cuban-Americans ready to go down and take over the minute Castro dies.

:p

Not in ten years. I am trying to be optimistic and am hoping we will takeover/invade Canada within my lifetime. Hypothetical situation: if America invaded Canada and occupied it what would the consequences be. Would the canadians wage a guerilla war against us? Would the EU declare war?
I think yes on both counts.

I know yes on the guerilla warfare.
With all the treaties and alliances Canada has done, I think yes on the second count too.

Would the canadians wage a guerilla war against us? Would the EU declare war?
Laughing, and laughing even harder. :D

Not in ten years. I am trying to be optimistic and am hoping we will takeover/invade Canada within my lifetime. Hypothetical situation: if America invaded Canada and occupied it what would the consequences be. Would the canadians wage a guerilla war against us? Would the EU declare war?

You think the insurgency in Iraq is bad? Imagine what it would be like if the insurgents looked just like you, and couldn't be visually identified as a likely insurgent.

I don't think any country -- even a country formerly on good terms with its occupier -- would just happily accept being invaded.

You think the insurgency in Iraq is bad? Imagine what it would be like if the insurgents looked just like you, and couldn't be visually identified as a likely insurgent.

I don't think any country -- even a country formerly on good terms with its occupier -- would just happily accept being invaded.



No, you would just smoke pot and try to not think about how much life stinks :D

No, you would just smoke pot and try to not think about how much life stinks :D

Oh my dear, you don't know Canadians as well as you think.

Besides, Coral Island wasn't really serious in us joining the EU.

Ha!

I wrote my undergraduate thesis on it, thank you very much. It might be tough to swing, but I think it could be done. Culturally and politically, Canada is much more similar to the E.U. than to America.


And a definite yes on the guerilla warfare thing.

No, you would just smoke pot and try to not think about how much life stinks :D
adding a smilie does not make it a joke you know.

Quit the baiting, please.

we are already the "bestest friends" of any nations in the world. what would the benefit be of uniting? canada can be canada and the US be the US and still enjoy the great relationship we have now. besides what would we do about quebec???

same with cuba once castro dies and they rethink their governmental structure. a free cuba would be a great ally for the US.

How many Canadians does it take to keep saying we don't want to become part of the USA before some Americans get it? It's not going to happen, never! You tried once and failed, lets just leave it at that! Canada doesn't want any part of it!

For a hypothetical take on American occupation of Canada and the subsequent guerilla war, read Harry Turtledove's Great War/American Empire series.

:p

How many Canadians does it take to keep saying we don't want to become part of the USA before some Americans get it? It's not going to happen, never! You tried once and failed, lets just leave it at that! Canada doesn't want any part of it!

Well, the Canadian population is about 32 million, so I'm thinking more than the fifteen or so that have posted here.

Ha!

I wrote my undergraduate thesis on it, thank you very much. It might be tough to swing, but I think it could be done. Culturally and politically, Canada is much more similar to the E.U. than to America.


And a definite yes on the guerilla warfare thing.
My bad. I though you meant it as a pipe dream.

I misread your comment. I retract the words I put in your mouth.

adding a smilie does not make it a joke you know.

Quit the baiting, please.
Bullshit. If Canadians shut their traps in the America-bashing threads, this complaint wouldn't sound so fucking whiney.
Take what you give, or stop giving so goddamned much of it.

How many Canadians does it take to keep saying we don't want to become part of the USA before some Americans get it? It's not going to happen, never! You tried once and failed, lets just leave it at that! Canada doesn't want any part of it!



I have a few Canadian friends in favor of a unification ;)

Here is an idea, why doesn't America let Canada annex them? I mean, Canada is much more respected in the world, it might help the bad reputation that America is suffering from.

Nah, just kidding, I don't want the USA to be part of Canada either..lol

That would be silly.

Isnt Canada already a territory of the US anyway ?

Isnt Canada already a territory of the US anyway ?

Nope, never has been, never will be!

How many Canadians does it take to keep saying we don't want to become part of the USA before some Americans get it? It's not going to happen, never! You tried once and failed, lets just leave it at that! Canada doesn't want any part of it!
I agree. It's more enjoyable keeping the sovereignty of Canada intact, for everyone's sake.

If any country were to opt for this, Mexico would be ahead of Canada on the list. But I'd hope Mexico stays just the way they are now.

God, I should hope not! No way do I want to be with a bunch of egotistical, microcephalic postdiluvian maladroits that are the yankees!

I feel the same way! Of course, I've always been a Minnesota Twins fan! Damned Yankees! :sniper:

Nope, never has been, never will be!

Unless, of course, we are interested...

I have a few Canadian friends in favor of a unification ;)

Oh? Pray tell, would they prefer a democratic vote on the subject, or just let the US walk in and take over?

One moment all I hear is how anti-American Canadians are, the next I'm told how much we'd really like to join the US.

Funny, it's generally Americans telling me both things. I rarely hear or read either comment from Canadians.

I agree. It's more enjoyable keeping the sovereignty of Canada intact, for everyone's sake.

If any country were to opt for this, Mexico would be ahead of Canada on the list. But I'd hope Mexico stays just the way they are now.

I agree, lets just all keep our own national sovereignty and stop these stupid "annex" threads that keep popping up.

Wow...its like someone took a stick and hit a hornet's nest....

Canada is much more respected in the world
I think you are mistaking apathy for respect, dear.

I agree, lets just all keep our own national sovereignty and stop these stupid "annex" threads that keep popping up.

Works for me.

Why did this turn into such a chest-thumping contest? Why was the instant assumption that the US would annex Canada? It is entirely possible for the two nations to enter into a peaceful union, after all. None of us know what the political climate will be in 10, 20, 50 years, and anyone saying that Canada or the US would never join the other is just being uselessly nationalist.

I think you are mistaking apathy for respect, dear.

Are you actually sitting there with a straight face and thinking America is more respected than Canada? ROTFLMAO! I don't think so "dear" :p

You know, there's no reason why we cannot go on with the current borders. Things are going pretty well for Canada right now (and despite despotic rulers and economic troubles) as well as in the United States. Despite the occasionally kafuffle over softwood lumber, we get along swimmingly. There does not seem to be a pressing reason why we would want to join the U.S., or even the European Union (except as a way to diversify the Canadian economy and get access to those fantastic European Schengen-Area passports). For that matter, aside from old notions of Manifest Destiny, the U.S. has no real need to expand into Canada either. Why fix something that already works better than anything in history?

I agree, lets just all keep our own national sovereignty and stop these stupid "annex" threads that keep popping up.
I hadn't noticed-- Do these threads really keep coming up?

Sounds to me like a masturbatory intellectual imperialist fantasy. :rolleyes:

Canada is going to stay Canadian. This topic is the fruit of an overactive imagination.

Why was the instant assumption that the US would annex Canada? It is entirely possible for the two nations to enter into a peaceful union, after all.

It's possible the sun won't rise tomorrow, but very unlikely. ;)

If a US-Canadian unification happens any time soon... It will be because of a military campaign.

Then again, we'll never know who the victor of the two would be... Look how long the Confederacy lasted against the Union in the American Civil War. All it takes is a few bad generals. :P

Cuba, on the other hand... If Castro dies within the next ten years (he HAS to die some day) and Cuban civil war ensues, I have money on my rather belligerant country (USA) joining the conflict. The result might be Commonwealth of Cuba.

Being a Wisconsin Democrat, a part of me still wishes for United States of Canada (http://web.knoxnews.com/silence/archives/jesusland.jpg). [knoxnews.com]

Are you actually sitting there with a straight face and thinking America is more respected than Canada? ROTFLMAO! I don't think so "dear" :p
I don't believe that Canada is "respected", so much as ignored in the larger picture. Lack of animosity does not equal respect.
Canada hasn't done anything to earn the world's respect, nor has it done anything to earn much disrespect. I'm sure if you asked the average Chinese or African civillian, they wouldn't have much to say. Hell, even we Americans don't know much about Canada. I haven't met anyone who really loved 'em or hated 'em.

Canada just is.

I'm pretty sure that maybe 20 years ago, if you asked a German if they would be sharing currency with the French, the answer would have been a resounding "FUCK NO"...And why is it assumed that the US would be the one to take over? Why couldn't the US and Canada (and whatever other NA countries wanted) go into something like the EU, or atleast the trade parts?

I personally wouldn't be surprised to see the US and Canada become much more interconnected. We ARE very culturally similar.

Bullshit. If Canadians shut their traps in the America-bashing threads, this complaint wouldn't sound so fucking whiney.
Take what you give, or stop giving so goddamned much of it.
At least we don't insult USAmericans outright then add a smilie face to look all innocent like. I can take criticism like yours any day of the week. It's the hyppocrisy I can't stand.

Say I was posting "Americans are stupid anyways and can't get their head out of their asses :P". It is still flame-baiting. Some posters are good at hiding their insults. When I find this kind of behavior despicable and will call on them to jutify their actions.

I was searching through the internet and I found this

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8872/usacacu4ht.png
below it it said America in 10 years, do you believe it?

So do you believe it will happen, USA and Canada become one country along with Cuba.
thats an ODD map.

i know the northern part is distorted but is ottawa REALLY that close to the st lawrence?? why are ottawa and vancouver the only cities in canada?? why dont they even identify cuba?

if that is all the respect we can give canada and cuba, i think its best we dont try to become one big country with them.

Why did this turn into such a chest-thumping contest? Why was the instant assumption that the US would annex Canada? It is entirely possible for the two nations to enter into a peaceful union, after all. None of us know what the political climate will be in 10, 20, 50 years, and anyone saying that Canada or the US would never join the other is just being uselessly nationalist.

I wasn't a history major, so there may be an example I'm unaware of. Can you please give me an example where 2 nations have peacefully and voluntarily chosen to join together to become one nation in the past? I don't feel that provinces joining Canada or states joining the US are good examples, since they weren't separate countres to begin with. And for that matter, given the War of Independence (with colonist royallists fighting on the side of Britain) and the Civil War, I don't think even that has been entirely peaceful.

The reason I assumed it had to be annexation is that history has shown me that military annexation is how 2 countries become 1.

Cute but those Canadians are too busy calling us braindead Yanks in order to even think about a thing.

...Yanks...:rolleyes:

Hmm...I know the Canadians would probably roll over, but has anyone asked the Cubans about this? :confused:
Like hell we'd roll over!

I'm pretty sure that maybe 20 years ago, if you asked a German if they would be sharing currency with the French, the answer would have been a resounding "FUCK NO"...And why is it assumed that the US would be the one to take over? Why couldn't the US and Canada (and whatever other NA countries wanted) go into something like the EU, or atleast the trade parts?

I personally wouldn't be surprised to see the US and Canada become much more interconnected. We ARE very culturally similar.

We are already economically interconnected. Remember NAFTA?

And the members of the EU are still separate countries, even if many of them share the same currency.

I was searching through the internet and I found this

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8872/usacacu4ht.png
below it it said America in 10 years, do you believe it?

So do you believe it will happen, USA and Canada become one country along with Cuba.

The only way that picture will become reality is if the USA decides to go to war with the rest of the world and starts by attempting to occupy Canada. And from the Canadians I've talked to about such hypothetical situations, they'd have as much fun trying that as they're having right now occupying Iraq.

Cute but those Canadians are too busy calling us braindead Yanks in order to even think about a thing.

...Yanks...:rolleyes:

Which Canadian called you a "braindead Yank"?

I don't think than everybody in canada will be happy to be americain...

I think of some province on the east side.

At least we don't insult USAmericans outright then add a smilie face to look all innocent like. I can take criticism like yours any day of the week. It's the hyppocrisy I can't stand.
I think you're a bit premature on using the word "we" in any generalized statement. When were you elected the "OFficial Voice of Canada"?
Either way, this sounds like it's between you and Neo, and she's not the type of American I'm gonna stick up for, so have at it.
She should've used the "razz" like everyone else, instead of the smiley. (Or the wink, if it were really just a joke).
Say I was posting "Americans are stupid anyways and can't get their head out of their asses :P". It is still flame-baiting. Some posters are good at hiding their insults. When I find this kind of behavior despicable and will call on them to jutify their actions.
That would be flamebaiting. I see it a lot from Canadians toward Americans, but there's only a rare chance to get you guys back, since we rarely talk about Canada anyways.
Surely we all knew from post one where this thread was going, right?

Why did this turn into such a chest-thumping contest? Why was the instant assumption that the US would annex Canada? It is entirely possible for the two nations to enter into a peaceful union, after all. None of us know what the political climate will be in 10, 20, 50 years, and anyone saying that Canada or the US would never join the other is just being uselessly nationalist.

At the rate things are going now, there is no reason to think the two countries will unify peacefully. America dishonours NAFTA, ignores and belittles Canada's worth, and you expect us to go happily together with them as one nation? Hell no.

Which Canadian called you a "braindead Yank"?
Speaking in general. Relax.

Why couldn't the US and Canada (and whatever other NA countries wanted) go into something like the EU, or atleast the trade parts?

I personally wouldn't be surprised to see the US and Canada become much more interconnected. We ARE very culturally similar.

Because in any such association the U.S., with its ten-times-larger population would invariably dominate. Look at NAFTA. The EU works because it has so many partners of more-or-less equal weights.

I don't think there's any reason to try to join Canada to the US as of now and if it ever happened, I think it would be much farther in the future when the world agrees to have a world government. That's actually something I'd like to see; the world uniting itself, not under an American policy, but one of collective agreement from the countries around the world.

I think Canada is more similar to the US than it is to Europe though. I've been to both places. I think it's mainly because of geographic location. Also, most Americans are also European immigrants, like the Canadians.

I wasn't a history major, so there may be an example I'm unaware of. Can you please give me an example where 2 nations have peacefully and voluntarily chosen to join together to become one nation in the past? I don't feel that provinces joining Canada or states joining the US are good examples, since they weren't separate countres to begin with. And for that matter, given the War of Independence (with colonist royallists fighting on the side of Britain) and the Civil War, I don't think even that has been entirely peaceful.

The reason I assumed it had to be annexation is that history has shown me that military annexation is how 2 countries become 1.

Okay.

Czechoslovakia
Poland-Lithuania
Germany
Yugoslavia (eventually a bad example, I know)

The US and Canada are a lot closer to one another than anyone here seems to be willing to admit, and if there is ever going to be a unified world government (which I personally would like to see, and I know many people would detest), then US-Canada is one of the more obvious places for it to start.

I think you're a bit premature on using the word "we" in any generalized statement. When were you elected the "OFficial Voice of Canada"?
Either way, this sounds like it's between you and Neo, and she's not the type of American I'm gonna stick up for, so have at it.
She should've used the "razz" like everyone else, instead of the smiley. (Or the wink, if it were really just a joke).

That would be flamebaiting. I see it a lot from Canadians toward Americans, but there's only a rare chance to get you guys back, since we rarely talk about Canada anyways.
Surely we all knew from post one where this thread was going, right?
You're right, we knew where this was going from post one. It still doesn't excuse the flamebaiting Neo did. I tried to prevent it for as long as possible by calling on the flamebaiting.

Okay.

Czechoslovakia
Poland-Lithuania
Germany
Yugoslavia (eventually a bad example, I know)

The US and Canada are a lot closer to one another than anyone here seems to be willing to admit, and if there is ever going to be a unified world government (which I personally would like to see, and I know many people would detest), then US-Canada is one of the more obvious places for it to start.

Had it been before Bush's term, I may have agreed with a America + Canada union, because the countries were pretty similar. I mean, there are things that were distinctively Canadian and distinctively American, but I think the two could have possibly lived harmoniously. But since Bush has taken America in a warmongering right-wing extremist path, most Canadians don't see the similarities the way they used to. The two countries are steadily branching apart.

Here is an idea, why doesn't America let Canada annex them? I mean, Canada is much more respected in the world, it might help the bad reputation that America is suffering from.

Nah, just kidding, I don't want the USA to be part of Canada either..lol



Nah, we like actually having the global community be forced to take us seriously ;)

We are already economically interconnected. Remember NAFTA?

And the members of the EU are still separate countries, even if many of them share the same currency.
Well, really, we were economically interconnected when the US and Canada first traded anything. What I am talking about is more interconnection, such as the Euro type thing. And yes, I know that the EU countries are seperate. However, there have been more and more moves to unification on more and more levels, such as the EU constitution. (not without its defetes, of course). However, there are moves with unification of currency and economy to have very similar, if not identical, monetary and economic policies, which then push other policy to be more similar. My point still stands. 20 years ago, no European would have considered sharing a currency with the rest of Europe. What I am showing is that things change, and they change fast. Just because a US-Canadian union seems impossible today, it would be stupid to assume that it would NEVER happen. Perhaps if there is a growing number of EU type groups, the US and Canada would be forced to join up in order to survive.

Because in any such association the U.S., with its ten-times-larger population would invariably dominate. Look at NAFTA. The EU works because it has so many partners of more-or-less equal weights.

You believe Malta, Cyprus, Slovenia, Romania, or Bulgaria are equal weights to the UK, France, Germany, or Italy?

Speaking in general. Relax.

No worries, I am relaxed. I'm just trying to understand your comment. Given that this is the very first time I've read or heard the phrase "braindead Yanks", I was curious. Sounds more like what a southern American would call a northeast coast American, not what a Canadian would call an American.

"Yank" isn't really part of our vocabulary, I've never heard anyone use it, is all.

Are you actually sitting there with a straight face and thinking America is more respected than Canada? ROTFLMAO! I don't think so "dear" :p



If America was to threaten sanctions or military action, the world would take notice. If Canada was to do so, the world would also take notice, albeit for very different reasons :D

Okay.

Czechoslovakia
Poland-Lithuania
Germany
Yugoslavia (eventually a bad example, I know)

The US and Canada are a lot closer to one another than anyone here seems to be willing to admit, and if there is ever going to be a unified world government (which I personally would like to see, and I know many people would detest), then US-Canada is one of the more obvious places for it to start.You can add Yemen to that list, if you want. But unlike the USA and Canada, these are all smaller nations...

Had it been before Bush's term, I may have agreed with a America + Canada union, because the countries were pretty similar. I mean, there are things that were distinctively Canadian and distinctively American, but I think the two could have possibly lived harmoniously. But since Bush has taken America in a warmongering right-wing extremist path, most Canadians don't see the similarities the way they used to. The two countries are steadily branching apart.

If the history of American politics is any indication, then it is only a matter of time before the pendulum swings back towards the Democratic party. You all presume to believe that things in the US are going to go further and further right, when that is historically not the case in this country.

You're right, we knew where this was going from post one. It still doesn't excuse the flamebaiting Neo did. I tried to prevent it for as long as possible by calling on the flamebaiting.
I believe she thinks her punch-n-duck style works. Oh well.

The thread was clearly a veiled imperialist threat, or challenge at best (IMHO). Anyone who thinks either country "wants" the other is mistaken.

Are you actually sitting there with a straight face and thinking America is more respected than Canada? ROTFLMAO! I don't think so "dear"
If America was to threaten sanctions or military action, the world would take notice. If Canada was to do so, the world would also take notice, albeit for very different reasons :D
Both of you, shut it. Place nice. And hug.

You can add Yemen to that list, if you want. But unlike the USA and Canada, these are all smaller nations...

True, but they are also nations with much more divergent histories and much greater animosity towards one another.

I don't believe that Canada is "respected", so much as ignored in the larger picture. Lack of animosity does not equal respect.
Canada hasn't done anything to earn the world's respect, nor has it done anything to earn much disrespect. I'm sure if you asked the average Chinese or African civillian, they wouldn't have much to say. Hell, even we Americans don't know much about Canada. I haven't met anyone who really loved 'em or hated 'em.

Canada just is.
Well, The US is known to be rather ignorant when it comes to what happens out of it's border.

As far as Canada not being respected, tell that to the Dutch. We still get treated royally over there for liberating them during WW2.

If America was to threaten sanctions or military action, the world would take notice. If Canada was to do so, the world would also take notice, albeit for very different reasons :D

Do you think you could have a reasonable debate, sweetie, or do you need to go sit at the kiddie table?

Because in any such association the U.S., with its ten-times-larger population would invariably dominate. Look at NAFTA. The EU works because it has so many partners of more-or-less equal weights.
hmm...very good point...I hadn't considered that (although, I would argue that the populations betweem Germany and, say, Denmark are quite different...however, probably not quite as different as US-Canada). Perhaps a system like how US congress is set up would work. Have one body which is based on population (favors large states like California), and another body in which all members have an equal say. It has worked pretty well for the US, as we have tiny states (population-wise) like Alaska, Connecticut, and Hawaii, as well as huge states like California, New York, Florida, and Texas.

If the history of American politics is any indication, then it is only a matter of time before the pendulum swings back towards the Democratic party. You all presume to believe that things in the US are going to go further and further right, when that is historically not the case in this country.

Yeah, I've already heard the political theorists talking. They figure the Republicans will get one more term, and whoever is elected will be the fall man/woman for Bush's grievous mistakes, and then it'll turn Democrat for a while.
But Bush has done some seriously long lasting damage to the trust between the nations. Outright denying NAFTA's legal rulings caused Canada to back away from the negotiating table. Looks like the gov't is taking a "There's no point in talking to America" approach, because America isn't listening to the legal system. Only thing that Bush's admin will understand is a counterattack on the monatary system, such as putting taxes on fuel.

Do you think you could have a reasonable debate, sweetie, or do you need to go sit at the kiddie table?



It's an annexation thread, did you really expect it to stay reasonable? ;)


Anyways, I have to go to work now, so I'll leave the thread alone :(

If America was to threaten sanctions or military action, the world would take notice. If Canada was to do so, the world would also take notice, albeit for very different reasons :D
Well, I disagree on the sanctions part, but yeah, if Canada threatened military actions, the giggling worldwide would be deafening. :)

However, Canada is quite well-respected among the other nations of the world. We're a generally peaceful and polite nation that tends to stand by their allies; not always, of course, but even best friends disagree sometimes.

One thing I think Americans tend to overlook about us Canadians is that we're a lot more patriotic than they seem to think we are; we just tend to be rather laid-back about it. It can flare up pretty quick when we're pushed, though.

Besides, the US would never unify with Canada. Do you know how much it would cost to hack Quebec off of the continent?? :p :D

Okay.

Czechoslovakia
Poland-Lithuania
Germany
Yugoslavia (eventually a bad example, I know)

The US and Canada are a lot closer to one another than anyone here seems to be willing to admit, and if there is ever going to be a unified world government (which I personally would like to see, and I know many people would detest), then US-Canada is one of the more obvious places for it to start.

The creation of Czechoslovakia in 1918 was the culmination of the long struggle of the Czechs against their Austrian rulers and of the Slovaks against Hungarisation and their Hungarian rulers. They weren't independent countries to begin with -- they were separatists from other countries who bound together for protection. Not the sort of unification scenario that Canada and the US are likely to face. That is more of a precedent for the west coast of North America to break away from Canada and the US and peacefully unify to become Cascadia.

Poland-Lithuania -- good example. It took 400 years for them to gradually unify and a little over 100 to break up, but it is still an excellent example of 2 countries unifying, at least for a while.

Germany -- German unification was not entirely peaceful (March Revolution, for example), unless you are talking about the re-unification of West and East Germany - which didn't choose to split up in the first place.

Yugoslavia -- yeah, great idea, but certainly didn't last.

If the history of American politics is any indication, then it is only a matter of time before the pendulum swings back towards the Democratic party.

This is true of most modern democracies. It's certainly what happens in Britain - Tories get in and income disparity skyrockets, taxes fall and self-interest is promoted, then people get annoyed and slowly vote towards Labour, who try (or at least used to try) to reduce income disparity, taxes rise to support the less fortunate, and getting along chummily is promoted. It's basically why people are getting apathetic - the situation stagnates because the two major sides reverse most of the previous side's changes and swings things back their way, so voters end up choosing third parties or splinter groups because they seem like a fair comprimise. The pendulum doesn't swing forever, but will apathy create a vaccum to prevent it reaching the centre?

Maybe if Canada and the United States were to unify, the democrats might come back into power sooner that we might think. However, the "north/south divide" might become somewhat more extreme. The current border could be the new Mason-Dixon!

Actually, this seems akin to the Scotland/England difference - since the devolved governments, the Scots have made better decisions than the English government... (I am English before any compatriots think I'm starting border wars)

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I was referring to East and West Germany, for the record. They may not have wanted to be seperated, but before the reunification they had 40 years of built up animosity towards one another (even if it was forced).

No, you would just smoke pot and try to not think about how much life stinks :D
But the US wouldn't let us smoke pot. If it wasn't for the US being totally against pot, it would probably be fully legal here.

Would the Bush administration want us either? I mean we do harbour terrorists. You would be forcing them into America. History tells me it is not wise to force a terrorist to do anything.

Hmm...I know the Canadians would probably roll overSure :rolleyes:. We would probably start a violent revolt. Hell, a guy recently Molotov cocktailed his bank. His reason had something to do about service charges. When a Guns n' Roses concert was cancelled, there was a violent riot. I think it is safe to say being annexed would cause some type of violent rampage.

I am afraid that in my opinion the United States, Canada and Cuba will never become one soverign country.

At present The Commonwealth of Canada's head of state is Her Britannic Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. So if Canada joined with other countries to form one Her Majesty would loose this title and relations between Canada and Britain would break down.

Cuba is a Socialist Country at present and the USA is a capitalist Paradise so I cant see two different types of people and culture joining as one.

In case you hadnt noticed the United States isnt an extreemly popular country at the moment and so I cant see other nations surrendering their soverignty to other nations.

We already have a world government which is the UN so we dont need one giant planet country.

So no there will always be different soverign nations

I don't believe that Canada is "respected", so much as ignored in the larger picture. Lack of animosity does not equal respect.
Canada hasn't done anything to earn the world's respect, nor has it done anything to earn much disrespect. I'm sure if you asked the average Chinese or African civillian, they wouldn't have much to say. Hell, even we Americans don't know much about Canada. I haven't met anyone who really loved 'em or hated 'em.

Canada just is.

RECORD NUMBER OF AMERICANS FLOCK NORTH

RICH MARKET FOR TRAVEL TO CANADA, THOUGH MUCH POTENTIAL REMAINS UNTAPPED

Canada has an abundance of what U.S. tourists want and Americans are traveling north and spending more money than at any time in history.

The Canadian Tourism Commission (CTC) projects a record 14.7 million Americans will visit Canada during 1998. This projection represents an eight per cent rise compared with the previous record set 12 years ago when U.S. tourists flocked to Vancouver's Expo 86 ? a one-time, one-location tourist magnet.

U.S. tourist arrivals increased 10.2 per cent during the first nine months of 1998, while spending by Americans in Canada jumped 25.3 per cent in the first six months of 1998 alone.

Northerners strongest in numbers, southerners biggest spenders

More than 34 per cent of all U.S. tourists come from three border states: New York, Michigan and Washington. Together with California (the lone southern state among the top 10 states of origin for visitors to Canada) these states accounted for more than two fifths (40.8 per cent) of all American tourists to Canada in 1997.

While northern states provide the numbers, southern states ? by far ? supply the yield. Southern U.S. tourists spend far more per trip to Canada than their northern counterparts. Mississippi tops the list with $1,027 per visit, more than double the average amount. Rounding out the top 10 states for spending per trip are: Arkansas, Alabama, Louisiana, Georgia, Nevada, Maryland, Texas, Missouri and Colorado.

Huge volume of return visitors

If this year's expected record number of U.S. visitors to Canada reflects a spike in the number of first-time visitors, which is probable, this bodes well for recurring revenue. Once Americans get a taste of Canada, they tend overwhelmingly to return. Some 90 per cent of Americans who visit Canada are repeat visitors.

There are many explanations for this phenomenon. Canada offers what Americans want: safe, clean cities, breathtaking natural attractions and more.

Looks like lots of Americans like Canada the way it is.

JMayo

That is probably as likely as this

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/Usa2_2.gif

is going to happen anytime soon...

And before some people get angry about it, this is purely intended as a joke - so show some humor (and if you don't have any, accept it as me testing the borders - no pun intended - of free speech) ;)

By the way: If I use the labels "America" and "Americans", does that only refer to the U.S. and its citizens?!? I always thought that Canada was part of the Americas (not to forget Mexico, Middle America and the whole Southern continent)?
What's the "official ruling" on that? :confused:

And as for Germany being an example of how two seperate countries join: the process in which what is now Germany appeared on the maps is called Reunification. The Federal Republic of Germany never accepted the forced split-up of the Fatherland, that is why we actually never recognized the German Democratic Republic as a sovereign nation!
(Not to emphasize that Czechoslovakia split into Slovakia and the Czech Republic some time after the fall of the Iron Curtain... And since when did Poland & Lithuania become one country? And it's not like the people living in Yugoslavia had much of a choice!)

We already have a world government which is the UN so we dont need one giant planet country

In recent cases of UN decisions being ignored by the US and British over the current Iraq war, as much as we can hope that the UN helps make a better world, I fear it may be heading for a "League of Nations" conclusion - harks back to Italy's invasion of Abysinnia... that marked the beginning of the end.

True, but they are also nations with much more divergent histories and much greater animosity towards one another.Germany? Not historically. At least not more divergent than the US and Canada. And there wasn't any real animosity until we joined :D
Yemen was the same. The other countries split up, as far as I can remember. But a couple of good examples are the unification of the German states in 1871 or the Italian states, if you want to go for similar yet divergent culture (to date, we still haven't convinced the Bavarians that they're part of Germany).
The situations are all somehow different than with the US and Canada though...

I was searching through the internet and I found this

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8872/usacacu4ht.png
below it it said America in 10 years, do you believe it?

So do you believe it will happen, USA and Canada become one country along with Cuba.
I would think it more likely that the US and Mexico would merge before Canada would give up her independence. I've found that most Canadians are proud of their Country and its heritage, and rightly so. It's a beautiful, peaceful and fascinating land.

Doesn't anyone watch Babylon 5? Australia, the UK, Canada, Ireland, Japan, New Zealand, and the USA will unite by 2085.

As a Canadian, I think Canada should strengthen its ties with the EU and Japan. We have a lot more in common with either of these places than the United States.

As a Canadian, I think Canada should strengthen its ties with the EU and Japan. We have a lot more in common with either of these places than the United States.
Hear hear! Good for you (and us!) :D

Actually, I'm inclined to think that one reason we're unlikely to unify is that Americans persist in thinking that the Democratic party is left wing and ~70% of Canadians vote for parties that are far more left than the Democrats.

Honestly, if we agreed to adopt the US system of government, can you see us accepting less electoral votes than the US? After all, there is precedent for not basing the number of electoral college votes on the population of a state. It would all have to be negotiated. Given that Canada is highly unlikely to be begging the boon of statehood on bended knee, and given that our politicians would be hanging onto every thread of power they could, electoral college votes would be prime bargaining chips.

Canada would very likely be the bluest of the blue states (or 12 of the bluest states, whatever) -- it could cause some very drastic change in American politics.

And I think it unlikely in the extreme that 232 million Americans would choose to adopt the Canadian system of government, or give up any part of their consititution -- so any unification of the two countries would have to be Canada joining the States. Not an equal joining of partners or the States joining Canada. (although individual states joining Canada would be different - the balance of power would shift in Canada's favour then.)

That is probably as likely as this

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/Usa2_2.gif

is going to happen anytime soon...

And before some people get angry about it, this is purely intended as a joke - so show some humor (and if you don't have any, accept it as me testing the borders - no pun intended - of free speech) ;)

By the way: If I use the labels "America" and "Americans", does that only refer to the U.S. and its citizens?!? I always thought that Canada was part of the Americas (not to forget Mexico, Middle America and the whole Southern continent)?
What's the "official ruling" on that? :confused:

And as for Germany being an example of how two seperate countries join: the process in which what is now Germany appeared on the maps is called Reunification. The Federal Republic of Germany never accepted the forced split-up of the Fatherland, that is why we actually never recognized the German Democratic Republic as a sovereign nation!
(Not to emphasize that Czechoslovakia split into Slovakia and the Czech Republic some time after the fall of the Iron Curtain... And since when did Poland & Lithuania become one country? And it's not like the people living in Yugoslavia had much of a choice!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish-Lithuanian_Commonwealth

But a couple of good examples are the unification of the German states in 1871 or the Italian states, if you want to go for similar yet divergent culture

Not to mention Spain - and the ongoing independence battle the Catalonians keep starting up again...

I support an economic, political and social union
of all the hispanic nations including portugese speaking
Brazil, similar to the European Union, as long as
they are democratic.

With diffrent political partys offering
diffrent economic, political and social
points of view.

With private social civil organizations
not under government control, as long
as they dont discriminate against others.

Then if that Union wants to join an
economi, political and social union with
the USA and Canada so be it.

Some sort of free trade agreement between
The USA, Canada and Cuba as long as
Cuba is democratic would be ok.

Then,
democratic, political, economic and social unions
between regions of nations can lead to a
world government.

And I think it unlikely in the extreme that 232 million Americans would choose to adopt the Canadian system of government, or give up any part of their consititution -- so any unification of the two countries would have to be Canada joining the States. Not an equal joining of partners or the States joining Canada. (although individual states joining Canada would be different - the balance of power would shift in Canada's favour then.)

Yeah, I mean, most of you Americans don't even like Massachusetts and California anyway, so we'd be happy to take them.

Heck, why don't you throw in Oregon, Washington, Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire while you're at it?

Yeah, I mean, most of you Americans don't even like Massachusetts and California anyway, so we'd be happy to take them.

Heck, why don't you throw in Oregon, Washington, Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire while you're at it?

Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, New Jersey too.

Ok here is the opinion of the Largely Unpopular George W. Republican.

I love the US I lke what lil I know of Canada. My opinion is both country's should stay indepent not just of each other but completely. The EU (or any one world goverment) is a Bad idea. Why because in a world goverment the ratio of representive to the people goes down. Meaning a small group of people telling the populas how to live.

As for the original topic and the nation bashing both countrys have strong points both have weak points. But the simple truth is Both the US and Canada are wonderful places to live.

Okay.

Czechoslovakia
Poland-Lithuania
Germany
Yugoslavia (eventually a bad example, I know)

The US and Canada are a lot closer to one another than anyone here seems to be willing to admit, and if there is ever going to be a unified world government (which I personally would like to see, and I know many people would detest), then US-Canada is one of the more obvious places for it to start.


Uh, 3 of those 4 are bad examples. Czechoslovakia no longer exists, Lithuniania and Poland are seperate countrie for a long time now, and Yugoslavia should have been called Titoslavia, because he was the only thing keeping the various, (now independent) states held together.

In recent cases of UN decisions being ignored by the US and British over the current Iraq war, as much as we can hope that the UN helps make a better world, I fear it may be heading for a "League of Nations" conclusion - harks back to Italy's invasion of Abysinnia... that marked the beginning of the end.The UN has grown to be bigger than the League ever was, and it's not based on the notion of unanimous decisions. The UN has been unable to prevent conflicts before, but that isn't its only duty anymore.

Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, New Jersey too.

If you'll give them we'll take them.

I support an economic, political and social union
of all the hispanic nations including portugese speaking
Brazil, similar to the European Union, as long as
they are democratic.

With diffrent political partys offering
diffrent economic, political and social
points of view.

With private social civil organizations
not under government control, as long
as they dont discriminate against others.

Then if that Union wants to join an
economi, political and social union with
the USA and Canada so be it.

Some sort of free trade agreement between
The USA, Canada and Cuba as long as
Cuba is democratic would be ok.

Then,
democratic, political, economic and social unions
between regions of nations can lead to a
world government.



Why do all of your posts read like bad free verse?

Or should I say that La Habana Cubas posts
are oddly choppped up.
Giving them the semblance of
a poem from a collection of excerable
free verse writtten by a person
with an obvious political agenda.

Uh, 3 of those 4 are bad examples. Czechoslovakia no longer exists, Lithuniania and Poland are seperate countrie for a long time now, and Yugoslavia should have been called Titoslavia, because he was the only thing keeping the various, (now independent) states held together.

They are perfect examples of what I was asked for, nations that unified peacefully.

Ok here is the opinion of the Largely Unpopular George W. Republican.

I love the US I lke what lil I know of Canada. My opinion is both country's should stay indepent not just of each other but completely. The EU (or any one world goverment) is a Bad idea. Why because in a world goverment the ratio of representive to the people goes down. Meaning a small group of people telling the populas how to live.

It works like that in the United States as well, you know.

The UN has grown to be bigger than the League ever was, and it's not based on the notion of unanimous decisions. The UN has been unable to prevent conflicts before, but that isn't its only duty anymore.

This is true, and I'm in full support of the UN, it's just when the superpowers of the time start to disregard international relations bodies such as the UN (Like the US asking for immunity from the International Criminal Court HRW Newslink (http://www.hrw.org/press/2002/07/icc071202.htm)), it makes the respect of such establishments wane. The UN is certainly more powerful than the League, agreed, which is why it would be a shame for it to collapse in such a fashion.

Roll Over!?

Not in a million years would I want my country to be taken over by the States. No offence intended, but I think we are just too different to get that close to each other.

Personally, my dream is to have Canada join the European Union. [Yeah, I know how popular that opinion is, but I still hold it!].


P.S.: [Here I go again with my unpopular opinions...] I think in ten years the U.S. will be in even worse shape than it is now. Maybe if we are lucky Maine or Alaska will join Canada! ;-)
The United States economy is greatly held back by their reliance on oil then when their off of oil at least foreign oil then their economy at least what I have heard and seen would recover to pre 9/11 levels or near pre 9/11 levels, maybe even higher. Also about Alaska and Maine will never join Canada if they succeeded they will be breaking laws of the United States they prevent states from breaking off of the U.S. and if they are supported by Canada the U.S. will most likely invade and, no offense, Canada will be completely overwhelmed and as they are army, navy, and air force are far smaller. To also point the Canadian dollar is weaker then the U.S. dollar.

well because the U.N. has no balls went it comes to superpowers...because it is those countries that hold the U.N. together and i dont think alot of peacekeepers will be allowed into the U.S. if it violates a treaty.


and the the U.S. has been at the forfront of the U.N.,korea,bosnia and yugoslavia just to name a few have had a majority of forces come from the U.S.

The United States economy is greatly held back by their reliance on oil then when their off of oil at least foreign oil then their economy at least what I have heard and seen would recover to pre 9/11 levels or near pre 9/11 levels, maybe even higher. Also about Alaska and Maine will never join Canada if they succeeded they will be breaking laws of the United States they prevent states from breaking off of the U.S. and if they are supported by Canada the U.S. will most likely invade and, no offense, Canada will be completely overwhelmed and as they are army, navy, and air force are far smaller. To also point the Canadian dollar is weaker then the U.S. dollar.
and our politicians want it that way. Our economy is set up as to take advantage of that fact. It does not prove anything it itself. See the chinese yen for example. Do you honestly think you could win against China because it's currency is lower than your dollar?

If so, then be ready to join the EU as the Euro is higher thatn the US Dollar.

and our politicians want it that way. Our economy is set up as to take advantage of that fact. It does not prove anything it itself. See the chinese yen for example. Do you honestly think you could win against Chiona because it's currency is lower than your dollar?

If so, then be ready to join the EU as the Euro is higher thatn the US Dollar.

Good thing someone caught that. The strength of a dollar is not an indication of the strength of a country. In fact, it can sometimes even be the exact opposite.

Anyway, Maine and Alaska might not care that they were breaking US law because they were no longer part of the US, but that's all hypothetical anyway.

Why would Canada won't to take over the US? ;)

I remember reading a newspaper article back in 1989 that was predicting possible things to come in the following decade (1990-1999). One of the "predictions" was that Canada would become the U.S.'s 52nd through 57th states (the 51st would be Puerto Rico).

This obviously didn't happen, and for obvious reasons it won't.

Combining these governments would require monumental organizational and legal changes. For something like that to happen, there would have to be a tremendously compelling reason. There is nothing about our situations that would make Canadians, Americans, and especially Cubans want to consolidate themselves politically--so why go through all that trouble? I mean, heck, the Canadian province of Quebec has been trying to gain autonomy for decades and just barely remained united the last election they held to separate. Canada can't even keep themselves in one piece... what makes anyone think that they would want to unite with the Americans under one flag?

This is true, and I'm in full support of the UN, it's just when the superpowers of the time start to disregard international relations bodies such as the UN (Like the US asking for immunity from the International Criminal Court HRW Newslink (http://www.hrw.org/press/2002/07/icc071202.htm)), it makes the respect of such establishments wane. The UN is certainly more powerful than the League, agreed, which is why it would be a shame for it to collapse in such a fashion.

Feh. The reason the UN loses respect and *deserves* to lose respect is things like the Food for Oil scandal.

http://instapundit.com/archives/024910.php

Things like that make the UN deserve all the disregarding we can give them. Given that they're nothing more than a gang of unelected politicians whose only talent is to avoid traffic tickets for illegal parking I hardly see why anyone would be silly enough to take them seriously. :rolleyes:

I wasn't a history major, so there may be an example I'm unaware of. Can you please give me an example where 2 nations have peacefully and voluntarily chosen to join together to become one nation in the past? I don't feel that provinces joining Canada or states joining the US are good examples, since they weren't separate countres to begin with...

The reason I assumed it had to be annexation is that history has shown me that military annexation is how 2 countries become 1.

Actually, the states joining the US *are* a good example. The colonies regarded themselves as seperate states from one another and the name "These United States" that only changed in the 20th Century is a reminder of this. It wasn't until around 1763 that the push for unity between the colonies began. It's also worth remembering that Texas was a distinctly sovereign nation for 12 years after winning its independance from Mexico before it opted to join the US and there was strong sentiment for staying that way.


A more ancient example of one nation becoming a part of another on a voluntary basis was a king of Macedonia who left his kingdom to the republic of Rome in his will.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8872/usacacu4ht.png
below it it said America in 10 years, do you believe it?
Nah....
How about this:
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7242/usa0cr.jpg :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish-Lithuanian_Commonwealth
Thanks for the link.

P.S.: [Here I go again with my unpopular opinions...] I think in ten years the U.S. will be in even worse shape than it is now. Maybe if we are lucky Maine or Alaska will join Canada! ;-)

Alaska, great idea... NOT Alaska's not even worth it
and the EU will collapse

I've heard persistent rumours that a portion of one of the northeastern states (my American geography isn't so good) has been left more or less isolated, to the extent that there aren't any roads in or out to the rest of the state - although there are roads that connect it to Canada. The only access to the outside world is as I recall a ferry that has seen better days.

According to the rumour, they've grown progressively so fed up so fed up with the lack of govt service and infrastructure that they want their area to become part of Canada instead. I know it's adjacent to the Great Lakes, I'm thinking maybe it was the northern tip of Wisconsin? (sorry, no links, my info was vague at best)

Ok here is the opinion of the Largely Unpopular George W. Republican.

I love the US I lke what lil I know of Canada. My opinion is both country's should stay indepent not just of each other but completely. The EU (or any one world goverment) is a Bad idea. Why because in a world goverment the ratio of representive to the people goes down. Meaning a small group of people telling the populas how to live.

As for the original topic and the nation bashing both countrys have strong points both have weak points. But the simple truth is Both the US and Canada are wonderful places to live.

Hmm even less reresentation than the US has now? If thats what this meant thats scary! Because The US goverment isnt Perfect by any means. (but then No goverment is.) But I do agree one world goverment is bad and let me add..................................................
Get the US out of the UN & the UN out of the US!