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American sport

Arz

18-08-2005, 23:31

Colodia

18-08-2005, 23:32

1. I know.
2. Yay.
3. It's about damn time.

Kinda what went on in my head as I read.

Drunk commies deleted

18-08-2005, 23:33

You forgot Hockey. Poland too.

Ay-way

19-08-2005, 02:07

Soccer is gonna take over and the reason why is because all the kiddies are being taken to soccer by their mommies.

I like soccer a lot... its the only sport where I can sit down in front of the TV, watch it from end to end and not lose interest or fall asleep. And thats even though I love the statistical and historical aspect of baseball and like football a good deal in small doses.

Hockey would be a great sport if they doubled the size of the rink. As it is there seems to be no speed in it, just a bunch of guys in padding pressing other guys against the wall with their sticks. Basketball scores are so high that you can't get excited about someone making a basket. The original height of the basket was probably set so that it would be so much higher that the tallest player. The guy who designed it didn't think that guys who were 7'+ would be putting the ball in the basket. Make the baskets 50 feet high! Make the final scores something like 8-4! Now theres a sport!

But back to soccer, I dunno if my opinion on soccer counts. I'm an imported Brit.

They've been saying soccer is gonna take over since the 70's and since then we've had 2 major work stoppages in baseball, a football (American) strike, and over a year without hockey and still no-one here could give a shit less about the MLS or the World Cup, unless they come from a soccer playing country. Its a damn shame cuz I'd like to see more MLS and international matches on the TV. It doesn't help the popularity of the sport here that the last World Cup games were mostly played at 2-4 am US time. When will they be played this coming time? Like 1-4 pm EST or so while everyone is at work? Not that that's anyones fault of course, just a statement of fact.

Laerod

19-08-2005, 02:09

Americai

19-08-2005, 07:07

It is no surprise that Basketball is so damn popular in the USA because it is pretty much the only big time free flowing sport they have. American football about as action packed as a game of chess and baseball seems to be really stop start as well.

Soccer is gonna take over and the reason why is because all the kiddies are being taken to soccer by their mommies.

I doubt it. Soccer is boring to. Basketball is popular due to cultural preference within certain groups. Baseball is easy to play. Hockey isn't even played in warm parts of the country. Football is everywhere across the nation and the most recognized American sport.

That doesn't make them popular or good sports. I sincerly doubt soccer will be as popular as it is now. It IS popular, but only to a point where we only care so much about it. Untill the US has a team that consistantly wins world cups, most people aren't going to even know there are soccer games happening. With football, we KNOW the season. We are raised to know it. Its what we do in school and what most of our schools depend on for revenue. Soccer cant even begin to compete with that.

However best sports to watch are boxing and women's beach volleyball. Period.

Valori

19-08-2005, 07:12

Undelia

19-08-2005, 07:15

Homieville

19-08-2005, 14:32

America plays to much of that stupid baseball whats the point of that sport anyway?

Potaria

19-08-2005, 14:43

American football about as action packed as a game of chess

Oh, I see you've been following the Detroit Lions.

Potaria

19-08-2005, 14:44

America plays to much of that stupid baseball whats the point of that sport anyway?

Ever tried it? It's quite difficult to actually hit the ball, if you've got a decent pitcher throwing it.

Even Newer Twuntland

19-08-2005, 14:47

COME ON YOU IRONS!!!

<<West Ham fan revels in the fact that, after one week, The Hammers are joint top of The Premiership!>>

Andaluciae

19-08-2005, 14:47

America plays to much of that stupid baseball whats the point of that sport anyway?
To win the game :D

Kragmeer

19-08-2005, 14:57

Soccer is boring, neither side ever scores. It’s only popular with kids because it requires less athletic ability and inherited skills to play and have a good time, at a young age anyway. None of those kids watch professional soccer or anything.

Football is suspenseful, that’s why it’s great.

There's no athletic ability in 'soccer'. Maybe in America, hence the lack of progression in most major competitions. But athletically and strategically 'soccer' beats most sports.

And 'soccer' is far more suspenseful, a team hanging on in the last minute of a match, if they concede a goal or a team at another match scores, they could be relegated, they get pushed further and further back untill they defend very deeply. Just one small situation as an example and it brought great suspense (WBA staying up last season, I aint a Baggies fan but I certainly supported them the last game of the season.)

No-one ever scores? Champions League final, AC Milan winnign 3-0, Liverpool come out 2nd half and score 3...yeah no-one ever scores, and that was so boring

Even Newer Twuntland

19-08-2005, 15:07

Drunk commies deleted

19-08-2005, 15:13

America plays to much of that stupid baseball whats the point of that sport anyway?
The point is to run home.

Kragmeer

19-08-2005, 15:13

My Stafford-based friend, this is clearly a post by some uninformed eejit who knows nothing of the beautiful game.

(Although I must admit I'm a rugby man at heart).

He describes American Football as "suspenseful"... I call it lots of rather fat people wearing padding and taking 4 hours to complete a one hour match, and where the main event is the hotdog seller.

COME ON YOU IRONS!!! (Footie hat on)
TIGER! TIGERS! (Rugger hat on)

Lol, I read somewhere that 1/4 of proffessional American Football players are clinically obese (may not have been 1/4, I've got the memory of a 75 year old, but it was something quite shocking)

Free Beer and Lover

19-08-2005, 15:19

I have to say american football gets a bad name over here, i've played it and i also play rugby, both are great sports but i can guarantee american football hurts a lot more than rugby despite all the padding.

the fact is both sports are superior to soccer.

Syniks

19-08-2005, 15:31

It is no surprise that Basketball is so damn popular in the USA because it is pretty much the only big time free flowing sport they have. Heaill, what about NASCAR? That there's about as free flowin as y'all can git! :D

American football about as action packed as a game of chessYeah. It all went to hell when they took the short swords away from the line and changed the spear reciever from the Enemy... err, opposing team Quarterback to someone from your own team. :mad:
and baseball seems to be really stop start as well. And this differs from Cricket? "Tea Break!" :D
Soccer is gonna take over and the reason why is because all the kiddies are being taken to soccer by their mommies.Yeah, there simply aren't enough riots in US sports to make them interesting. :rolleyes: :p

Hemingsoft

19-08-2005, 16:00

Copiosa Scotia

19-08-2005, 18:59

Soccer is gonna take over and the reason why is because all the kiddies are being taken to soccer by their mommies.

Look, I love soccer, but this is simply not true. Parents have been putting their little kids on soccer teams for years, and what happens when those kids get to middle school? For the most part, the best athletes move on to American football.

Drunk commies deleted

19-08-2005, 19:01

Look, I love soccer, but this is simply not true. Parents have been putting their little kids on soccer teams for years, and what happens when those kids get to middle school? For the most part, the best athletes move on to American football.
When Hispanics become a large enough minority in the USA Soccer's popularity will take off here.

Copiosa Scotia

19-08-2005, 19:02

Lol, I read somewhere that 1/4 of proffessional American Football players are clinically obese (may not have been 1/4, I've got the memory of a 75 year old, but it was something quite shocking)

That's more an indictment of the way obesity is measured than of American football players. Bear in mind that most of those 300-pound linemen can still outrun you.

Mirchaz

19-08-2005, 19:13

...still no-one here could give a shit less about the MLS or the World Cup, unless they come from a soccer playing country. Its a damn shame cuz I'd like to see more MLS and international matches on the TV. It doesn't help the popularity of the sport here that the last World Cup games were mostly played at 2-4 am US time. When will they be played this coming time? Like 1-4 pm EST or so while everyone is at work? Not that that's anyones fault of course, just a statement of fact.

I don't know about you, but i'm American (not imported like you say you are) and i like to watch soccer. the damned problem is that they rarely show any games, and if they do, it's on ESPN2 and they don't tell you about it (stupid tv guide channel went away).

the last world cup was awesome. I watched every game except for the USA/Germany one where we lost (forgot why i missed it, but we had it on TIVO!) as far as the time it came on, i had to work @ 10am the next day, but i stayed up watching the matches live. eh. I think what they should do is replay the world cup at a later time as well as showing it 1-4Est. anywhos, thought i'd throw in my two cents on soccer. (prefers baseball, football and hockey really, but will watch soccer to. (hates basketball))

Ythpstr2000

19-08-2005, 19:14

Paintball owns all... :gundge:

Copiosa Scotia

19-08-2005, 19:20

When Hispanics become a large enough minority in the USA Soccer's popularity will take off here.

Yeah, that's a much more likely scenario.

Nadkor

19-08-2005, 23:05

Heaill, what about NASCAR? That there's about as free flowin as y'all can git! :D
My arse. They seem to throw out a yellow everytime a driver farts. How is that 'free flowing'?

And it's boring, too.

Syniks

19-08-2005, 23:19

My arse. They seem to throw out a yellow everytime a driver farts. How is that 'free flowing'? Oh, sorry, I thought the OP meant "Beer". :D

And it's boring, too.
Only when nobody dies.

Anser

19-08-2005, 23:34

Plainwell Nation

20-08-2005, 00:02

LOL, well to all those who say that "soccer" is unpopular and boring, should take a look outside the USA and try to see why the rest of the world view it as the most popular and exciting sport around :D

In addition, I think many more non-US sports fans would appreciate American football if they'd just lose the padding, the big babies....if Rugby players can do it, so should they!! :D

But Football tends to be more wide open than rugby. They are really two totally different sports and shouldn't think "football is for pussies because they wear pads". While they aren't really needed alot of the time, they really do save lives and bodies from permanent disability.

Copiosa Scotia

20-08-2005, 00:23

Anser

20-08-2005, 02:13

Please. If you don't wear pads in American football, you won't just get hurt. You'll die.

Watch Rugby :)

Americai

20-08-2005, 06:38

Heaill, what about NASCAR? That there's about as free flowin as y'all can git! :D

stfu.

When Hispanics become a large enough minority in the USA Soccer's popularity will take off here.

Here's the problem with that theory. A lot of the hispanics' offspring end up being native American citizens. Even if their parents are up on foreign games, their kids tend to become Americanized if they are raised here mostly.

Paintball owns all... :gundge:

A winner here, we have. - Yoda

LOL, well to all those who say that "soccer" is unpopular and boring, should take a look outside the USA and try to see why the rest of the world view it as the most popular and exciting sport around :D

In addition, I think many more non-US sports fans would appreciate American football if they'd just lose the padding, the big babies....if Rugby players can do it, so should they!! :D

Its popular world wide because of socialization. There is really no other reason. Its the same reason why football is hugely popular in the US. We American citizens have our whole society based around football just as the world has their soccer. Thus, as the society learns football and interacts with it more and has most of its other citizens involved or aware of football, it becomes the main sport of intrest BY DEFAULT. This has NOTHING to do with sports. It has to do with sociology and a bit of psychology.

In my honest opinion, Football DOES tend to be a bit more intresting than soccer because of the brutal hits involved and a few intresting plays that do tend to crop up now and then, but objectively they are both boring as hell. Soccer just tends to be even MORE boring. Its above Golf boring, but it is still Basketball and Baseball boring. The game's field is to big, the players don't score much at all, they also run around the field so much that you tend to lose intrest if your not a sport fan.

Hockey is more intresting than soccer event though the basic layout is the same, and I don't even watch it much. Its just faster, more violent, requires less time to spend viewing.

Just don't mistake soccer's world popularity with the idea that its popular because its good. It isn't. The world just has NOTHING ELSE TO ****ING DO WITH ITS TIME.

Rambozo

20-08-2005, 06:40

Pepe Dominguez

20-08-2005, 07:33

Anyone here from California? We have more Spanish-language channels than English ones it seems sometimes. And they all play hours of soccer every day it seems. In fact, I just watched Mexico vs. Costa Rica yesterday (still 0-0 at the half, when I fell asleep).

Still, second-generation Hispanics tend to drop soccer like a hot potato, and gravitate toward traditional sports, from what I've seen. The only guy I knew who played soccer as a kid past the age of 12 was a Filipino. Filipinos, incidentally, love basketball and follow U.S. teams, watch NBA games, everything. It's not the national sport, but you can't find a school without a basketball hoop over there, even if it's made out of bamboo. Anyhow, point is: soccer isn't making any headway here. Most people don't even remember that we hosted the World Cup 10 years ago, and the L.A. games didn't do a thing for general interest.

Avika

20-08-2005, 08:00

American Football shall remain more popular than soccer(international football) in the US. It's a cultural thing. American football tends to have way more injuries, even when the players are wearing 100-pounds of armor. Americans love the sounds of helmets colliding. Plus, it tends to be more complex and strategic than Soccer. There are way more rules to remember and quarterbacks often have to make up plans on the fly. I guess soccer is more popular overall because it's simple. I prefer football over Soccer. funner to watch. Funner to play. Plus, my old high school had a football player die during a game, even with padding on. the whole padding thing came to be after Americans became tired of football players dying.

Americai

20-08-2005, 08:23

the whole padding thing came to be after Americans became tired of football players dying.

I don't see how anybody could get tired of that. THAT'S some entertainment.

Avika

20-08-2005, 08:24

You'd get tired of it when there's no players left.

Americai

20-08-2005, 08:37

lol, pay them money and there will always be players "left".

Undelia

20-08-2005, 10:12

There's no athletic ability in 'soccer'. Maybe in America, hence the lack of progression in most major competitions. But athletically and strategically 'soccer' beats most sports.

And 'soccer' is far more suspenseful, a team hanging on in the last minute of a match, if they concede a goal or a team at another match scores, they could be relegated, they get pushed further and further back untill they defend very deeply. Just one small situation as an example and it brought great suspense (WBA staying up last season, I aint a Baggies fan but I certainly supported them the last game of the season.)

No-one ever scores? Champions League final, AC Milan winnign 3-0, Liverpool come out 2nd half and score 3...yeah no-one ever scores, and that was so boring
*Laughs at what you consider a large score.*
I said it requires no athletic ability to play and enjoy recreationally.

Kibolonia

20-08-2005, 10:42

Rugby is grab ass (and the occasional finger in the ass). Rugby players would be crushed by 300lb linemen who can dunk basketballs and run 40 meters just shy of 5 seconds. Forget the other skill positions. Soccer is slow, coma inducing, nonsense with shorts. It's fine for children and girls. The only thing we like about professional soccer in America is the hooliganing. That amuses us. Keep it up and over there, whereever that happens to be.

Most of the world lives in squalid tyranny, many having to carry water home and dig holes to shit in. These are more thinks that will not 'catch on' in America.

Baseball is for the numbers freaks, basketball for the fans of frenetic action. And the crown jewel, American football, is the dramitization of The Art of War with a ball, built for TV. I think with a few minor changes, and ubiquitious 1080p tvs hockey will catch on. Live it's increadible. But soccer is womens basketball for men. Give it up, we think it sucks, Americans who really love soccer and can play it at a professional level can always goto europe.

Oh there's room for more sport in America, there's professional dodgeball for gods sake, but Soccer, that's DOA.

Sdaeriji

20-08-2005, 11:23

*Laughs at what you consider a large score.*
I said it requires no athletic ability to play and enjoy recreationally.

It's popular amongst kids and their parents because it requires like $30 investment, as opposed to hundreds of dollars for football or hockey.

Sdaeriji

20-08-2005, 11:25

In addition, I think many more non-US sports fans would appreciate American football if they'd just lose the padding, the big babies....if Rugby players can do it, so should they!! :D

As someone who has played both rugby and American football, may I say you are talking out of your anus. If you truly believe football players could go without pads, I encourage you to play a game at QB, sans padding. I'll play line.

Cadillac-Gage

20-08-2005, 11:37

Okay, soccer fans, here's a wakeyouup. American Football is popular in the US, but in CANADA, the game isn't "Soccer" or "Futbol", it's "HOCKEY!!!!" (and Hockey, incidentally, is rising in popularity here in the states at a rate somewhere around a hundered times as fast as pro Soccer's best year.)

Why? In European style play, Hockey is a lot like soccer, whereas in NHL play, Hockey is mostly known (to non-fanatics) as a game where guys with sticks on ice-skates beat the hell out of one another over a little rubber plug. Scoring is viewed by most U.S. based Americans as secondary to the fights in Hockey.

In American football, the appeal is similar. If it weren't for the possibility of Litigation, the helmets would be spiked and the pads would be replaced with something that does more damage. As it is, the game is very much like a series of napoleonic infantry excercises and military-style strategy appeals to Americans.

Sdaeriji

20-08-2005, 11:41

In American football, the appeal is similar. If it weren't for the possibility of Litigation, the helmets would be spiked and the pads would be replaced with something that does more damage. As it is, the game is very much like a series of napoleonic infantry excercises and military-style strategy appeals to Americans.

And everyone would be on fire. :D

Aust

20-08-2005, 13:19

Rugby is grab ass (and the occasional finger in the ass). Rugby players would be crushed by 300lb linemen who can dunk basketballs and run 40 meters just shy of 5 seconds.

But can a linesman do what Rocothoco can and run 100m in udner 11 seconds for a 80 minaute match? I don't think so. Can a American footballer survive a 80 minuate match playing in the forwards , the answer is...NO.

Soccer is slow, coma inducing, nonsense with shorts. It's fine for children and girls. The only thing we like about professional soccer in America is the hooliganing. That amuses us. Keep it up and over there, whereever that happens to be.

You know, American football has the smae effect on me.
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Jakutopia

20-08-2005, 13:33

It is no surprise that Basketball is so damn popular in the USA because it is pretty much the only big time free flowing sport they have. American football about as action packed as a game of chess and baseball seems to be really stop start as well.

Soccer is gonna take over and the reason why is because all the kiddies are being taken to soccer by their mommies.

European "football" (soccer) is becoming more popular - but I doubt it will take over. Ask 5 Americans which is the best sport and you will get 5 different answers - football, baseball, basketball, hockey and soccer. And yes, those mommies are taking them to soccer but they are still also taking them to little league football and baseball. I suspect soccer will continue to increase in popularity here until our National team can win the World Cup - then it will level off and become equal with the other 4 favorite sports here.

Potaria

20-08-2005, 13:45

But can a linesman do what Rocothoco can and run 100m in udner 11 seconds for a 80 minaute match? I don't think so. Can a American footballer survive a 80 minuate match playing in the forwards , the answer is...NO.

A lineman can't, but defensive backs, corner backs, receivers, running backs, and some quarterbacks can. The rare linebacker is that fast, but that's less than 2% of them.

However, the big defensive players aren't made for speed. They're pure bulk, and if they can (and they will) catch you, you're in for it.

Aust

20-08-2005, 16:08

A lineman can't, but defensive backs, corner backs, receivers, running backs, and some quarterbacks can. The rare linebacker is that fast, but that's less than 2% of them.

However, the big defensive players aren't made for speed. They're pure bulk, and if they can (and they will) catch you, you're in for it.
Sounds like a forwards, but don't you play the game in 3 minuate plays? In rugby it's 40 minuates, with a few stops-5 minuates break-80 minuates. Thats take incredable stamina, somthing football players won't be able to do with the empasis on power. Rugbys far more about stamina and conditioning and skill, not just how big the players mucals are.

Valosia

20-08-2005, 16:43

Soccer is a sport you play as a kid in the US, until you are old enough to play the better sports.

Copiosa Scotia

20-08-2005, 16:58

Watch Rugby :)

I've watched rugby many times. My point stands. Football is more wide-open, with bigger hits and players who are faster over a short distance.

Drunk commies deleted

20-08-2005, 17:02

Soccer is a sport you play as a kid in the US, until you are old enough to play the better sports.
True. I played soccer before I got to high school. In high school I didn't play soccer, I wrestled and did the weight events in spring track.

Copiosa Scotia

20-08-2005, 17:03

Sounds like a forwards, but don't you play the game in 3 minuate plays? In rugby it's 40 minuates, with a few stops-5 minuates break-80 minuates. Thats take incredable stamina, somthing football players won't be able to do with the empasis on power. Rugbys far more about stamina and conditioning and skill, not just how big the players mucals are.

Stamina is the one area in which rugby players have an advantage (and I'll admit, it's a sizable one) over football players, and rugby's focus on endurance instead of pure power is the reason football players have to wear full padding and rugby players don't.

Nadkor

20-08-2005, 17:57

I've watched rugby many times. My point stands. Football is more wide-open, with bigger hits and players who are faster over a short distance.
And it takes all day to play a match because they have to keep stopping. Rugby goes pretty much non-stop for 40 minutes, 5 minute break, then another 40 minutes. And rugby is far more about long term tactics, building up over a long period of time. And it doesn't stop every two minutes, it keeps going, keeps going, keeps going.

And players aren't fast? Ever heard of Brian O'Driscoll or Dennis Hickie?

Copiosa Scotia

20-08-2005, 18:24

And players aren't fast? Ever heard of Brian O'Driscoll or Dennis Hickie?

Hey, I'm sure they're fast. I just doubt very much that they're faster over a short distance than guys like Michael Bennett (Big Ten champion sprinter), Santana Moss (Big East 60-yard dash winner), or Lavaranues Coles (who reportedly once ran a 40-yard dash in 4.16 seconds).

Aust

20-08-2005, 19:17

Hey, I'm sure they're fast. I just doubt very much that they're faster over a short distance than guys like Michael Bennett (Big Ten champion sprinter), Santana Moss (Big East 60-yard dash winner), or Lavaranues Coles (who reportedly once ran a 40-yard dash in 4.16 seconds).
Jow Rockothoco and his cousain Sivitu, 2 NZ wings who can do 100m in 9/10 seconds, if they trained it's likly they could be world class sprinter, seriously world class.

Copiosa Scotia

20-08-2005, 19:37

Jow Rockothoco and his cousain Sivitu, 2 NZ wings who can do 100m in 9/10 seconds, if they trained it's likly they could be world class sprinter, seriously world class.

Considering the current world record is 9.77 seconds by Asafa Powell, I'm very skeptical of this claim.

Pantycellen

20-08-2005, 19:46

can anyone actually tell me the difference between american football and rugby without the skill and with armour?

welsh baseball is much better (more dangerous as well)

Ice hockey is okay but field hockey is much better I think

girls hockey is increadably violent

my school's girls hockey team in one match broke 1 nose 2 arms and 1 shin (all the opposing teams)

Copiosa Scotia

20-08-2005, 19:49

can anyone actually tell me the difference between american football and rugby without the skill and with armour?

Where do we get the idea that there's less "skill" involved in American football than rugby. At any position, with the exceptions of kicker and punter, American football requires at least as much precision technique.

Alablablania

20-08-2005, 19:55

The Brits just don't like American Football 'cause they are no good at it :D

Avika

20-08-2005, 20:02

American Football requires more specialization than Soccer. With soccer, you have one guy blocking ball and the rest kicking it per team. With football, you have your quarterback, some guys blocking the other team, you have to be able to run pretty fast in bulky padding while praying that your knee doesn't get torn off by the next tackle. You have to ba able to tackle. You have to run fast. You also have to be able to catch a ball while running in the same direction as the ball is going. You also need to strategies your next play in only a few seconds. You also have more rules to memorize in American football than international football. American football can get pretty violent. Thus, padding is required.

Pantycellen

20-08-2005, 20:08

because you are allowed to plan more

you have armour

your allowed to pass forward

all of these take skill away from the individuall player

acctually my university has an american football team

its just all the twats play american football as they like jumping on people and kicking them

they are annoying and vain

its because all the good people go into better sports

Avika

20-08-2005, 20:11

You try running past a line of bulky men trying to tackle you and then we'll talk.

Copiosa Scotia

20-08-2005, 20:28

all of these take skill away from the individuall player

Do they? Let's see...

because you are allowed to plan more

How exactly does an increase in planning necessitate a reduction in skill?

[quote]you have armour

In American football, you need padding. The average hit from an NFL linebacker or safety (the guys on the team who usually make the most tackles) exerts a force on the body equivalent to a headfirst dive off the crossbar of the goalposts. I don't care what sport you've been playing all your life, like I said before, if you don't wear pads in American football, you die.

your allowed to pass forward

This merely means that some players have to develop a skills: The ability to throw a forward pass with pinpoint accuracy and sometimes over a great distance, the ability to run a route that gets you open to catch a forward pass, the ability to protect the passer, which is fundamentally different from run-blocking, the ability to cover a receiver downfield... I could go on, but hopefully you see the point.

acctually my university has an american football team

its just all the twats play american football as they like jumping on people and kicking them

they are annoying and vain

its because all the good people go into better sports

I don't know anything about your university, so I'm not in much of a position to argue with this (except to say that kicking people in American football is illegal). I hope you'll understand, though, that your personal anecdotes don't carry much weight in this discussion unless you can show that they illustrate a wider trend.

Aust

20-08-2005, 20:35

Considering the current world record is 9.77 seconds by Asafa Powell, I'm very skeptical of this claim.
I know it's somwhere in the 10 secs region, I'll see if I can find it out exactly.

Aust

20-08-2005, 20:36

You try running past a line of bulky men trying to tackle you and then we'll talk.
Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.

Copiosa Scotia

20-08-2005, 20:54

I know it's somwhere in the 10 secs region, I'll see if I can find it out exactly.

That makes more sense, and it's consistent with some of the faster players in the NFL.

Bedou

20-08-2005, 21:05

I have noted the respective Uiversities of these atheletes please note the size of these men, and the speed at which this bulk moves, note the long jump, and the amazing verticle jump--these men are not merely "in shape" they are peak preformers and they are not even top quality professionals as these stats are from their University days. These sessions demonstrating their ability are for the NFL and do indeed pale in comparision to the stats of many of the Professional player who exceed these boys in speed strength and size.
It is absurd to presume that American Football is any less worthy of respect simply because it is American--which is what the arguments amount to in this thread.
Soccer(actually Football) will never become popular in America--for one single reason and for no other.
Ties.
Americans hate Ties, with a passion.
We want to see a W or an L but never ever a fecking Draw.
As many great men have said before me, "Ending in a tie is like kissing your sister--a waste of time."
We like winners and Losers, if you reach a draw and then stop--you are fecking quitters, play to the end!!, fight to the death!!!--do it for the Gipper!! and all that rigamaroll.

I dont like Football(Soccer for you Americans) because it is simply not to my taste. I like contact, real deliberate contact, I like violence(and not in the stands). I like American Football, Boxing, Hockey(oh blessed Hockey).

I dont think Football(Soccer) is stupid or weak, or for pussies--I simply think it does not suit my taste. The world grows more fond of American sports --because most men--HATE TIES--that is the draw of American Sport.

I say, that I cant run a ball up and down a filed in Rugby as good as pro-player from anywhere, or in American Football, or in Traditional Football--all those men are atheletes(I know I am spelling that wrong but I cant picture the right way) so dont detract from their hard work and effort--and in many cases inflated salaries--sit down and enjoy a pint, and punch the bastard in the nose who sits next to you in the wrong jersey.

Go Manchester.(I gotta cheer for someone-why not the best?)

NFL Pro Day
AIR FORCE ACADEMY
Darnell Stephens 6' 0.5" 197lbs
40 yrds 4.5 sec
33.5" verticle jump
9' 9" long jump
Bench 220lbs six times

AKRON
Chase Blackburn 6' 3.5" 250lbs
40yrds 4.8sec
31" verticle
9'5" long jump
Bench 24 times

Dwayne LeFall 6' 2.75" 256lbs
40yrds 4.7secs
34.5" verticle jump
10' 1" long jump
Bench 28 times

MISSISSIPPI STATE
Ronald Fields 6'2" 298lbs
40yrds 5.0sec
32"verticle jump
9' 2" long jump
Bench 22 times

Copiosa Scotia

20-08-2005, 21:31

Bedou's statistics bring up a point that you can't make just by comparing speeds: NFL players excel in nearly every measure of physical ability. Those four players aren't particularly well-known (actually, they're downright obscure) and they aren't from schools that have particularly successful football programs. Ronald Fields was drafted in the fifth round of the draft (which is fairly late), I don't believe Blackburn and LeFall were drafted at all, and as far as I can tell, Stephens wasn't even signed after the draft. (Bedou can feel free to correct me on any of this; I'm just going from what I can find in a few minutes on Google.) The point is, these statistics are not exceptional with respect to NFL players as a group. The guys who will actually play have numbers even better than these.

Kibolonia

20-08-2005, 22:26

But can a linesman do what Rocothoco can and run 100m in udner 11 seconds for a 80 minaute match? I don't think so. Can a American footballer survive a 80 minuate match playing in the forwards , the answer is...NO.
Won't matter, after Rocothoco's been caught that first time he's being airlifted for life saving surgery. But the guys in American football who you don't want to see in Rugby are the fullbacks, the ones who don't carry the ball and are fine with that.

How many Rugby players have medaled in olympic track events? In American football isn't not uncommon.

Avika

21-08-2005, 00:03

Yep. American Football can be a tough sport. The training excersizes can be grueling as you sometimes have to practice in triple digit temperatures(F, of course.). Some collapse from heat exhaustion and dehydration. By the end of the day, you'd be puking.

Americai

21-08-2005, 05:59

Soccer(actually Football) will never become popular in America--for one single reason and for no other.
Ties.
Americans hate Ties, with a passion.
We want to see a W or an L but never ever a fecking Draw.
As many great men have said before me, "Ending in a tie is like kissing your sister--a waste of time."
We like winners and Losers, if you reach a draw and then stop--you are fecking quitters, play to the end!!, fight to the death!!!--do it for the Gipper!! and all that rigamaroll.

Holy ****! I didn't know there were ties in soccer. Wtf is the point of the whole match if one side didn't actually win? Practice for a real game?

Avika

21-08-2005, 07:06

Appeasment, which didn't work for Europe during the dark, dark Hitler years and won't work in a nation that takes pride in never losing a war militarily.(technicly, Veitnam was a draw. If it wasn't, then it was a political defeat.) Americans love having winners and supporting the losers, depending on the loser. That is why the brutal death match of American Football and boxing will continue to entertain the American masses. Even Baseball has extra innings to prevent ties. If you tie for the manditory 9 innings, you keep on playing until one of you wins.

The East Inja Company

21-08-2005, 14:23

Potaria

21-08-2005, 14:25

Er, there are ties in Football, too. They don't happen very often at all, but they're there.

Bedou

21-08-2005, 14:32

Er, there are ties in Football, too. They don't happen very often at all, but they're there.

"Sudden Death
1. The sudden death system of determining the winner shall prevail when score is tied at the end of the regulation playing time of all NFL games. The team scoring first during overtime play shall be the winner and the game automatically ends upon any score (by safety, field goal, or touchdown) or when a score is awarded by Referee for a palpably unfair act.

2. At the end of regulation time the Referee will immediately toss coin at center of field in accordance with rules pertaining to the usual pregame toss. The captain of the visiting team will call the toss prior to the coin being flipped.

3. Following a three-minute intermission after the end of the regulation game, play will be continued in 15-minute periods or until there is a score*. There is a two-minute intermission between subsequent periods. The teams change goals at the start of each period. Each team has three time outs per half and all general timing provisions apply as during a regular game. Disqualified players are not allowed to return.
*Exception: In preseason and regular season games there shall be a maximum of 15 minutes of sudden death with two time outs instead of three. General provisions that apply for the fourth quarter will prevail. Try not attempted if touchdown scored. If there is no score in the 15 minutes, the game shall end in a tie. "

Yes there are indeed ties, lets see how many ties there were last season?

I invite you to find some recent ties--most if the famous ties I know of happened in the 20's.

Thu, Sep 9 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
New England 27, Indianapolis 24
Brady 335
James 142
Patten
Branch 86

Sat, Sep 11 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Tennessee 17, Miami 7
Feeley 173
Brown 101
McMichael 79

Sun, Sep 12 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
St. Louis 17, Arizona 10
Bulger 272
Faulk 128
Bruce 112

Seattle 21, New Orleans 7
Hasselbeck 246
Alexander 135
Horn 110

NY Jets 31, Cincinnati 24
Palmer 248
Martin 196
Johnson 99

Pittsburgh 24, Oakland 21
Gannon 305
Staley 91
Ward 99

Washington 16, Tampa Bay 10
Johnson 169
Portis 148
Gardner 61

San Diego 27, Houston 20
Carr 229
Tomlinson 121
Gates 123

Jacksonville 13, Buffalo 10
Bledsoe 153
Henry 75
Smith 83

Detroit 20, Chicago 16
Grossman 227
Jones 67
Terrell 126

Cleveland 20, Baltimore 3
Boller 191
Green 65
Heap 86

Atlanta 21, San Francisco 19
Rattay 175
Barlow 76
Wilson 94

Philadelphia 31, NY Giants 17
McNabb 330
Barber 125
Pinkston 76

Minnesota 35, Dallas 17
Testaverde 355
Smith 76
Bryant 112

Denver 34, Kansas City 24
Plummer 230
Griffin 156
Kennison 101

Mon, Sep 13 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Green Bay 24, Carolina 14
Delhomme 284
Green 119
Muhammad 65

Week 2
Sun, Sep 19 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Jacksonville 7, Denver 6
Plummer 250
Griffin 66
Smith 83

New Orleans 30, San Francisco 27
Brooks 279
Barlow 114
Stallworth 113

NY Giants 20, Washington 14
Warner 232
Portis 69
Coles 100

Detroit 28, Houston 16
Carr 313
Davis 78
Davis 95

Chicago 21, Green Bay 10
Favre 252
Jones 152
Walker 102

Baltimore 30, Pittsburgh 13
Roethlisberger 176
Taylor 76
Ward 151

Atlanta 34, St. Louis 17
Bulger 285
Vick 109
Holt 121

Indianapolis 31, Tennessee 17
McNair 273
Brown 152
Wayne 119

Carolina 28, Kansas City 17
Green 187
Foster 174
Morton 76

Seattle 10, Tampa Bay 6
Simms 175
Garner 75
Robinson 66

NY Jets 34, San Diego 28
Pennington 258
Martin 119
Moss 97

New England 23, Arizona 12
Brady 219
Dillon 158
Givens 120

Oakland 13, Buffalo 10
Gannon 209
Henry 67
Curry 89

Dallas 19, Cleveland 12
Testaverde 322
George 62
Glenn 90

Cincinnati 16, Miami 13
Feeley 218
Johnson 67
McMichael 93

Mon, Sep 20 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Philadelphia 27, Minnesota 16
Culpepper 343
Westbrook 69
Owens 79

Week 3
Sun, Sep 26 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
NY Giants 27, Cleveland 10
Warner 286
Barber 106
Toomer 126

Minnesota 27, Chicago 22
Culpepper 360
Jones 110
Moss 119

New Orleans 28, St. Louis 25
Bulger 358
Stecker 106
Bruce 134

Baltimore 23, Cincinnati 9
Palmer 316
Lewis 186
Houshmandzadeh 116

Atlanta 6, Arizona 3
McCown 198
Dunn 117
Williams 90

Houston 24, Kansas City 21
Carr 233
Holmes 134
Gonzalez 106

Jacksonville 15, Tennessee 12
McNair 143
Brown 101
Smith 58

Philadelphia 30, Detroit 13
McNabb 356
Westbrook 44
Williams 135

Denver 23, San Diego 13
Plummer 294
Tomlinson 60
Smith 75

Indianapolis 45, Green Bay 31
Manning 393
Green 67
Walker 200

Seattle 34, San Francisco 0
Hasselbeck 254
Alexander 52
Jackson 97

Oakland 30, Tampa Bay 20
Johnson 309
Wheatley 102
Schroeder 126

Pittsburgh 13, Miami 3
Roethlisberger 163
Staley 101
Ward 96

Mon, Sep 27 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Dallas 21, Washington 18
Brunell 325
Portis 94
Gardner 167

Week 4
Sun, Oct 3 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Indianapolis 24, Jacksonville 17
Leftwich 318
James 83
Stokley 97

Pittsburgh 28, Cincinnati 17
Roethlisberger 174
Staley
Johnson 123
Burress 69

NY Giants 14, Green Bay 7
Warner 187
Barber 182
Shockey 74

Cleveland 17, Washington 13
Garcia 195
Suggs 82
Coles 122

Houston 30, Oakland 17
Collins 237
Zereoue 117
Johnson 115

New England 31, Buffalo 17
Brady 298
Henry 98
Moulds 126

Philadelphia 19, Chicago 9
McNabb 237
Westbrook 119
Terrell 116

Atlanta 27, Carolina 10
Delhomme 308
Dunn 76
Muhammad 114

Arizona 34, New Orleans 10
Brooks 242
Smith 127
Stecker 71

NY Jets 17, Miami 9
Fiedler 206
Martin 110
Gilmore 57

Denver 16, Tampa Bay 13
Johnson 162
Pittman 72
Clayton 91

San Diego 38, Tennessee 17
Volek 279
Tomlinson 147
Caldwell 110

St. Louis 24, San Francisco 14
Rattay 299
Faulk 121
Johnson 113

Mon, Oct 4 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Kansas City 27, Baltimore 24
Green 223
Holmes 125
Hymes 68

Week 5
Sun, Oct 10 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Pittsburgh 34, Cleveland 23
Roethlisberger 231
Staley 117
Burress 136

New England 24, Miami 10
Fiedler 251
Dillon 94
Booker 123

Detroit 17, Atlanta 10
Vick 196
Pinner 68
Price 84

Tampa Bay 20, New Orleans 17
Griese 194
McAllister 102
Lee 76

Minnesota 34, Houston 28
Culpepper 396
Moore 92
Johnson 170

NY Giants 26, Dallas 10
Warner 217
Barber 122
Barber 76

Indianapolis 35, Oakland 14
Collins 245
James 136
Curry 72

NY Jets 16, Buffalo 14
Pennington 304
Martin 77
Chrebet 90

San Diego 34, Jacksonville 21
Leftwich 357
Chatman 103
Smith 113

St. Louis 33, Seattle 27
Bulger 325
Alexander 150
Jackson 91

San Francisco 31, Arizona 28
Rattay 417
Smith 63
Johnson 162

Denver 20, Carolina 17
Plummer 226
Droughns 193
Colbert 115

Baltimore 17, Washington 10
Brunell 83
Lewis 116
Hymes 34

Mon, Oct 11 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Tennessee 48, Green Bay 27
Favre 338
Brown 148
Walker 159

Week 6
Sun, Oct 17 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Houston 20, Tennessee 10
Carr 266
Wells 73
Gaffney 85

Green Bay 38, Detroit 10
Favre 257
Green 81
Driver 110

Cleveland 34, Cincinnati 17
Garcia 310
Green 115
Suggs 100

Atlanta 21, San Diego 20
Brees 227
Tomlinson 64
Gates 80

Washington 13, Chicago 10
Brunell 95
Portis 171
Coles 52

Buffalo 20, Miami 13
Bledsoe 212
McGahee 111
Moulds 99

Jacksonville 22, Kansas City 16
Green 315
Holmes 75
Morton 111

New England 30, Seattle 20
Hasselbeck 349
Dillon 105
Robinson 150

Philadelphia 30, Carolina 8
McNabb 209
Davis 66
Owens 123

NY Jets 22, San Francisco 14
Rattay 286
Martin 111
Lloyd 93

Pittsburgh 24, Dallas 20
Testaverde 284
Staley 93
Glenn 140

Denver 31, Oakland 3
Plummer 190
Droughns 176
Putzier 52

Minnesota 38, New Orleans 31
Culpepper 425
Moore 109
Burleson 134

Mon, Oct 18 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
St. Louis 28, Tampa Bay 21
Griese 286
Jackson 48
Clayton 142

Week 7
Sun, Oct 24 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Miami 31, St. Louis 14
Bulger 295
Morris 83
Chambers 128

Minnesota 20, Tennessee 3
Volek 190
Moore 138
Mason 85

Detroit 28, NY Giants 13
Warner 270
Barber 70
Barber 102

San Diego 17, Carolina 6
Brees 196
Hoover 99
Colbert 71

Baltimore 20, Buffalo 6
Bledsoe 203
Taylor 89
Moulds 96

Tampa Bay 19, Chicago 7
Griese 163
Pittman 109
Clayton 62

Jacksonville 27, Indianapolis 24
Manning 368
Taylor 107
Smith 113

Kansas City 56, Atlanta 10
Green 269
Holmes 139
Dunn 72

Philadelphia 34, Cleveland 31
McNabb 376
Suggs 78
Owens 109

New England 13, NY Jets 7
Brady 230
Dillon 115
Givens 107

New Orleans 31, Oakland 26
Collins 350
Zereoue 70
Horn 123

Arizona 25, Seattle 17
McCown 212
Smith 106
Jackson 109

Green Bay 41, Dallas 20
Testaverde 308
Green 163
Walker 129

Mon, Oct 25 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Cincinnati 23, Denver 10
Plummer 221
Johnson 119
Johnson 149

Week 8
Sun, Oct 31 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Dallas 31, Detroit 21
Harrington 255
George 99
Hakim 90

Buffalo 38, Arizona 14
McCown 101
McGahee 102
Boldin 50

Houston 20, Jacksonville 6
Carr 276
Davis 56
Smith 117

Kansas City 45, Indianapolis 35
Manning 472
Holmes 143
Gonzalez 125

Tennessee 27, Cincinnati 20
Palmer 247
Brown 147
Mason 85

Green Bay 28, Washington 14
Favre 289
Green
Portis 70
Coles 84

NY Giants 34, Minnesota 13
Culpepper 231
Barber 101
Robinson 91

Philadelphia 15, Baltimore 10
Boller 223
Taylor 78
Owens 101

Seattle 23, Carolina 17
Delhomme 248
Alexander 195
Muhammad 106

Atlanta 41, Denver 28
Plummer 499
Vick 115
Smith 208

Pittsburgh 34, New England 20
Brady 271
Staley 125
Givens 101

San Diego 42, Oakland 14
Brees 281
Tomlinson 71
Parker 91

Chicago 23, San Francisco 13
Krenzel 168
Thomas 98
Lloyd 63

Mon, Nov 1 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
NY Jets 41, Miami 14
Fiedler 218
Martin
Jordan 115
McMichael 87

Week 9
Sun, Nov 7 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Arizona 24, Miami 23
McCown 162
Minor 90
Chambers 104

Pittsburgh 27, Philadelphia 3
Roethlisberger 183
Bettis 149
Burress 70

Tampa Bay 34, Kansas City 31
Green 369
Pittman 128
Gonzalez 123

Oakland 27, Carolina 24
Delhomme 299
Wheatley 54
Muhammad 94

Cincinnati 26, Dallas 3
Palmer 212
Johnson 95
Witten 97

Buffalo 22, NY Jets 17
Bledsoe 184
McGahee 132
Moss 157

Washington 17, Detroit 10
Harrington 269
Portis 147
Hakim 120

San Diego 43, New Orleans 17
Brees 257
McAllister 63
McCardell 89

Seattle 42, San Francisco 27
Hasselbeck 285
Alexander 160
Jackson 114

Chicago 28, NY Giants 21
Warner 195
Thomas 110
Terrell 70

New England 40, St. Louis 22
Bulger 285
Dillon 112
Holt 111

Denver 31, Houston 13
Carr 245
Droughns 120
Gaffney 86

Baltimore 27, Cleveland 13
Garcia 146
Lewis 81
Taylor 58

Mon, Nov 8 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Indianapolis 31, Minnesota 28
Manning 268
James 123
Harrison 81

Week 10
Sun, Nov 14 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Chicago 19, Tennessee 17
Volek 334
Thomas 72
Bennett 148

Indianapolis 49, Houston 14
Manning 320
Davis 98
Stokley 132

Pittsburgh 24, Cleveland 10
Roethlisberger 134
Bettis 103
Northcutt 69

Atlanta 24, Tampa Bay 14
Griese 174
Dunn 76
Crumpler 118

Jacksonville 23, Detroit 17
Garrard 198
Taylor 144
Smith 109

St. Louis 23, Seattle 12
Bulger 262
Alexander 176
Bruce 104

New Orleans 27, Kansas City 20
Green 311
Blaylock 186
Horn 167

Baltimore 20, NY Jets 17
Boller 213
Martin 119
Moss 75

Cincinnati 17, Washington 10
Palmer 217
Johnson 102
Johnson 89

Carolina 37, San Francisco 27
Delhomme 303
Barlow 47
Muhammad 123

Arizona 17, NY Giants 14
Warner 193
Barber 108
Toomer 100

Green Bay 34, Minnesota 31
Culpepper 363
Green 145
Burleson 141

New England 29, Buffalo 6
Brady 233
Dillon 151
Givens 66

Mon, Nov 15 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Philadelphia 49, Dallas 21
McNabb 345
Levens 73
Owens 134

Week 11
Sun, Nov 21 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
NY Jets 10, Cleveland 7
Carter 116
Martin 88
McCareins 71

Pittsburgh 19, Cincinnati 14
Palmer 165
Bettis 129
Johnson 80

Buffalo 37, St. Louis 17
Bulger 287
McGahee 100
Holt 90

Indianapolis 41, Chicago 10
Manning 211
James 204
Wayne 106

Minnesota 22, Detroit 19
Culpepper 233
Jones 100
Campbell 61

Denver 34, New Orleans 13
Brooks 377
Droughns 166
Stallworth 122

Tampa Bay 35, San Francisco 3
Griese 210
Pittman 106
Jurevicius 82

Tennessee 18, Jacksonville 15
McNair 209
Taylor 103
Bennett 64

Baltimore 30, Dallas 10
Boller 232
Jones 81
Taylor 68

Carolina 35, Arizona 10
King 343
Goings 121
Muhammad 118

Seattle 24, Miami 17
Feeley 229
Alexander 96
Chambers 103

San Diego 23, Oakland 17
Collins 227
Tomlinson 164
Gates 101

Atlanta 14, NY Giants 10
Manning 162
Barber 107
Crumpler 47

Philadelphia 28, Washington 6
McNabb 222
Westbrook 63
Pinkston 106

Green Bay 16, Houston 13
Favre 383
Davis 65
Driver 148

Mon, Nov 22 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
New England 27, Kansas City 19
Green 381
Dillon 98
Morton 107

Week 12
Thu, Nov 25 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Indianapolis 41, Detroit 9
Manning 236
James 105
Harrison 127

Dallas 21, Chicago 7
Testaverde 92
Jones 150
Johnson 58

Sun, Nov 28 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Houston 31, Tennessee 21
McNair 227
Davis 129
Mason 87

Cincinnati 58, Cleveland 48
Holcomb 413
Johnson 202
Bryant 131

San Diego 34, Kansas City 31
Brees 378
Parker 58
Gonzalez 105

Philadelphia 27, NY Giants 6
McNabb 244
Barber 110
Taylor 102

Minnesota 27, Jacksonville 16
Culpepper
Leftwich 235
Taylor 147
Smith 68

Pittsburgh 16, Washington 7
Ramsey 138
Bettis 100
Coles 55

Carolina 21, Tampa Bay 14
Griese 347
Goings 106
Pittman 134

Atlanta 24, New Orleans 21
Vick 212
McAllister 100
Crumpler 103

Buffalo 38, Seattle 9
Bledsoe 275
McGahee 116
Moulds 93

Miami 24, San Francisco 17
Rattay 181
Minor 47
Chambers 64

New England 24, Baltimore 3
Brady 172
Dillon 123
Branch 51

NY Jets 13, Arizona 3
Carter 133
Martin 99
Moss 109

Oakland 25, Denver 24
Collins 339
Droughns 102
Porter 135

Mon, Nov 29 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Green Bay 45, St. Louis 17
Bulger 448
Davenport 178
Bruce 170

Week 13
Sun, Dec 5 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Detroit 26, Arizona 12
Harrington 196
Jones 196
Williams 76

Indianapolis 51, Tennessee 24
Manning 425
James 105
Stokley 153

New England 42, Cleveland 15
McCown 277
Dillon 100
Bryant 115

Chicago 24, Minnesota 14
Culpepper 279
Smith 79
Robinson 90

NY Jets 29, Houston 7
Carr 157
Martin 134
Johnson 125

Carolina 32, New Orleans 21
Delhomme 294
Goings 122
Muhammad 179

St. Louis 16, San Francisco 6
Chandler 216
Jackson 119
Holt 160

Buffalo 42, Miami 32
Feeley 303
McGahee 91
Evans 110

Tampa Bay 27, Atlanta 0
Griese 131
Vick 81
Galloway 63

Cincinnati 27, Baltimore 26
Palmer 382
Taylor 139
Houshmandzadeh 171

San Diego 20, Denver 17
Plummer 278
Tomlinson 113
Lelie 105

Kansas City 34, Oakland 27
Collins 343
Johnson 118
Kennison 149

Washington 31, NY Giants 7
Ramsey 174
Portis 148
Coles 60

Philadelphia 47, Green Bay 17
McNabb 464
Levens 63
Owens 161

Pittsburgh 17, Jacksonville 16
Leftwich 268
Taylor 76
Edwards 90

Mon, Dec 6 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Dallas 43, Seattle 39
Hasselbeck 414
Jones 198
Rice 145

Week 14
Sun, Dec 12 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Jacksonville 22, Chicago 3
Leftwich 242
Taylor 79
Smith 85

Atlanta 35, Oakland 10
Collins 166
Dunn 103
Stone 62

New England 35, Cincinnati 28
Brady 260
Johnson 89
Houshmandzadeh 145

Seattle 27, Minnesota 23
Hasselbeck 334
Alexander 112
Jackson 135

Baltimore 37, NY Giants 14
Boller 219
Taylor 104
Shockey 83

Buffalo 37, Cleveland 7
Bledsoe 100
McGahee 105
Moulds 38

Indianapolis 23, Houston 14
Manning 298
Davis 128
Wayne 96

New Orleans 27, Dallas 13
Brooks 252
Jones 88
Stallworth 113

Denver 20, Miami 17
Plummer 219
Bell 123
Smith 97

Pittsburgh 17, NY Jets 6
Pennington 189
Martin 72
McCareins 78

San Diego 31, Tampa Bay 24
Griese 392
Tomlinson 131
Clayton 145

Carolina 20, St. Louis 7
Chandler 246
Goings 108
Holt 151

San Francisco 31, Arizona 28
McCown 307
Hicks 139
Boldin 109

Green Bay 16, Detroit 13
Favre 188
Jones 156
Driver 87

Philadelphia 17, Washington 14
McNabb 260
Portis 80
Coles 100

Mon, Dec 13 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Kansas City 49, Tennessee 38
Volek 426
Johnson 104
Bennett 233

Week 15
Sat, Dec 18 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Pittsburgh 33, NY Giants 30
Roethlisberger 316
Bettis 140
Randle El 149

Washington 26, San Francisco 16
Ramsey 214
Portis 110
Gardner 111

Atlanta 34, Carolina 31
Delhomme 340
Dunn 134
Muhammad 135

Sun, Dec 19 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Houston 24, Chicago 5
Carr 220
Davis 95
Gaffney 109

Buffalo 33, Cincinnati 17
Bledsoe 183
Johnson 130
Evans 101

Minnesota 28, Detroit 27
Culpepper 404
Jones 79
Burleson 134

San Diego 21, Cleveland 0
McCown 108
Tomlinson 111
Gates 72

Kansas City 45, Denver 17
Plummer 292
Johnson 151
Kennison 101

Philadelphia 12, Dallas 7
McNabb 223
Jones 80
Westbrook 78

NY Jets 37, Seattle 14
Pennington 253
Martin 134
Sowell 83

Arizona 31, St. Louis 7
McCown 287
Smith 71
Holt 95

New Orleans 21, Tampa Bay 17
Brooks 169
Pittman 131
Horn 64

Oakland 40, Tennessee 35
Volek 492
Smith 45
Bennett 160

Jacksonville 28, Green Bay 25
Favre 367
Taylor 165
Walker 152

Indianapolis 20, Baltimore 10
Manning 249
Lewis 130
Wayne 88

Mon, Dec 20 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Miami 29, New England 28
Feeley 198
Dillon 121
Morris 46

Week 16
Fri, Dec 24 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Green Bay 34, Minnesota 31
Favre 365
Bennett 92
Driver 162

Sat, Dec 25 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Kansas City 31, Oakland 30
Green 358
Johnson 79
Gonzalez 124

Denver 37, Tennessee 16
Plummer 303
Droughns 91
Lelie 88

Sun, Dec 26 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
Indianapolis 34, San Diego 31
Manning 383
James 86
Stokley 123

Cincinnati 23, NY Giants 22
Manning 201
Barber 109
Houshmandzadeh
Shockey 64

Detroit 19, Chicago 13
Harrington 166
Jones 123
Swinton 42

New Orleans 26, Atlanta 13
Brooks 227
McAllister 128
Dunn 87

Houston 21, Jacksonville 0
Carr 131
Davis 158
Johnson 46

Pittsburgh 20, Baltimore 7
Roethlisberger 221
Bettis 117
Burress 97

Buffalo 41, San Francisco 7
Bledsoe 172
McGahee 102
Evans 92

New England 23, NY Jets 7
Brady 264
Dillon 89
Branch 82

Seattle 24, Arizona 21
McCown 248
Alexander 154
Boldin 107

Carolina 37, Tampa Bay 20
Griese 321
Goings 127
Muhammad 115

Dallas 13, Washington 10
Testaverde 234
Jones 57
Johnson 84

Miami 10, Cleveland 7
Feeley 176
Suggs 143
Northcutt 114

Mon, Dec 27 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
St. Louis 20, Philadelphia 7
Bulger 225
Jackson 148
Bruce 98

Week 17
Sun, Jan 2 HI PASSING HI RUSHING HI RECEIVING
St. Louis 32, NY Jets 29
Bulger 450
Martin 153
Holt 116

New England 21, San Francisco 7
Brady 226
Dillon 116
Woods 76

Cincinnati 38, Philadelphia 10
Detmer 202
Johnson 99
Mitchell 76

Washington 21, Minnesota 18
Culpepper 299
Betts 118
Thrash 81

New Orleans 21, Carolina 18
Delhomme 307
McAllister 140
Muhammad 95

Baltimore 30, Miami 23
Rosenfels 264
Lewis 167
Chambers 146

Pittsburgh 29, Buffalo 24
Bledsoe 189
Parker 102
Randle El 81

Green Bay 31, Chicago 14
Favre
Hutchinson 196
Jones 108
Terrell 99

Cleveland 22, Houston 14
Holcomb 228
Suggs 131
Bryant 87

Tennessee 24, Detroit 19
Harrington 346
Smith 89
Troupe 75

Seattle 28, Atlanta 26
Hasselbeck 191
Dunn 132
Engram 79

Arizona 12, Tampa Bay 7
Simms 224
Smith 69
Clayton 86

San Diego 24, Kansas City 17
Green 373
Turner 87
Gonzalez 144

Jacksonville 13, Oakland 6
Leftwich 149
Crockett 134
Wilford 56

Denver 33, Indianapolis 14
Plummer 246
Bell 91
Wayne 90

NY Giants 28, Dallas 24
Testaverde 231
Jones 149
Witten

The East Inja Company

21-08-2005, 14:33

Er, there are ties in Football, too. They don't happen very often at all, but they're there.

You missed the point I think.

The East Inja Company

21-08-2005, 14:33

Rule change in American Football--unless the TIE is caused by an ACT OF GOD ie weather, fire the stadium, war(I know war is not an actof god but a function of his servants), you should not see another tie.

Acts of God can't occur, as there is no god. Give me rugby anyday btw.

Copiosa Scotia

21-08-2005, 19:23

Will you ever use it's official name? It's football. Not soccer.

We've already got a football, thanks, and it's a lot more convenient for us to use the terms soccer and football than association football and American football.

Acts of God can't occur, as there is no god.

I'd say that's a little beyond the scope of this discussion.

Avika

21-08-2005, 20:05

Who cares who calls what what? Americans like the complexity of this argument to remain in the game of football and not with the names and whatnot. Do other nations have a different word for American football like how America calls international football soccer or do you just tack on American to it and call it a day?

Aust

21-08-2005, 21:14

we just call it American Football, i think somepeople call it Gridiron, i don't mysewlf.

Saxnot

21-08-2005, 21:18

or do you just tack on American to it and call it a day?
yeah, pretty much.

Bedou

21-08-2005, 21:26

Acts of God can't occur, as there is no god. Give me rugby anyday btw.

Act of God is still a perfectly LEGAL term used in binding contractual obligations,in sport for one and in the Insurance industry for another.

Your statement is a petty piece of bait because you are incapable of placing a reasonable arguement against my logical conclusion that one-a tie every thirty years is not the same as fans HOPING for a tie like in Football(soccer).

Along with my other point that plain and simple European sport has its flaws as does American sport but the fact remains that all of the competitors are stunning atheletes.

Your rude inference through syntax and pathetic foundations for your thesis leave any real debate or conversation with you wanting.

Bedou

21-08-2005, 21:29

"Rule change in American Football--unless the TIE is caused by an ACT OF GOD ie weather, fire the stadium, war(I know war is not an actof god but a function of his servants), you should not see another tie."
It would do you well to note that I edited this out of my post with in the minute because it was technically incorrect--and posted the actual rule the NFL uses regarding ties--and in College football there are NO ties.

So the poster who said there did indeed speak incorrectly as they spoke unspecifically.

Copiosa Scotia

21-08-2005, 22:50

we just call it American Football, i think somepeople call it Gridiron, i don't mysewlf.

I believe the term gridiron is common in Australia, where they have both soccer and their own indigenous brand of football. Aussie rules football is another fun sport to watch, incidentally.

Luporum

21-08-2005, 22:59

Aust

22-08-2005, 09:23

I believe the term gridiron is common in Australia, where they have both soccer and their own indigenous brand of football. Aussie rules football is another fun sport to watch, incidentally.
I know,. as is Galic football.

As nfor the last comment about it not being more complex, I balive that all major sports are very complex, Football theres the tacktical element, do you play the long ball game, adapting to styles, like a gient game of chess (This is english football) you use diffrent stratagies to bet diffent players.

Rugby you've got the plays, the styles (Forwards or Backs game, Rucking or MAuling, how do you play your kicking game) the calls (EG. Rhino ball, flanker crashes round rucks side) and much more, it's incredably complew and to understand it all you have to be intellagent and able to adapt.

I don't know much about American football so i can't say anything about it.

Anser

22-08-2005, 09:52

Don't even tell me soccer is more complex because I could show you my 100 page play book for defense and run a little Double Under G Split Arrow Cover 9 up your ass. All of that is communicated to the middle linebacker through hand signals and then that may even be checked according to a hundred different scenarios that may occur depending on what the offense shows.

If complexity = a good sport. Then surely cricket trumps American Football every time? :D

Aust

22-08-2005, 10:39

If complexity = a good sport. Then surely cricket trumps American Football every time? :D
:D Cricket isn't that complicated as long as you've grown up playing it...actually I take that back.

SimNewtonia

22-08-2005, 11:33

I love "American" football because people of ALL sizes play on the same field. Don't even tell me soccer is more complex because I could show you my 100 page play book for defense and run a little Double Under G Split Arrow Cover 9 up your ass. All of that is communicated to the middle linebacker through hand signals and then that may even be checked according to a hundred different scenarios that may occur depending on what the offense shows.

Football is Power, Agility, and Intellegence all in on one field.

I like soccer, but there's just not enough violence in it. Except of course for the fans :D

So true!!!

Gridiron tends to lack the spontaneity (sp?) of most other sport. It still exists, of course, but it's nowhere near as prevalent as in Union, AFL (otherwise known as Aussie Rules) or, indeed, League. Most of the sports we play over here move pretty quick, and you have to have sustained speed. AFL is broken into four quarters, but that has more to do with the fact that's it's full on all the time (it's not uncommon for the ball to be down one end of the field and then down the other within a matter of seconds in AFL).

AFL scores can be very high. Scores of 150 aren't unheard of.

Aust

22-08-2005, 15:00

What are the actual rules of Aussie rules, I watch it alot on sky but i don't understand it.

Kragmeer

22-08-2005, 15:12

I dont get the whole American dislike of Footballs low scores...In a game where the scores are around the 100 mark, any goal (or point or whatever) scored tends to be whamn bam done and all over in a matter of seconds. In football, you remember the goals, and everything builds up to scoring.

Also, how can nearly every country in the world (Bar the US and Australia being the biggest two) possibly be wrong about what the best sport in the world is?

Kragmeer

22-08-2005, 15:13

What are the actual rules of Aussie rules, I watch it alot on sky but i don't understand it.

I've seen it once or twice on Sky, couldnt make sense of it but it looked kinda strange and unusual and entertaining

Larssons

22-08-2005, 15:44

Play Hockey and tell me its slow

Collumland

22-08-2005, 15:56

Play Hockey and tell me its slow

Or for that matter, picture someone slugging a double down the line with runners on first and second, and then tell the catcher, as the runner is about to barrell into him while trying to recieve a throw from the cut-off man, that it isn't going fast. Sure, it's alot of stop and go, but there are so many little adjustments and strategies implemented between plays its hard to be bored. That is, if you know what's going on.......

Potaria

22-08-2005, 16:01

Or for that matter, picture someone slugging a double down the line with runners on first and second, and then tell the catcher, as the runner is about to barrell into him while trying to recieve a throw from the cut-off man, that it isn't going fast. Sure, it's alot of stop and go, but there are so many little adjustments and strategies implemented between plays its hard to be bored. That is, if you know what's going on.......

And, actually hitting the ball is very difficult, depending on the pitcher.

Collumland

22-08-2005, 16:09

And, actually hitting the ball is very difficult, depending on the pitcher.

For major league players, an 88 mph fastball is slow. But its not all speed. Breaking balls(ie curve, slider, sinker, etc..) can be much more difficult to hit, even as low as 65 mph.

Remember Mo Vaughn? He played for the Red Sox in the 90's(Won the MVP award in, hmmmmm.....I can't remember. Sometime in the 90's).

That guy couldn't hit a curveball to save his life. But I mean a good one, not one that's left up belt-high in the strike zone.

Potaria

22-08-2005, 16:19

For major league players, an 88 mph fastball is slow. But its not all speed. Breaking balls(ie curve, slider, sinker, etc..) can be much more difficult to hit, even as low as 65 mph.

Remember Mo Vaughn? He played for the Red Sox in the 90's(Won the MVP award in, hmmmmm.....I can't remember. Sometime in the 90's).

That guy couldn't hit a curveball to save his life. But I mean a good one, not one that's left up belt-high in the strike zone.

I remember him. But, you know who could hit a curveball?

Tony Gwinn.

Sonaj

22-08-2005, 16:23

Also, how can nearly every country in the world (Bar the US and Australia being the biggest two) possibly be wrong about what the best sport in the world is?
Yeah, I´ve always found that funny. The biggest sport in the world isn´t played very much in what calls itself the 'greatest country' in the world. Instead, they play three pretty small sports on a world-scale (baseball, basketball and am. football) and, ok, one of the biggest (hockey). The biggest sport is instead generally reserved for kids and such. Something that got very obvious when a friend of my brother went to the US for a year at college and joined the football (I refuse to call it the american name) team and was more skilled than anyone else there.
And also, many americans seem to think that football is slow, but that´s a part of the charm, the players have to be immensely fit to endure running for 2x45 mins. (not all do, but take a look at zambrotta, for example). Tactics in football are pretty advanced, many of the famous players (again, zambrotta) are very fast and others have extreme technique (ronaldinho and others (http://www.snabbstart.com/film/the-ultimate-football-video.aspx)). Now, I´m not saying that practitioners of am. football, baseball, hockey and basketball aren´t skilled or such, but some of these guys are just incredible, and I havn´t seen such skill in players of any other sport.

Aust

22-08-2005, 16:24

88mph is pritty quick, from cricketing experience. with the bowling machine I can get up[ to 50mph, at most before I can't hit it.

Collumland

22-08-2005, 16:33

88mph is pritty quick, from cricketing experience. with the bowling machine I can get up[ to 50mph, at most before I can't hit it.

Agreed. But I was refering to Major Leaguers. If a pitcher's top speed for his fastball is only 88mph, then his top pitch it probably isn't. The hardest throwers hit 95 mph easily and consistently, and some more than that.

Collumland

22-08-2005, 16:49

I think the main reason soccer(or futebol, or football, whatever) hasn't stolen the hearts of American sports fans is because it hasn't been given enough time to do it. I don't think it will replace the sports we currently enjoy, but I think it will gain a larger slice of attention in the years to come.

Baseball, which was rumored to have been invented in the late 1800's(open for debate), didn't gain wide notorieity until the 1930's and 40's. Same with football. It's been around since I believe the 1920's, but the first Super Bowl wasn't until the 1950's.

So give it time. If the sports worthy, it will gain the attention......

Potaria

22-08-2005, 16:51

some of these guys are just incredible, and I havn´t seen such skill in players of any other sport.

Do a google search for John Elway.

Collumland

22-08-2005, 16:57

Now, I´m not saying that practitioners of am. football, baseball, hockey and basketball aren´t skilled or such, but some of these guys are just incredible, and I havn´t seen such skill in players of any other sport.

Methinks its because you don't watch enough American sports, which is comparable to my experience with futebol.

I can't think of any impressive soccer players off the top of my head. But I could rattle off dozens of American athletes, and name something remarkable they've done. It's all relative......

Syniks

22-08-2005, 17:02

RE: NASCAR...

My arse. They seem to throw out a yellow everytime a driver farts. How is that 'free flowing'?

And it's boring, too.

But it IS one of the few spectator sports where the Spectators can get killed... (*edit - without a hooligan-riot*)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/sns-ap-raceway-deaths,1,5605337.story

Two Dead, Six Hurt at Illinois Raceway

By Associated Press
Published August 22, 2005, 5:00 AM CDT

MOUNT VERNON, Ill. -- John Marks saw the race car drive off the dirt track and come flying into the bleachers, but he didn't have time to react.

A man and his daughter's boyfriend were killed when the race car flew into the stands at Mount Vernon Raceway in southern Illinois. Six others were injured, including the driver and Marks. Marks was taken to an area hospital and released.

"It happened so fast that I really can't remember anything," said Marks, 67, whose leg was pinned between the car's tire and the bleachers.

Witnesses said the car crushed spectators against the bleachers. A few people were trapped beneath the car. :eek:

I don't even think people get killed in the Monte Carlo....

Aust

22-08-2005, 19:18

Methinks its because you don't watch enough American sports, which is comparable to my experience with futebol.

I can't think of any impressive soccer players off the top of my head. But I could rattle off dozens of American athletes, and name something remarkable they've done. It's all relative......
And I could rattle off a load of football players: Pele, Mardonna, Gazza, Rooney, Morientes, Gerrard, Lampard, Batastuta, Clough, Psycho, and many more.

I can do it for rugby as well: Willie John Mucbride, Johnno, Backy, Carling, Guscott, Edwards, and many more

And for Circket, Botham, Boycott, Warne, verity...

Kragmeer

22-08-2005, 19:46

Methinks its because you don't watch enough American sports, which is comparable to my experience with futebol.

I can't think of any impressive soccer players off the top of my head. But I could rattle off dozens of American athletes, and name something remarkable they've done. It's all relative......

To be fair, the only American sportsmen I can name are Michael Jordan(from the Looney Toons movie or something), a couple of sprinters and some NASCAR/ Indy Car drivers(And motorsport isn't American).

I can name many footballers and name things they've done, infact, if you take 1 person from every nation on the board, there is a fair chance nearly everyone will be the same. US sports are only really big in America (also bugs me why they're called World Championship/League/Series)

Bonferoni

22-08-2005, 19:57

Oh, I see you've been following the Detroit Lions.

Or the Cincinnati Bengals:p

seriously--soccer won't take a strong foothold until an American team wins world cups...if we can't win at it, we can't take pride in it:D

Secret aj man

22-08-2005, 19:57

I like soccer a lot... its the only sport where I can sit down in front of the TV, watch it from end to end and not lose interest or fall asleep. And thats even though I love the statistical and historical aspect of baseball and like football a good deal in small doses.

Hockey would be a great sport if they doubled the size of the rink. As it is there seems to be no speed in it, just a bunch of guys in padding pressing other guys against the wall with their sticks. Basketball scores are so high that you can't get excited about someone making a basket. The original height of the basket was probably set so that it would be so much higher that the tallest player. The guy who designed it didn't think that guys who were 7'+ would be putting the ball in the basket. Make the baskets 50 feet high! Make the final scores something like 8-4! Now theres a sport!

But back to soccer, I dunno if my opinion on soccer counts. I'm an imported Brit.

They've been saying soccer is gonna take over since the 70's and since then we've had 2 major work stoppages in baseball, a football (American) strike, and over a year without hockey and still no-one here could give a shit less about the MLS or the World Cup, unless they come from a soccer playing country. Its a damn shame cuz I'd like to see more MLS and international matches on the TV. It doesn't help the popularity of the sport here that the last World Cup games were mostly played at 2-4 am US time. When will they be played this coming time? Like 1-4 pm EST or so while everyone is at work? Not that that's anyones fault of course, just a statement of fact.

i am an american football fan above all other sports.i do not think it is as boring as chess,there is action all over the field on every play if you really watch the game.

as far as soccer in america,the kids all play because the parents dont want the kids getting hurt like in football.my son broke his arm 2 years in a row in peewee football,but he loves it so he can play as much as he wants.
i may be wrong,but i think the problem with soccer in the states is,the complete lack of scoring.americans,for whatever reason,enjoy scoring,hockey has tried to move towards more scoring for that reason,trying to rid all the clutching and holding from the game.
i am also a big hockey fan,but i would also like to see less holding and more scoring.
the flip side is basketball,which is in my opinion ridiculously boring due to all the scoring.basically,all you need to do is watch the last 5 minutes.
baseball,it's boring to a point as well,but i grew up playing ,so i love it and understand the game,and they also are moving towards more scoring.

Anser

02-09-2005, 09:31

but i think the problem with soccer in the states is,the complete lack of scoring.americans,for whatever reason,enjoy scoring

well, for those with childishly short attention spans maybe.....

Bedou

03-09-2005, 14:07

i am an american football fan above all other sports.i do not think it is as boring as chess,there is action all over the field on every play if you really watch the game.

Chess is only boring if dont understand it.

,but i think the problem with soccer in the states is,the complete lack of scoring.americans,for whatever reason,enjoy scoring,hockey has tried to move towards more scoring for that reason,trying to rid all the clutching and holding from the game.

They are totally ruining the game by catering to the slack-jawwed masses who wish to see high scores atthe exspense of pure Hockey--the rule changes are motivated by dollar signs--UK professional sports occasionally suffer the same injustices.
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The fact is we continue to allow Marketing Executives to tell us we have short attention spans and treat as such so everything we intake can be sent via a thirty second blurb, Baseball--is a true American Sport--no time limit--you play until the END--it can take one hour or four--only based on the skill of the given competitors on that given day decides how long--that or Rain.

Me I dont watch baseball because, well, not enough contact--I am one of the many lowest common denominators out there who like my competitions with a healthy dose of violence.

European sports are just as Good as American and of course vice versa--simply we are each unfamiliar with the respective sports.

This is why I find it asinine that anyone tries to claim one is better--for instance the dumbass who compares American(Gridiron) Football against Association Football--the only thing they have in common is the word Football--the fields are different sizes, the scoring is different, rules of contact are different,the balls are not shaped the same, the number of men on the field is different, the time played is different, and so forth and so on--I mean please, obviously no one who knows anything about sports in general would bother making such a ridiculous comparison.
It would be like comparing baseball and basketball because they have the word "Ball" in their names.

What needs to be done is people need to fight to keep the corporate influence out of Sport in general--that is what ruins.
American or European no man I have ever met regardless of his prefered Sport can deny the joy of watching a good competition regardless of the field of battle.

The blessed Chris

03-09-2005, 14:13

And I could rattle off a load of football players: Pele, Mardonna, Gazza, Rooney, Morientes, Gerrard, Lampard, Batastuta, Clough, Psycho, and many more.

I can do it for rugby as well: Willie John Mucbride, Johnno, Backy, Carling, Guscott, Edwards, and many more

And for Circket, Botham, Boycott, Warne, verity...

Genius, pure genius, and you missed:

-Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Beckham, Keane and Zidane

-Dallaglio, Wilko, Umaga, Sailor, Henson, o'Driscoll and Robinson

- the Waugh brothers, Bradman etc.

And who the hell plays in american sports who can rival such legends?

Incidentally, its FOOTBALL, F-O-O-T-B-A-L-L

FOOTBALL

not sodding soccer!

Ifreann

03-09-2005, 14:32

.....Galic football.....

its gaelic football,usually just called gaelic.im suprised it isnt more popular in america,as there are loads of irish descended people there.but i guess they've been americanised over the years.as a point of interest New York have a gaelic football team.

hurling is a great sport,fastest ball game in the world it is.it has everything,speed,angry guys with big ash sticks,amazing skill(it's like the sliotar is stuck to the end of their hurley,its just savage)

Luporum

03-09-2005, 14:34

Genius, pure genius, and you missed:

-Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Beckham, Keane and Zidane

-Dallaglio, Wilko, Umaga, Sailor, Henson, o'Driscoll and Robinson

- the Waugh brothers, Bradman etc.

And who the hell plays in american sports who can rival such legends?

Incidentally, its FOOTBALL, F-O-O-T-B-A-L-L

FOOTBALL

not sodding soccer!

You'll know as many of these players as I do of soc...err football players ;)

Dan Marino, Joe Montana, Joe Namath, Johnny Unitis, Steve Young, John Elway, The Steel Curtain, The Soul Patrol, Jim Brown, Bo Jackson, Bart Starr, Brett Farve, John Madden :D, Vince Lombardi, Chuck Noll, Jerry Rice, Lynn Swan, Terry Bradshaw, Dick Butkis, I could go on all day but I think my point has been made.

Ifreann

03-09-2005, 14:41

The Steel Curtain, The Soul Patrol

your players have strange names.

The blessed Chris

03-09-2005, 14:43

your players have strange names.

We do have the baby faced assasin...

Ifreann

03-09-2005, 14:46

We do have the baby faced assasin...

o....k :confused:

and while i'm here linky (http://www.gothenburggaa.se/Hurley%201.JPG)
the sticks be called hurleys and the balls be called sliotars

Sonaj

03-09-2005, 14:49

Genius, pure genius, and you missed:

-Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Beckham, Keane and Zidane

-Dallaglio, Wilko, Umaga, Sailor, Henson, o'Driscoll and Robinson

- the Waugh brothers, Bradman etc.

And who the hell plays in american sports who can rival such legends?

Incidentally, its FOOTBALL, F-O-O-T-B-A-L-L

FOOTBALL

not sodding soccer!

Franz Beckenbauer, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Henrik Larsson, Martin Dahlin, Johan Cruyff, Gianluigi Buffon, John Terry, Alessandro Nesta, Pablo Aimar, Djibril Cissé, Fernando Cavenaghi, Adriano, Freddy Adu, Iker Casillas, Diego, Robinho, George Best, Marco van Basten...

And someone said that americans woudn´t be interested in FOOTBALL until an american team wins all their games and constantly the world cup. Then americans will never be interested in football, there are simply too many nations that continue to have great players. Brazil, England, Germany... The list is too long.

The blessed Chris

03-09-2005, 14:55

Franz Beckenbauer, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Henrik Larsson, Martin Dahlin, Johan Cruyff, Gianluigi Buffon, John Terry, Alessandro Nesta, Pablo Aimar, Djibril Cissé, Fernando Cavenaghi, Adriano, Freddy Adu, Iker Casillas, Diego, Robinho, George Best, Marco van Basten...

And someone said that americans woudn´t be interested in FOOTBALL until an american team wins all their games and constantly the world cup. Then americans will never be interested in football, there are simply too many nations that continue to have great players. Brazil, England, Germany... The list is too long.

Quite true, although I'm not sure Terry should be in that list.....

Luporum

03-09-2005, 15:57

your players have strange names.

Actually the Steel Curtain was a group of interior lineman and linebackers who were probably the best ever. The soul patrol was a group of defensive backs who were the most vicious SoBs to play the game.

The soul patrol: "Old Man" Willie Brown, "the Assassin" Jack Tatum, "the Hitman" George Atkinson, and "Dr. Death" Skip Thomas.

Aust

04-09-2005, 16:45

Quite true, although I'm not sure Terry should be in that list.....
Why not, Terrys qualitys, the best defender in the world at the moment.

Luporum

04-09-2005, 17:03

This is why people watch American football...

Pain (http://media.putfile.com/Hitz55)